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Well, no matter what we call it, it defies explanation how the gravity of this has been summarily dismissed and minimized.  I can understand how Trump supporters are wild and crazy with hope for an outcome, and I can understand how Hillary supporters (myself included now) are wild and crazy with hope for the alternative outcome.  But, to diminish the gravity of it and how there is a very realistic possibility of the investigation blowing up this entire election makes absolutely no sense to me.
If they recognized the truth of the situation it would be a bare-knuckled shock to their system that they most likely wouldn't be able to handle after investing so heavily in her and believing every single lie she utters (which is pretty much anytime she opens her mouth).  So keeping their head in the sand about it is the only way to avoid their world from crashing in around them..  This is a typical sycophant defense mechanism.

 
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How exactly would Obama getting a back channel update compromise the investigation? 
Hey Mr. President, here's the status of our ongoing investigation.  This is what we have, this is what we don't have.  We are going to interview Secretary Clinton, as you know.  These are the questions we have about possible criminal activities.  We know you are supporting her bid to succeed you in office, but if you would kindly not let her know any of what we discussed, that would greatly help our investigation. Thank you so much Mr. President.

 
White House spokesman Josh Earnest when asked about the FBI probe into Hillary emails referred to it as a Criminal Investigation.  Unless you are a total Hillary worshiper who eats up all her lies as gospel, it is not much of a shocker.  

 
It originally had to do with your comment that the server and the alleged crime were unconnected. It's the implement by which the alleged crime would have been committed.
So someone forwarding cryptic unclassified gibberish to her email account rises to the level of Hillary removing items concerning national defense?  And I guess anyone else would have been in jail for receiving an email.

 
Seriously.  If you had to ask this question then you are completely clueless or so far in the tank that you, yourself, are compromised.
Do you honestly think the agents on the Clinton case are under any illusions about the amount of scrutiny they're under?  Do you think there's any chance they don't know the outcome that the current administration would prefer?  Are you so naive as to think that federal employees in an around Washington don't socialize and talk shop?  Do you honestly think there hasn't been a ridiculous amount of gossip on this topic in Washington?  So how exactly do you think a back channel update would compromise the investigation?

 
So someone forwarding cryptic unclassified gibberish to her email account rises to the level of Hillary removing items concerning national defense?  And I guess anyone else would have been in jail for receiving an email.
Like I said you tell me. Presidential nominee is under criminal investigation. Why? It's not the drones. It's not the secret names. It's not the secret programs. It's not the mishandling of class info. It's not the unauthorized server. It's not the deleted emails. Running out of guesses here.

 
Hey Mr. President, here's the status of our ongoing investigation.  This is what we have, this is what we don't have.  We are going to interview Secretary Clinton, as you know.  These are the questions we have about possible criminal activities.  We know you are supporting her bid to succeed you in office, but if you would kindly not let her know any of what we discussed, that would greatly help our investigation. Thank you so much Mr. President.
More like - Senior Staffer: Mr. President, word is that there's nothing in the classified documents to get in a huff over.  

POTUS:  So the risk of letting her run with the nomination is minimal?

Senior Staffer:  It would appear so.  Should be fine for you to endorse too.

 
White House spokesman Josh Earnest when asked about the FBI probe into Hillary emails referred to it as a Criminal Investigation.  Unless you are a total Hillary worshiper who eats up all her lies as gospel, it is not much of a shocker.  
That should do for @timschochet who has been asking for just this to happen so he can accept what's been known for months.

 
More like - Senior Staffer: Mr. President, word is that there's nothing in the classified documents to get in a huff over.  

POTUS:  So the risk of letting her run with the nomination is minimal?

Senior Staffer:  It would appear so.  Should be fine for you to endorse too.
Obama has gone out of his way to say he hasn't been briefed so he can avoid the appearance of impropriety, if he accepts the importance of it you should too.

 
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If he's briefed he's briefed doesn't matter who does it.
He wouldn't need to be briefed.  He'd just need someone in a position to protect him be briefed.  

And I'm not sure I'd take any information relayed as a briefing.  If someone tells me the score of the last NBA finals game, I wouldn't consider that being briefed.  

 
White House spokesman Josh Earnest when asked about the FBI probe into Hillary emails referred to it as a Criminal Investigation.  Unless you are a total Hillary worshiper who eats up all her lies as gospel, it is not much of a shocker.  
I just pm'ed you my paypal account info! 

 
If he's briefed he's briefed doesn't matter who does it.
Why does he need to be briefed at all?  He knows that Congress has everything.  He knows that they have been not shy about leaks.  He has seen the "worst of the worst" of the "beyond top secret" emails in the media.  And when this overly security conscious president stopped laughing so hard that it hurts about the threats he came to the only sane conclusion for someone lacking a presumption of guilt. 

 
He wouldn't need to be briefed.  He'd just need someone in a position to protect him be briefed.  

And I'm not sure I'd take any information relayed as a briefing.  If someone tells me the score of the last NBA finals game, I wouldn't consider that being briefed.  
Ok that's Nixonian plausible deniability stuff.  I've never accused him of that. You want to accuse him of games go right ahead.

 
Why does he need to be briefed at all?  He knows that Congress has everything.  He knows that they have been not shy about leaks.  He has seen the "worst of the worst" of the "beyond top secret" emails in the media.  And when this overly security conscious president stopped laughing so hard that it hurts about the threats he came to the only sane conclusion for someone lacking a presumption of guilt. 
That's fine, I'm not the one making that claim.

 
According to a report from Morning Joe, insiders say Obama doesn't just want to help Hillary beat Trump; he wants to crush Trump. It is very personal for Obama because of the Birther nonsense and because he associates Trump as representative of all the irrational hatred and bigotry he has faced from a certain segment of Republicans since taking office. 

 
According to a report from Morning Joe, insiders say Obama doesn't just want to help Hillary beat Trump; he wants to crush Trump. It is very personal for Obama because of the Birther nonsense and because he associates Trump as representative of all the irrational hatred and bigotry he has faced from a certain segment of Republicans since taking office. 
It's not the first time he's tried to keep someone involved in the birther nonsense out of the White House.

 
When Hillary gets the nomination you will get yours.  With a criminal investigation and uncommitted Suoer Delegates there is still a reasonable albeit slim chance Hillary is not the nominee.  Be patient.  
That's not the bet. The bet was about Obama's endorsement, that he wouldn't endorse anybody until the race was decided. The race was decided and he endorsed Hillary Clinton. Whatever happens now, the bet has been decided. Please pay up. 

 
That's not the bet. The bet was about Obama's endorsement, that he wouldn't endorse anybody until the race was decided. The race was decided and he endorsed Hillary Clinton. Whatever happens now, the bet has been decided. Please pay up. 
Same day his own spokesman acknowledged the person he endorsed is under criminal investigation. 

 
Ok then what is the *something?
The same as the OIG report, how State operates

The ‘top secret’ communications

So how could information sent on an unclassified system turn out to be “top secret”? The answer is easy — when State Department officials review it in response to a request for public release.

“State’s upgrading process is retroactive,” said one congressional aide. “It’s not a sign of wrongdoing but rather the normal process used by State under all administrations before unclassified documents are made public (usually via FOIA). Often an unclassified email will be retroactively classified to protect foreign and diplomatic communications, for example.”

Yet for intelligence officials, the Clinton controversy has exposed serious shortcomings in how the State Department handles sensitive communications, another congressional aide said. In the view of intelligence officials, State Department officials have been sending highly sensitive information on the unclassified system — with the expectation that if a FOIA request is made, department officials could then redact the emails and prevent any classified information from becoming public.

In other words, at State, the basis for classification appeared to rest more with FOIA than the president’s executive order — which some intelligence officials believe is backward.

Indeed, when State released the first batch of Clinton emails, some in the intelligence community were upset at what had not been redacted in a pair of released emails. As a result, other members of the intelligence community demanded a seat at the table as future redaction determinations were made.

The various intelligence agencies since have been arguing about what should be disclosed, with at least seven email chains (22 separate emails) — and possibly more — labeled as unfit for any public disclosure. Rep. Chris Stewart (R-Utah), a member of the House Intelligence Committee who says he has reviewed the emails, told Fox News on Feb. 3 that the emails “do reveal classified methods, they do reveal classified sources, and they do reveal human assets.” Other sources who have viewed the emails do not describe the emails as strongly, though one official said Clinton’s aides might have put their security clearances at risk.

 
Same day his own spokesman acknowledged the person he endorsed is under criminal investigation. 
I think that was a misquote btw. The FBI has steadfastly refused to call it criminal either on paper or in the public, and have made a big point of not doing so,  and since they're the ones conducting the investigation they're the ones I trust. 

But none of this has anything to do with my wager with jon mx. 

 
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Most predictions I've seen already concede NV, CO, and NM to Hillary and AZ to Trump.

FL, OH, and PA are the only true battle ground states (that Trump has to win to win).

FL is the only state with a large Hispanic population that is important this election. The Hispanics in FL are more diverse than the border states though and they are less likely to be offended by comments about illegal Mexicans and illegal Mexican rapists (the origin of liberals' "Trump is a racist/bigot/etc" meme). On the Hispanic totem pole, Mexico is viewed pretty low by the rest of the Spanish speaking world. 

The Hispanic vote is not as important as liberals make it out to be for this presidential election.

Middle class whites in FL, OH, and PA are going to decide this election. 
You seem to be missing the point here.  The point is that a GOP candidate who wasn't bigoted against Mexicans/Hispanics wouldn't have to conceded NV, CO and NM and thus would have a path to victory that wouldn't require them to sweep FL, OH and PA like Trump will have to do if we assume he loses all the battleground states with significant Hispanic populations. 

In fact even if Trump wins OH, FL and PA (a tall task- even if each of them is ultimately a 50/50 there's only a 12.5% chance of a sweep) he can STILL lose the election if he loses both Virginia and North Carolina.  And while those states don't have huge numbers of Hispanics, they have a lot of African-Americans, whom you may have noticed also don't care too much for Trump.  Those states' combined Hispanic and African-American populations are around 30% of the total in the state. Clinton can devote massive resources to that region and force Trump to play defense there. And she actually only needs one of them if she pulls an upset in Arizona.

Bottom line- the map was already unfriendly to any GOP candidate. If Trump takes Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico out of play and forces his campaign to devote time and money in Arizona, the path gets much narrower, and gives him little room for error.

Also states aren't simply "Hispanic" and "not Hispanic."  Just because you're not in New Mexico doesn't mean they can't swing the state, especially if the race is expected to be really close. If Virginia is 9% Hispanic and that 9% goes 8-1 for Clinton, that's an extra couple percentage points he has to pick up elsewhere.

 
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I think that was a misquote btw. The FBI has steadfastly refused to call it criminal either on paper or in the public, and have made a big point of not doing so,  and since they're the ones conducting the investigation they're the ones I trust. 

But none of this has anything to do with my wager with jon mx. 
Sure. Maybe Obama was misquoted too. Endorsement never happened. Done.

 
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'Morning Joe'...see Tim, here's the problem. Right out of the gates, you're slanting left. It's going to be an uphill climb all day to find your way back to the fulcrum of the see-saw. Why not try a more neutral source to start your morning?

 
More like - Senior Staffer: Mr. President, word is that there's nothing in the classified documents to get in a huff over.  

POTUS:  So the risk of letting her run with the nomination is minimal?

Senior Staffer:  It would appear so.  Should be fine for you to endorse too.
Yes, this is probably how it worked with Nixon.

 
I love the fact that Bernie isn't dropping out!!  Why should he when his slimy opponent is under active FBI criminal investigation..  He KNOWS she's a dirty phony!

 
Was Warren inaccurate in her criticism of Donald Trump last night? 
I didn't hear but she probably was...if you notice in my posts I usually don't defend Trump (except with the racist BS which gets spewed out by everyone on the left)...he is what he is...he is the product of an inept GOP and a backlash against Political Correctness...what I don't go for his hypocritical liars like Hillary and Lizzie not practicing what they preach which they relentlessly do...they are both complete frauds who have risen to the top on very limited accomplishments and BS...

 

What's your thought process here?  The guy who wrote the column sells "Fauxcahontas" t-shirts on his website, which he plugs at the end of the column, and he calls her juvenile names and makes cringe-worthy Native American-themed jokes throughout.

Who do you think is gonna read something like that and take it seriously, other than people who already hate her?  Any decent human being is gonna read that and just think that Trump's media surrogates are just as juvenile and racially insensitive as he is.

 
And landing on Hillary's server where it stayed for up to 5 years. 
Once the data went to a non-secure server, it doesn't much matter where it winds up.  It was already compromised.
Of course it was compromised and of course it matters...it's not either/or.  I was wondering what the new talking point was going to be and now I know....down the rabbit hole we go.  What none of this changes is the lack of judgment and ethics on her part which is the most important part.  

 
Being the old man and Twitter ignoramus that I am, I had no idea of the significance of "delete your account"- but this article shows how much of an impact it has had: 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2016/6/9/11895760/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-delete-your-account-twitter?client=safari#

Hillary is having the best week so far of her candidacy. Everything she touches is turning to gold right now. 
Trump won that little bout with his reply,

"How long did it take your staff of 823 people to think that up--and where are your 33,000 emails that you deleted? https://t.co/gECLNtQizQ" ?

 
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