Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (6 Viewers)

[TobiasFunke]

Typical   It's in the wikileaks dump, I linked to the original source, just because I know you like to attack the messenger rather than deal with the truth.

Fine, drop the messenger angle, and for that matter the veracity of the story itself ... what does this have to do with that nonsense conspiracy theory about AP and Clinton working together on a delegate count announcement in June?  Is your argument that because the NY Times checked with the Clinton camp about quotes in a profile, AP worked with Clinton on the timing of their announcement about her delegate count in June (even though their announcement actually kind of stole Clinton's thunder from the rally planned the next night)?  That's what you're going with?

Like I said- let it go, man.

Also FWIW I wasn't attacking the messenger from a "this can't possibly be true because it comes from Lifegazette" angle.  It was more of a "why in God's name would you read Lifegazette?" angle.

 

[Rove!]

Take a step back for a second.  You shouldn't care about locker room bragging about consensual conquests.  But, I sure hope you care when you hear about non-consensual sexual assault.  The latter is what Trump boasted about. 

"They LET you...." Sounds consensual to me...

comments were still vile

 

[cobalt_27]

"They LET you...." Sounds consensual to me...

I know you people exist, but it's always somewhat jarring when i come in contact with one in real time.

This, folks, is the rape culture.  Right there before your very eyes.

 

[TobiasFunke]

"They LET you...." Sounds consensual to me...

comments were still vile

We can see that you went back and edited this, so clearly you have some sort of a conscience or little voice in your head that knew what a disgusting post this was and told you about it.  A humble suggestion- maybe amplify that voice a little bit?

 

[Rove!]

I know you people exist, but it's always somewhat jarring when i come in contact with one in real time.

This, folks, is the rape culture.  Right there before your very eyes.

"...and then she let me feel her up"

"RAPISt!!!!!11!!111!"

 

[TobiasFunke]

Your position was grounded in the thought that an organization so highly esteemed as the Associated Press would never coordinate a message with a political campaign. All I'm doing is pointing out every time it happens, and that it's not a crazy conspiracy, but actually standard operating procedure for the press.

No, it wasn't.  It was grounded in the thought that they would not do so in that specific context, on that specific story, because the cost/benefit made no sense. The idea that coordinating on reports of a delegate count (even before the part about how that was actually contrary to the Clinton campaign's wishes) is remotely the same as coordinating on quotes to be used a profile puff piece is silly.

 

[knowledge dropper]

I know you people exist, but it's always somewhat jarring when i come in contact with one in real time.

This, folks, is the rape culture.  Right there before your very eyes.

Wow.  Calling guys that don't go ape over some dopey comments rapists?  I guess some of us just aren't used to dealing with such over sensitive drama queens.  

 

[TobiasFunke]

"...and then she let me feel her up"

"RAPISt!!!!!11!!111!"

The fact that you have to change so much about the quote to make it palatable should tell you something. Why not use the actual quote? Or if you want to talk boobs instead for some reason, just swap out the body part?

 

[cobalt_27]

Wow.  Calling guys that don't go ape over some dopey comments rapists?  I guess some of us just aren't used to dealing with such over sensitive drama queens.  

I know this might blow your mind, but one can be a part of the rape culture--fostering an environment where it is acceptable, if not encouraged--without having actually committed sexual assault (e.g., rape).

 

[knowledge dropper]

I know this might blow your mind, but one can be a part of the rape culture--fostering an environment where it is acceptable, if not encouraged--without having actually committed sexual assault (e.g., rape).

So you want to put guys in jail that talk about what women allow them to do?

 

[cstu]

Last night on CNN, Trump supporter and former New York Lt. Governor Betsy McCaughey pointed out that while what Trump said was bad, Hillary Clinton’s association with rap music proves that she doesn’t really care about lewd language. Host Don Lemon reminded her that rap music is not running for president.  

Paraphrasing "Hillary is a hypocrite because she likes Beyonce, who has some nasty lyrics in her songs."

 

[knowledge dropper]

Last night on CNN, Trump supporter and former New York Lt. Governor Betsy McCaughey pointed out that while what Trump said was bad, Hillary Clinton’s association with rap music proves that she doesn’t really care about lewd language. Host Don Lemon reminded her that rap music is not running for president.  

Paraphrasing "Hillary is a hypocrite because she likes Beyonce, who has some nasty lyrics in her songs."

Kayne is. 

 

[Rove!]

The fact that you have to change so much about the quote to make it palatable should tell you something. Why not use the actual quote? Or if you want to talk boobs instead for some reason, just swap out the body part?

The point is this

while I don't condone the tone and the way he talked about woman I think the sexual assault angle is a bridge too far.

i think most men have used non verbal cues during sexual encounters  and not explicitly asked  " may I kiss you "  "may I hold your hand" "may I feel your boobs" "may I kiss your neck"  "may I rub your thighs"  "may I grab your #####" at each step along the way.

since we don't have a long line or any woman saying stuff like " we were just chatting and out of nowhere he grabbed my #####" I have to give the benefit of the doubt that this may well describe mutually consensual activity....

 

[cobalt_27]

So you want to put guys in jail that talk about what women allow them to do?

What do you mean by "allow them to do?"

 

[knowledge dropper]

What do you mean by "allow them to do?"

He said women LET him do things. 

 

[cobalt_27]

I have to give the benefit of the doubt that this may well describe mutually consensual activity....

As the subject of dozens of sexual assault complaints, perhaps Trump does not deserve benefit of doubt that what he said didn't happen.  The most parsimonious explanation is his actions are exactly as he described it.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

The point is this

while I don't condone the tone and the way he talked about woman I think the sexual assault angle is a bridge too far.

i think most men have used non verbal cues during sexual encounters  and not explicitly asked  " may I kiss you "  "may I hold your hand" "may I feel your boobs" "may I kiss your neck"  "may I rub your thighs"  "may I grab your #####" at each step along the way.

since we don't have a long line or any woman saying stuff like " we were just chatting and out of nowhere he grabbed my #####" I have to give the benefit of the doubt that this may well describe mutually consensual activity....

http://qz.com/804486/the-women-whove-accused-donald-trump-of-sexual-assault/

You might want to actually look at Trump's history with this kind of thing before you go out on this limb. Dude is human garbage.

 

[cstu]

I don't support trump but I also don't give a #### about his locker room bragging. 

I highly doubt trump is getting any hot chicks he didn't pay for in advance

Good point - if he had just included the bold in his bragging this would be a non-issue.

" I'm automatically attracted to beautiful [women]. I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. I just kiss, I don't even wait. And when you've given them money, they let you do it. You can do anything — grab them by the #####. You can do anything. "

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Piece of advice - defending Trump even well intentioned or in a rational or logical way can lead to disaster. Very likely the next release maybe this week or next will show him doing what he talked about or confessing he did so. Normal rules are off with this guy.

 

[cobalt_27]

He said women LET him do things. 

Consensual sex does not involve a woman "allowing" or "letting" a man do what he wants to her.  What Trump described and you embrace is sexual assault.  

 

[TobiasFunke]

The point is this

while I don't condone the tone and the way he talked about woman I think the sexual assault angle is a bridge too far.

i think most men have used non verbal cues during sexual encounters  and not explicitly asked  " may I kiss you "  "may I hold your hand" "may I feel your boobs" "may I kiss your neck"  "may I rub your thighs"  "may I grab your #####" at each step along the way.

since we don't have a long line or any woman saying stuff like " we were just chatting and out of nowhere he grabbed my #####" I have to give the benefit of the doubt that this may well describe mutually consensual activity....

This is total nonsense. The context makes it very very very clear that he's talking about doing the things he describes- kissing and #####-grabbing- out of the blue, not "during sexual encounters."  You're not "giving the benefit of the doubt," you're doing mental gymnastics to avoid confronting just how awful Donald Trump really is.

As for the bolded, you're wrong. And who knows how many others there would be like that were it not for personal shame and nondisclosure agreements.

 

[knowledge dropper]

http://qz.com/804486/the-women-whove-accused-donald-trump-of-sexual-assault/

You might want to actually look at Trump's history with this kind of thing before you go out on this limb. Dude is human garbage.

The point is all you floppers are so upset about Trump allegedly coping a feel on someone that you let that silliness frame the election.

What about terrorism, affording college education, heroin epidemic, rotting infrastructure, stupid education standards, weekly race riots, out of control campaign funding, half the eastern seaboard under water, etc.  

Floppers......

 

[cstu]

Consensual sex does not involve a woman "allowing" or "letting" a man do what he wants to her.  What Trump described and you embrace is sexual assault.  

As I posted above, prostitution does.  The way he talks is as someone who has purchases women his whole life.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

What is this "floppers" thing? 

 

[Coeur de Lion]

The point is all you floppers are so upset about Trump allegedly coping a feel on someone that you let that silliness frame the election.

What about terrorism, affording college education, heroin epidemic, rotting infrastructure, stupid education standards, weekly race riots, out of control campaign funding, half the eastern seaboard under water, etc.  

Floppers......

Yeah, you're right. I was just getting ready to pull the level for the completely unqualified, bigoted moron until this came out. 

Your hero is a complete fraud, guy. He is a complete clueless mess on virtually every single policy issue, which is what everyone who isn't a blind imbecile has been saying for months. The fact that he's also a giant slimy piece of dog#### as a person is just the icing on the cake and makes for an entertaining diversion as people like you try to defend him.

 

[DocHolliday]

Hillary landslide.  I cannot wait for this election to be over.  At least then we will not have to listen to Trump.  Unfortunately, we will still have to listen to Hillary speak and make excuses for her shady dealings but I cannot take this.  This whole election process was an embarrassment to the US.  Neither of these candidates is a decent human being and have no business being the most powerful person on the planet. 

 

[knowledge dropper]

What is this "floppers" thing? 

These Hillary wonks fall over as easy as Vlade Divac and feign foul over everything.   It's sad. 

 

[cobalt_27]

As I posted above, prostitution does.  The way he talks is as someone who has purchases women his whole life.

The difference with hiring a prostitute is that the transaction is agreed upon well ahead of time.  What Donald is talking about is imposing himself sexually on women and that they don't fight him off, which Donald interprets as consent.  Respectfully, it's not the same thing.

 

[JZilla]

As I posted above, prostitution does.  The way he talks is as someone who has purchases women his whole life.

The way he talks is as someone who forces himself onto women who don't have any professional leverage to stop him 

Whoever defends that is a sexist ####head

 

[Gr00vus]

I think the sexual assault angle is a bridge too far.

Well, you're wrong. He was espousing sexual assault. There's no ambiguity, no uncertainty, no valid justification. Continuing to defend the indefensible, it does start to make people question your motivations, and eventually your character.

 

[DocHolliday]

The point is all you floppers are so upset about Trump allegedly coping a feel on someone that you let that silliness frame the election.

What about terrorism, affording college education, heroin epidemic, rotting infrastructure, stupid education standards, weekly race riots, out of control campaign funding, half the eastern seaboard under water, etc.  

Floppers......

This election has never been about any of the important topics.  And, none of those topics are going to be addressed in the next 4 years.  Hillary is going to be defending her corruption and fighting against the GOP every day. 

 

[knowledge dropper]

Yeah, you're right. I was just getting ready to pull the level for the completely unqualified, bigoted moron until this came out. 

Your hero is a complete fraud, guy. He is a complete clueless mess on virtually every single policy issue, which is what everyone who isn't a blind imbecile has been saying for months. The fact that he's also a giant slimy piece of dog#### as a person is just the icing on the cake and makes for an entertaining diversion as people like you try to defend him.

He's not my hero.  I voted for Kasich. You girls are just so dramatic on here. 

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

These Hillary wonks fall over as easy as Vlade Divac and feign foul over everything.   It's sad. 

Is this something you made up or should we anticipate seeing it everywhere from the Breitbart crowd?

 

[TobiasFunke]

This election has never been about any of the important topics.  And, none of those topics are going to be addressed in the next 4 years.  Hillary is going to be defending her corruption and fighting against the GOP every day. 

I dunno. I kind of think "should the American government practice religious discrimination?" is a fairly important topic, no?  I hear it even occupies a semi-prominent place on some sort of official document about governance.

 

[The Commish]

I can't even imagine what it's like in the Trump thread....holy cripes!

 

[Gr00vus]

You girls are just so dramatic on here. 

Interesting choice here. Is the word girls intended as an insult? If not, why did you choose it?

 

[cobalt_27]

He's not my hero.  I voted for Kasich. You girls are just so dramatic on here. 

Boys and girls, men and women should all be dramatic in opposition to sexual assault.  The rest of you fringe crackpots, I'm happy that you've consolidated in Trump's dumpster fire.

 

[cstu]

I dunno. I kind of think "should the American government practice religious discrimination?" is a fairly important topic, no?  I hear it even occupies a semi-prominent place on some sort of official document about governance.

Assuming you think Muslims are human beings worthy of the same rights as everyone else.

 

[knowledge dropper]

Interesting choice here. Is the word girls intended as an insult? If not, why did you choose it?

I just assumed.  

 

[DocHolliday]

I dunno. I kind of think "should the American government practice religious discrimination?" is a fairly important topic, no?  I hear it even occupies a semi-prominent place on some sort of official document about governance.

Is that why people are choosing one candidate over the other? 

 

[Coeur de Lion]

He's not my hero.  I voted for Kasich. You girls are just so dramatic on here. 

 You've been over in the Trump thread defending him for months, guy.

 

[Gr00vus]

I just assumed.  

Assumed what? And why?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Is that why people are choosing one candidate over the other? 

One of the reasons, for sure.  Respecting the rule of law is probably another, I think that's also a fairly important topic that I think people are considering. And there's plenty more like that.  Trump is a ####ing joke, but some of the things that make him a ####ing joke revolve around important issues.

 

[knowledge dropper]

Assumed what? And why?

I guess I don't know or hang around any men that start calling everyone rapists or contributing to rape culture for not worrying about some braggart comment Trump made a decade ago.  I figured only coeds from Sarah Lawrence made this their primary issue.  My bad?

 

[Gr00vus]

I guess I don't know or hang around any men that start calling everyone rapists or contributing to rape culture for not worrying about some braggart comment Trump made a decade ago.  I figured only coeds from Sarah Lawrence made this their primary issue.  My bad?

You think only coeds from Sarah Lawrence disapprove of espousing sexual assault?

 

[timschochet]

When I realized that my information had been wrong about Roman Polanski, I immediately apologized for what I had posted, yet ever since some people around here have brought it up with as a means of condemnation. What to do with those who attempt to minimize Trump's comments? 

 

[tommyboy]

Espousing sexual assault != locker room bragging. Are you o.k. with espousing sexual assault? Because that's what Trump was doing. Trying to pass that off as innocuous stupid guy banter is a pretty shameful thing to attempt.

Making up bs stories doesn't equal sexual assault. It means you're a blow hard.

 

[Gr00vus]

What to do with those who attempt to minimize Trump's comments? 

I'm going with pity and disassociation myself (outside of this message board anyway).

 

[timschochet]

From women that I have talked to, the most offensive aspect of Trump's comments was when he bragged that as a star he could "do anything". Far too many women have had to deal with men as bosses or in positions of power taking sexual advantage. A woman may go along with it, but that doesn't make it consensual; it means she is afraid to say anything. 

 

[Gr00vus]

Making up bs stories doesn't equal sexual assault. It means you're a blow hard.

Espousing sexual assault equals espousing sexual assault. There are lots of bs stories you can make up - when you start making up stories about yourself engaging in sexual assault it means you've got some serious issues which preclude you from being a candidate for U.S. President.

It's disturbing that you and others choose to continue to equivocate over this. It's not some ambiguous, opinion based concept we're discussing where there's a ton of grey area - there's right and wrong here. You and others are putting forth a lot of effort to defend wrong. Very troubling.