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I'm really happy to hear that. I've put in a lot of time trying to argue that the "evils" surrounding Clinton as not as bad as they've been made out to be and that she has many good qualities that for whatever reason are underappreciated. Happy to keep doing that if people want to hear it.
MAGA implies that America is not great right now (is it still good, Trump hasn't clarified?). Trump says our biggest problems are illegal immigrants and Muslims. Therefore, the reason America is not great is because of illegals and Muslims. But I'm not supposed to think his message is racist?
And yet the Dems for 50 yrs have been telling us the Republican nominee is racist, evil Hitler.
"Trust issues" kind of oversimplifies it. Trump has used minorities as a scapegoat for problems and a boogeyman for the white suburban voters he's trying to ride to the presidency. Those people can see that. They're not stupid, and even if they were it's pretty hard to miss.
With such keen insight, I am surprised people waste time and money with polls when they can simply ask your cleaning lady how hispanics will be voting.
To be honest, I don't think either one does anything, unless they are getting something in return. So any socializing was more likely to be for some mutual benefit, than it was actual friendship or admiration.
Perhaps. I'd seen numbers the other way on this, too, especially with African-American voters, which was particularly shocking considering that Obama was, you know, a black guy.
True, but my point is whatever the motive they have spent some time together and they know each other, though perhaps Trump has spent more time with Bill than Hillary. This isn't like the old World Series where the two teams come in never having had any experience with the other.
Agreed. Like when Hillary went to that funeral in 30 years ago, with no press and didn't speak or seek attention, she knew that 30 years from then someone from that funeral would be a message board commentator and leave a comment on an online news section.
So a poll that asks "Are you Hispanic?" over the phone is more accurate than a woman I've known for years who says she doesn't know any other Hispanic who has espoused support for Trump?
Maybe I'm too cynical, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least that the polls being published are intentionally pro Trump to drive people to Fox, CNN, etc to watch more commercials. I bet if ESPN conducted a poll it would hugely favor Hillary.TobiasFunke said:Terrible polls yesterday and today. I'm becoming increasingly convinced that if Trump doesn't have an epic bad performance in one of the three debates he's going to win this thing. See, the thing about being taken by a scam is that once you've been had you generally do everything you can to avoid acknowledging that. I think this is why he's generally added support through the entire process- nobody leaves his camp once they're leaning his way, because to do so is to admit you've been had.
Anyway, in the continuing effort to convince any voters wary of Clinton that she's a good person and would make a good president, here's a comment that appeared under the NY Times endorsement. There are many, many stories like this one. Here, in case you missed it or need a reminder, is that Facebook post from the cancer survivor.
She's not perfect, but she's a good person and she deserves your vote. I'm taking a break from most of this crap for a while, it's stressing me out, but if anyone has real questions about her and wants to know more about why I think she'd be a good president, I'm happy to answer.
If you haven't read it yet, you should read this column by the legendary Roger Angell, who call this the most important election of his 96 years, including one cast while he was fighting WWII: My Vote. Most of it is about the unique threat of a Trump presidency, which he calls "a danger unmatched in our history since the Cuban missile crisis, in 1962, or perhaps since 1943, when the Axis powers held most of Continental Europe, and Imperial Japan controlled the Pacific Rim, from the Aleutians to the Solomon Islands, with the outcome of that war still unknown."
But he also voices his opinion on Clinton:
What I find interesting is that Hillary discusses economic recovery all the time. Absolutely all the time, with actual policy ideas. But while she speaks about economic recovery on every campaign stop, people never actually hear about it. There was a post a month or two ago in here where a Trump supporter trashed Hillary for never discussing economic recovery/blue collar jobs. I went back and pulled news articles from her campaign stops for the past week-or-two and the substance of every one was a discussion of economic recovery and how to bring back blue collar jobs.Sinn Fein said:
When has there ever been an actual true Presidential debate? They are more akin to joint appearances...
I suspect they don't believe what she's saying (or don't believe she'll actually do any of what she's saying)
Agreed, they aren't listening and don't care what Hillary is saying, she is not getting their vote, even if it is in their best interest.
No offense but this post strikes me as a defense mechanism if loses. I get that it's tempting to distance yourself from this potential disaster, but you have a vote and a voice. If Trump wins that means Clinton failed, but it also means we all failed. It's not like she ran out onto the 50 yard line during an Ohio State game and pooped in the O. She hasn't done anything egregious in the last week or two. Trump is making up ground because more and more people are coming under the spell of his scapegoating, sound bites and easy answers. We have to continue to expose that, and show people there's a better way
I agree with these points. I think some of it comes back to the authoritarian article that Vox published awhile back. People in America are scared - the country is changing, there is an increasing wealth gap, demographics are changing, the economy is changing. A lot of Americans think the country is failing. For many people, that pushes them towards wanting an authoritarian leader who isn't from the political establishment. Couple that with the fact that a lot of people don't really care about policy positions, just tough talk, and you've got Trump in a nutshell.
I think that is a great observation - and I don't know why her message never seems to get out. Its in the news, so its not that the media are not covering it - but it really seems like nobody is paying attention.* Now, part of winning elections is "appearance" and Trump "appears" to be out stumping for the middle class.
*I have an untested theory that most of the media coverage of substantive issues falls on deaf ears because only a select few are actually reading op-eds or in-depth articles, or giving any weight to news paper endorsements. Most people live in a "sound-bite" world, and Clinton has very few good sound-bites. This is where I think that maybe she does need to come out swinging at Trump tonight. I think a lot of people who support Trump perceive him as a "tough guy" alpha-dog leader. Whether or not its true, has little bearing to the perception of his persona built up over the years. To erode that support, Clinton needs to hack him at the knees so he does not appear so tough. Kind of embarrass the bully - and you don't generally embarrass the bully by showing how smart you are. The danger is that she is ineffective, and she enhances Trump's reputation.
Here's more recent Nate Silver:
We've been told that Hillary and Donald are our choices. What is this better way that you speak of? Sorry....couldn't resist the beach ball you lofted there GBNo offense but this post strikes me as a defense mechanism if loses. I get that it's tempting to distance yourself from this potential disaster, but you have a vote and a voice. If Trump wins that means Clinton failed, but it also means we all failed. It's not like she ran out onto the 50 yard line during an Ohio State game and pooped in the O. She hasn't done anything egregious in the last week or two. Trump is making up ground because more and more people are coming under the spell of his scapegoating, sound bites and easy answers. We have to continue to expose that, and show people there's a better way
No, he never debated one-on-one.
not just in the US either.
To keep you up to date, this is the latest from Silver:
The survey shows Clinton trouncing Trump 56%-20% among those under 35, though she has failed so far to generate the levels of enthusiasm Sanders did — and the high turn-out that can signal — among Millennials.
I'm trying to walk the walk, so I'm happy to try to convince you and anyone else that Clinton is not just the better choice of the two nominated candidates (duh) but a legitimately good choice, if you're open to listening.We've been told that Hillary and Donald are our choices. What is this better way that you speak of? Sorry....couldn't resist the beach ball you lofted there GB
But it's those damn stubborn Bernie/Gary Johnson supporting millennials' fault if Hillary loses
Trump shouldn't spend much time getting people to think about how much worse he can make things.
