Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (3 Viewers)

[Bob Magaw]

To those that were CERTAIN Clinton's campaign was curtains and done 24 hours ago, if you were assigning odds, what are you thinking?

100%? 50%? Less? 

 

[tommyGunZ]

So we're basically trying to get this Kaine dude elected without facing the vetting process at this point?  Very little chance Hillary is healthy enough to actually assume the presidency.

Shtick?

 

[HellToupee]

To those that were CERTAIN Clinton's campaign was curtains and done 24 hours ago, if you were assigning odds, what are you thinking?

100%? 50%? Less? 

Now that she is implementing  the Great Danton strategy I think she's staying 

 

[Bob Magaw]

this video is proof of Trump's love for America https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxf1XmVZ9qY

As for his wonderful children, that is just obvious.

Trump wouldn't even have the attention span to watch a near half hour Trumpmercial.

I don't think proof means what you think it does.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

this video is proof of Trump's love for America https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxf1XmVZ9qY

As for his wonderful children, that is just obvious.

I forgot the incessant harp music in that.

I do notice from that Oprah interview he was 1. calmer and 2. basically saying the same thing in the late 80s that he is now, which really isn't good because now he claims that the country was better in the 80s than it is now.

 

[SacramentoBob]

So we're basically trying to get this Kaine dude elected without facing the vetting process at this point?  Very little chance Hillary is healthy enough to actually assume the presidency.

it would certainly be amusing if the party who spent the 2008 campaign and 2016 primaries pointing out the health/age of their opponent was the one who actually put up a candidate who was physically unfit for the Presidency.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

"Not a big deal."

I think I owe the Hillary critics who were pushing the health issue an apology. I poopooed it. I thought, too much, sure, sure. It still really didn't register with me until Hillary said this. Now I think she's hiding something.

Also there's this.

 

[Politician Spock]

Now I think she's hiding something.

She always is.

Always.

 

[mquinnjr]

To those that were CERTAIN Clinton's campaign was curtains and done 24 hours ago, if you were assigning odds, what are you thinking?

100%? 50%? Less? 

Unmoved at 5Dimes from the last time I checked. Clinton -200 Field +170. From a purely odds perspective, if Field includes anyone but Trump (meaning a potential replacement if the worst case scenario happens for Hillary with her health), that's not bad odds IMO.

 

[dickey moe]

So what's the plan if Clinton is physically unable to continue the race?

Transplant her brain into a golden retriever. EVERYONE WINS!

 

[Zegras11]

Did anyone get her a ####### drink of water yet?

 

[dickey moe]

Shtick?

Desperate?

 

[Gawain]

It's okay. As long as she is stocked full of revives in her Pokemon Go bag, she can keep fainting over and over again between now and the election. 

I'm just hoping she accumulates enough candy to evolve to Weezing before the debate.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Transplant her brain into a golden retriever. EVERYONE WINS!

Really?  So we're going to trade one ##### for another?

 

[tommyboy]

"Not a big deal."

I think I owe the Hillary critics who were pushing the health issue an apology. I poopooed it. I thought, too much, sure, sure. It still really didn't register with me until Hillary said this. Now I think she's hiding something.

Also there's this.

Has she ever told the truth?

 

[timschochet]

Has she ever told the truth?

Compared to her opponent? 99% of the time. 

 

[renesauz]

Her health is now an issue.  So what?

Democrats are voting for the platform not Hillary.  We would prefer Kaine, Sanders or Biden anyways.

Those voters don't #### their pants and go, "Clinton is sick I guess I have to vote for the racist who is against everything I believe in."

A million times this

 

[renesauz]

Until now (not your post but regarding Hillary), I have never seen pneumonia being this big of a deal. I had it, it sucks, it can be bad, but it is not permanent or terminal. Maybe there will be some short-term changes regarding people questioning if they will vote for Hillary but I agree with Tim in that it probably won't have much effect unless there is a long-term issue.

This thread is the last place to look for an unbiased objective opinion regarding undecideds changing their minds. All you see in here are some supporters comparing it to a cold and opponents claiming she is knocking on deaths door. Pneumonia is serious but it is not either of the above.

The first debate is 2 weeks away. She should be fine by then. If it lingers thst long then it could become an issue.

This....is not true. Pneumonia in a relatively healthy young to early middle aged adult is USUALLY not a big deal. Pneumonia in an older adut or small child can absolutely kill

 

[renesauz]

Look if it is just regular way pneumonia I don't think that is a major issue.  However, as is typically the case Clinton and her campaign keep everything under wraps tell multiple stories and it appears there is something more there.  Given there history I just don't trust them.

If it was pneumonia they should have told people that right when she was diagnosed and slowed down her schedule.  Don't try and hide the facts from people so it comes out during a fainting spell.

All that said, she doesn't appear to be insane.  Trump has yet to show me that is not the case with him.

With all the right-fueled conspiracy theories regarding her health, I'm not so sure that being up front about a bug would have been helpful at all. IN fact, I think in her shoes I would have tried to hide it until I got over it as well. This was a no-win situation for her.

In any case, it shouldn't mean much in the long run provided they're telling the truth about it now and she takes a couple weeks to actually rest and recuperate. It's unfortunate that the conspiracy theorists have been handed more ammo, but let's be honest...those theories and accusations weren't going away anyway.

 

[cstu]

She always is.

Always.

I don't always tell the truth.

 

[renesauz]

Here's the thing - the story of Hillary fainting/losing bodily function and the subsequent actions taken by her/her campaign make no sense. It doesn't add up. If we are to believe the narrative (in chronological order):

- Hillary is said to be suffering from seasonal allergies (which explains her persistent cough)

- On Friday she is diagnosed with pneumonia (which is kept private)

- On Sunday she loses bodily function/passes out/faints/stumbles

- As a nearly 70-year old with pneumonia, after passing out, she is taken to her daughter's apartment and not to a hospital.

- The "episode" is initially blamed on "overheating"

- The "episode" is later blamed on dehydration as a result of her previously diagnosed pneumonia

- Approximately 90 minutes after losing bodily function/passing out/fainting/stumbling, she is waving on the sidewalk and it is reported that she is (paraphrasing) "re-hydrated and feeling great".

My questions:

- In what universe would it make sense for a 68-year old with pneumonia to NOT go to the hospital on Sunday after that "episode"?

- If dehydration is so severe that it causes loss of bodily function, what would the standard treatment be? Drink a bottle of water and call it good? Fluids via IV? Other?

- Imagine your having a 68-year old parent, diagnosed with pneumonia just two days earlier, passing out (even if briefly). Can you envision any scenario in which you'd let him/her walk around outside with no assistance just 90-minutes later? Can you envision any scenario in which you'd let them not go to a hospital for treatment/observation?

- If such a patient does go to a hospital (pneumonia + fainting), what would the standard response be? Can any doctors/nurses here comment on how long such a person would be kept under observation? How long would an IV treatment take in that case? Would a person be discharged as soon as the IV bag was empty?

I don't have many answers, but I can tell you that this isn't adding up for me. And I don't know what the implication of that is, I just know this whole thing makes no sense. The response, the "overheated" story, the post-"treatment" spin, the walk on the sidewalk - the whole thing is just wonky. None of it passes the smell test, but I have no idea what that means.

For most of us, this would be true, but you have to think that someone like Clinton would have a doctor, a nurse, and plenty of medical supplies readily available. The primary reason for any of us to visit the hospital would be to get some labwork done (which could be drawn by a nurse at home and run secretly to a lab), to get IV fluids (which again could easily be accomplished by a nurse and doctor in a hotel room), and to get evaluated by a physician without actually setting an appointment (AGAIN...not so hard to do in a hotel room). About the only thing a hosptial might be needed for would be a chest xray, and even that could be done quickly as a drive-by in an urgent care facility or some private practices. The doctor traveling with her didn't need to take her to the hospital to replace fluids, get labs, or check her heart rate, rythym, and blood pressure.

If a diagnosis and problem was already known (pneumonia), it is more than reasonable that she could have simply over-done it and needed little more then rest and fluids.

 

[Zegras11]

With all the right-fueled conspiracy theories regarding her health, I'm not so sure that being up front about a bug would have been helpful at all. IN fact, I think in her shoes I would have tried to hide it until I got over it as well. This was a no-win situation for her.

In any case, it shouldn't mean much in the long run provided they're telling the truth about it now and she takes a couple weeks to actually rest and recuperate. It's unfortunate that the conspiracy theorists have been handed more ammo, but let's be honest...those theories and accusations weren't going away anyway.

Such freaking bull ####.  She could have gained a ton of credibility by saying something like,  "I'm very proud of the work I did after 9 11, but I've been advised by my doctors to rest this weekend due to that cough I've had. I need to be at my best for the debates and this country "  That simple.  Missing something this important to her would be a sign of strength,  not weakness.  

 

[Bob Magaw]

This may all just be an elaborate ruse so right before the first debate, if there is an intro handshake, she can have an excuse to unleash a firehose of vomit on Trump to throw him off his game.

In other news, if Clinton continues to have motor coordination issues, Chevy Chase is prepared to jump in if needed as a stunt double.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF98NkctXDU

 

[renesauz]

When heat exhaustion is code for seizures.

People having seizures aren't upright...at all. What we saw with her getting in the van was NOT a seizure.

And someone can get heat exhaustion in 78 degree weather if they are already borderline dehydrated and ill.

I know a lot of you fully buy into the "Clinton's health has been terrible and she's a liar and she's too sick to be President" line being fed by the Trump campaign, but what we saw really does match the newest story out of the CLinton campaign. That said, I do worry that she's not been transparent enough.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Some articles suggest Clinton's estimate was too low.


The Media Has Been Pointing Out Trump’s ‘Basket Of Deplorables’ For Over A Year



Is Hillary Clinton not allowed to say what journalists have been saying all this time?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/media-basket-of-deplorables_us_57d6d9f2e4b03d2d459b87c4


Hillary Clinton Was Politically Incorrect, but She Wasn't Wrong About Trump's Supporters


Clinton said half of Donald Trump’s supporters were prejudiced. If anything, her numbers are too low.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/basket-of-deplorables/499493/

How and where racism is distributed in the election

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/clinton-wasnt-wrong-about-the-deplorables-among-trumps-supporters/2016/09/12/93720264-7932-11e6-beac-57a4a412e93a_story.html?utm_term=.929eb27785f5

* Basket of Humanitarians (NYTimes coverage of Trump rallies - needless to say, adult language)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/us/politics/donald-trump-supporters.html?_r=0

 

[Hang 10]

People having seizures aren't upright...at all. What we saw with her getting in the van was NOT a seizure.

Are you kidding me? Did you see her head bouncing up and down? She was only "upright" because she had people holding her up. You make it sound like she got into the van under her own power. She didn't. 

 

[chauncey]

Hillary is actually attacking a cartoon frog named Pepe. What a racist!



I haven't had time to stay current with the FFA's response to her fainting/rag doll episode on 9/11 but I'm betting at least 3 posters have insinuated that the RUSSIANS poisoned her. 

 

[renesauz]

Are you kidding me? Did you see her head bouncing up and down? She was only "upright" because she had people holding her up. You make it sound like she got into the van under her own power. She didn't.

I'm an ICU nurse...I've seen more than a few seizures. People having seizures generally don't just lose their balance, they don't move their legs forward (regardless of the ability to hold any weight on her legs). When someone has a seizure, they (usually) drop like a stone and are (always) completely unaware of all surroundings.

THAT WAS NOT A SEIZURE

It looked much like most people look when their blood pressure drops dangerously low, which is a common result of dehydration/heat exhaustion.

Look..there's smoke here, and I'm not going to deny it. Clinton has been far less than forthcoming about her health in general, and she's had several episodes that we know of where she has become light-headed and fell. She could simply be a sickly type that's prone to low BP when she gets sick (I've seen more than a few of these), or there could be a more serious, undisclosed, issue. The first really isn't that big a deal, even if seeing it is scary. The second obviously would depend on what it is.

What I AM sure of is that what we see on that brief video is absolutely consistant with someone pushing themselves far too hard while battling a pneumonia, suffering heat exhaustion and a subsequent drop in blood pressure. IE: The story they tell actually DOES make sense. Whatever it really was....it wasn't a seizure.

Further, most voting for Hillary wouldn't really care if she became so ill she had to resign...we're OK with the alternatives to succeed her, in many cases preferring those alternatives...but nothing about her health would ever make us change to voting Trump. IE: Even if it's an issue, it's still a non-issue.

 

[ArbyMelt]

I'm an ICU nurse...I've seen more than a few seizures. People having seizures generally don't just lose their balance, they don't move their legs forward (regardless of the ability to hold any weight on her legs). When someone has a seizure, they (usually) drop like a stone and are (always) completely unaware of all surroundings.

THAT WAS NOT A SEIZURE

It looked much like most people look when their blood pressure drops dangerously low, which is a common result of dehydration/heat exhaustion.

Look..there's smoke here, and I'm not going to deny it. Clinton has been far less than forthcoming about her health in general, and she's had several episodes that we know of where she has become light-headed and fell. She could simply be a sickly type that's prone to low BP when she gets sick (I've seen more than a few of these), or there could be a more serious, undisclosed, issue. The first really isn't that big a deal, even if seeing it is scary. The second obviously would depend on what it is.

What I AM sure of is that what we see on that brief video is absolutely consistant with someone pushing themselves far too hard while battling a pneumonia, suffering heat exhaustion and a subsequent drop in blood pressure. IE: The story they tell actually DOES make sense. Whatever it really was....it wasn't a seizure.

Further, most voting for Hillary wouldn't really care if she became so ill she had to resign...we're OK with the alternatives to succeed her, in many cases preferring those alternatives...but nothing about her health would ever make us change to voting Trump. IE: Even if it's an issue, it's still a non-issue.

She didn't look aware of her surroundings, she was being propped up, she didn't move her legs forward. If it was nothing, why were they initially going to the ER?

You may be an ICU nurse, but your opinion is as biased as Dr Drew's here.

 

[Phil Elliott]

"Illary" 

 

[James Daulton]

She and her team specifically avoided going to an ER to avoid the media so they could continue to hide her condition. 

Think about that for a minute. 

Really consider what that means. 

She risked her own health to keep material information away from the American people. Information people need to know to make a fair decision. 

She'd rather lie & die than let people know the truth about her. 

Her first instinct is to lie to the people. 

If it hadn't been caught on video, the conspiracy to hide the truth would still be ongoing. This was her campaigns plan. 

Note they didn't say 'we didn't go to the ER because we knew it was only exhaustion'. They didn't go in order to maintain the secret. Full stop. 

She'd rather risk her own health, even if it meant that it could lead to Trump becoming president if something was really wrong with her, than let people know the truth about her. 

She puts her own ego ahead of truth. 

I can't think of a more crystallized distillation of her character than that simple fact. Really and truly. 

That fact, more than anything, disqualifies her from high office. That she'd risk her own health and safety to continue to lie to us is terrible. It is not something that our president should ever do. It is a violation of the trust we put in a leader. 

Concealing an illness is one thing. But avoiding treatment to keep up the facade during what could be a real  medical emergency is inexcusable. 

Look, you folks have enough reasons not to like Hilldawg.  Coming up with BS stuff like the above really isn't necessary and in fact makes you look like clowns just parroting whatever garbage Fox News spits out.  Think for yourself fellows.

 

[Sinn Fein]

 Think for yourself fellows.

 

[Politician Spock]

Look..there's smoke here, and I'm not going to deny it. Clinton has been far less than forthcoming about her health in general, and she's had several episodes that we know of where she has become light-headed and fell. She could simply be a sickly type that's prone to low BP when she gets sick (I've seen more than a few of these), or there could be a more serious, undisclosed, issue. The first really isn't that big a deal, even if seeing it is scary. The second obviously would depend on what it is.

What I AM sure of is that what we see on that brief video is absolutely consistant with someone pushing themselves far too hard while battling a pneumonia, suffering heat exhaustion and a subsequent drop in blood pressure. IE: The story they tell actually DOES make sense. Whatever it really was....it wasn't a seizure.

Thanks for this.

I'd like to hear your opinion on their decision to take a 68 year old woman battling pneumonia, suffering heat exhaustion and a subsequent drop in blood pressure, who they just loaded into the van with her feet dragging on the sidewalk behind her, to her daughter's apartment. Because while I agree that their story makes sense up to that point, their decision of where to take her is the part that makes no sense to me. 

 

[MaxThreshold]

With all the right-fueled conspiracy theories regarding her health, I'm not so sure that being up front about a bug would have been helpful at all. IN fact, I think in her shoes I would have tried to hide it until I got over it as well. This was a no-win situation for her.

In any case, it shouldn't mean much in the long run provided they're telling the truth about it now and she takes a couple weeks to actually rest and recuperate. It's unfortunate that the conspiracy theorists have been handed more ammo, but let's be honest...those theories and accusations weren't going away anyway.

I love this.  She NEVER tells the truth.  How many excuses are you guys going to make for her lying?  At what ####### point do you guys realize what a joke this is?  Give me a number on how many lies someone has to tell before you you step back and say, "now wait a minute..."?  100?  1000?  10000?  Her entire history is nothing but lies, yet here you are carrying her water once again.

I mean, you Hillarites should try and step out of yourselves for a minute and realize how bad you look making excuse after excuse for this woman.  There is absolutely no way in hell you would have let GWB (or any conservative for that matter) get away with this much lying.

Do you Hillary excuse makers have any backbone at all?  Seriously.

 

[William Munny]

With all the right-fueled conspiracy theories regarding her health

 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm an ICU nurse...I've seen more than a few seizures. People having seizures generally don't just lose their balance, they don't move their legs forward (regardless of the ability to hold any weight on her legs). When someone has a seizure, they (usually) drop like a stone and are (always) completely unaware of all surroundings.

THAT WAS NOT A SEIZURE

It looked much like most people look when their blood pressure drops dangerously low, which is a common result of dehydration/heat exhaustion.

Look..there's smoke here, and I'm not going to deny it. Clinton has been far less than forthcoming about her health in general, and she's had several episodes that we know of where she has become light-headed and fell. She could simply be a sickly type that's prone to low BP when she gets sick (I've seen more than a few of these), or there could be a more serious, undisclosed, issue. The first really isn't that big a deal, even if seeing it is scary. The second obviously would depend on what it is.

What I AM sure of is that what we see on that brief video is absolutely consistant with someone pushing themselves far too hard while battling a pneumonia, suffering heat exhaustion and a subsequent drop in blood pressure. IE: The story they tell actually DOES make sense. ...

First of all thanks for teh insight. - This is all I'm interested in, what is really going on.

Bill Clinton himself said yesterday (sure he corrected himself once he knew what he was saying...) that she has "frequently" had these episodes.

I don't think the explanation given is a small thing. Working hard with the biggest pressures imaginable weighing on you is the job description. What is stated as the 'benign' explanation is actually saying Hillary is literally not up to the job.

 

[ericttspikes]

Two-thirds of Trump’s supporters believe the first black president in this country’s history is not American.

deplorable

 

[shader]

Because I wondered what the true "conspiracy theorists" think about Hilary's episode, I found a conspiracy board.

Apparently a popular theory is that she actually died on video and now her campaign is scrambling and using body doubles.

But yeah, her actually being sick or in bad physical condition is no conspiracy theory.  It's pretty obvious at this point.

 

[Politician Spock]

This is all I'm interested in, what is really going on.

Bill Clinton himself said yesterday (sure he corrected himself once he knew what he was saying...) that she has "frequent;y" had these episodes.

I don't think the explanation given is a small thing. Working hard with the biggest pressures imaginable weighing on you is the job description. What is described as the 'benign' explanation is actually saying Hillary is literally not up to the job.

The episode she experience on Sunday being a frequent experience is the only thing that makes going to her daughter's apartment make any sense.

If what she experienced on Sunday was something rare, then common sense says take her to get medical attention.  

Again, I'm not buying the body double theory yet, but the story they are going with right now has holes, and the word "slips" like Bill using "frequently" lead me to believe they're hiding something. Also add the fact that they are constantly in "hide the truth" mode about anything and everything, and I'm comfortable in my position that I believe she is sicker than they are letting on. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The episode she experience on Sunday being a frequent experience is the only thing that makes going to her daughter's apartment make any sense.

If what she experienced on Sunday was something rare, then common sense says take her to get medical attention.  

Again, I'm not buying the body double theory yet, but the story they are going with right now has holes, and the word "slips" like Bill using "frequently" lead me to believe they're hiding something. Also add the fact that they are constantly in "hide the truth" mode about anything and everything, and I'm comfortable in my position that I believe she is sicker than they are letting on. 

I'm guessing they keep an IV and vitamin pack handy. I don't even think that's conspiracy-ish, just practical reality given what we're learning.

And since we've (rightly) learned about the good Dr. Bornstein maybe it's time we learn who Hillary's traveling doctor is.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Just read the last two pages of this thread and the Trump thread.  It appears we've reaching the point in this election cycle where everything has gone off the rails. A bunch of people speaking expertly about medical conditions with virtually none of the relevant facts or expertise in this thread, and figurative slapfights about literal slapfights in the other thread.

Gotta admit, I'm kind of amazed it took this long.  Just eight more weeks to endure.  Hopefully we don't end up with a white nationalist presidency at the end of it, but at this point I'm not sure that's much worse than this anyway.

Thank God for fall sports.

 

[BassNBrew]

Probably has Obamacare and didn't want to go to the hospital because of her huge deductible.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It appears we've reaching the point in this election cycle where everything has gone off the rails.

Just now we've reached this point? Now?

 

[timschochet]

Those who argue that Hillary was right in her "deplorables" comment, or even that she underestimated the percentage, are really missing the point here. I don't think she was right for reasons I have already posted, but that ignores the point as well. 

The point is that nothing is gained by attacking a candidate's supporters. All you do is strengthen your opponent, which is exactly what is happening. There is no advantage here for Hillary; it was stupid. 

 

[timschochet]

Just read the last two pages of this thread and the Trump thread.  It appears we've reaching the point in this election cycle where everything has gone off the rails. A bunch of people speaking expertly about medical conditions with virtually none of the relevant facts or expertise in this thread, and figurative slapfights about literal slapfights in the other thread.

Gotta admit, I'm kind of amazed it took this long.  Just eight more weeks to endure.  Hopefully we don't end up with a white nationalist presidency at the end of it, but at this point I'm not sure that's much worse than this anyway.

Thank God for fall sports.

Yeah it's almost unreadable. 

 

[Parrothead]

Those who argue that Hillary was right in her "deplorables" comment, or even that she underestimated the percentage, are really missing the point here. I don't think she was right for reasons I have already posted, but that ignores the point as well. 

The point is that nothing is gained by attacking a candidate's supporters. All you do is strengthen your opponent, which is exactly what is happening. There is no advantage here for Hillary; it was stupid. 

especially when standing in front of a "Stronger Together" sign

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Let's revisit the Jump the Shark moment in this election:

- Democratic nominee is cleared by the FBI in a surprise press conference.

- GOP presumptive nominee accuses his rival's father of conspiring to kill a president.

- The First Lady nominee has full on nekkid and lesbo pics published in the NY Post.

- Democratic nominee faints after months of poopooed theories that she is somehow hiding something about being sick.

- The First Lady nominee is reported to have been an illegal alien model smugglee and call girl. Seems plausible but no one blinks an eye.

- GOP nominee body hugs the president of Russia and triples down on his fanboidom luv. Genuine conservative VP says yeah that's about right.

- GOP nominee walks out in convention to WWE smoke filled entrance.

When did this election jump the shark officially?

 

[timschochet]

Let's revisit the Jump the Shark moment in this election:

- Democratic nominee is cleared by the FBI in a surprise press conference.

- GOP presumptive nominee accuses his rival's father of conspiring to kill a president.

- The First Lady nominee has full on nekkid and lesbo pics published in the NY Post.

- Democratic nominee faints after months of poopooed theories that she is somehow hiding something about being sick.

- The First Lady nominee is reported to have been an illegal alien model smugglee and call girl. Seems plausible but no one blinks an eye.

- GOP nominee body hugs the president of Russia and triples down on his fanboidom luv. Genuine conservative VP says yeah that's about right.

When did this election jump the shark officially?

Donald Trump announces his candidacy by calling Mexican immigrants murderers and rapists. 

 

[TobiasFunke]

Just now we've reached this point? Now?

I think we were kind of hanging on by a thread before, trying to go through a process vaguely reminiscent of previous election cycles.  But the last week with the Clinton illness and the tightening polls and the basically true but misinterpreted "deplorables" comment and the Lauer softball interview have done us in. People who grasp the awfulness and dangerousness of Trump are being forced to accept the distinct possibility that he will actually win, and people who favor Trump have new fuel for their resentment and conspiracy theories. I think we're entering a newer, uglier phase.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Those who argue that Hillary was right in her "deplorables" comment, or even that she underestimated the percentage, are really missing the point here. I don't think she was right for reasons I have already posted, but that ignores the point as well. 

The point is that nothing is gained by attacking a candidate's supporters. All you do is strengthen your opponent, which is exactly what is happening. There is no advantage here for Hillary; it was stupid. 

Which brings up another point - Hillary is by definition THE presidential candidate. Don't go insult-fest with the prop comedian on the other side. Unforced error IMO no matter how much her supporters agree. That's Trump-Think, just appealing to the people that already support you.