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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (8 Viewers)

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NREC34 said:
Nothing to be had. 

They make stuff up all the time that the base eats up and get all lathered up about. Proclaim they can't understand how anyone could vote for her because they lap it up and then they yell Benghazi a couple of times. 

That's all they got...
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:lol:  yeah, like being the central figure in an FBI investigation in which they admit any other government employee would have been fired and probably criminally charged is 'nothing'.   Hillary has so much dirt on her going back to collecting FBI files on political enemies, to firing career employees to be replaced with cronies, to renting out the White House for political contributions, and selling political influence out to the highest bidder since her husband has left office.  It is really pathetic that these are our choices.  

 
Daywalker said:
All the exasperation will be worth it when I can thank all of my family/friends who support Drumpf for putting Hillary in the white house.  We could not have done it without you.

Will be four years, at least, of thank you's.  Each supreme court justice.  Thank you.
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That's about all I care about. I don't think any candidate or Party really has a chance of actually lowering my taxes. So, from my perspective, let's just get some social liberals on the SC and maybe some people open to taking a reasonable look at marijuana laws elected to State jobs, and call it a day.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
It's actually kind of brilliant.  He kept generating a bunch of little scandals on his own, the kind that didn't really bother his core supporters all that much, never giving his opponents the chance to work in their own material.  And it almost worked, if it hadn't been for those meddling kids.
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:lmao:

Scooby

 
jon_mx said:
:lol:  yeah, like being the central figure in an FBI investigation in which they admit any other government employee would have been fired and probably criminally charged is 'nothing'.   Hillary has so much dirt on her going back to collecting FBI files on political enemies, to firing career employees to be replaced with cronies, to renting out the White House for political contributions, and selling political influence out to the highest bidder since her husband has left office.  It is really pathetic that these are our choices.  
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Oops!

Benghazi!!!!!

emails!!!!

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Good posting of facts. I'd agree that given all this a consensual encounter was what most likely happened. My guess is being under oath in a national case probably was where she was put to the test and I'd hang my hat on that.
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Disgusting that this is politicized.  For 40 years, the woman has mantained her claim.  As a wise woman once was, rape victims deserve to be believed.  It doesn't parse with reality that she'd adamantly maintain her claim for nearly forty years if it were false.  It does parse that a rape victim goes through stages of fear, confusion, guilt, shame and instability.  

 
Really pass me off that that the media sat on this Acess Hollywood tape, and apparently there is more/worse. They'll lie and say it was just discovered, but it lends credence to the claims that the media is in the bag for Hillary.  This should have been released prior to the primary voting.  Instead, give us no choice and play chicken with Trump as President.  This election cycle is a travesty.

 
Mr. Ham said:
Really pass me off that that the media sat on this Acess Hollywood tape, and apparently there is more/worse. They'll lie and say it was just discovered, but it lends credence to the claims that the media is in the bag for Hillary.  This should have been released prior to the primary voting.  Instead, give us no choice and play chicken with Trump as President.  This election cycle is a travesty.
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NBC sat on this for 10 years? Yet they loved the guy as a star, gave him 3 million a year for The Apprentice and generally treated him like politictainment in their news, then someone (we don't know who) decided to leak out now.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
NBC sat on this for 10 years? Yet they loved the guy as a star, gave him 3 million a year for The Apprentice and generally treated him like politictainment in their news, then decide to leak out now.
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This is a baseless assumption on your part, and it contradicts the CNN article you just posted in the Trump thread. 

 
timschochet said:
This is a baseless assumption on your part, and it contradicts the CNN article you just posted in the Trump thread. 
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I just edited my post above. However it's not clear at all that NBC was going to run a story on it at all, they just say that now.

Trump was a key star in the NBC lineup. And Bush is on Today.

 
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timschochet said:
This is a baseless assumption on your part, and it contradicts the CNN article you just posted in the Trump thread. 
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Yes.  You believe everything in a Fallon talking point.  Was just found, for sure Tim. As is everything else that George Stepanopolous said this morning on GMA that the media has that's apparently worse.  I guess the networks decided this past week to search their archives for this up and comer "Trump" character.  So now they may find some damning stuff on him.  Seems timely.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I just edited my post above. However it's not clear at all that NBC was going to run a story on it at all, they just say that now.

Trump was a key star in the NBC lineup.
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They weren't aware of the tapes before. If you want to argue that they SHOULD have been aware, then that's a different point, and I might agree. 

But let's not go down the rabbit hole of yet another conspiracy theory that Mr Ham and people like him are pushing- that the media knew about this all along and planned to release it in order to do maximum damage to get Hillary elected, etc etc. Don't you get tired of this nonsense already? 

 
timschochet said:
They weren't aware of the tapes before. If you want to argue that they SHOULD have been aware, then that's a different point, and I might agree. 

But let's not go down the rabbit hole of yet another conspiracy theory that Mr Ham and people like him are pushing- that the media knew about this all along and planned to release it in order to do maximum damage to get Hillary elected, etc etc. Don't you get tired of this nonsense already? 
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I answered you in the other thread. Journalism's failures have played a big part in Trump's rise. NBC is a case example IMO.

 
timschochet said:
They weren't aware of the tapes before. If you want to argue that they SHOULD have been aware, then that's a different point, and I might agree. 

But let's not go down the rabbit hole of yet another conspiracy theory that Mr Ham and people like him are pushing- that the media knew about this all along and planned to release it in order to do maximum damage to get Hillary elected, etc etc. Don't you get tired of this nonsense already? 
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You do know who donates a large amount to HRC? If you don't know/see what is wrong with our media you are blind.

 
timschochet said:
They weren't aware of the tapes before. If you want to argue that they SHOULD have been aware, then that's a different point, and I might agree. 

But let's not go down the rabbit hole of yet another conspiracy theory that Mr Ham and people like him are pushing- that the media knew about this all along and planned to release it in order to do maximum damage to get Hillary elected, etc etc. Don't you get tired of this nonsense already? 
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It's clear that NBC clearly spent time and money to do some digging on every piece of media they had to find something, ANYTHING, on Trump.  I can completely understand that they would do that.

However, I think what can be argued is if they spent as much time and effort vetting Hillary they would also find more.  For example, no one can get the tapes of her speeches to Wall Street?  At all?  It had to leak from Guccifer?  All of the money and resources the media has and no one could track down anyone at the meetings?  Maybe everyone at every single on of those speeches won't talk.  Is that possible?

 
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Rape?  I don't know.

I don't think any of this happened though:

'I remember it as though it was yesterday. I only wish that it were yesterday and
maybe there would still be time to do something about what your husband, Bill
Clinton, did to me. There was a political rally for Mr. Clinton's bid for governor of
Arkansas. I had obligated myself to be at this rally prior to my being assaulted by 
your husband in April, 1978. I had made up my mind to make an appearance and then
leave as soon as the two of you arrived. This was a big mistake, but I was still in a
state of shock and denial. You had questioned the gentleman who drove you and Mr.
Clinton from the airport. You asked him about me and if I would be at the gathering.
Do you remember? You told the driver, "Bill has talked so much about Juanita", and
that you were so anxious to meet me. Well, you wasted no time. As soon as you
entered the room, you came directly to me and grabbed my hand. Do you remember
how you thanked me, saying "we want to thank you for everything that you do for
Bill". At that point, I was pretty shaken and started to walk off. Remember how you
kept a tight grip on my hand and drew closer to me? You repeated your statement,
but this time with a coldness and look that I have seen many times on television in the
last eight years. You said, "Everything you do for Bill". You then released your grip
and I said nothing and left the gathering. '

 
While at the end of the day I find it interesting the timing of the Trump ##### tape, it is largely irrelevant at the end of the day.  It was going to come out at some point and whether that was this past Friday, two weeks from now or several months ago doesn't change the fact of what Trump said in the audio. 

Trump didn't see this coming? I'm not sure how he or his team didn't anticipate things getting really ugly as the calendar hit October. The Clintons play to win, I actually think this is a positive.  I just wish Bernie had taking the same approach.

 
Years ago after the Steelers beat Seattle in the Super Bowl I spent several months arguing with people about the refs in that game. It didn't bother me that people thought the refs had made mistakes, but the charge that they had fixed the game deliberately in favor of Pittsburgh bothered me greatly and still does. It was senseless, without evidence. 

Ever since, I've come to realize that some people simply cannot except the role that chance and luck play in our lives. It gives them a sense of insecurity; they would much rather believe that everything is controlled, even if it's secretly controlled and against them. 

 
timschochet said:
Years ago after the Steelers beat Seattle in the Super Bowl I spent several months arguing with people about the refs in that game. It didn't bother me that people thought the refs had made mistakes, but the charge that they had fixed the game deliberately in favor of Pittsburgh bothered me greatly and still does. It was senseless, without evidence. 

Ever since, I've come to realize that some people simply cannot except the role that chance and luck play in our lives. It gives them a sense of insecurity; they would much rather believe that everything is controlled, even if it's secretly controlled and against them. 
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Insulting, condescending and naive all in one fell swoop. Remarkable.

 
timschochet said:
Years ago after the Steelers beat Seattle in the Super Bowl I spent several months arguing with people about the refs in that game. It didn't bother me that people thought the refs had made mistakes, but the charge that they had fixed the game deliberately in favor of Pittsburgh bothered me greatly and still does. It was senseless, without evidence. 

Ever since, I've come to realize that some people simply cannot except the role that chance and luck play in our lives. It gives them a sense of insecurity; they would much rather believe that everything is controlled, even if it's secretly controlled and against them. 
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It seems like YOU'RE the naive one here. ;)

 
“Don’t worry about it -- thank you,” he said. “You gotta feel sorry for them -- they had a bad day yesterday, so they’re trying to make it up. Give them a hand.”

He added, “Now let me say, this is what is the matter with politics: when other people pour poison down your throat, don’t drink it.”
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I think this is a preview of how Clinton's going to handle this stuff at the debate -- shrug it off and add no more fuel to the fire.

 
timschochet said:
Years ago after the Steelers beat Seattle in the Super Bowl I spent several months arguing with people about the refs in that game. It didn't bother me that people thought the refs had made mistakes, but the charge that they had fixed the game deliberately in favor of Pittsburgh bothered me greatly and still does. It was senseless, without evidence. 

Ever since, I've come to realize that some people simply cannot except the role that chance and luck play in our lives. It gives them a sense of insecurity; they would much rather believe that everything is controlled, even if it's secretly controlled and against them. 
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meh....I doubt there is a single person in this forum that doesn't acknowledge that chance and luck play roles in our lives (well, maybe one or two).  Where people push back is when EVERYTHING is chalked up chance/luck.  There are those, like you, at one extreme who play that card over and over.  There are those at the other end like Ham who can't let chance/luck be a part of the equation and then there are those in the middle that are of the "come on, no one lives that much of a coincidental life....enough is enough".  

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Something Democrats seem to 'get' is partly evaluating a primary candidate based on how they will do in the general. 2008-16 regular debates centered around the viability of Obama, Hillary and Sanders once they hit the general. I've almost never heard that issue among Republicans.
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Viability gave them McCain and Dole who both had trouble speaking in complete sentences and were ineffective candidates

 
MaxThreshold said:
Well, it's not like you should be calling anyone out with Hillary on your ticket.  I would think you would realize that before posting but then I remembered who you are.
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I strongly encourage you and all conservatives to continue believing that Hillary Clinton is equal to Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, and other people who think and act like Sarah Palin and Donald Trump. :thumbup:

 
[scooter] said:
I strongly encourage you and all conservatives to continue believing that Hillary Clinton is equal to Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, and other people who think and act like Sarah Palin and Donald Trump. :thumbup:
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Uhm...okay?

The fact that you don't think she's a POS doesn't means she's not a POS.  It means you can't really think for yourself for the most part.

 
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MaxThreshold said:
[scooter] said:
I strongly encourage you and all conservatives to continue believing that Hillary Clinton is equal to Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, and other people who think and act like Sarah Palin and Donald Trump. :thumbup:
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Uhm...okay?

The fact that you don't think she's a POS doesn't means she's not a POS.  It means you can't really think for yourself for the most part.
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I never said that I don't think Hillary is a POS. Personally, I think Hillary should be tried for her crimes and punished accordingly.

But that's not related to my point, which is that I encourage you to continue in your belief that Sarah Palin/Donald Trump is no worse than Hillary Clinton. :thumbup:

 
timschochet said:
Years ago after the Steelers beat Seattle in the Super Bowl I spent several months arguing with people about the refs in that game. It didn't bother me that people thought the refs had made mistakes, but the charge that they had fixed the game deliberately in favor of Pittsburgh bothered me greatly and still does. It was senseless, without evidence. 

Ever since, I've come to realize that some people simply cannot except the role that chance and luck play in our lives. It gives them a sense of insecurity; they would much rather believe that everything is controlled, even if it's secretly controlled and against them. 
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How's this even a comparable situation? Did we ever uncover any evidence of the NFL suggesting to refs to to tilt the game as best they could against Seattle? Cause we do have actual evidence of that within the DNC. It's been confirmed that it was secretly controlled and tilted against Bernie and his supporters.

 
Mr. Ham said:
Juanita Broaddrick Recounts Bill Rape and Hillary Intimidation

Posted above without proper description.  Sad this has to be covered by Breitbart and not msm.  Her testimony comes across as entirely authentic.  Face it -- this almost certainly happened more or less as recounted.   
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It's unfortunate that she did not go to the proper authorities in 1978, and it's even more unfortunate that she voluntarily signed a legal document swearing under oath that she was not raped.

Hillary: married to a man who, according to a sworn statement, did not rape a woman.

Donald: admits to sexually assaulting women.

 
ShamrockPride said:
How's this even a comparable situation? Did we ever uncover any evidence of the NFL suggesting to refs to to tilt the game as best they could against Seattle? Cause we do have actual evidence of that within the DNC. It's been confirmed that it was secretly controlled and tilted against Bernie and his supporters.
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It's unfathomable to me that Hillary's paid speeches leaked and she said overtly that she maintains a public face and a private one for back door dealing.  She broadcast that her intent to keep public records private and destroy records is part of her political philosophy which is makes people "uneasy to say the least" - and so must be hidden.  

We are supposed to be a Republic, with a government representative of all of our People.  Hillary fundamentally represents an oligarchy or corporatocracy, which is not consistent with our nation's charter.  

This election comes down to that agenda, and that she's lied so shamelessly while pursuing it.

 
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[scooter] said:
Hillary: married to a man who, according to a sworn statement, did not rape a woman.

Donald: admits to sexually assaulting women.
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Watch the video.  She felt guilty, as rape victims do. She felt responsible for decades.  And she was fearful and threatened.  Plus, she's one of about 20 accusers.  

I don't start with the position of defending Trump btw.  As far as I'm concerned, I think both Trump and Bill raped underage women as part of the Epstein ring.  To hell with both of them, and Hillary for enabling Bill.  

Watch the video.  She's telling the truth.  Makes absolutely no sense that 40 years on someone would lie with such attention to detail and raw emotion.  It happened.

 
Mr. Ham said:
https://youtu.be/zHh73fkDUIs

yeah -- that's someone lying about being raped. 
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"I do not possess any information that could possibly be relevant to the allegations advanced by Paula Corbin Jones or which could lead to admissible evidence in her case. Specifically, I do not have any information to offer regarding a nonconsensual or unwelcome sexual advance by Mr. Clinton."

 
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cstu said:
"I do not possess any information that could possibly be relevant to the allegations advanced by Paula Corbin Jones or which could lead to admissible evidence in her case. Specifically, I do not have any information to offer regarding a nonconsensual or unwelcome sexual advance by Mr. Clinton."
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She acted as rape victims of powerful people do.  What is her motive 40 years on to tell her story?  And have you seen the video and are you willing to victimize her yet again?

 
Rove! said:
Viability gave them McCain and Dole who both had trouble speaking in complete sentences and were ineffective candidates
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Yeah, they were decent candidates and dedicated public servants, but neither of them really grabbed me by the p#$$&.

 
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