Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (3 Viewers)

[urbanhack]

You should definitely leave the country if she's elected.  For your own safety.  

most classic liberals will do just that!

 

[Joe Summer]

ACTUAL things said by Trump.

IMAGINED things that are wrong with Clinton.

 

[msommer]

Yes, after the CIA thing and after he undefected and after was welcomed back to Iran as a hero due to his CIA kidnapping cover story, he got arrested.

What triggered the arrest, we can only speculate, but having the SoS emails unsecured leaves open the possibility that is where his story fell apart.  He could have been tripped up by any number of things, but that definitely would have been an area of vulnerability.

Here's a story from July 14th, 2010, note there is a quote from Hillary Clinton in it

Exclusive: Iranian Nuke Scientist Is En Route to Iran

• 
  By BRIAN ROSS
• MATTHEW COLE
• AVNI PATEL
• NATALIE GEWARGIS
•  
  

July 14, 2010

•  
  
•  
  
•  
  

ABC News
Iranian defector Shahram Amiri is escorted onto a flight to Qatar Tuesday night by Pakistani and U.S. officials, en route to Iran. The nuclear scientist, who says he was abducted by the U.S., turned up at the Iranian interests section of the Pakistani embassy in Washington Monday and asked to return to Iran. The U.S. denies that he was ever held against his will.more +

• 51SHARES
  
•  
  
•  
  
•  
  
• 
  Email

The CIA has lost one of its most valued former spies.

Iranian nuclear scientist Shahram Amiri, who defected to the US, is now on his way back home to Tehran after a very messy and public re-defection.

ABC News obtained exclusive photos of Amiri leaving Washington's Dulles International Airport late Tuesday night on a commercial flight to Doha, Qatar, en route to Iran.

Amiri was escorted directly to the jetway entrance by a security officer. He was flanked by what appeared to be a U.S. official and a representative from the Pakistani Embassy in Washington._He boarded the Qatar Airways flight ahead of the other passengers, and spoke only to his companions.

After more than a year in the US, Amiri claimed he had never really defected. In a series of videos released on the internet, he insisted that he had been kidnapped, drugged and tortured by the CIA.


Play
Nuclear Scientist Shahram Amiri Returns to Iran
 
The US flatly denies that it ever held Amiri against his will.

"Let me say that Mr. Amiri has been in the United States of his own free will," said Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. "And he is free to go."

Clinton said that Amiri was actually scheduled to travel to Iran on Monday "but was unable to make all the of the necessary arrangements to reach Iran through transit countries."

U.S. officials tell ABC News that Amiri defected in the spring of 2009 after working for several years for the CIA while still inside the Iranian nuclear program.

But officials say that after Amiri was re-located to Tucson, Arizona he began to have second thoughts.

In a battle of videos posted on YouTube, first by the Iranians and then the CIA, Amiri changed his story three times.

First, he told Iranian TV via computer phone he had been kidnapped.

Then, in a CIA-produced video, Amiri said he was happy to be in the US.

Later, he again claimed he was trying to elude US agents so he could be reunited with his wife and son in Iran.

 
"In case anything happens to me or if I do not make it back home safely, the responsibility will solely rest on the officials of the United States," Amiri said in one of the videos.

CLICK HERE and HERE TO SEE AMIRI'S MOST RECENT VIDEOS IN ENGLISH

"This happens all the time," said Bob Baer, a former CIA officer who worked in the Middle East. "Defectors come up with a good idea to make a lot of money, and then once the boredom sets in and the loneliness, they want to get back in touch with the family. They realize it was a huge mistake."


Amiri Leaves for Iran, Americans Still Held by Iranians


On Monday evening Amiri showed up in Washington, DC at the Iranian interest section of the Pakistani embassy. Because the US and Iran do not have full diplomatic relations, Iran does not maintain its own embassy in Washington.

Before his flight home, Amiri told Iranian television he had finally escaped from the hands of US intelligence, something US intelligence officials say he had to say to avoid being imprisoned or executed upon his return to Tehran.

"If they want to keep up the pretense that he was kidnapped," said Baer, "I think they'll probably keep him alive. I think they'll give him a couple of years as a public hero. After that I can't tell you."

CLICK HERE to follow the ABC News Investigative Team's coverage on Twitter.

The case of the returned defector allows the US to again ask Iran to release the three young American hikers it is holding as spies, as well as to raise the issue of former FBI agent Robert Levinson, who has been missing in Iran for three years.

I've bolded a highly interesting passage.

Link to the story - nothing really disappears from the google...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

...

In other news, Hillary has another "short circuit" today:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NlxWckQbpug

And to the surprise of nobody Google and Twitter have been censoring trends and content all day pointing out Hillary's failing health.

This (among other things) is what gets me about Trump. - What is Trump going to do with this? Anything? Is he going to mention it in stump speeches? Is he going to make a point of demanding her medical records? Is he going to release his to make Hillary look bad until she releases hers? No, he's not going to do anything. The points his own supporters make just go into the ether. There is no campaign to do anything with this.

 

[Rove!]

This (among other things) is what gets me about Trump. - What is Trump going to do with this? Anything? Is he going to mention it in stump speeches? Is he going to make a point of demanding her medical records? Is he going to release his to make Hillary look bad until she releases hers? No, he's not going to do anything. The points his own supporters make just go into the ether. There is no campaign to do anything with this.

This is the type of whisper campaign best left to the underbelly until it reaches critical mass.

another episode or two or another " insider" report or some mainstream coverage may trigger the candidate to say something. 

 

[MaxThreshold]

Seriously, she paused for a thought...She didn't have a stroke...People are really grasping for straws since Trump has nothing else

This is so stupid, you could probably make videos twice as bad with Trump

If he was seriously as bad as HRC, then you don't think someone would have done this already?  With the media covering for HRC don't you think they would have already been on it since they are actively working against Trump?

 

[The General]

I appreciate your effort but you are wasting your breath. The FFA makes Democratic Underground look moderate.

In other news, Hillary has another "short circuit" today:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NlxWckQbpug

And to the surprise of nobody Google and Twitter have been censoring trends and content all day pointing out Hillary's failing health.

 

50 republican heavy hitters completely destroy Donald today but you have this.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Spoke too soon... polling average has run out to 8.3% with today's batch accounted for.

Betting markets haven't really gone too crazy though.  Looking only at a H2H matchup it's something like Clinton 75/25 Trump.  So far they've been reluctant to move much past 3/1 and 1/3.

 

[Joe Summer]

Rove?:

What triggered the arrest, we can only speculate, but having the SoS emails unsecured leaves open the possibility that is where his story fell apart. He could have been tripped up by any number of things, but that definitely would have been an area of vulnerability.

The state department publicly called him a spy in 2010. Nothing in Hillary's emails would have contradicted that. His "story" fell apart before he even left for Iran

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I actually didn't even know about the AutoModerator thing. I thought we were just mocking all the innuendo-based attacks on the Clintons.

But seriously, if Trump did give money to NAMBLA, that would be bad.

 

[badmojo1006]

I actually didn't even know about the AutoModerator thing. I thought we were just mocking all the innuendo-based attacks on the Clintons.

But seriously, if Trump did give money to NAMBLA, that would be bad.

If he did give money, would his die-hard supporters abandon him?

 

[Rove!]

Rove?:
 

The state department publicly called him a spy in 2010. Nothing in Hillary's emails would have contradicted that. His "story" fell apart before he even left for Iran

Hence welcoming him back as a hero...  

 

[squistion]

Josh Barro ‏@jbarro 1h1 hour ago

Many people are saying Donald Trump won't release his taxes because they show donations to NAMBLA.

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 1h1 hour ago

Many people are saying that the Iranians killed the scientist who helped the U.S. because of Hillary Clinton's hacked emails.

 

[Joe Summer]

Hence welcoming him back as a hero...

You act like a terroristic dictatorship would never put on show for the cameras.

The problem with your logic is that it requires a person to believe that:

1. Iran (or one of its allies) hacked Hillary's server sometime between June 2010 and 2012 (but not before June 2010), AND;
2. the hack revealed damning information about Amiri that wasn't already made public, AND;
3. this information somehow wasn't part of the email dump in 2016 (otherwise it would be on WikiLeaks), AND;
4. Iran decided to completely ignore this information until July 2016, when they suddenly decided to execute Amiri.

 

[msommer]

You act like a terroristic dictatorship would never put on show for the cameras.

The problem with your logic is that it requires a person to believe that:

1. Iran (or one of its allies) hacked Hillary's server sometime between June 2010 and 2012 (but not before June 2010), AND;
2. the hack revealed damning information about Amiri that wasn't already made public, AND;
3. this information somehow wasn't part of the email dump in 2016 (otherwise it would be on WikiLeaks), AND;
4. Iran decided to completely ignore this information until July 2016, when they suddenly decided to execute Amiri.

Give it up Joe, this is all fact to the people who also believe in the Clinton Body Count, the Birther conspiracy and likely chemtrails as well

 

[Joe Summer]

Mental gymnastics and pictures of stairs.

 

[-fish-]

Give it up Joe, this is all fact to the people who also believe in the Clinton Body Count, the Birther conspiracy and likely chemtrails as well

chemtrails are real, man.

 

[Rove!]

You act like a terroristic dictatorship would never put on show for the cameras.

The problem with your logic is that it requires a person to believe that:

1. Iran (or one of its allies) hacked Hillary's server sometime between June 2010 and 2012 (but not before June 2010), AND;
2. the hack revealed damning information about Amiri that wasn't already made public, AND;
3. this information somehow wasn't part of the email dump in 2016 (otherwise it would be on WikiLeaks), AND;
4. Iran decided to completely ignore this information until July 2016, when they suddenly decided to execute Amiri.

So your defense is that Iran was putting on a show by welcoming him and the Obama administration fell for it and allowed a CIA asset to go back to Iran to get interrogated and killed?  'Murica 

1. Likely hacked

4. Iran put him on trail several months after his return not in 2016...

 

[msommer]

So your defense is that Iran was putting on a show by welcoming him and the Obama administration fell for it and allowed a CIA asset to go back to Iran to get interrogated and killed?  'Murica 

1. Likely hacked

4. Iran put him on trail several months after his return not in 2016...

Asset? He was a liability ( /tone1loc)

When he decided to go home from the US he ceased to be an asset, and potentially earlier than that

 

[Guest]

It appears Hillary's entourage are ready with a Diazapem pen, for those with repeated seizures.  Remember the nothing story about how she reacted last week to protesters?  In fairness, I thought she reacted well.  But the guy on stage, who appeared to be Secret Service but may be a medic, misread the situation and removed the pen thinking her sudden silence may be a seizure.  She may very well be the best choice even with recurring seizures, but isn't it just so very Hillary to hide it and assume it can be dealt with after she wins?  

She has serious medical issues.  More baggage she totes.  

 

[squistion]

It appears Hillary's entourage are ready with a Diazapem pen, for those with repeated seizures.  Remember the nothing story about how she reacted last week to protesters?  In fairness, I thought she reacted well.  But the guy on stage, who appeared to be Secret Service but may be a medic, misread the situation and removed the pen thinking her sudden silence may be a seizure.  She may very well be the best choice even with recurring seizures, but isn't it just so very Hillary to hide it and assume it can be dealt with after she wins?  

She has serious medical issues.  More baggage she totes.  

And, obviously, so do you, to keep continually repeating nonsense like this after people have told you it makes you sound as if you are one taco short of a combination plate.  

 

[The Commish]

good to see the childishness between hillary and donald is leaking into their supporters....yeah us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  'MURICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <_<  

 

[Joe Summer]

So your defense is that Iran was putting on a show by welcoming him and the Obama administration fell for it and allowed a CIA asset to go back to Iran to get interrogated and killed? 'Murica

1. Likely hacked

4. Iran put him on trail several months after his return not in 2016...

I'm going to ignore the whole part about correlation not implying causation.

The fact is that the guy went public in 2010. He said he wanted to go home. What would you have Obama do? Force him to stay? Hold him hostage?? LOL We let him go, not just because it was the right thing to do, but because we didn't want to discourage future spies from giving us information.

Again, the flaw in your theory is that it assumes that Iran didn't know he was a spy. But that theory completely ignores the fact that we publicly called him a spy in 2010! Everyone knew it, especially Iran. And Amiri knew that Iran knew he was a spy. And yet he still wanted to go home. We even warned him of the risks and tried to convince him to stay, but he was adamant. Oh well, his loss (of life).

 

[Guest]

And, obviously, so do you, to keep continually repeating nonsense like this after people have told you it makes you sound as if you are one taco short of a combination plate.  

Here's the thing, Squis.  Most candidates you could just ask them, "Does your staff carry Diazapem?  Have you had recurring seizures?"  Not Hillary.  She's too tightly controlled, and a proven liar.

 

[squistion]

Here's the thing, Squis.  Most candidates you could just ask them, "Does your staff carry Diazapem?  Have you had recurring seizures?"  Not Hillary.  She's too tightly controlled, and a proven liar.

And, sorry to say it, but you are a sick puppy.

 

[Guest]

And, sorry to say it, but you are a sick puppy.

Are you convinced she isn't having seizures, or that it doesn't matter?

Why is her staff carrying Diazapem?  

 

[Slapdash]

I gotta say, a Hillary presidency would bring a lot of people to reality here.

1. The corruption. She'll rig the DNC and elections, like Mexico's IRP Party, to turn the USA into a corrupt one party state

2. The 1% wealth stuffing, using the USA debt as a credit card to get them all paid off

3. Hearing her voice every day, talking about how men and white people are the problem. Never anything good about those groups, thus becoming a generator of a black and white mentality that creates hate and anger.

4. A proxy/real war with Russia to distract us from the issues at home and to guarantee a 2nd term, ala George W Bush.

5. More continued destruction of the Middle East, Muslim lives and people constantly drone striked and murdered.

6. A full scale Correct the Record state. Where the NSA, Google, Facebook, and Twitter all work in concert to make sure it looks like Hillary is loved by all and if it wasn't for those scary Republicans, then things wouldn't be so bad. They would have total control over us.

7. Hillary appoints gun grabiing supreme court justices to make sure individual gun ownership goes the way of the dodo, and the War on Guns is formed, ala The War on Drugs, the imprisons people at will and increases the private prison state. Which funds Hillary.

8. A Health Care machine that leaves poor people without coverage, while the middle class is drained of the financial blood in their body by mega-corps and Big Pharma

9. The government would continue to create a system that makes it so people would have to go $100k+ in debt to go to college so they could work, colleges who are funded by the government and super wealthy, colleges that make sure students only think what they say or they'll be ostracized as a bigot out close minded. So goodbye to your grades, and say goodbye to any decent job.

10. An Open Borders system where Mexicans flow into the country, crippling jobs fro Mexican-Americans, African-Americans, Unions and The Poor, while being taught to blame white people for everything and thus adding to the Democrats and their monopoly on the voting majority.

11. Justices would be nominated who would view "free speech" the same way they view guns, as something that can be "curtailed" to make people safe. Hate speech laws would then be announced, which would be arbitrary and could change at anytime, would be decided by the government and mega-corps and then used to crush anyone who doesn't speak with the pre-approved ideology of the establishment. 

Hillary is a non-option as a candidate. At least with Trump there is a gamble that he's running shtick and this guy and this guy, is the real guy behind the mask. We know who Hillary is and we know where she's going, and there is nothing "positive" about where she could go. 

And that is nowhere good.

Maybe you should move to another country when she is elected.  Preferably one without internet

 

[squistion]

Sam Stein ‏@samsteinhp 24m24 minutes ago

Clinton campaign accepts the three presidential debates. Ball is now in Trump’s court

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Sam Stein ‏@samsteinhp 24m24 minutes ago

Clinton campaign accepts the three presidential debates. Ball is now in Trump’s court

Lemme guess Trump's gonna make the simple really complicated.

 

[badmojo1006]

Are you convinced she isn't having seizures, or that it doesn't matter?

Why is her staff carrying Diazapem?  

And I thought this election couldn't get any lower...i saw those pics of the "supposed" pen, it could be anything...There is no proof it is that. All they have is a fuzzy blowup where it could be anything

When did the GOP start channeling Infowars and try to make it mainstream>

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

And I thought this election couldn't get any lower...i saw those pics of the "supposed" pen, it could be anything...There is no proof it is that. All they have is a fuzzy blowup where it could be anything

When did the GOP start channeling Infowars and try to make it mainstream>

There's a lot of desperation to find something that will stick right now.

 

[squistion]

Tim has been unusually quite of late.

Last post was Saturday, and has been logging in since then, but not contributing.

Odd.

 

[ffldrew]

She's now reaching out to Kissinger and Condi for support and endorsements. Screw her if she does this. No true Democrat would do this with these war mongers.

 

[msommer]

Tim has been unusually quite of late.

Last post was Saturday, and has been logging in since then, but not contributing.

Odd.

he is on vacation

ETA: a real vacation, travelling and stuff

 

[Binky The Doormat]

What happened to this guy?

 

[badmojo1006]

She's now reaching out to Kissinger and Condi for support and endorsements. Screw her if she does this. No true Democrat would do this with these war mongers.

She is going for the beatdown...But I agree, neither one would be welcome. I would take Condi over Kissinger. He was just awful. But he is probably the one that will accept

 

[squistion]

She's now reaching out to Kissinger and Condi for support and endorsements. Screw her if she does this. No true Democrat would do this with these war mongers.

Sorry, no, Condoleezza "The smoking gun will be a mushroom cloud" Rice, is about the last person Hillary would ever want an endorsement from as it would relitigate her Iraqi war authorization vote and she does not want to go there after she admitted it was a mistake.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Sorry, no, Condoleezza "The smoking gun will be a mushroom cloud" Rice, is about the last person Hillary would ever want an endorsement from as it would relitigate her Iraqi war authorization vote and she does not want to go there after she admitted it was a mistake.

Note the original comment, it's a report that Hillary is actually doing this. The Kissinger part is totally consistent.

Yaknow there is little to no distance between Kissinger and the neocons. Hillary has declared her love for Kissinger and acknowledges she is a Scoop Jackson Democrat, which is nothing more that a precursor to the neocon.

Amazes me really you don't even blink an eye at the Kissinger part either.

Hillary has never acknowledged a mistake in her ideology when it comes to Iraq, like everything else with her she apologizes when she's caught and it's gone horribly bad against her favor.

 

[squistion]

Note the original comment, it's a report that Hillary is actually doing this. The Kissinger part is totally consistent.

Yaknow there is little to no distance between Kissinger and the neocons. Hillary has declared her love for Kissinger and acknowledges she is a Scoop Jackson Democrat, which is nothing more that a precursor to the neocon.

Amazes me really you don't even blink an eye at the Kissinger part either.

Hillary has never acknowledged a mistake in her ideology, like everything else with her she apologizes when she's caught and it's gone horribly bad against her favor.

No, it has not been verified that Hillary is actually doing this. Please. This is like your sources in the FBI for the emails.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-republican-elder-statesmen-kissinger-226680

A person close to Clinton said her team has sent out feelers to the GOP elders, although it wasn't clear if those efforts were preliminary or more formal requests for endorsement, or if they were undertaken through intermediaries. Clinton campaign aides did not respond when asked if they had solicited endorsements or tried to persuade the elders to speak out against Trump.

 
 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

No, it has not been verified that Hillary is actually doing this. Please. This is like your sources in the FBI for the emails.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-republican-elder-statesmen-kissinger-226680

A person close to Clinton said her team has sent out feelers to the GOP elders, although it wasn't clear if those efforts were preliminary or more formal requests for endorsement, or if they were undertaken through intermediaries. Clinton campaign aides did not respond when asked if they had solicited endorsements or tried to persuade the elders to speak out against Trump.
 

You know my point about Kissinger is correct because you blew right past that. Hillary loves Henry.

Hillary puts that stuff out there herself because she's trying to attract conservatives and Republicans. She's signaling, whether Henry and Condi do it or not, that's her real target.

 

[squistion]

You know my point about Jussinger is correct because you blew right past that. Hillary loves Henry.

Hillary puts that stuff out there herself because she's trying to attract conservatives and Republicans. She's signaling, whether Henry and Cobdi do it or not, that's her real target.

No one really gives a crap what Henry Kissinger thinks in 2016 (maybe with the exception of Tim) but Condi still has a radioactive quality as she one of the biggest cheerleaders and propagandists for the Iraqi war.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

No one really gives a crap what Henry Kissinger thinks (maybe with the exception of Tim) but Condi still has a radioactive quality as she one of the biggest cheerleaders and propagandists for the Iraqi war.

Hillary cares quite a lot. Like I said it's just a hop and a skip from Henry to Condi anyway. I guess you're talking politics and I'm talking Hillary's ideology. To me Kissinger is a far worse person historically than Condi, but politically you have a point. However again another point is Hillary is putting this out, which politically is the point as much as any endorsement she might get.

 

[The General]

It appears Hillary's entourage are ready with a Diazapem pen, for those with repeated seizures.  Remember the nothing story about how she reacted last week to protesters?  In fairness, I thought she reacted well.  But the guy on stage, who appeared to be Secret Service but may be a medic, misread the situation and removed the pen thinking her sudden silence may be a seizure.  She may very well be the best choice even with recurring seizures, but isn't it just so very Hillary to hide it and assume it can be dealt with after she wins?  

She has serious medical issues.  More baggage she totes.  

 what are you talking about. 

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Are you convinced she isn't having seizures, or that it doesn't matter?

Why is her staff carrying Diazapem?  

Cite your sources. 

 

[Gucci Fur]

Hillary has the support of the father of the Orlando shooter her murdered 49 gay people in the name of Islam, he was even center stage at her rally.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=9GvCeEpnXxA

Her campaigning gets better each day.

Could you imagine the outrage if Dylan Roof's family showed up at a Trump rally?

 

[Gucci Fur]

What a surprise people here are in denial about Hillary's health. When she has a seizure on stage in the debates these guys will find a way to blame it on Trump and the Russians.

 

[The Commish]

You know my point about Kissinger is correct because you blew right past that. Hillary loves Henry.

Hillary puts that stuff out there herself because she's trying to attract conservatives and Republicans. She's signaling, whether Henry and Condi do it or not, that's her real target.

It was a matter of time before Hillary veered right.  This was predicted early and often in this thread once she started pandering to "liberals" of the party.  I suspect this will be justified because TRUMP!!!!!! but in reality, it has less to do with Trump and more to do with what she is at her core.

 

[Rove!]

Sorry, no, Condoleezza "The smoking gun will be a mushroom cloud" Rice, is about the last person Hillary would ever want an endorsement from as it would relitigate her Iraqi war authorization vote and she does not want to go there after she admitted it was a mistake.

Regime change with a American troops presence was one thing, but regime change with a vacuum of US presence was even worse...see Libya, Syria, Iraq  etc

she has not changed...the Iraq war just had become unpopular...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

What a surprise people here are in denial about Hillary's health. When she has a seizure on stage in the debates these guys will find a way to blame it on Trump and the Russians.

Trump's as old as the hills too, it's like watching the cast of Cocoon, or at least Jessica Tandy & Hume Cronyn.

 

[Rove!]

Trump's as old as the hills too, it's like watching the cast of Cocoon, or at least Jessica Tandy & Hume Cronyn.

Apparently, one of the people in her entourage may be a neurologist...