Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (6 Viewers)

[SaintsInDome2006]

Imagine if he had not just Twitter and cable news to go after his critics and opponents, but also the I.R.S.

What a strange thing to say. Has this ever happened? Seems impossible.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Nobody is talking about Hillary's remarkable speech today? 

“I cannot stand here and claim that my words and actions haven’t sometimes fueled the partisanship that often stands in the way of our progress,” she told a small audience that crowded beneath a grand ceiling here. “So I recognize I have to do better, too.”

“The challenges we face today do not approach those of Lincoln’s time. Not even close,” she said. “But recent events have left people across America asking hard questions about whether we are still a house divided.”

It's your thread man but goodness do you try and fuel a fire in here...Nobody talking blah blah blah Hilary Clinton greatest orator of all time and then you wonder why folks get irritable with you or call you a   which you are the master of doing. I say that almost in awe as you can get away with so much more than I can in here. I give you mad props, you deserve to be recognized as the all time fireman in this place. 100,000 posts, It's your year Tim in 2016. 

 

[squistion]

It's your thread man but goodness do you try and fuel a fire in here...Nobody talking blah blah blah Hilary Clinton greatest orator of all time and then you wonder why folks get irritable with you or call you a   which you are the master of doing. I say that almost in awe as you can get away with so much more than I can in here. I give you mad props, you deserve to be recognized as the all time fireman in this place. 100,000 posts, It's your year Tim in 2016. 

Oh, the irony.

 

[timschochet]

It's your thread man but goodness do you try and fuel a fire in here...Nobody talking blah blah blah Hilary Clinton greatest orator of all time and then you wonder why folks get irritable with you or call you a   which you are the master of doing. I say that almost in awe as you can get away with so much more than I can in here. I give you mad props, you deserve to be recognized as the all time fireman in this place. 100,000 posts, It's your year Tim in 2016. 

Whatever you say dude.   I honestly thought it was a remarkable speech, I heard it live. You don't have to go back more than 1 page to discover that I have been extremely critical of Hillary's speechmaking ability. Today was an exception, and hopefully she can keep it up. 

I also find it funny that you're accusing me of fishing when you come in here and accuse Hillary Clinton of murdering people in Arkansas. You should know that when you do that you lose any shred of credibility you have ever had discussing politics. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Actually it was kind of dumb.

Boooo.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'd like to see more of this from her. Maybe she's a decent retail politician after all. It would help shed the "better than people" vibe she gives off.

Hillary could kill it with genuine contrition, awkwardness and a real love of the people. Seriously. The American people are very forgiving, she just never asks for it.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Whatever you say dude.   I honestly thought it was a remarkable speech, I heard it live. You don't have to go back more than 1 page to discover that I have been extremely critical of Hillary's speechmaking ability. Today was an exception, and hopefully she can keep it up. 

I also find it funny that you're accusing me of fishing when you come in here and accuse Hillary Clinton of murdering people in Arkansas. You should know that when you do that you lose any shred of credibility you have ever had discussing politics. 

...MOP fish food(Tim does this every time to reel me right back into dialogue)...OK Tim, I'll believe you. I thought her last 2-3 weeks going back to California Primary have been AWFUL but I'll listen to whatever was said today. She has been promising freebies everywhere she goes and I'm just wondering who is going to pay for all of this. But the thing is I kind of know who will pay for all this and it's gonna be the lion's share of folks in the FFA and throughout America. People in this forum are going to have to feel a suction vac being attached to their wallets and it's not going to feel good. 

Tim, the challenge in trying to talk to you is you seem swayed by Clinton's day to day...she has had 25-30 years and we can discuss the results of that but you want to key in on her speech today like it was MLK material and I'm saying and Trump supporters are saying and non Trump GOP types are saying "GIMME A BLEEPING BREAK!"

You can't toss out her record over 30 years and just go with today's speech. This is not Obama 2008 my friend. BO had a lot of momentum. Clinton not so much. In fact Bill Maher keyed in on it a few weeks ago when he called her a plodding centrist...that's not good right now. 

When will the polls concern you Tim? Already prepared for Donald being in front post GOP Convention? Or are we going to see you kicking and screaming and fishing the whole way?

 

[badmojo1006]

It's your thread man but goodness do you try and fuel a fire in here...Nobody talking blah blah blah Hilary Clinton greatest orator of all time and then you wonder why folks get irritable with you or call you a   which you are the master of doing. I say that almost in awe as you can get away with so much more than I can in here. I give you mad props, you deserve to be recognized as the all time fireman in this place. 100,000 posts, It's your year Tim in 2016. 

Hey, give Tim credit...it is up to 102K posts now

 

[Guest]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/13/evidence-hillary-clinton-lied-turning-emails/

Wish it were a different source, but it's the transcripts I want to point out.

I noticed that Comey stated last week that Hillary's attorneys had not read all her emails, and I think it was a Catch 22 where Hillary had to admit this to avoid charges she exposed classified materials to aides without clearance.

But read the exchange with Gowdy.  She lied under oath.  And she certainly played legal chicken with her semantics about what was and wasn't turned over.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Hey, give Tim credit...it is up to 102K posts now

When they open the internet forums HoF in the coming years, he's a shoe in 1st ballot. 

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I should have thought of who I was posting to. Of course you would know. I had a vacation when I was a kid to the VA coast when I was a kid, one of the best memories of my life. Anyway I always have though that whole DelMarVa thing was very cool, hope to do it one day. Needless to say great seafood is a love of mine.

A layer of crabs chilled in ice water (so the legs and claws stay on - and combined with the vents effectively cools the steam room), a thin layer of dry mustard, a healthy layer of JO#2,  a layer of pretzel salt - "live" steam, 25 minutes for a half pot or less, 35 minutes for a full pot (four and a half bushel), promptly unclogging the pot's drain  (by sound), ignoring the owner that tells you that a customer complained because of too much of something a few minutes after telling you another customer complained about too little - from the same pot, and whatever you do don't do too many too soon as nothing is worst than having orders coming in and all the pots cluttered with cold stuff.  Oh, the memories.    

RIP "Boss Lady"

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Well really sometimes I post stuff because to me it's new information. I don't think I realized Comey confirmed what we knew. I mean we know Hillary's emails were read/downloaded but it's really something to hear it from him. However there are a few around here who are not so willing to understand or accept what is essentially basically truths such as this. To the extent you knew it already, yeah, there it is.

https://news.vice.com/article/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-to-decide-whether-to-release-memos

- So it was more than "55." You're counting chains instead of actual communications.

- Whether these were damaging in the way of their release, I don't know, we can't say they were but we can't say they weren't. Presumably since the government won't release them, some people with real knowledge think they might even today.

There are 52 chains of emails (i.e. emails about a particular topic) in the "110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received". plus at most 3 more "With respect to the thousands of e-mails we found that were not among those produced to State, agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received."  Assuming those three were stand alone then 52 + 3 = 55 chains.  55 topics.  55 "secrets".  Granted some of these could be compound "secrets" with multiple pieces of "classified information" in the email chain which is why I said "secrets".   And since this is just over twice as many emails in question as there are chains, it means that Hillary's participation in these email chains is at best one email received and one reply (on average).   A bunch "FYI"  to her and a "thanks" from her?

As for the presumption, the government won't release the 50 to 90 percent of items generally considered over classified  either.  Just on this information the odds are that between 50 and 90 percent of these should also never have been classified at all.   But considering hundreds of people in the government passed this information around freely in unsecured email (per Comey) without blinking an eye I suspect that these tend to the high end of the odds.   But I'm just playing the percentages,  new facts can change this perspective.  So go ahead and show me the emails (unredacted) that makes me rethink this.  

 

[dparker713]

Trump - Making fantastic jobs

To be fair, that looks better than the quarters for the workers building the venues for the World Cup in Qatar 

 

[dparker713]

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/bill-clinton-rumored-mistress-energizer-julie-tauber-mcmahon-humiliates-hillary-clinton/

Definitely salacious -- but more of what we can expect from a Clinton presidency.  And note the behavior of covering things up, even Clinton-to-Clinton -- and erasing unseemly dealings from Clinton Foundation records -- plus tax laws violated because a non-profit can't invest in a for-profit.  Unless of course you have no laws or accountability.  These people!

I kinda doubt she gets all that upset at his infidelities anymore.

 

[Dr Oadi]

What if he decides to push the button?  That's not a silly, outlandish question for this guy.  I seriously think he's nuts.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I kinda doubt she gets all that upset at his infidelities anymore.

Probably not

 

[tommyGunZ]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/13/evidence-hillary-clinton-lied-turning-emails/

Wish it were a different source, but it's the transcripts I want to point out.

I noticed that Comey stated last week that Hillary's attorneys had not read all her emails, and I think it was a Catch 22 where Hillary had to admit this to avoid charges she exposed classified materials to aides without clearance.

But read the exchange with Gowdy.  She lied under oath.  And she certainly played legal chicken with her semantics about what was and wasn't turned over.

I've been watching the news waiting to hear about the mass resignations from all the FBI guys that you swore were going to resign. 

When is that happening?  Can you check with your "inside" sources?  

 

[tommyGunZ]

What if he decides to push the button?  That's not a silly, outlandish question for this guy.  I seriously think he's nuts.

Our worldviews are diametrically opposed, but I have a tremendous amount of respect for you as a poster.  You are honest, have integrity, and are calling a spade a spade.  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

A layer of crabs chilled in ice water (so the legs and claws stay on - and combined with the vents effectively cools the steam room), a thin layer of dry mustard, a healthy layer of JO#2,  a layer of pretzel salt - "live" steam, 25 minutes for a half pot or less, 35 minutes for a full pot (four and a half bushel), promptly unclogging the pot's drain  (by sound), ignoring the owner that tells you that a customer complained because of too much of something a few minutes after telling you another customer complained about too little - from the same pot, and whatever you do don't do too many too soon as nothing is worst than having orders coming in and all the pots cluttered with cold stuff.  Oh, the memories.    

RIP "Boss Lady"

Great stuff, man, thanks for that.

 

[Guest]

I've been watching the news waiting to hear about the mass resignations from all the FBI guys that you swore were going to resign. 

When is that happening?  Can you check with your "inside" sources?  

Give it a few days.  The fact that there is widespread dissent broke yesterday.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Give it a few days.  The fact that there is widespread dissent broke yesterday.

The fact agents had to sign an NDA threatening them with punishment for violating it by revealing confidential information about a woman who just faced zero punishment for violating an NDA threatening punishment for revealing confidential information has to be somewhat burning.

It would be a shame if they unintentionally just left that information out in the open for the sake of convenience. Or maybe it would not be viewed the same way.

 

[cobalt_27]

Nothing to see here 

Nothing except the product of a compromised candidate so many of you swore up and down would connect with the people and easily beat Trump.  The DNC shoved Hillary down everyone's throats, ignoring all her immense flaws, and now we get the prospect of Trump.  

Great job, idiots.

 

[Guest]

Nothing to see here 

Nothing except the product of a compromised candidate so many of you swore up and down would connect with the people and easily beat Trump.  The DNC shoved Hillary down everyone's throats, ignoring all her immense flaws, and now we get the prospect of Trump.  

Great job, idiots.

This.

 

[Jayrok]

I don't think I'd want to have a beer with either of them

Oh no..  I would love to sit and have a beer with Hillary Clinton. Trump seems like he's a jerk..  don't want to see him after several beers.  But Hillary..  definitely yes.  But she's a hoot when she's loosened up.  

 

[Guest]

Oh no..  I would love to sit and have a beer with Hillary Clinton. Trump seems like he's a jerk..  don't want to see him after several beers.  But Hillary..  definitely yes.  But she's a hoot when she's loosened up.  

I actually agree with this.  In a pure social setting, if Hillary weren't on guard and loosened up, I have no doubt she'd be fantastic to be around.  Of course -- that would never happen.  

 

[Jayrok]

I don't want her to be the president, but I think she'd be fun to hang around with... as long as her dip#### husband isn't around.  

 

[Guest]

I'm not holding out hope, but in re-reading Congrsssional transcripts, I find it unlikely and difficult to prove definitively that Hillary knew she was lying about all work related emails being turned over (although come on, she did!)  

However, when she said her attorneys reviewed all of her emails, she's caught if it is investigated properly...  Because she had to backtrack from that claim to the FBI because it would mean she allowed access to those without clearance.  Comey stated to Congress that her attorneys did not review all of her emails.  I wonder if Hillary admitted such in her interview?

It appears this exposes that fact definitely as a lie -- not just something that was untrue, but a purposeful lie that qualifies as perjury.  

..and we can add lying to Congress under oath to the list of her transgressions.

 

[shader]

Nothing to see here 

Nothing except the product of a compromised candidate so many of you swore up and down would connect with the people and easily beat Trump.  The DNC shoved Hillary down everyone's throats, ignoring all her immense flaws, and now we get the prospect of Trump.  

Great job, idiots.

I have no idea why Bernie isn't running 3rd party.  I honestly think he could win as an Independent.

 

[TobiasFunke]

The "everything is terrible and it's everyone's fault but mine" shtick is pretty silly.

Set aside for a moment the fact that these polls are hopefully an expected blip due to a bad week for Clinton and a good one for Trump (just like in late May when he briefly had a lead). How about taking a little ownership?  You have a vote and a voice just like anyone else. Maybe instead of using your voice to constantly spread insane conspiracy theories and sleazy tabloid dreck about the Clintons from Radar Online and Breitbart, use it to support the only candidate who can prevent a Trump presidency and convincing other holdouts to do the same, just as your hero Bernie Sanders is doing.

That is assuming you don't want a Trump presidency. If you do I'm not sure what you're whining about in the first place. I know you don't like Clinton but any decent human being understands that she's vastly preferable to Trump.  You know the old saying "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" ? If this case feel free to amend it to "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the not totally disastrous and bigoted and dangerous and awful" if you like.

 

[shader]

Oh no..  I would love to sit and have a beer with Hillary Clinton. Trump seems like he's a jerk..  don't want to see him after several beers.  But Hillary..  definitely yes.  But she's a hoot when she's loosened up.  

I'm the exact opposite.  Aside from the fact that neither of these two would be caught dead eating with regular folks, Hilary is a life-long politician, and she's an old lady.  I doubt she would be fun at all.  Trump would have a lot more stories to tell and would be more engaging.

Obama would be ten times more fun to hang with than either of these two clowns.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm not holding out hope, but in re-reading Congrsssional transcripts, I find it unlikely and difficult to prove definitively that Hillary knew she was lying about all work related emails being turned ove (although come on, she did!)  However, when she said her attorneys reviewed all of her emails, she's caught if it is investigated properly...  Because she had to backtrack from that claim to the FBI because it would mean she allowed access to those without clearance.  Comey stated to Congress that her attorneys did not review all of her emails.  I wonder if Hillary admitted such in her interview?

It appears this exposes that fact definitely as a lie -- not just something that was untrue, but a purposeful lie that qualifies as perjury.  

Roger Clemens was brought all the way to trial for lying to Congress IIRC. He won of course but the point is just like anything with the FBI if they want to prosecute you they do, if they don't - and Hillary's not the only person I've seen protected - they don't. 

Somewhere in here I posted Hillary's testimony on her emails and really as we know now and knew then it was all a pile of maneur. I think the one that got me was the outta nowhere claim that 90% of her emails had been captured at State. When challenged on that she gave the ol' "I'll get back to ya" response. 

To me the most obvious piece of evidence would be the list of search terms she used to destroy data. I don't think people even need to look at testimony or interview notes, that will tell people everything she intentionally sought to destroy. To me that's a public document and it should be made public, I take it the wheels of power will never allow it to be shown.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I have no idea why Bernie isn't running 3rd party.  I honestly think he could win as an Independent.

The Green Party offered him their nomination.

 

[shader]

The "everything is terrible and it's everyone's fault but mine" shtick is pretty silly.

Set aside for a moment the fact that these polls are hopefully an expected blip due to a bad week for Clinton and a good one for Trump (just like in late May when he briefly had a lead). How about taking a little ownership?  You have a vote and a voice just like anyone else. Maybe instead of using your voice to constantly spread insane conspiracy theories and sleazy tabloid dreck about the Clintons from Radar Online and Breitbart, use it to support the only candidate who can prevent a Trump presidency and convincing other holdouts to do the same, just as your hero Bernie Sanders is doing.

That is assuming you don't want a Trump presidency. If you do I'm not sure what you're whining about in the first place. I know you don't like Clinton but any decent human being understands that she's vastly preferable to Trump.  You know the old saying "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" ? If this case feel free to amend it to "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the not totally disastrous and bigoted and dangerous and awful" if you like.

 

[Jayrok]

Obama would be ten times more fun to hang with than either of these two clowns.

Oh good lord no.  You drink with Obama, I'll drink with Hillary.  I'm not interested in her politics.  The whole thing is hypothetical with the caveat being she isn't in campaign or politician mode.  I want her to loosen up and let her hair down.  

 

[tommyGunZ]

Nothing to see here 

Nothing except the product of a compromised candidate so many of you swore up and down would connect with the people and easily beat Trump.  The DNC shoved Hillary down everyone's throats, ignoring all her immense flaws, and now we get the prospect of Trump.  

Great job, idiots.

OMG, you guys were right!  Trump won!

Oh yeah, it's early July.

 

[shader]

Oh good lord no.  You drink with Obama, I'll drink with Hillary.  I'm not interested in her politics.  The whole thing is hypothetical with the caveat being she isn't in campaign or politician mode.  I want her to loosen up and let her hair down.  

At least with Obama, he'd talk sports, zing other politicians, tell funny jokes, he'd be great to listen to.

What could Hilary offer?  At best, she'd drink a few beers and start divulging state secrets........ok maybe I'll choose Hilary.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I have no idea why Bernie isn't running 3rd party.  I honestly think he could win as an Independent.

Then you don't understand how this works.  

 

[timschochet]

OMG, you guys were right!  Trump won!

Oh yeah, it's early July.

It's also Rassmussen. 

 

[Jayrok]

At least with Obama, he'd talk sports, zing other politicians, tell funny jokes, he'd be great to listen to.

What could Hilary offer?  At best, she'd drink a few beers and start divulging state secrets........ok maybe I'll choose Hilary.

sports, funny jokes?  yeesh.  Not interested in that conversation with any politician.  Hillary is older than me but not by too many years.  Stay out of my fantasy!   

 

[Guest]

I have no idea why Bernie isn't running 3rd party.  I honestly think he could win as an Independent.

Because his votes would come disproportionately at the expense of Clinton, increasing the chances of a Trump win.  Push comes to shove, anyone even slightly right-leaning is not voting for a Democratic Socialist.  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's also Rassmussen. 

I think the thing to do with Ras is watch the trends against itself, it's a baseline and right now it's going down for Hillary just like the NYT.

 

[Guest]

OMG, you guys were right!  Trump won!

Oh yeah, it's early July.

You're missing the point.  I think Hillary eeks out a win, but it needn't have been this close, it needn't have been so divisive, we needn't have been so sorrowfully disappointed as a nation in this candidate -- had several layers of corruption not been in place, and this flawed human forced on us.  

 

[Guest]

OMG, you guys were right!  Trump won!

Oh yeah, it's early July.

You're missing the point.  I think Hillary eeks out a win, but it needn't have been this close, it needn't have been so divisive, we needn't have been so sorrowfully disappointed as a nation in this candidate -- had several layers of corruption not been in place, and this flawed human forced on us.  

 

[tommyGunZ]

Roger Clemens was brought all the way to trial for lying to Congress IIRC. He won of course but the point is just like anything with the FBI if they want to prosecute you they do, if they don't - and Hillary's not the only person I've seen protected - they don't. 

Somewhere in here I posted Hillary's testimony on her emails and really as we know now and knew then it was all a pile of maneur. I think the one that got me was the outta nowhere claim that 90% of her emails had been captured at State. When challenged on that she gave the ol' "I'll get back to ya" response. 

To me the most obvious piece of evidence would be the list of search terms she used to destroy data. I don't think people even need to look at testimony or interview notes, that will tell people everything she intentionally sought to destroy. To me that's a public document and it should be made public, I take it the wheels of power will never allow it to be shown.

Comey stated that Hillary and her attorneys were fully cooperative and there was no intent to obstruct.  I'm fairly certain they looked at the search terms and deemed them appropriate.  

This is the epitome of a conspiracy theorist refusing to accept the facts.  

 

[timschochet]

Comey stated that Hillary and her attorneys were fully cooperative and there was no intent to obstruct.  I'm fairly certain they looked at the search terms and deemed them appropriate.  

This is the epitome of a conspiracy theorist refusing to accept the facts.  

He's been that way all along. Several of them have. Their hatred for Hillary blinds them to reason and logic. 

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Here is a new CBS/NYT poll:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-poll.html?_r=0

Listen, Hillary is going to win this election rather easily but just some amazing #'s in this poll:

• 67% do not view Hillary as honest or trustworthy (62% for Trump)
  
• 28% of voters have a positive view of Hillary (30% for Trump)
  

 

[Guest]

Comey stated that Hillary and her attorneys were fully cooperative and there was no intent to obstruct.  I'm fairly certain they looked at the search terms and deemed them appropriate.  

This is the epitome of a conspiracy theorist refusing to accept the facts.  

He also said her attorneys DID NOT review the majority of her emails.  In sworn testimony, Hillary said they reviewed ALL of it.  Perjury.  

It's a rock and hard place for her.  Did you allow access to classified data to those without clearance?  (Felony under 793(f))  Or did you perjur yourself?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Settle down guys, I've been assured nobody cares about her damn emails. And even if you don't believe that she's still our best hope at beating Donald Trump. And her dishonest and untrustworthy numbers will surely go down. And if you don't hop on board the Hilltrain you're just as bad as a Trump voter.

Why don't you be more like the candidate you admire and campaign for her?

Because we have a gag reflex.

Well then don't whine about it and call everyone else idiots as if it's something you've been subjected to that you can't do anything about?

 

[tommyGunZ]

He also said her attorneys DID NOT review the majority of her emails.  In sworn testimony, Hillary said they reviewed ALL of it.  Perjury.  

It's a rock and hard place for her of pursued.  Did you allow access to classified data to those without clearance?  (Felony under 793(f))  Or did you perjur yourself?

It's not a rock or a hard place. 

Would you care to make a wager on the outcome?  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Comey stated that Hillary and her attorneys were fully cooperative and there was no intent to obstruct.  I'm fairly certain they looked at the search terms and deemed them appropriate.  

This is the epitome of a conspiracy theorist refusing to accept the facts.  

Then make them public.