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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (4 Viewers)

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MaxThreshold said:
Negative!  

However, I do appreciate your smoke screens, diversions and "look!  squirrel!" posts.  I have to say that you've achieved TGunz level with your zealous adherence to the Party Talking Points and ignorance of everything else burning all around you.
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Fire!

Or more accurately much of the forest- 

In 2016, the average annual premiums for employer-sponsored health insurance are $6,435 for single coverage and $18,142 for family coverage.  The average family premium rose 3% over the 2015 average premium while the increase in the premium for single coverage was not statistically significant.  The average premium for family coverage is lower for covered workers in small firms (3-199 workers) than for workers in large firms (200 or more workers) ($17,546 vs. $18,395). Workers’ wages increased 2.5% and inflation increased 1.1% over the period.2 Premiums for family coverage have increased 20% since 2011 and 58% since 2006.

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Looking at the dollar amounts that workers contribute, the average annual premium contributions for 2016 are $1,129 for single coverage and $5,277 for family coverage. Covered workers’ average dollar contribution to family coverage has increased 78% since 2006 (Exhibit D) and 28% since 2011 (data not shown). 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
I don't recall any.

- eta - I don't think it' the influence of endorsements at play here, I think it reflects a trend happening in the electorate. Trump cannot win with a significant and influential portion of the conservative and GOP electorate going for Hillary. Cannot happen.
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History tells us when a newspaper breaks rank with its POV and endorses across the aisle it makes a difference.  But like you said, IMO it's more of a reflection of the populace than an influencer.  Yet another correlation/causation puzzle.  

 
Mr. Ham said:
Drudge top headline is Bill's son by way of prostitute. :popcorn:

Can't see how it will affect election, but claims are the Hillary knew and banished him.  So maybe some tap dancing.  Worst nightmare election cycle ever gets even worse. 
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To good to not check, Yeah this is happening. This election is like getting randomly whacked upside the head with a sea bass by ninjas dressed in clown costumes like once a week when you walk outside your house.

 
Example: as of 3 weeks ago we could have discussed what will be the no. 1 issue from first presidential debate from one of the following.

A. Trade.

B. Foreign policy.

C. Beauty pageant contestant.

D. Taxes.

E. Ethics.

 
timschochet said:
There's a reason why Obamacare wasn't mentioned at the first debate: because none of the Republican predictions of gloom and doom have happened: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/republicans-predicted-an-obamacare-apocalypse-it-hasnt-happened/2016/09/30/7fa2c6c6-8709-11e6-a3ef-f35afb41797f_story.html?utm_term=.53353a5bfb8d
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you can certainly bone up on this in the Obamacare thread.   It is an abject failure on pretty much every point.  Check out the thread if you want the real story on the ACA.  If you don't want the truth keep relying on the Wash. Post. & quote them here.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
To good to not check, Yeah this is happening. This election is like getting randomly whacked upside the head with a sea bass by ninjas dressed in clown costumes like once a week when you walk outside your house.
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Arkansas prostitute Bobbie Ann WilliamsIn Little Rock, low-income housing projects are only about 5 blocks away from the Governor’s Mansion.It was common practice for Bill Clinton to go out jogging– only to disappear into the bushes to be serviced by prostitutes.One has to wonder what is swimming around the Petri dish that is Bill Clinton’s genitalia.Bill Clinton’s Illegitimate SonBobbie Ann Williams– a Little Rock street hooker— says she and Bill did cocaine together, as well as having a foursome with 2 other prostitutes in the country cabin of Bill Clinton’s mother, while Clinton was serving as governor in 1983-1984.Williams claims Bill Clinton sired her son Danny in 1985, though Clinton– deadbeat dad that he is– never claimed or supported him.

:lmao:

 
The Commish said:
Couple things here:

1.  This is in the employee sponsored market where ACA has yet to take effect.

2.  It's from well over a year ago.

I'd probably go to the ACA thread here to get more up to date information.  Might also want to dive into the individual market where the main focus is right now and get some numbers.  Our healthcare in the individual market should be brought up at every debate until it's fixed.  It's not going well.
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But the article I posted earlier, which was written only a day or so ago, basically said the same thing. The rate of increase has slowed down since ACA has passed. I am not claiming that is necessarily because of ACA, I am only pointing out that, in context, it makes complaints that ACA is driving up rates seem to be false thus far.

 
timschochet said:
But the article I posted earlier, which was written only a day or so ago, basically said the same thing. The rate of increase has slowed down since ACA has passed. I am not claiming that is necessarily because of ACA, I am only pointing out that, in context, it makes complaints that ACA is driving up rates seem to be false thus far.
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I'm sure this makes people feel better.

Oh look, Bill Clinton is accused of having an illegitimate child.

#lifewiththeClintonsintheWH

 
MaxThreshold said:
Hah!  Here we go again with this "False Equivalency!  False Equivalency!" nonsense.  I guess you can at least make yourself feel better about your choice by residing in fantasy land.

I pointed this out earlier, but you should know that parroting the "False Equivalency!  False Equivalency!  Sqwaaaak!  False Equivalency!" numerous times doesn't make it true.
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You may not like it, but a lot of people see Trump as worse than Hillary. Go ahead and call people names if you want.

So this may not resonate with you personally, but believe it or not there are people who can actually discern between two lousy choices without throwing their hands up in failure and proclaiming both as equally bad. They're not.

 
Mr. Ham said:
Drudge top headline is Bill's son by way of prostitute. :popcorn:

Can't see how it will affect election, but claims are the Hillary knew and banished him.  So maybe some tap dancing.  Worst nightmare election cycle ever gets even worse. 
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Ham, you were at least entertaining when your conspiracy theories seemed to be made up by yourself. But infowars? Drudge? jesus dude

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
Arkansas prostitute Bobbie Ann WilliamsIn Little Rock, low-income housing projects are only about 5 blocks away from the Governor’s Mansion.It was common practice for Bill Clinton to go out jogging– only to disappear into the bushes to be serviced by prostitutes.One has to wonder what is swimming around the Petri dish that is Bill Clinton’s genitalia.Bill Clinton’s Illegitimate SonBobbie Ann Williams– a Little Rock street hooker— says she and Bill did cocaine together, as well as having a foursome with 2 other prostitutes in the country cabin of Bill Clinton’s mother, while Clinton was serving as governor in 1983-1984.Williams claims Bill Clinton sired her son Danny in 1985, though Clinton– deadbeat dad that he is– never claimed or supported him.

:lmao:
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:lmao:

Amazing. Totally believable.

 
timschochet said:
But the article I posted earlier, which was written only a day or so ago, basically said the same thing. The rate of increase has slowed down since ACA has passed. I am not claiming that is necessarily because of ACA, I am only pointing out that, in context, it makes complaints that ACA is driving up rates seem to be false thus far.
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You keep talking about the group market

 
The Commish said:
timschochet said:
But the article I posted earlier, which was written only a day or so ago, basically said the same thing. The rate of increase has slowed down since ACA has passed. I am not claiming that is necessarily because of ACA, I am only pointing out that, in context, it makes complaints that ACA is driving up rates seem to be false thus far.
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You keep talking about the group market
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Rates Congress pays haven't gone up...ACA must be a success.

 
Slapdash said:
What are HRC's have plans to expand Obamacare?
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They're on her website in specific detail. But I don't think it matters since she would be blocked by Congress. 

With regard to this issue, Hillary represents status quo while a Trump presidency would attempt to dismantle ACA. 

 
BassNBrew said:
Rates Congress pays haven't gone up...ACA must be a success.
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The congressional plan should be the plan offered as the public option IMO.  Put them all together on the plan to make sure everyone is actually taken care of and they don't end up picking winners and losers.

 
timschochet said:
They're on her website in specific detail. But I don't think it matters since she would be blocked by Congress. 

With regard to this issue, Hillary represents status quo while a Trump presidency would attempt to dismantle ACA. 
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Thanks for a reason to vote for Trump, they're hard to come by.

 
timschochet said:
But the article I posted earlier, which was written only a day or so ago, basically said the same thing. The rate of increase has slowed down since ACA has passed. I am not claiming that is necessarily because of ACA, I am only pointing out that, in context, it makes complaints that ACA is driving up rates seem to be false thus far.
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One of the main selling points of ACA was that it was supposed to lower the costs. 

 
timschochet said:
They're on her website in specific detail. But I don't think it matters since she would be blocked by Congress. 

With regard to this issue, Hillary represents status quo while a Trump presidency would attempt to dismantle ACA. 
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So...none?  I'm not going to her website.

 
So, Hillary said something misleading to Benghazi families, and Bill may have fathered a child in 1985 in a state which has yet to discover DNA technology.

That's all you got??

 
timschochet said:
I think she'll reach out to them on a variety of issues, but the Republicans are so obstinate about not cooperating in this one, what can you do? 
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It's not just the Republicans on this one :shrug:   Look what the Democrats did to Obama's public option proposal.....by the way....this is a completely laughable answer.

 
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[scooter] said:
Of course she lied. She said "We will arrest the person who made that film", which is probably the worst lie that was ever told in the history of humanity. Because of that lie, four people were retroactively killed. Anyone who dares to contradict this is just part of the vast left wing conspiracy and is not a true patriot.
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The guy who made that film (that Clinton and team picked out of thin air here) is now homeless and penniless.  

The very least of the lives she's trampled in her drive for power.

 
timschochet said:
If the rate of increase has slowed down, then it has, hasn't it? 
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Only to political :hophead:

If the cost of something is $1 one day and costs $2 the next, the cost has increased.  It makes no difference that it didn't go to the predicted $3.

 
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Grace Under Pressure said:
You may not like it, but a lot of people see Trump as worse than Hillary. Go ahead and call people names if you want.

So this may not resonate with you personally, but believe it or not there are people who can actually discern between two lousy choices without throwing their hands up in failure and proclaiming both as equally bad. They're not.
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The difference being where people draw that line.  I, like a lot of people, probably have a much higher bar than you do.  So, if we've been lied to repeatedly we will draw that line a lot sooner than someone like you would.  

Example:  I would draw the line at being lied to at 5 times whereas it might take you 50000 lie attempts before you would draw that line.  For me, both candidates have crossed that "5 times" attempt.  So, to me, they are both are liars with no distinction anymore.

 
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The Commish said:
If the cost of something is $1 one day and costs $2 the next, the cost has increased.  It makes no difference that it didn't go to the predicted $3.
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It absolutely makes a difference if the rate of increase has slowed down. It's amazing that anyone could see otherwise. 

 
timschochet said:
The Commish said:
If the cost of something is $1 one day and costs $2 the next, the cost has increased.  It makes no difference that it didn't go to the predicted $3.
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It absolutely makes a difference if the rate of increase has slowed down. It's amazing that anyone could see otherwise. 
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Not to the statement of "it will reduce costs" it doesn't. Cost either goes up, down or stays the same.  Trying to make it any more "nuanced" than that is for :hophead: purposes only.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
The Commish said:
wow....that's pretty disgusting coming from anyone really.  Even if it were a "joke", it's pretty sad that people have such a disregard for human life to make that sort of joke.
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Hillary is described as "frustrated" and "terse" in the exchange. 
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I don't really care.  Any time anyone is being so cavalier with human life like that it bothers me, especially now that we have a government who's willing to do just those types of things to US citizens without due process.

 
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