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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (8 Viewers)

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roadkill1292 said:
My apologies if this thought has been broached before (I'm voting for the old gal but I'm not interested enough to hang in there through 1000+ pages of posts, surely 25% of which belong to tim) but, imagining a Democratic Party where a representative number of party leaders gathered to select the candidate, without the use of binding primaries, would Hillary have been the party's 2016 selection?
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Against the guys who actually sought the nomination? Yes. If, say, Joe Biden had wanted the job? Probably not IMO.

 
roadkill1292 said:
My apologies if this thought has been broached before (I'm voting for the old gal but I'm not interested enough to hang in there through 1000+ pages of posts, surely 25% of which belong to tim) but, imagining a Democratic Party where a representative number of party leaders gathered to select the candidate, without the use of binding primaries, would Hillary have been the party's 2016 selection?
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All the old democrats want Hillary because they owe Bill so much.  It is the younger and indeed the future of the party that want candidates like Bernie.

 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
All the old democrats want Hillary because they owe Bill so much.  It is the younger and indeed the future of the party that want candidates like Bernie.
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I'd agree that younger voters wanted Bernie. But as far as the party goes, Bernie isn't / wasn't ever really a Democrat; I don't think that they wanted him at all. The edge in endorsements was absolutely overwhelming in Hillary's favor. Hillary lines up much better with the majority of Democrats on policy also. It is us, as voters, will drag them back left out of the center if it's going to happen.

 
roadkill1292 said:
My apologies if this thought has been broached before (I'm voting for the old gal but I'm not interested enough to hang in there through 1000+ pages of posts, surely 25% of which belong to tim) but, imagining a Democratic Party where a representative number of party leaders gathered to select the candidate, without the use of binding primaries, would Hillary have been the party's 2016 selection?
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I think Biden would have been the nominee if he decided to run. I think most thought it was Hillary's turn.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
All the old democrats want Hillary because they owe Bill so much.  It is the younger and indeed the future of the party that want candidates like Bernie.
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I'd agree that younger voters wanted Bernie. But as far as the party goes, Bernie isn't / wasn't ever really a Democrat; I don't think that they wanted him at all. The edge in endorsements was absolutely overwhelming in Hillary's favor. Hillary lines up much better with the majority of Democrats on policy also. It is us, as voters, will drag them back left out of the center if it's going to happen.
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:goodposting:   And it's not going to be easy.  This is why looking at your state/local levels is so important.

 
I wasn't even thinking of Bernie when I proposed the hypothetical. I was mostly wondering, with her fairly high unfavorable numbers, if the party leaders having the final say would have chosen someone else. Biden is certainly an interesting alternative; how do we think he would have been doing against The Donald about now?

 
roadkill1292 said:
I wasn't even thinking of Bernie when I proposed the hypothetical. I was mostly wondering, with her fairly high unfavorable numbers, if the party leaders having the final say would have chosen someone else. Biden is certainly an interesting alternative; how do we think he would have been doing against The Donald about now?
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I can't think of a scenario where the establishment didn't prop Hillary up unless a Biden (or someone similar) was part of the equation

 
The Commish said:
I can't think of a scenario where the establishment didn't prop Hillary up unless a Biden (or someone similar) was part of the equation
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I'm not really sure that I'm understanding what you're saying. My question was, had Biden been the choice via a different selection process, how would he be doing right now against Trump?

I should also pose this no-primary hypothetical in the Trump thread re: the GOP.

 
roadkill1292 said:
I'm not really sure that I'm understanding what you're saying. My question was, had Biden been the choice via a different selection process, how would he be doing right now against Trump?

I should also pose this no-primary hypothetical in the Trump thread re: the GOP.
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sorry....thought you were speaking of the primaries.  I think it probably depends on who they selected of the people willing to run.  Biden, by most accounts, wasn't interested.  The answer to your question is probably Hillary being the floor, with someone else not being any worse....remains to be seen if they'd have been better, if that makes any sense.

 
The Commish said:
sorry....thought you were speaking of the primaries.  I think it probably depends on who they selected of the people willing to run.  Biden, by most accounts, wasn't interested.  The answer to your question is probably Hillary being the floor, with someone else not being any worse....remains to be seen if they'd have been better, if that makes any sense.
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It's ok to speculate. My question called specifically for speculation since it was only a hypothetical.

In the far off crevices of my brain, I'm ruminating about the major parties eliminating the primary/caucus system. 

 
squistion said:
Swing states all :pickle:

Steve Koczela ‏@skoczela 5h5 hours ago

State poll today...

Michigan:

Clinton 41%

Trump 32%

New Hampshire:

Clinton 47%

Trump 32%

Pennsylvania:

Clinton 49%

Trump 38%
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- The PA really ought to take the wind out of the Trump campaign and Trumpites everywhere. He's burned all his bridges everywhere else outside staking his fortunes on the white, blue collar working male.

 
Say what you will about conspiracies, there is a stunning trail of dead bodies around Hillary in the last few weeks.

DNC Director Seth Rich shot to death.  http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-Shot-Killed-in-Northwest-DC-386316391.html

These past couple days, it was a prominent anti-Hillary researcher said to have taken his own life,

https://americanfreepress.net/prominent-afp-clinton-researcher-found-dead/

...and the attorney who served the DNC and DWS with lawsuits in July. 

http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/04/dnc-lawsuit-process-server-shawn-lucas-has-died/

Then there was the guy who was set to testify against Hillary in a fraud case that died of a weight-lifting accident in his home.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/former-u-n-official-died-in-weight-lifting-accident-autopsy-reveals-1466718703

And this just in, DNC staffer and Kaine's Aide found dead at 47.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/joe-montano-filipino-american-activist-and-aide-to-sen-kaine-dies-at-47/2016/08/01/65cbf248-57ea-11e6-9aee-8075993d73a2_story.html

I'm just saying it's a coincidence -- particularly the guy who served the DNC.  Look at the video.  Young, seems healthy. 

:tinfoilhat:

 
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Clinton said. “Well, we’re not going there, my friends. I’m telling you, right now - we’re going to write fairer rules for the middle class and we are going to raise taxes on the middle class!” The crowd appeared not to notice the presumable slip of the tongue, and went on cheering

JFC, This old bag doesn't even know what is coming out of her mouth.

Actually it appears to be we 'aren't' but you have to listen to it a few times. It was like she wasn't sure whether she should say are or aren't because she forgot who she was talking about.

 
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The Commish said:
sorry....thought you were speaking of the primaries.  I think it probably depends on who they selected of the people willing to run.  Biden, by most accounts, wasn't interested.  The answer to your question is probably Hillary being the floor, with someone else not being any worse....remains to be seen if they'd have been better, if that makes any sense.
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I don't assume he wasn't interested but rather knew the Party favored Hillary and he didn't stand a chance against her and the DNC.  Think he would have beat Trump as Hillary will but without the drama.

 
Mr. Ham said:
Say what you will about conspiracies, there is a stunning trail of dead bodies around Hillary in the last few weeks.

Dem staffer Seth Rich shot to death.  http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-Shot-Killed-in-Northwest-DC-386316391.html

These past couple days, it was a prominent anti-Hillary researcher said to have taken his own life,

https://americanfreepress.net/prominent-afp-clinton-researcher-found-dead/

...and the attorney who served the DNC and DWS with lawsuits in July. 

http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/04/dnc-lawsuit-process-server-shawn-lucas-has-died/

Then there was the guy who was set to testify against Hillary in a fraud case that died of a weight-lifting accident in his home.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/former-u-n-official-died-in-weight-lifting-accident-autopsy-reveals-1466718703

And this just in, Kaine's Aide found dead at 47.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/joe-montano-filipino-american-activist-and-aide-to-sen-kaine-dies-at-47/2016/08/01/65cbf248-57ea-11e6-9aee-8075993d73a2_story.html

I'm just saying it's a coincidence -- particularly the guy who served the DNC.  Look at the video.  Young, seems healthy. 

:tinfoilhat:
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So you believe that Hillary Clinton had a process server (not an attorney) killed for improperly serving a complaint on the DNC?  The tinfoil hat smiley is woefully insufficient for how bat#### crazy you sound. 

 
roadkill1292 said:
It's ok to speculate. My question called specifically for speculation since it was only a hypothetical.

In the far off crevices of my brain, I'm ruminating about the major parties eliminating the primary/caucus system. 
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Yeah, I don't think they'd ever do that (though I never say never with these yahoos).  That gives up WAY too much power for the establishment's liking 

 
cstu said:
I don't assume he wasn't interested but rather knew the Party favored Hillary and he didn't stand a chance against her and the DNC.  Think he would have beat Trump as Hillary will but without the drama.
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In all fairness, a chimpanzee, Justin Bieber, or the barely warmed-up corpse of Ted Kennedy could likely beat the orange ####stain that the Republicans nominated this year.

 
HellToupee said:
What the hell , she said she's if going to RAISE TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS

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You demand A Safe Haven For POSITIVE People in your Trump thread to block any criticism of your hero, but then you come into the Hillary thread and post misleading crap like this. Hypocrite.

And for the record, Snopes debunked the claim that she said she will raise taxes on the middle class as it may have been an error in the audio, she didn't fully enunciate the ending of "aren't" or she simply misspoke:

http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/04/hillary-clinton-raise-taxes/

Social media users sharing this video offered it as evidence that Clinton had actually promised to raise taxes on "the middle class but not the rich," that she had changed her tax platform, and/or that she had let loose with a Freudian slip and accidentally revealed the truth of what she was really thinking.

Some viewers defended Clinton by saying that the clip had been edited, but it was not. The footage was taken from a speech Clinton delivered during a campaign stop in Omaha, Nebraska, on 1 August 2016:  (video at link):

Given the context of her statement and the audience's positive reaction to it, it appears that Clinton actually said "we aren't going to raise taxes on the middle class," but either she didn't fully enunciate the ending of the word "aren't" or the word didn't come through clearly on the audio recording (or both). Worst case, she simply misspoke and said "are" when she meant "aren't," because she has not announced any changes to her tax platform or said on any other occasion that she plans to raise taxes on the middle class and not the wealthy

 
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cstu said:
I don't assume he wasn't interested but rather knew the Party favored Hillary and he didn't stand a chance against her and the DNC.  Think he would have beat Trump as Hillary will but without the drama.
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Yeah, I didn't know how to say it better.  Had they gone beyond the primaries and he was just appointed, I'm sure it would have been a tougher decision for him.  Still not sure he'd have done it, but if he had, I don't think there's a question he would have destroyed Trump.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
So you believe that Hillary Clinton had a process server (not an attorney) killed for improperly serving a complaint on the DNC?  The tinfoil hat smiley is woefully insufficient for how bat#### crazy you sound. 
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I'm not saying that.  You commonly hear about the "Clinton body count" and I don't subscribe. 

It's just odd is all.  DNC is a small organization.  Both Rich and Kaine's aide worked there.  

Ever work on a small office where multiple people die suddenly and at a young age?  It would be extremely notable.  

Other deaths just odd. Guy facing fraud charges set to testify.  Guy who just served the DNC.  It's just odd.

You would expect these kinds of  anomalies to be equally distributed across other political offices, or surrounding other candidates.

They aren't. 

 
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Just saw the first Hillary ad in Texas.  It's the "our children are watching ad" and it's pretty good, mostly because trump is so so bad. 

 
Mr. Ham said:
I'm not saying that.  You commonly hear about the "Clinton body count" and I don't subscribe. 

It's just odd is all.  DNC is a small organization.  Both Rich and Kaine's aide worked there.  

Ever work on a small office where multiple people die suddenly and at a young age?  It would be extremely notable.  

Other deaths just odd. Guy facing fraud charges set to testify.  Guy who just served the DNC.  It's just odd.

You would expect these kindsof anomalies to be equally distributed across other political offices, or surrounding other candidates.

They aren't. 
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So, are you saying Hillary is a dementor?

 
Mr. Ham said:
I'm not saying that.  You commonly hear about the "Clinton body count" and I don't subscribe. 

It's just odd is all.  DNC is a small organization.  Both Rich and Kaine's aide worked there.  

Ever work on a small office where multiple people die suddenly and at a young age?  It would be extremely notable.  

Other deaths just odd. Guy facing fraud charges set to testify.  Guy who just served the DNC.  It's just odd.

You would expect these kindsof anomalies to be equally distributed across other political offices, or surrounding other candidates.

They aren't. 
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So disingenuous. "I don't subscribe to the Clinton body count allegations, but I keep bringing it up because it just seems odd to me". :rolleyes:

 
squistion said:
So disingenuous. "I don't subscribe to the Clinton body count allegations, but I keep bringing it up because it just seems odd to me". :rolleyes:
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It's odd.  You don't see an analogue of 5 people in a month or two connected to Trump fraud or the DNC suddenly dropping dead.  It's just not something you hear. 

You don't think it's at all strange?

 
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Abraham said:
Just saw the first Hillary ad in Texas.  It's the "our children are watching ad" and it's pretty good, mostly because trump is so so bad. 
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It's absolutely insane that a Democratic Presidential candidate is spending money to run ads in freaking Texas in early August. Tells you just how confident the campaign is that they are going for the sweep / landslide / mandate win this early in the game. This. Race. Is. Over.

 
chauncey said:
She is going to embarrass herself if she makes it to the debates (between her health and the upcoming Wikileaks I put her chances of participating in the debates at about 30%).

The anti-Trump media surge makes a lot more sense now. They are trying to scare him into dropping out so she doesn't humiliate herself onstage. 
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Yeah, right. :lol:

 
chauncey said:
Hillary freezes in fear as PETA protesters hold up a sign. 

https://twitter.com/ericdemamp/status/761299259513720833

https://twitter.com/CDReed/status/761292622002475008

She is going to embarrass herself if she makes it to the debates (between her health and the upcoming Wikileaks I put her chances of participating in the debates at about 30%).

The anti-Trump media surge makes a lot more sense now. They are trying to scare him into dropping out so she doesn't humiliate herself onstage. 
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Sorry, but that's terrifying.  I can't imagine being a candidate and seeing a group hide behind a giant banner.  You have no idea what they're doing back there.  Could launch anything.  Good on those agents and no problem whatsoever with her concern.  

 
chauncey said:
Hillary freezes in fear as PETA protesters hold up a sign. 

https://twitter.com/ericdemamp/status/761299259513720833

https://twitter.com/CDReed/status/761292622002475008

She is going to embarrass herself if she makes it to the debates (between her health and the upcoming Wikileaks I put her chances of participating in the debates at about 30%).

The anti-Trump media surge makes a lot more sense now. They are trying to scare him into dropping out so she doesn't humiliate herself onstage. 
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What the heck? She barely flinches...Meanwhile, Trump gets freaked out by a mosquito flying in front of his face

 
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