Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (13 Viewers)

[SaintsInDome2006]

That has been the biggest factor for Bernie fans, but they are not the majority of Democrats. It is a secondary factor for Trump fans, far behind their twin goals of (a) doing something about illegal immigration (b) sticking it to the GOP. 

Come November, the economy will be the biggest issue, unless there is a foreign catastrophe. 

Whoa on the bolded, disagree. You and I may probably agree on almost everything about how Trump does not correspond with that goal or how the view of him is unrealistic on that point but I think it's very much a factor. It's either that he's magically free of the game or he's such a game player that 'at least out in the open about it' or some such.

But breaking up 'the oligarchy' is very much a factor in the Trumpian rise.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Nothing gets done without first getting money out of politics. Nothing.

This is tea partyish insanity. 

 

[pantagrapher]

This is tea partyish insanity. 

And what does "get money out of politics" mean anyway? Overturning Citizens United doesn't get money out of politics. Really, nothing does, or can, or will. It's a silly goal that looks good on bumper stickers and bolsters the lazy notion that all politicians are corrupt so why even bother.

 

[skol asylum]

This is tea partyish insanity. 

Yeah. No. Not even close to the same thing.

 

[The Commish]

You forgot to add how she was fired from her job as a Watergate lawyer for ethics violations, her unbelievable prowess in making money on cattle futures, and her current interest from the FBI. She did land her plane in a lot of countries as Sec of State for PR purposes though and there was that one time where she had to dodge sniper fire with Sinbad. And she had massive success in resetting our relations with Russia.

She was able to do all those things, get away with them, and STILL win the Presidency.  Damn right she deserves it.  

More like, "Damn right the American people deserve her"

 

[Gopher State]

Can you people tell me what you like about Hillary? Everyone I know, including me, hates her. She's the biggest liar out of all the candidates and generally a despicable person. There's Benghazi and the email scandal. Minorities and women love her but why do you?  is it just because you're democrats and have no choice?

All that being said I'd still vote for her over trump.

Here's why I like Hillary:

does not protect, or has voted to protect gun mfg. She will take charge on gun control

She will actively fight terrorism, some people think other countries should do more, but we are the most powerful country in the world and need to lead the fight.  Other countries don,t want to lead or help.  One American killed by terrorists is one to many.

She is not going to ask me to pay for someone else's college.  I paid for my college if you want your college paid for join the Army not only will you protect your country, you can get your college taken care of.

She will protect social security

She has international foreign experience, she can work on free trade agreements, yes work is needed in this area, but building fences etc is not going to bring jobs back.  I will give her a clean slate to start over in this area as the commander in chief.

I was amazed when the NY daily interviewed sanders and he had no plans for all of his great reform ideas, or he could not explain them at that time.  At least Hillary can present her plans.

 

[timschochet]

Whoa on the boded, disagree. You and I may probably agree on almost everything about how Trump does not correspond with that goal or how the view of him is unrealistic on that point but I think it's very much a factor. It's either that he's magically free of the game or he's such a game player that 'at least out in the open about it' or some such.

But breaking up 'the oligarchy' is very much a factor in the Trumpian rise.

The oligarchy that Trump fans want to break up is within the Republican Party. But do they want to reform Citizens United and remove corporate influences from politics the way that Bernie fans do? Doubtful. 

 

[The Commish]

Here's why I like Hillary:

does not protect, or has voted to protect gun mfg. She will take charge on gun control

She will actively fight terrorism, some people think other countries should do more, but we are the most powerful country in the world and need to lead the fight.  Other countries don,t want to lead or help.  One American killed by terrorists is one to many.

She is not going to ask me to pay for someone else's college.  I paid for my college if you want your college paid for join the Army not only will you protect your country, you can get your college taken care of.

She will protect social security

She has international foreign experience, she can work on free trade agreements, yes work is needed in this area, but building fences etc is not going to bring jobs back.  I will give her a clean slate to start over in this area as the commander in chief.

I was amazed when the NY daily interviewed sanders and he had no plans for all of his great reform ideas, or he could not explain them at that time.  At least Hillary can present her plans.

I can't fault you for not being able to keep up with her positions, but the bold is absolutely 10000000000000000000000% incorrect (as of today 4/20/2016) per her website:

Hillary will:

• Ensure no student has to borrow to pay for tuition, books, or fees to attend a four-year public college in their state.
  
• Enable Americans with existing student loan debt to refinance at current rates.
  
• Hold colleges and universities accountable for controlling costs and making tuition affordable.
  

The funny part is, Bernie stopped at tuition.  Hillary's throwing in books and fees as well, so there's that

 

[TobiasFunke]

Yeah. No. Not even close to the same thing.

Can you explain what you mean by "nothing gets done without first getting money out of politics," then? 

Because frankly it does seem kind of insane to dismiss the ACA (and resulting increase in coverage), the Clean Power Plan, the Paris Agreement, the overhaul of No Child Left Behind, national protection for gay marriage rights, and any number of other things accomplished during the Obama administration as "nothing." Yet they happened while money played a role in politics. Maybe you meant something different and it's getting lost in translation here?

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

??? Everything you just listed was done as President. Hillary hasn't been elected yet. 

you wrote this, correct?:

 1 hour ago, timschochet said:
You're looking for some major accomplishment, but none of our last 3 Presidents (Obama, Bush, Bill Clinton) had one of those either.

 

[CBusAlex]

you wrote this, correct?:

You're looking for some major accomplishment, but none of our last 3 Presidents (Obama, Bush, Bill Clinton) had one of those either.

It was pretty obvious that he meant none of them had a major accomplishment before they were elected, given the context.

 

[lod01]

I can't fault you for not being able to keep up with her positions, but the bold is absolutely 10000000000000000000000% incorrect (as of today 4/20/2016) per her website:

The funny part is, Bernie stopped at tuition.  Hillary's throwing in books and fees as well, so there's that

Actually he's right, in he fact that once she is in, she will forget all about that issue. She's only using that one for votes. Once she has sucked in those people's votes, she will toss them aside like yesterday's garbage.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

It was pretty obvious that he meant none of them had a major accomplishment before they were elected, given the context.

Obama : organized a community

Bush : Welfare, Juvenile Justice, Tort & Education Reform all passed with bi-partisan support (Democratic Lt. Gov endorsed him for reelection)

Clinton : Education, Welfare & Healthcare Reform

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Flip side of that is if Dems had a true generational talent on the ballot the Senate would be a lock to flip and the House would be in serious play as well.  They may still get the Senate if Trump is the nominee, but there's a missed opportunity for the Dems as well IMO.

 

[The Commish]

I can't fault you for not being able to keep up with her positions, but the bold is absolutely 10000000000000000000000% incorrect (as of today 4/20/2016) per her website:

The funny part is, Bernie stopped at tuition.  Hillary's throwing in books and fees as well, so there's that

Actually he's right, in he fact that once she is in, she will forget all about that issue. She's only using that one for votes. Once she has sucked in those people's votes, she will toss them aside like yesterday's garbage.

Perhaps....problem with taking that position, of course, is if this is a genuine response, why does he include it and what makes him think she won't take a similar approach to the other things she listed.  Shocking....we're back to being able to trust what she says.  Fortunately, that's not for me to figure out.  The only thing I am confident she cares about is childhood healthcare and education (and maybe guns).  The rest is  

 

[Don't Noonan]

I think Hillary would be a horrible president,  but I am very happy that Sanders is basically toast now.  He would be a disaster.  Hoping somehow Cruz or Kasich can steal this from Trump and give Hillary a good run in November.

 

[Henry Ford]

Flip side of that is if Dems had a true generational talent on the ballot the Senate would be a lock to flip and the House would be in serious play as well.  They may still get the Senate if Trump is the nominee, but there's a missed opportunity for the Dems as well IMO.

Agreed.  If Warren were running for President, I think we'd see a yuuuuge shakeup.

 

[dfsguy]

I think Hillary would be a horrible president,  but I am very happy that Sanders is basically toast now.  He would be a disaster.  Hoping somehow Cruz or Kasich can steal this from Trump and give Hillary a good run in November.

anyone besides Trump would get murdered by Shillary

 

[tommyGunZ]

Flip side of that is if Dems had a true generational talent on the ballot the Senate would be a lock to flip and the House would be in serious play as well.  They may still get the Senate if Trump is the nominee, but there's a missed opportunity for the Dems as well IMO.

Perhaps. Unfortunately, the Democrats generational talent is termed out in 9 months.  

And even if another Obama was waiting in the wings, we wouldn't be able to "get money out of politics" or make nearly the amount of change that some think Bernie would enact. At the margins, those seats that would flip control of both houses are seats won in red areas, and those democrats aren't in the Sanders wing of the Democratic Party.  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The oligarchy that Trump fans want to break up is within the Republican Party. But do they want to reform Citizens United and remove corporate influences from politics the way that Bernie fans do? Doubtful. 

Then you have no idea what the claim is, the definition of this oligarchy (imagined or real) is that it profits from both sides winning.

 

[The Commish]

The oligarchy that Trump fans want to break up is within the Republican Party. But do they want to reform Citizens United and remove corporate influences from politics the way that Bernie fans do? Doubtful. 

Then you have no idea what the claim is, the definition of this oligarchy (imagined or real) is that it profits from both sides winning.

I'd like a link to Trump's singling out of the GOP as "the problem" as he's framed it above.  While I think he's a blundering idiot, I don't think he's reserving blame for the GOP.  He very clearly seems to be about everyone on Capitol Hill.

 

[AAAll-Stars]

The oligarchy that Trump fans want to break up is within the Republican Party. But do they want to reform Citizens United and remove corporate influences from politics the way that Bernie fans do? Doubtful. 

The Democrats have MORE BILLIONAIRES (example, example) on on their side giving to Democrat causes than the Republicans at this point. And when we say Democrat, we mean a Hillary Clinton Democrat.

And these same Democrats make sure the media is engineered against real liberalism, they make there there is the minimum amount of debates, they turn back their ban on corporate donations when Bernie was pushing forward, they blackball Bernie from the voter registration database, and then they weaponize the superdelegates to crush voter turnout and make sure Bernie never wins.

And Trump has said he is open to campaign finance reform.

 

[AAAll-Stars]

Then you have no idea what the claim is, the definition of this oligarchy (imagined or real) is that it profits from both sides winning.

I would even argue the Oligarchy soft engineers all our social conflicts (transgender people in bathrooms, cops shooting black citizens, gay marriage, abortion, saying merry christmas, etc. etc. etc.) to keep us distracted and divided while they reengineer political borders, trade deals, campaign financing, government control, financial robbery, gun confiscation, warrantless wiretapping, global warfare, and other items to increase their power and control. The media is owned by 6 corporations for pete's sake! And the media pits us against each other while the Oligarchy spreads its power.

Once you see it, it's terrifying to see how entrenched its become. That is why they are fighting Bernie and Trump so hard. They would change that.

 

[skol asylum]

I can't fault you for not being able to keep up with her positions, but the bold is absolutely 10000000000000000000000% incorrect (as of today 4/20/2016) per her website:

The funny part is, Bernie stopped at tuition.  Hillary's throwing in books and fees as well, so there's that

Remember when she ran in 08? She was going to give all babies baby bonds. She is the classic definition of a pander bear.

 

[AAAll-Stars]

Can you explain what you mean by "nothing gets done without first getting money out of politics," then? 

Because frankly it does seem kind of insane to dismiss the ACA (and resulting increase in coverage), the Clean Power Plan, the Paris Agreement, the overhaul of No Child Left Behind, national protection for gay marriage rights, and any number of other things accomplished during the Obama administration as "nothing." Yet they happened while money played a role in politics. Maybe you meant something different and it's getting lost in translation here?

Firstly, Obama shouldn't get credit for what the courts did. I can be open to you saying otherwise, but should Obama get "credit" for Citizens United being ruled in 2010?

The ACA was a great step forward. It should have been obvious that it wasn't the final piece but it proved that people want and do need health care. Universal Health Care is the next step. However considering the costs its putting on the middle class it needs to evolve further or be reformed. Paris Agreement was good, but China/India/Indonesia are still being let off the hook. Right now it just seems like pandering to a base then real reform that can stabilize our global climate threat. As for No Child Left Behind, I haven't done the research but it's common for people to think it needed and overhaul and I'll defer to people like you on this.

 

[skol asylum]

Can you explain what you mean by "nothing gets done without first getting money out of politics," then? 

Because frankly it does seem kind of insane to dismiss the ACA (and resulting increase in coverage), the Clean Power Plan, the Paris Agreement, the overhaul of No Child Left Behind, national protection for gay marriage rights, and any number of other things accomplished during the Obama administration as "nothing." Yet they happened while money played a role in politics. Maybe you meant something different and it's getting lost in translation here?

Ok, so "nothing" isn't the right term. But we have much much bigger fish to fry then the things mentioned above. Our economic situation is a freaking mess. The ACA is unfortunately not the long term answer. We have entrenched interests (via bought off politicians) who are unwilling to make the hard choices we need on tax and spending. We need tax reform. We need a massive overhaul in the Pentagon. We need an energy revolution. And we need aggressive entitlement changes. We need to bring our distribution of wealth into a more healthy balance. Most of these things will not see the light of day thanks to politicians like Hillary who whore themselves out there for money. That will not change until we cut off the money supply.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Ok, so "nothing" isn't the right term. But we have much much bigger fish to fry then the things mentioned above. Our economic situation is a freaking mess. The ACA is unfortunately not the long term answer. We have entrenched interests (via bought off politicians) who are unwilling to make the hard choices we need on tax and spending. We need tax reform. We need a massive overhaul in the Pentagon. We need an energy revolution. And we need aggressive entitlement changes. We need to bring our distribution of wealth into a more healthy balance. Most of these things will not see the light of day thanks to politicians like Hillary who whore themselves out there for money. That will not change until we cut off the money supply.

I disagree both about the relative size of the fish and the need for a couple of these things, but I appreciate the thoughtful response.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Maybe Henry can cast some light on what the hell is going on in this little procedural gambit by the DOJ in one of the two main suits versus State on Hillary's FOIA requests, this one brought by Vice News.

Reads to me like the DOJ filed a motion to dismiss something - the case, certain claims, not sure - and then filed a secret (ex parte, meaning with no notice to the other party) affidavit supporting their motion. The DOJ claims its filing itself is classified. Now why the judge, whom I 'm guessing doesn't have some sort of super secret clearance, gets to see it, I have no idea. But Vice News caught wind of that and is raising its opposition. This sounds like some kind of sneaky trick which has been caught red handed.

The protest gained some traction late Wednesday afternoon when Moss ordered the Justice Department to file publicly a redacted copy of the secret filing or "show cause why" that isn't possible. He gave the government until April 26 to do that.

The motion and order came in a Freedom of Information Act case Leopold filed seeking access to deleted messages the FBI is said to have obtained from Clinton's server, as well as other specified types of records about the probe such as records authorizing media statements or exchanged with the State Department about the matter.

The suit also sought correspondence between the FBI and Clinton representatives about the issue. The FBI said last month there is none. An FBI records official said disclosing other data and correspondence could "adversely" affect the pending investigation.

http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000154-3476-d7de-af5e-3e760bcb0000

http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000154-3476-d7de-af5e-3e760bcb0000

- Basically by the looks of it, State and DOJ know that the FBI has already submitted two filings which have aroused attention because they have confirmed the existence of ongoing "law enforcement activities" (ie criminal investigation) and whatever this third filing is DOJ and State don't want the public to know about.

 

[McGarnicle]

She hasn't looked well lately. She's all puffy, huge bags under her eyes, garish baggy polyester pantsuits hiding god knows what. Worth keeping an eye on imo.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Fair's fair.  Curious what the thread thinks of this Robin Alperstein article in Medium - posted in the other thread as well:

Linky - Long read

-QG

Just a point about this:

1. There is no connection, nor could there be one as a matter of chronological reality, between Clinton’s receipt of speaker fees between 2013 and 2015, and any positions she held or decisions she made before those dates. Hillary’s paid speeches were made in the three year window between leaving the State Department and announcing for the presidency; she could not receive such fees while serving as FLOTUS or U.S. Senator or Secretary of State — positions she held for basically 20 years in a row. Thus, no aspect of her record has any connection to any speech she gave after the fact.

One of the debates:

Anderson Cooper to Hillary: You didn't think you were going to run for president again?

Hillary: I didn't.

*************

The announcement of her candidacy is a false bar. Hillary knew she would be running for president even when she took the SOS job in 09, and she knew and we all knew she would be running for president when she left the SD in 2013. But even if you used just the the start of her campaign, Hillary formally started paying people in January.

These are Hillary's speeches she was still making in 2015 before her announcement:


March 19, 2015


American Camping Association (J-1 Visa Program)


Atlantic City, NJ


$260,000.00


March 11, 2015


eBay Inc.


San Jose, CA


$315,000.00


February 24, 2015


Watermark Silicon Valley Conference for Women


Santa Clara, CA


$225,500.00


January 22, 2015


Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (Keystone Pipeline)


Whistler, Canada


$150,000.00


January 21, 2015


tinePublic Inc. (Keystone Pipeline)


Winnipeg, Canada


$262,000.00


January 21, 2015


tinePublic Inc. (Keystone Pipeline)


Saskatoon, Canada


$262,500.00



These are all the payments she made through March:


MOOK, ROBERT


TRAVEL


NEW YORK


NY


10185


01/12/2015


$903


X


TZELL TRAVEL GROUP


TRAVEL


NEW YORK


NY


10018


01/12/2015


$1,320


X


MOOK, ROBERT


TRAVEL


NEW YORK


NY


10185


01/13/2015


$51


X


ABEDIN, HUMA


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


01/15/2015


$6,769


X


MCAULIFFE, MARISA


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


01/15/2015


$380


X


CRAIG, BRYNNE


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


01/15/2015


$4,492


X


CLARK ADVISORY SERVICES, LLC


STRATEGIC CONSULTING SERVICES


ATLANTA


GA


30305


01/29/2015


$12,499


X


NEUSTAR, INC.


MOBILE SERVICES


STERLING


VA


20166


01/30/2015


$3,000


X


ABEDIN, HUMA


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


01/31/2015


$6,769


X


MCAULIFFE, MARISA


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


01/31/2015


$380


X


CRAIG, BRYNNE


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


01/31/2015


$4,492


X


CDMILLSGROUP LLC


LEGAL SERVICES


CHEVY CHASE


MD


20815


02/02/2015


$9,500


X


TZELL TRAVEL GROUP


TRAVEL


NEW YORK


NY


10018


02/05/2015


$4,032


X


MOOK, ROBERT


TRAVEL


NEW YORK


NY


10185


02/10/2015


$242


X


ABEDIN, HUMA


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


02/15/2015


$6,769


X


MCAULIFFE, MARISA


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


02/15/2015


$951


X


CRAIG, BRYNNE


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


02/15/2015


$4,492


X


O'LEARY, ANN


TRAVEL


OAKLAND


CA


94611


02/17/2015


$320


X


O'LEARY, ANN


TRAVEL


OAKLAND


CA


94611


02/24/2015


$185


X


CRAIG, BRYNNE


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


02/28/2015


$4,492


X


ABEDIN, HUMA


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


02/28/2015


$6,769


X


MCAULIFFE, MARISA


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


02/28/2015


$951


X


SLG TOWER 45 LLC


RENT


NEW YORK


NY


10170


03/01/2015


$20,439


X


CDMILLSGROUP LLC


LEGAL SERVICES


CHEVY CHASE


MD


20815


03/02/2015


$9,500


X


SLG TOWER 45 LLC


UTILITIES


NEW YORK


NY


10170


03/02/2015


$1,071


X


CLARK, WENDY


EMPLOYEE BENEFITS


ATLANTA


GA


30305


03/04/2015


$744


X


CLARK ADVISORY SERVICES, LLC


STRATEGIC CONSULTING SERVICES


ATLANTA


GA


30305


03/04/2015


$16,666


X


WINDSTREAM


UTILITIES


CEDAR RAPIDS


IA


52406


03/10/2015


$1,003


X


CORT FURNITURE


OFFICE FURNITURE


WEST CHESTER


OH


45069


03/10/2015


$3,751


X


TZELL TRAVEL GROUP


TRAVEL


NEW YORK


NY


10018


03/10/2015


$400


X


TZELL TRAVEL GROUP


TRAVEL


NEW YORK


NY


10018


03/10/2015


$2,287


X


TZELL TRAVEL GROUP


TRAVEL


NEW YORK


NY


10018


03/10/2015


$1,173


X


TIME WARNER CABLE


UTILITIES


PITTSBURGH


PA


15251


03/13/2015


$217


X


CRAIG, BRYNNE


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


03/15/2015


$4,492


X


ABEDIN, HUMA


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


03/15/2015


$6,769


X


MCAULIFFE, MARISA


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


03/15/2015


$1,903


X


JC SECURITY SYSTEMS, INC.


OFFICE SECURITY


BAYSIDE


NY


11360


03/18/2015


$214


X


CDMILLSGROUP LLC


LEGAL SERVICES


CHEVY CHASE


MD


20815


03/30/2015


$9,500


X


CRAIG, BRYNNE


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


03/31/2015


$4,492


X


ABEDIN, HUMA


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


03/31/2015


$6,769


X


MCAULIFFE, MARISA


PAYROLL & BENEFITS


NEW YORK


NY


10185


03/31/2015


$1,903


X

 

[Riversco]

Its just a question now of how smart is the GOP.

Hillary is the nominee.  Now the GOP just needs to broker the convention and make Kasich the nominee and the GOP wins everything.  He'll come in and immediately repeal Obamacare.  Its all set up for the republicans here.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And if that listing is consistent throughout the year note Hillary fans who offer up you money - $19,000 a month is going to Cheryl Mills and around $14,000 per month is going to Huma Abedin.

 

[humpback]

Its just a question now of how smart is the GOP.

Hillary is the nominee.  Now the GOP just needs to broker the convention and make Kasich the nominee and the GOP wins everything.  He'll come in and immediately repeal Obamacare.  Its all set up for the republicans here.

The GOP is screwed no matter what.  Do you really think Trump and Cruz supporters would come out in full force to vote for Kasich if they make him the nominee despite being last in delegates?  No friggin' way.  IMO their least-bad option long-term is for Cruz to get the nomination, so after he gets blown out in the general they can at least stop hearing that the reason they are losing is because they aren't nominating a "true conservative".

 

[Max Power]

Not going to read all this, but from some conversations, Hilary will not last 4 years.   Mark this down....

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The GOP is screwed no matter what.  Do you really think Trump and Cruz supporters would come out in full force to vote for Kasich if they make him the nominee despite being last in delegates?  No friggin' way.  IMO their least-bad option long-term is for Cruz to get the nomination, so after he gets blown out in the general they can at least stop hearing that the reason they are losing is because they aren't nominating a "true conservative".

The field has been wide open for both the Dems and the GOP to simply nominate someone likeable, experienced, normal, ethical. Really whoever gets there first wins. Could have been Sanders, could have been Kasich, whoever else from the GOP.

I'm not so sure about Kasich's electability. I suppose all the critical things Hillary's fans say about Sanders, that no one really knows him and he will be gradually exposed, etc., could apply to Kasich too. He's not the personality that Sanders is by any stretch, but that whole 'capable technocrat' shtick can work pretty well. Plus, you know, Ohio and the midwest.

And I don't buy the whole thing about how Trumpites won't show up for someone else in the GOP. Same thing has been said about Hillary/Sanders and Obama/Hillary supporters and they showed up at an ~66% clip. Polling shows the same for Trump voters (presuming he doesn't run and no one else serious 3rd party shows up).

I think the bigger problem for the GOP even if they were to wrangle free of the Donald/Cruz dilemna is the incredible ill will, animosity, xenophobia, and rancor they have created in America over the last 10 months or so, it's just been a huge big ol' paint brush they've been splattered with by Trump.

 

[timschochet]

People post the strangest stuff in this thread. Why don't we talk about Hillary's ideas? They've been posted on her website now for over a year. Yesterday I posted a few of them here. 

 

[Guest]

People post the strangest stuff in this thread. Why don't we talk about Hillary's ideas? They've been posted on her website now for over a year. Yesterday I posted a few of them here. 

Her idea is to avoid prison or impeachment.  As usual, I find her ideas counter intuitive.  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

People post the strangest stuff in this thread. Why don't we talk about Hillary's ideas? They've been posted on her website now for over a year. Yesterday I posted a few of them here. 

Ok this was your original statement on Hillary's accomplishments:

But I can list you lots of accomplishments as SoS: her negotiations with Pakistan, Afghanistan, South Africa, Venezuela, the G8, India, just to name a few that are described in her book. The trade agreements with Vietnam and South America. And of course, as I already noted, wading through the Middle East troubles.

- I guess TPP, Panama, Colombia and Korea was part of that entire free trade agenda.

- Negotiations with Pakistan, Afghanistan, South Africa, Venezuela, the G8, India: what were these and what happened?

- Can't help but notice you left out Russia.

- The other half was the mideast. Ok: Libya was just described as a "s### show" by the President. - Syria is Syria. - Egypt: disaster averted. - Iraq: more troops on the way.

- What else can you glean from her website?

 

[Gopher State]

She hasn't looked well lately. She's all puffy, huge bags under her eyes, garish baggy polyester pantsuits hiding god knows what. Worth keeping an eye on imo.

Have you looked at sanders lately?

 

[squistion]

Bernie Sanders ‏@BernieSanders 36m36 minutes ago

I want to see our country have one of the highest voter turnouts in the world, not one of the lowest.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Bernie Sanders ‏@BernieSanders 36m36 minutes ago

I want to see our country have one of the highest voter turnouts in the world, not one of the lowest.

Well it's an old maxim but turnout is higher in times of crisis and lower when people are satisfied.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Have you looked at sanders lately?

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/sanders-plays-basketball-with-grandchildren-in-n-h-619812419698

 

[The Commish]

People post the strangest stuff in this thread. Why don't we talk about Hillary's ideas? They've been posted on her website now for over a year. Yesterday I posted a few of them here. 

Pretty confident when I say what's on that page now is not close to what was on the page a year ago.  Doing a little experiment, we'll see how it goes.

 

[Slapdash]

Pretty confident when I say what's on that page now is not close to what was on the page a year ago.  Doing a little experiment, we'll see how it goes.

Even further away from what it will be if she gets into office

 

[Trey]

@SaintsInDome2006 I admittedly am not well versed in the email scandal as I refuse to follow the day to day drip-drip-drip. Call me with the FBI recommendation.

That said, what is the basis of a FOIA request to access Clinton's deleted emails? Could I FOIA President Obama's Gmail account? Generally curious as I am unclear on FOIA law. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

@SaintsInDome2006 I admittedly am not well versed in the email scandal as I refuse to follow the day to day drip-drip-drip. Call me with the FBI recommendation.

That said, what is the basis of a FOIA request to access Clinton's deleted emails? Could I FOIA President Obama's Gmail account? Generally curious as I am unclear on FOIA law. 

The test is whether they are public records. It's the content that matters, not where they are stored.

So if Hillary deleted public records and they are recovered then they can be Foia'd.

If they are "personal" like she says she has nothing to worry about.

Hence the DOJ is making secret ex parte filings with a federal court in response to this request.

 

[Guest]

Its just a question now of how smart is the GOP.

Hillary is the nominee.  Now the GOP just needs to broker the convention and make Kasich the nominee and the GOP wins everything.  He'll come in and immediately repeal Obamacare.  Its all set up for the republicans here.

If anyone but Kasich gets the nom, Republicans lose.  If Kasich is willing to bring up all,of Hillary's flaws and fight bare knuckle, he beats her in November.  And the Democratic Party couldn't deserve it more for forcing this horrible candidate.

 

[humpback]

The field has been wide open for both the Dems and the GOP to simply nominate someone likeable, experienced, normal, ethical. Really whoever gets there first wins. Could have been Sanders, could have been Kasich, whoever else from the GOP.

I'm not so sure about Kasich's electability. I suppose all the critical things Hillary's fans say about Sanders, that no one really knows him and he will be gradually exposed, etc., could apply to Kasich too. He's not the personality that Sanders is by any stretch, but that whole 'capable technocrat' shtick can work pretty well. Plus, you know, Ohio and the midwest.

And I don't buy the whole thing about how Trumpites won't show up for someone else in the GOP. Same thing has been said about Hillary/Sanders and Obama/Hillary supporters and they showed up at an ~66% clip. Polling shows the same for Trump voters (presuming he doesn't run and no one else serious 3rd party shows up).

I think the bigger problem for the GOP even if they were to wrangle free of the Donald/Cruz dilemna is the incredible ill will, animosity, xenophobia, and rancor they have created in America over the last 10 months or so, it's just been a huge big ol' paint brush they've been splattered with by Trump.

It's not just the Trumpites who will be pissed, it's also the Cruzites, but I'm not saying none of them will show up, just not nearly enough.  The GOP starts out in the hole as it is, they can't afford to alienate that many voters.  Kasich has zero chance to win with the way this would have to go down.

 

[Guest]

It's not just the Trumpites who will be pissed, it's also the Cruzites, but I'm not saying none of them will show up, just not nearly enough.  The GOP starts out in the hole as it is, they can't afford to alienate that many voters.  Kasich has zero chance to win with the way this would have to go down.

Cruz nor Trump can possibly win a general.  By the way, Ruan wins handily as well...  But he's been adamant he's not running.  All comes down to whether the GOP wants to field a loser by a landslide, or not.  

 

[humpback]

Cruz nor Trump can possibly win a general.  By the way, Ruan wins handily as well...  But he's been adamant he's not running.  All comes down to whether the GOP wants to field a loser by a landslide, or not.  

I know they can't, which is why I said the GOP is screwed no matter what.  Kasich is probably the "best" of the bunch, but he would have a hard time winning the general if he won the nomination fair and square.  He has zero chance like this- he's still behind Rubio in delegates, for crying out loud.  Lol @ Ryan wins handily- no GOPer wins handily with the way the electoral map shapes up, especially one that isn't even running.