Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (5 Viewers)

[The Commish]

yes

Oh do tell!

really?

 

[timschochet]

Max's point wasn't that they don't agree with her.  It's that America's not sure they can trust her when she says it....two completely different things.  I've noticed this a lot out of you yesterday and today.

Max believes that Hillary is SO untrustworthy that you can't trust what she will do (or at least try to do) on ANY issue. I don't think the majority of the public believe this. 

 

[MaxThreshold]

Max believes that Hillary is SO untrustworthy that you can't trust what she will do (or at least try to do) on ANY issue. I don't think the majority of the public believe this. 

Well, if the shoe fits...

 

[The Commish]

Max's point wasn't that they don't agree with her.  It's that America's not sure they can trust her when she says it....two completely different things.  I've noticed this a lot out of you yesterday and today.

Max believes that Hillary is SO untrustworthy that you can't trust what she will do (or at least try to do) on ANY issue. I don't think the majority of the public believe this. 

Not sure what "majority" means in Tim land, but here on earth, it's a term that means over 50%.  The last polls posted here in the FFA a month or so ago had her passing 50% untrustworthy in her sleep.  Both her and Donald were over the 55% mark....maybe even 60% (I don't remember since I am not really suppose to be paying attention to polls).

So even your sidebar tangent here doesn't appear to be correct.

 

[timschochet]

Not sure what "majority" means in Tim land, but here on earth, it's a term that means over 50%.  The last polls posted here in the FFA a month or so ago had her passing 50% untrustworthy in her sleep.  Both her and Donald were over the 55% mark....maybe even 60% (I don't remember since I am not really suppose to be paying attention to polls).

So even your sidebar tangent here doesn't appear to be correct.

I find Hillary Clinton to be generally an untrustworthy person. 

I trust that Hillary Clinton will attempt to do what she says about guns, about infrastructure spending, about certain other issues that I know are important to her. 

These two statements are not necessarily contradictory. 

 

[Sconch]

Two wrong don't make a right now, do they?

Besides, we always talk of wanting our politicians to be better but now you're just ready to throw that out the window because "everyone does it"?  Also, to be fair, Hillary is a lot more slimy and dishonest more so than the average politician. 

None of what you posted is what I said at all.  She's running for president..just like Trump and Sanders and Bush and Obama and Reagan and her husband.   They all say/said what they think we want to hear.

Answer the question.

 

[Sconch]

really?

Really

 

[squistion]

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 1h1 hour ago

Sanders probably lost leverage by holding on too long. In past few weeks, both primary & general election voters have moved toward Clinton.

 

[The Commish]

Not sure what "majority" means in Tim land, but here on earth, it's a term that means over 50%.  The last polls posted here in the FFA a month or so ago had her passing 50% untrustworthy in her sleep.  Both her and Donald were over the 55% mark....maybe even 60% (I don't remember since I am not really suppose to be paying attention to polls).

So even your sidebar tangent here doesn't appear to be correct.

I find Hillary Clinton to be generally an untrustworthy person. 

I trust that Hillary Clinton will attempt to do what she says about guns, about infrastructure spending, about certain other issues that I know are important to her. 

These two statements are not necessarily contradictory. 

wonderful....has nothing to do with what you replied to.  For someone who was whining about this thread being about things it shouldn't be, you aren't pulling your weight to get it out of that proverbial gutter.  

 

[MaxThreshold]

None of what you posted is what I said at all.  She's running for president..just like Trump and Sanders and Bush and Obama and Reagan and her husband.   They all say/said what they think we want to hear.

Answer the question.

Sure.  Paul Ryan.  I can trust him.

 

[The Commish]

Someone should tell poor Nate that there was never any leverage.  Establishment wants nothing to do with Sanders.  The platitudes tell you everything you need to know.

 

[Trey]

Sanders and Clinton wrapped up 2 hour meeting. I imagine what we will see in the end:

Superdelegates gone

DWS steps down after the election

1-3 additional planks added to platform pulling it leftward

I'd like to see a more comprehensive overhaul of the primary system but I imagine there will be some resistance on many levels there.

 

[The Commish]

Really

Yikes...thought it was shtick.  There are a couple really good threads here.  Take the time and hunt them down and read them.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

What? It is not a civil matter?

 

[cstu]

Sure.  Paul Ryan.  I can trust him.

Hehe, good one.

 

[Sconch]

Sure.  Paul Ryan.  I can trust him.

Thanks.   Of course helied about his running a marathon in 3 hours.  

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Hillary: "I believe Americans are capable of protecting the Second Amendment while at the same time keeping guns out of the wrong hands." 

Translation: "Count on me to do nothing!"

 

[MaxThreshold]

Hehe, good one.

Compared to HRC he's the son of God in truthy-ness.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Thanks.   Of course helied about his running a marathon in 3 hours.  

That's all you got?  Wow.  I'll take that every day of the week and twice on Sundays.  I can't even give you an "A" for effort because that was terrible.

 

[timschochet]

wonderful....has nothing to do with what you replied to.  For someone who was whining about this thread being about things it shouldn't be, you aren't pulling your weight to get it out of that proverbial gutter.  

I really should stop responding to you because at this point most of your posts have become total nonsense. What I wrote had EVERYTHING to do with what I replied to. If you don't understand that, I'm forced to question your reading comprehension skills. 

 

[Sconch]

That's all you got?  Wow.  I'll take that every day of the week and twice on Sundays.  I can't even give you an "A" for effort because that was terrible.

 I asked.  You answered. I quipped. I winked.  What's the beef?

 

[MaxThreshold]

 I asked.  You answered. I quipped. I winked.  What's the beef?

My bad.  No beef.     

 

[Sand]

New Bloomberg Poll:

Hillary 49%

Trump 37%

Johnson 9% 

What hippie trailer park did they poll here?

 

[timschochet]

From Hillary's website, here is a "snapshot" list of her achievements as Secretary of State: 

• She led the effort to impose the toughest sanctions in history on Iran, twisting arms in China, Russia and dozens of other countries to force Iran to the negotiating table.
  
• She personally negotiated a stop to Hamas rockets raining down on Israel with a cease-fire in Gaza and actively supported Israel’s Iron Dome rocket defense system, which saved the lives of many Israelis.
  
• She was part of the President’s team making the decision to launch the raidagainst Osama bin Laden.
  
• She made women’s rights, economic participation, and political participation central to American foreign policy and global affairs, which history will record as a profound contribution.
  
• She worked to ensure the ratification of the New START treaty, which will make the world safer by reducing American and Russian nuclear arsenals to their lowest point in fifty years.
  
• She put economics and energy at the heart of the State Department’s agenda.Her jobs diplomacy efforts contributed to a 50 percent increase in American exports to China.
  
• 
  She worked to build an unprecedented global effort to combat climate change, joining President Obama to stand up to the Chinese in Copenhagen and get them to take greater responsibility for carbon emissions.
  
• She executed the “pivot to Asia“ – deepening our engagement in this critical region, repairing our alliances, and insisting that China play by the rules while enlisting their cooperation on priorities like Iran and climate change.
  
• She made the rights of LGBT people a key focus of her efforts as Secretary of State, including lobbying intensively for the first ever U.N. Human Rights Council resolution on LGBT human rights.
  
• She fought to expand internet freedom around the world, standing up to Russia, China, and Iran on the issue.
  
• Hillary Clinton oversaw a staff of about 70,000 employees at nearly 270 diplomatic posts in 190 countries around the world.
  
• Overseeing a budget of more than $50 billion, Clinton worked hard to ensure that American taxpayers got the “most bang for the buck” with State and USAID programs during tough economic times.
  
• “With less resources and new challenges” Clinton promoted public-private partnerships, launching the Global Partnership Initiative to act as a convener, catalyst, and collaborator with the private sector.
  
• Former Republican Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said Hillary Clinton “ran the State Department in the most effective way that I’ve ever seen.”
  
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[NorvilleBarnes]

Max believes that Hillary is SO untrustworthy that you can't trust what she will do (or at least try to do) on ANY issue. I don't think the majority of the public believe this. 

Max is insane. He said he thought Hillary was more slimy and dishonest than the average politician.   That's crazy - only "above average" ?!?!?! She's he freaking high water mark.

One day Hillary will be the standard unit of measurement for dishonest politicians. Candidates who rate one hundred to two hundred HillaWhats are in good shape to get elected. 300 - 400 HillaWhats and the candidate is in deep trouble. Anyone registering over 500 HillaWhats will suspend their candidacy immediately.

 

[Sand]

Thanks.   Of course helied about his running a marathon in 3 hours.  

Runners don't forget their times.  This was definitely a WTF moment.

 

[timschochet]

Big victory for Hillary tonight- she did better in DC than Obama did in 2008!

 

[dparker713]

Some say there exists a gene for exemplary online forum jousting.

I think I have it.

Delusions must be a ##### to live with. Not being able to tell reality from fiction must be terrifying

 

[dparker713]

yeah, no

Voting for a third party is the same as not voting. You're neither helping not hurting Donald's chances

 

[dparker713]

Max's point wasn't that they don't agree with her.  It's that America's not sure they can trust her when she says it....two completely different things.  I've noticed this a lot out of you yesterday and today.

I think most people are fairly confident that even if she's lying, she's not going to say something bat#### crazy every other day

 

[jon_mx]

Voting for a third party is the same as not voting. You're neither helping not hurting Donald's chances

Maybe the point of the vote is to help neither the crook or idiot win. Who are you to tell people why or who to vote for?  

 

[dparker713]

Maybe the point of the vote is to help neither the crook or idiot win. Who the #### are you to tell people who to vote for?  

I'm a sane, rational, intelligent human being.  And you?

 

[jon_mx]

I'm a sane, rational, intelligent human being.  And you?

Of course you are.  And how does that make you feel?  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Sanders and Clinton wrapped up 2 hour meeting. I imagine what we will see in the end:

Superdelegates gone

DWS steps down after the election

1-3 additional planks added to platform pulling it leftward

I'd like to see a more comprehensive overhaul of the primary system but I imagine there will be some resistance on many levels there.

Someone in the Sanders thread said he might demand to be named chair of the Senate Budget Commit. Funny how some people think Sanders could ask for all this and Hillary could not have demanded and gotten the SOS position in 2008 with more delegates, more sway with core party leadership, more sway with SDs and holding the challenges from MI & FL.

 

[dparker713]

Of course you are.  And how does that make you feel?  

How does it feel to be sane, rational, and intelligent?  Seems like a waste of time to explain it to you.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I think most people are fairly confident that even if she's lying, she's not going to say something bat#### crazy every other day

I am less concerned about what she says every other day, I am more concerned with what she does (or does not do).

 

[Sinn Fein]

What hippie trailer park did they poll here?

Pretty sure Jill Stein has the hippie vote...

 

[The Commish]

I really should stop responding to you because at this point most of your posts have become total nonsense. What I wrote had EVERYTHING to do with what I replied to. If you don't understand that, I'm forced to question your reading comprehension skills. 

You've probably benefited more from the removal of nested quotes than anyone on this board.  It's easier to spew  that way, but I"m up to the task.  Max's post was about Hillary's trustworthiness and that it didn't matter what she said because people don't trust her.  You said (without any sort of qualification) that you didn't believe that was true for a majority of people.  I point out to you that here in the real world "majority" is generally accepted as over 50% and I commented that the last poll we saw here in the FFA had Hillary blowing by 50% in untrustworthy questions with ease.  You then go on this tangent where I THINK your point is that one can find her untrustworthy overall but trust her on a specific issue.  FWIW, I fit that category, but that has little to do with the original conversation unless you are now moving the goalposts to talk about a specific topic while the initial conversation was of her overall trustworthiness.  Yeah, it's me

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I'm a sane, rational, intelligent human being.  And you?

Debatable 

 

[The Commish]

Max's point wasn't that they don't agree with her.  It's that America's not sure they can trust her when she says it....two completely different things.  I've noticed this a lot out of you yesterday and today.

I think most people are fairly confident that even if she's lying, she's not going to say something bat#### crazy every other day

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED?!?!?!?!?!?

This is the bar...wonderful

 

[pantagrapher]

I miss primary season already.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The Trump folks are a hoot with the "Hillary is so unpopular!" stuff.

Clinton +43/-55, net favorability of -12;  Trump +29/-70, net favorability of -41.  And 56% say it's "strongly unfavorable" with Trump.  If those numbers hold it'll be an electoral wipeout for Republicans across the entire country.

 

[The Commish]

The Trump folks are a hoot with the "Hillary is so unpopular!" stuff.

Clinton +43/-55, net favorability of -12;  Trump +29/-70, net favorability of -41.  And 56% say it's "strongly unfavorable" with Trump.  If those numbers hold it'll be an electoral wipeout for Republicans across the entire country.

If we're being fair...both groups shouldn't really be going there, should they?  The numbers are embarrassing all the way around.

 

[The Commish]

Voting for a third party is the same as not voting. You're neither helping not hurting Donald's chances

And we're back full circle.  Telling me what my vote is/means.  So bizarre   

 

[timschochet]

Max believes that Hillary is SO untrustworthy that you can't trust what she will do (or at least try to do) on ANY issue. I don't think the majority of the public believe this. 

"On ANY issue" was the  "qualification" that Commish says didn't exist. This is why, Commish, I questioned your reading skills. 

 

[The Commish]

Max believes that Hillary is SO untrustworthy that you can't trust what she will do (or at least try to do) on ANY issue. I don't think the majority of the public believe this. 

"On ANY issue" was the  "qualification" that Commish says didn't exist. This is why, Commish, I questioned your reading skills. 

I made clear I wasn't interested in the things that YOU added to the comment.  I was talking about the comment exactly as he made it.  Again....this has been a pattern with you the last week or so.  This is the comment that started this whole thing Tim:

  11 hours ago, MaxThreshold said:
That would be fantastic if we could, y'know, trust what she says.  But we can't and as far as most people are concerned she's saying this only because it's what you want to hear.

Next week it will most likely be something completely opposite.

 

[timschochet]

So how come nobody's talking about the Bloomberg poll? This is the first meaningful head to head poll we've had in this election cycle, because it's the first time we've had a poll featuring two presumptive nominees. And Hillary has a double digit lead. 

Back when we had meaningless polls showing a tight race between Trump and Clinton (meaningless because Hillary was still fighting it out with Sanders at the time) there were dozens of posts in here about how weak a candidate Hillary was, how she was going to lose the election, etc. etc. Now? Silence. 

 

[The Commish]

So how come nobody's talking about the Bloomberg poll? This is the first meaningful head to head poll we've had in this election cycle, because it's the first time we've had a poll featuring two presumptive nominees. And Hillary has a double digit lead. 

Back when we had meaningless polls showing a tight race between Trump and Clinton (meaningless because Hillary was still fighting it out with Sanders at the time) there were dozens of posts in here about how weak a candidate Hillary was, how she was going to lose the election, etc. etc. Now? Silence. 

You and your buddies have told us not to pay attention to the polls until Bernie has dropped out  

 

[timschochet]

You and your buddies have told us not to pay attention to the polls until Bernie has dropped out  

For all practical purposes he dropped out last week. When he officially drops out (likely in a few days) it should only result in an even more positive outcome for Hillary. 

 

[The Commish]

You and your buddies have told us not to pay attention to the polls until Bernie has dropped out  

For all practical purposes he dropped out last week. When he officially drops out (likely in a few days) it should only result in an even more positive outcome for Hillary. 

oh....ok