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Sure, whatever ridiculous overreaction floats your boat. 
So you believe Comey overreacted when he said this:

"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions." - James Comey 7/5/2016

 
You mean his (FBIs) previous decisions. I think you would have said that yesterday. 

Not his testimony.  His is a straight baller on the stand.  He is an easy hire if you are looking for someone to handle critical work.
Nope. He had no problem with not looking at previous testimony that Hillary made under oath? He doesn't know if Hillary was sophisticated enough to know what a (c) means on a document? A few other comments showed some leniency on his part to me.

 
Comey gives long statement and extensive testimony about how there was no way Clinton should be prosecuted for what she did with her emails.  Clinton haters respond with disdain, skepticism, and challenges to her impartiality, and some outright disbelief.

Comey gives one sentence quote about how she "may not have been sophisticated enough" to understand certain markings.  Clinton haters immediately take his word and his opinion as gospel.

If I didn't know any better I'd say his credibility in your eyes is conditioned not on his qualifications or his reasoning, but simply on whether he's saying something that inflicts maximum damage on Hillary Clinton!  That can't be it, though. You guys have way too much integrity for that.

 
Comey gives long statement and extensive testimony about how there was no way Clinton should be prosecuted for what she did with her emails.  Clinton haters respond with disdain, skepticism, and challenges to her impartiality, and some outright disbelief.

Comey gives one sentence quote about how she "may not have been sophisticated enough" to understand certain markings.  Clinton haters immediately take his word and his opinion as gospel.

If I didn't know any better I'd say his credibility in your eyes is conditioned not on his qualifications or his reasoning, but simply on whether he's saying something that inflicts maximum damage on Hillary Clinton!  That can't be it, though. You guys have way too much integrity for that.
:thumbup:  It is total partiansion BS. The right is looking for every sliver to nail Hillary. It is so sad

 
She is about to become the leader of the free world. 

All the facts should be known here.
Nobody's saying otherwise.  It's the ridiculous overreactions to that truth that we're ripping on here. 

This was a mistake.  People are absolutely free to hold that against her when they go to the polls in November to decide whether they prefer a lunatic xenophobic bigot with narcissistic personality disorder and complete disregard for the principles of free speech, separation of powers and due process to a woman who mishandled her email by setting up a private server during her time as Secretary of State.  That's your call.

But this nonsense about how she shouldn't even be allowed to handle classified information any more is absurd and baseless and it deserves to be mocked.

 
I think this is the big one on that.

Otherwise we don't know what came out of the interrogations.
Yeah, this is what I thought I remembered...thanks.

ETA:  I don't think ignorance is a defense ever, but Comey does.  That's the foundation of this thing coupled with "we've never prosecuted for something like this before".  It's shaky ground at best, but I am not sure ignorance is a defense if we have comments from telling people to lower/remove clearance.

A comment like that shows 1.  She knows she's getting that type of content and 2.  That she knows what those classifications mean and how they should be treated.  If she really didn't know and was ignorant of the classifications, she wouldn't know to ask her staff to do that sort of thing.

What we are left with is "we've never prosecuted for something like this before".  I'm not sure I can get behind that.  It's right there, but not quite on par with "everyone else is doing it".

 
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Nobody's saying otherwise.  It's the ridiculous overreactions to that truth that we're ripping on here. 

This was a mistake.  People are absolutely free to hold that against her when they go to the polls in November to decide whether they prefer a lunatic xenophobic bigot with narcissistic personality disorder and complete disregard for the principles of free speech, separation of powers and due process to a woman who mishandled her email by setting up a private server during her time as Secretary of State.  That's your call.

But this nonsense about how she shouldn't even be allowed to handle classified information any more is absurd and baseless and it deserves to be mocked.
It has gotten so absurd and the posters on the right are so deep into their parsing of every statement that they have lost sight of everything. It is amazing that the Speaker of the House (2nd in line for the Presidency in case something happens to the President) would make this statement. It is so unreal

 
It has gotten so absurd and the posters on the right are so deep into their parsing of every statement that they have lost sight of everything. It is amazing that the Speaker of the House (2nd in line for the Presidency in case something happens to the President) would make this statement. It is so unreal
And posters here have completely ignored the fact that Comey has disregarded one of their (and my) main objections to Clinton's email: that she set it up to avoid FOIA requests. He says that their investigation supporters her claim that she did it for convenience reasons. No bother, there's some other statement about classified markings that they don't really understand to get outraged about!

 
Damn, in a all important congressional hearing involving the former SoS and POTUS hopeful and the FBI director... jamny succumbed to posting a lmao smilie.

So very fitting.

 
And posters here have completely ignored the fact that Comey has disregarded one of their (and my) main objections to Clinton's email: that she set it up to avoid FOIA requests. He says that their investigation supporters her claim that she did it for convenience reasons. No bother, there's some other statement about classified markings that they don't really understand to get outraged about!
This!  

 
Nobody can say for sure what gross negligence is but what it is almost certainly not is something that similar people in a similar position have also done.  If other Secretaries of State conducted department business via private email it might not even rise to the level of negligence, let alone gross negligence. That her predecessors did so less frequently, or not on their own personal servers, may (should?) matter to your opinion of her, but it doesn't matter when it comes to application of the law.  After all the potential crime requiring gross negligence would be "permitting removal" of information by having it sent to a private server, and for those purposes it doesn't matter whose server it is or how often you did it.

You all are waaaay too deep on this.  Take a deep breath.  This is a mistake in judgment, and it's fair to hold a mistake in judgment against her, but it's not close to being a crime.  Never has been, never will be.
I'm not concerned with her or any of her predecessors using private servers to conduct department business.  It's the message traffic that traversed those unaccredited servers that concern me.  Yes, it was a mistake in judgment.  It happens to all of us.  But there are consequences when discussing classified information.

Top Secret:  Information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security that the original classification authority is able to identify or describe.

Secret:  information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause serious damage to the national security that the original classification authority is able to identify or describe.

These are from Obama's signed Executive Order 13526 - Classified National Security Information.  

The content of her discussions that were considered top secret, were sensitive enough to the point that unauthorized disclosure could cause exceptionally grave damage to national security.  Unauthorized disclosure... if she sent one of those emails to an uncleared person (or CC'd someone or another department), that is unauthorized disclosure.  It being housed on a private, non-secure server is a no-no in itself.  The IT staff (private contractor?) who managed the server had access to those emails.  The potential is staggering.  That's why that type of information is classified and must be protected through specific methods and means of distribution.  

Permitting removal by having the emails deleted/purged.  We don't know the content of those email conversations, but for them to be classified secret or TS, they had to be related to extremely sensitive topics.  Who read them?  Who forwarded them to someone else?  Did anyone print them off?  Is it possible that any of the information discussed could have led to the loss of life or a potential terrorist attack?  Who knows?  No one can say for sure what gross negligence really is, and it appears that different people view it differently than others.

The fact that her predecessors may have done the same thing is equally appalling imo.  If they did, shame on them and I wish they had faced similar inquiries as Clinton.  But they didn't; maybe they just didn't get caught.   I'm glad they aren't running for president.  

 
Comey indicated that she was not forthcoming when she testified regarding her emails/private server. So why not bring charges against her for lying under oath?

 
And posters here have completely ignored the fact that Comey has disregarded one of their (and my) main objections to Clinton's email: that she set it up to avoid FOIA requests. He says that their investigation supporters her claim that she did it for convenience reasons. No bother, there's some other statement about classified markings that they don't really understand to get outraged about!
That is a big deal. Really there is something in this for everyone.

Again Comey is top notch, hats off to him.

 
And posters here have completely ignored the fact that Comey has disregarded one of their (and my) main objections to Clinton's email: that she set it up to avoid FOIA requests. He says that their investigation supporters her claim that she did it for convenience reasons. No bother, there's some other statement about classified markings that they don't really understand to get outraged about!
If she set it up to avoid FOIA, then that would push the situation she created into the criminal realm. If it was just for convenience reasons, then it's probably not criminal. BUT, and this seems to be what you have issue with, despite her actions not being criminal, they ARE often subject to security and administrative sanctions. This isn't my opinion. It's Comey's:

"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. "

But again, we're not talking about imposing security and administrative sanctions here. After all, she's not in the position any more. So at best she walks away with no punishment at all.. At worst, she's promoted to president. 

 
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I am amazed that folks would still vote for her to be President.   She has been caught lying red handed by denying she never sent anything marked classified.  This is a major character flaw and you simply can not trust her yet she is the favorite for the white house?  Wow.

 
I am amazed that folks would still vote for her to be President.   She has been caught lying red handed by denying she never sent anything marked classified.  This is a major character flaw and you simply can not trust her yet she is the favorite for the white house?  Wow.
You just missed Leiu talk in the hearing, obviously.

 
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