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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (10 Viewers)
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badmojo1006
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It is, but the link Boston threw up just has the inflammatory statement in the link, and a lot of people will just go on that and not open up the link and see how old it is and has already been denied
Boston
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Is there a statute of limitations on this type of speech or has she simply evolved like she has in so many other areas? Obviously it was denied...isn't it always with Hildo...
Politician Spock
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Boston
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SaintsInDome2006
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Ha, I'm gonna say.... yes?
The point of the Guardian link is to address the inevitable 'it didn't happen cuz Daily Caller' claim which in fact did come to be.
Im sure Hillary's cursed enough to make a sailor blush over the years. The girl was from 1950s North Chicago, I'm sure she had some racial/religious baggage back in the day, obviously I doubt she's said anything like that in a long time. She and Bill weren't even married then. I'm guessing her anger over being defeated or denied hasn't ebbed any over the years though.
SaintsInDome2006
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squistion
Footballguy
Source is another tell all book about the Clintons from someone trying to make a quick buck dredging up dirt that can't be proven or disproven, in this case with a statement from 1974 and if Hillary didn't say it (as she and Bill claim) it goes into the category of trying to prove a negative. From the Guardian piece this is what she had to say:
"I have never said anything like that, ever," Mrs Clinton said. "I have in the past certainly, you know maybe, called somebody a name. But I have never used an ethnic, racial, anti-Semitic, bigoted, discriminatory, prejudiced, accusation against anybody. I've never done it. I've never thought it."
I am sure she probably has "called somebody a name" and even Bill wouldn't deny that:
"She might have called him a *******, I wouldn't rule that out. She's never claimed that she was pure on profanity. But I've never heard her tell a joke with an ethnic connotation. She's so fanatic about it. It's not in her."
And the type of remark she allegedly made, would have been considered not PC, even in 1974 and is unlikely from someone in the public eye who is or will be seeking elective office, besides being out of character for someone who is liberal/progressive in their views.
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Baloney Sandwich
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TobiasFunke
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Boy, as a Clinton supporter I'm really troubled by the "Clinton once was alleged to have called someone a 'dirty Jew *******' 42 years ago" thing. This is a huge story that will definitely not reflect poorly on Trump once the same critical eye is turned to his alleged past statements regarding minorities, nor will focusing on it help Clinton and the media move past the email scandal.
If Clinton opponents know what's good for them they'll run wild with this one- let's hope they don't!
If Clinton opponents know what's good for them they'll run wild with this one- let's hope they don't!
squistion
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SaintsInDome2006
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This is a classic message board contention thread.
Cobalt has a thoughtful comment but mentions Sanders was Jewish.
Squiz claims this by itself is offensive.
Boston: if you think that's offensive how about this doozy from Hillary.
Squis: never happened because Hillary said so.
Others: long time ago buster, irrelevant!
-> See Cobalt's original point, it's a good one, it was an unfair criticism of it to begin with.
Cobalt has a thoughtful comment but mentions Sanders was Jewish.
Squiz claims this by itself is offensive.
Boston: if you think that's offensive how about this doozy from Hillary.
Squis: never happened because Hillary said so.
Others: long time ago buster, irrelevant!
-> See Cobalt's original point, it's a good one, it was an unfair criticism of it to begin with.
Politician Spock
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People claim the Clintons did something wrong and they deny it.
Been going on for decades.... and if she wins, it will continue going on.... and on.... and on....
Been going on for decades.... and if she wins, it will continue going on.... and on.... and on....
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I don't know where you're getting this from. This is a huge story and we really should be talking about it a lot more. Please continue to bring this important message to the people.
Boston
Footballguy
Actually it is not a big story...it was done in reply to a post talking about someone's attitude...I thought this was relevant to that post but obviously it is not because it happened along time ago and Bill Clinton said it did not happen and it's not like he has lied under oath or anything like that...even if it did happen I'm sure she was simply being careless and didn't mean to do it...
Card Trader
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Freshly released Q polls are interesting this morning 
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I said and meant it as a Jew, myself, knowing full well that we have an uphill battle in national politics, at least when it comes to presidential elections and stuff.
squistion
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Yes, I am sure Bernie would be complimented if someone called him an "old Socialist Jew".
Grace Under Pressure
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I think all of these may be true:
Hillary is a terrible person, and an awful candidate.
Donald Trump is way more likable as a person than Hillary.
Hillary will likely be the next President.
And thus no one is happy. I wonder, are there actually Hillary supporters? Or all just resigned to the least worst?
Hillary is a terrible person, and an awful candidate.
Donald Trump is way more likable as a person than Hillary.
Hillary will likely be the next President.
And thus no one is happy. I wonder, are there actually Hillary supporters? Or all just resigned to the least worst?
TobiasFunke
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In what universe might this be true? Trump's unfavorable numbers have been almost universally worse than Clinton's throughout the election cycle, particularly his strong unfavorable numbers.
Clinton basic favorable/unfavorable numbers current average -15.6
Trump basic favorable/unfavorable numbers current average -27.1.
SaintsInDome2006
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How `bout... we go by the Hillary Rule and just assume he didn't intend anything bad about it, so really there's nothing wrong, m'kay?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
WaPo confirms that yes indeedy "thousands" of emails deleted by Hillary might be coming to light.
- Well we know it's all private, so the number of emails to come out of any review should likely be zero. I'm sure.
- Well we know it's all private, so the number of emails to come out of any review should likely be zero. I'm sure.
squistion
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Not everyone agrees with your premise that she is a terrible person. Admittedly, not a great candidate, but that is more because she suffers in comparison to Bill and Obama than any deficiencies on her part. I expect her to do really well in the debates against Trump, but we will see.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
As a fellow Jew I can confirm that we're allowed to talk #### about each other and call each other whatever we want. That and controlling the entertainment industry are two of the best perks.
timschochet
Footballguy
Hillary giving a great speech right now. She's quiet again. On CNN. It's excellent!
Don Quixote
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Not my argument, but I think "likable as a person" and favorable/unfavorable are a bit different. Likability is akin to the "who would I rather have a beer with". I think Bush was likable as a person, but I had an unfavorable view of him as a President. That said, I'd rather have a beer with Hillary than Trump because I don't like hanging out with misogynistic, racist ********.
Card Trader
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It was great when she talked about the black and hispanics that lost their lives at the hands of police this past week, but none of the white people.....
timschochet
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TobiasFunke
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Fair enough, although in line with what you said I think Trump's unfavorable numbers are probably mostly due to his likability as a person. People don't have unfavorable opinions of him because of some scandal or because of what they don't like what he might do as president, they have unfavorable opinions of him because he's a repulsive human being.
Grace Under Pressure
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The favorable unfavorable variance is terrible for both of them, but it's a binary measure. On a scalar measure, it seems (a bit anecdotal here) that Trump may skew more towards extremely favorable among his supporters than Hillary would among hers, if people could answer the poll that way. I was speaking to personal likability though, which I'd also like to see scalar quantified data on, but my sense is that Trump would have a higher top box likability over Hillary. Call it the "get a beer" measure, I think it's a different question than the traditional favorability measure though.
dparker713
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I find this type of argument BS, regardless of the group at issue.
As a fellow Jew I can confirm that we're allowed to talk #### about each other and call each other whatever we want. That and controlling the entertainment industry are two of the best perks.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Don Q, channeling thoughts a bit on the likability discussion. Agreed.
dparker713
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timschochet
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Hillary's likable enough.
Politician Spock
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Don Quixote
Footballguy
That may be the case. I don't know what his unfavorables are based on, but my unfavorable view of him, at least, is based on all of the above.
timschochet
Footballguy
I know you think I have a shrine of her image in my basement, but it's not so. I like her. I like what she has to say. I don't like everything about her. If there was a moderate Republican running against her (say a Jon Huntsman) I would probably vote for that person. If a centrist Democrat, with the same ideas but less baggage, had ran against her in the primaries (say a Diane Feinstein), I would have supported that person. I wasn't given much to work with here.
Grace Under Pressure
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Parrothead
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dparker713
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Leeroy Jenkins
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Politician Spock
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Basement? No... you'd set it up in the bedroom.... maybe the living room, but that's pushing it.
SaintsInDome2006
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Hillary can pound 'em down though.
- Isn't this a bit like George Bush giving a speech in 2023 about 'how to fix Iraq'?
The Clintons created the anticrime bill, used fear language like 'bring to heel' and 'super predator', created DLC to a appeal to the suburban and Southern white vote, tried to 'end welfare', had their Souljah moment, explicitly triangulated and pivoted liberals and conservatives against each other, and now Hillary is the Great Unifier? Ok.
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SaintsInDome2006
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cobalt_27
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He is a repulsive human being. But, IMO, part of him being repulsive is driven by his scandalous behaviors (setting up a fraud university, using bankruptcy not as a last resort but as a strategy, etc), and I most certainly don't like him out of--and this is probably the biggest thing for me--fear of what he might do as president.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Too bad.
You can convert, but what you need to understand is that it's our sense of humor that has sustained us for 3,000 years. Or 5,000 years. Whatever.
Yankee23Fan
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I had it at : Nixon 5; Ford 3; Carter 3; Reagan 10; HW Bush 5; Clinton 10; W Bush 5; Obama 10. But my ranking had a little more in it then just effective speaker. I doubt Hillary would score more than 3.
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