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Politician Spock said:
Then what is being said Trump will do is irrational, because he will operate in a system of checks and balances that won't let him do what the fear mongers have irrationally concluded he will do. 
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I strongly disagree with this, based on the fact that our political system should have prevented a man like Trump from getting this far in the first place. The power of populism is such that politicians tend to ignore existing law when it takes hold. All of our constitutional protections are little more than worthless paper if the government decides to ignore them (as you correctly pointed out to me on more than one occasion during our NSA discussion.)

But even beyond that, the New Yorker piece lists all of the damage that Trump can (and likely WILL) do within existing legal parameters, and that alone is bad enough.

 
Look forward to Trump appealing to our faith in checks and balances during the debates. "People, I would never con you. THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL!"

 
tommyGunZ said:
This is a joke, right? 
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I'm being serious.

Trump can enforce laws that already exist, and if you are one that wants to keep the status quo of not enforcing immigration laws, I can see why he is scary... as there is nothing to stop him from enforcing laws from day one. But a lot of the other crap he spews he won't be able to do. Take for example building the wall. He has said he will get Mexico to pay for it.... that will never get by appropriations, and no contractor in the right mind is going to build a wall without the funds passing appropriations first. As much as Trump acts like he will be a monarch, the system is setup to make it impossible for us to be ruled by one. 

 
pantagrapher said:
That's your argument? That checks and balances will stop a madman from wreaking havoc as president? OK.
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See.  The very definition of fear-mongering.  Calling a successful businessman a madman, and claiming, without any reasons behind it, that he will "wreak havoc".  Cmon man, don't engage in this childish behavior. 

 
timschochet said:
Thank you. Couldn't agree more. 
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I prefer Hillary over Sanders. but its was not a level field. the DNC must be neutral and let the people pick. 

The leaked emails relieved some foul play, Debbie did not resign because things went smoothly. The DNC was an arm for Hillary, they had approved articles with Politico and CNN. The scheduling of debates was set to make sure as little people could see them, and usually Fridays to avoid a day of news cycles, helping a famous candidate and hurting an unknown one. Trying to use Atheism to discredit Sanders.........

I want to see some improvements out of the DNC, and this is not on HIllary, but getting rid of superdelegates would be a good step in that direction.

all in all I still think Sanders would not have won, and all it did was hurt the DNC image. I'm not bothered with what she did because that is was all politicians do. Trump has his Friends publish BS stories just like how the DNC pushed stories. 

 
shader said:
See.  The very definition of fear-mongering.  Calling a successful businessman a madman, and claiming, without any reasons behind it, that he will "wreak havoc".  Cmon man, don't engage in this childish behavior. 
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He is dangerous and detached from reality. Horrible people can be successful at business. I'd say he's proven that, but without his tax returns, we really don't know how successful he's been.

 
timschochet said:
I've done that already. And I linked a long article with details galore. What part do you disagree with?
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Tim, that article is just one man's opinion.  You've referred to it many, many times as if it's proof of something, but it's just an opinion based narrative, based on facts as the author sees them.

The things you listed were helpful to people, I'm sure.  But they likely don't scare republicans as they scare you.  Just as you might be scared of a list of agenda items that a far-right Republican candidate might have for their presidency, a person who is on the right is just as scared of a list of agenda items that a far-left Democratic candidate might have for their presidency.  Sure, Trump is going to have some policies that the left strongly disagree with. 

 
timschochet said:
1. She was wrong on Iraq. But she played no part in the execution of that war or its aftermath, which was the main flaw. Hillary's actions with regard to Iraq once she took over at State were largely correct, though she was faced with an impossible situation. 

2. She was right about Libya. And if Obama had taken her advice with regard to what happened after the overthrow it would be far more stable now. 

3. She was right about Arab Spring. 

4. She was supremely right about Iran, which was the most important issue of all in that region. 

5. Time will tell on Syria. I'm not sure if she was right or wrong. 

6. There is very little we can do about China (or North Korea for that matter) without taking considerable risks. I have no criticism against Hillary on this. 

7. I praised Obama for his measured approach in response to Putin's actions, but I think Hillary was gone by then. 
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Maybe I'm a simpleton. But the fact we aren't spending trillions on war and we aren't sending home countless soldiers in coffins, missing limbs and mentally scarred is pretty damn big in my book. If all these dudes can do is petty pressure cooker bombings and isolated shootings I feel like that is a win. They can't get at us in any significant manner.

Hill is a bit more of a hawk than Obama but the possibility of Trump getting us into more wars is far higher. My son turns 18 in March. I don't want him in the sausage grinder for no discernable purpose.   

 
pantagrapher said:
He is dangerous and detached from reality. Horrible people can be successful at business. I'd say he's proven that, but without his tax returns, we really don't know how successful he's been.
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He's quite successful financially, I can assure you of that. Anyone trying to argue otherwise is being intellectually dishonest.

If you ever begin to doubt that, just log off the internet and go to New York City.  

 
Ah, the checks and balances argument in favor of Trump is back. And he's not a successful businessman. These have both been done ad nauseum. Trump is a buffoon in way over his head, I haven't heard one good defense for that fact.

By the way, Hillary wrote a great position piece today on how she will help America's poor. It's well done, and frankly it makes Donny look like an elementary school child in comparison, which matches the mentality of his supporters.

 
shader said:
He's quite successful financially, I can assure you of that. Anyone trying to argue otherwise is being intellectually dishonest.

If you ever begin to doubt that, just log off the internet and go to New York City.  
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OK. I haven't argued he's unsuccessful, so I guess this conversation is over. Thanks for your input, I guess.

 
Politician Spock said:
I'm being serious.

Trump can enforce laws that already exist, and if you are one that wants to keep the status quo of not enforcing immigration laws, I can see why he is scary... as there is nothing to stop him from enforcing laws from day one. But a lot of the other crap he spews he won't be able to do. Take for example building the wall. He has said he will get Mexico to pay for it.... that will never get by appropriations, and no contractor in the right mind is going to build a wall without the funds passing appropriations first. As much as Trump acts like he will be a monarch, the system is setup to make it impossible for us to be ruled by one. 
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We have checks and balances, therefore Trump!

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
We have checks and balances, therefore Trump!
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Thanks for the strawman argument.

I don't support Trump. I'm retorting the argument that Trump will destroy America, therefore Hillary!

I want people to reject them both, and vote Johnson. So I'm saying, we have checks and balances, therefore Johnson!... and if Trump wins, it wont be as bad as the Hillary fear mongers are saying. 

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
Ah, the checks and balances argument in favor of Trump is back. And he's not a successful businessman. These have both been done ad nauseum. Trump is a buffoon in way over his head, I haven't heard one good defense for that fact.

By the way, Hillary wrote a great position piece today on how she will help America's poor. It's well done, and frankly it makes Donny look like an elementary school child in comparison, which matches the mentality of his supporters.
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Try to be intellectually honest in your statements.  It makes for better conversation.  Is Trump a buffoon?  I believe he is. That's childish name-calling, but I do agree with it!  Is he in way over his head politically?  I'd say so.  But when you follow that up with "he's not a successful businessman", it destroys your entire argument.  It's ok to actually admit that he is good at something.  

 
Politician Spock said:
Thanks for the strawman argument.

I don't support Trump. I'm retorting the argument that Trump will destroy America, therefore Hillary!

I want people to reject them both, and vote Johnson. So I'm saying, we have checks and balances, therefore Johnson!... and if Trump wins, it wont be as bad as the Hillary fear mongers are saying. 
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You basically said fear of any president is irrational because of checks and balances. One of the more absurd statements in a thread full of them.

 
shader said:
Try to be intellectually honest in your statements.  It makes for better conversation.  Is Trump a buffoon?  I believe he is. That's childish name-calling, but I do agree with it!  Is he in way over his head politically?  I'd say so.  But when you follow that up with "he's not a successful businessman", it destroys your entire argument.  It's ok to actually admit that he is good at something.  
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No, he actually isn't a good businessman. I'm not going to do your research. It has been done over and over in here. He's a buffoon all the way around, even in business.

 
pantagrapher said:
You basically said fear of any president is irrational because of checks and balances. One of the more absurd statements in a thread full of them.
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Well...basically that's true isn't it?  I've never once spent a single second of my life "fearing" any president, and neither Trump nor Hilary would change that.

 
Suddenly there's no more talk about pneumonia. What happened to Hillary being too sick to continue? Where is the body double? 

I wrote that this story would disappear in a week's time, and I was called crazy. 

 
timschochet said:
Exactly. Is a sign at a roller coaster that says pregnant women shouldn't ride fear mongering? How about the warning on every carton of cigarettes that they cause cancer? Is that fear mongering? 
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You're lobbying for pregnant women on roller coasters, because it's better than smoking...  Then making the case for how great coaster are and terrible smoking.  

 
timschochet said:
Suddenly there's no more talk about pneumonia. What happened to Hillary being too sick to continue? Where is the body double? 

I wrote that this story would disappear in a week's time, and I was called crazy. 
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You always say that every story that reflects negatively on Hillary will blow over (see also Emails).  When you say the same thing 100% of the time, you're bound to be right on occasion.  

 
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it's also coming out now that the AIDS drug that the Clinton Global Initiative was distributing to Africa was watered down and may have increased mortality.....

 
Mr. Ham said:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/breaking-hillary-clinton-cancels-fundraiser-north-carolina-no-explanation/

She canceled an event last night, but you wouldn't know that.  Mainstream press isn't covering it.
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I'm shocked that the media doesn't cover her negatives, question her actions or follow up on anything that might be unfavorable to her. 

If anything negative happens to the Hillary campaign I'll go out on a limb and say the media won't cover it a week later. 

 
timschochet said:
OK. As I've written before, I think you vastly underestimate the danger of Trump's presidency. 
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how could it possibly be worse than the last 2 presidents?  besides,  Dems and the media (but i repeat myself) have been fearmongering Republican nominees since Eisenhower, that tactic is quite transparent.

 
timschochet said:
Suddenly there's no more talk about pneumonia. What happened to Hillary being too sick to continue? Where is the body double? 

I wrote that this story would disappear in a week's time, and I was called crazy. 
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it shifted over to her crazy left eye, parkinsons and cancelling events because she's too frail to campaign.    

 
 


Clinton Foundation to drop dozens of employees: report


The Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) plans on laying off dozens of employees at year’s end, Politico reported Tuesday.

The report comes less than seven weeks before Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign culminates on Election Day. CGI’s move comes amid heightened scrutiny of Clinton’s ties to her family’s charitable foundation.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/296982-clinton-foundation-to-lay-off-dozens-of-staff

 
tommyGunZ said:
It's not fear mongering to suggest Trump has no business having the nuclear codes.  
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Of course it's not.  I don't think anyone said it was :oldunsure: ....but it IS fear mongering to suggest Trump is going to become dictator and blow up the world with the nuclear codes. 

 
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