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Rove! said:
Latest FBI dump says that Hillary stole furniture and lamps from the State Department

she also stole silverware from the White House as first lady

on top of everything else, she's a common thief 
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Early in CLINTON's tenure as Secretary of State, she and her staff were observed removing lamps and furniture from the State Department which were transported to her residence in Washington, D.C.  REDACTED does not know whether these items were ever returned to the government upon CLINTON's departure from the State Department.
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- Pages 44-45, FBI Notes.

 
Despite having her own DS security detail, CLINTON continued to utilize a Secret Service security detail while at her residence in Chappaqua, New York. DS security would meet Secret Service security at the airport in New York and turn over protection to them. This practice was unknown to DS prior to CLINTON's  tenure  and often presented logistical problems to both services. REDACTED explained that CLINTON's treatment of DS agents on her protective detail was so contemptuous that many of them sought reassignment or employment elsewhere. Prior to CLINTON's tenure, being an agent on the Secretary of State's protective detail was seen as an honor and privilege reserved for senior agents. However, by the end of CLINTON's tenure, it was staffed largely with new agents became so difficult to find senior agents willing to work for her. REDACTED claimed to have had at least one conversation with Secret Service agents who experienced the same poor treatment.
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- Page 45, FBI Notes.

 
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CLINTON traveled in an armored vehicle whose passenger windows do not Open. This is a design feature for the protection of the occupants. However, the driver's window does open slightly. On one occasion while traveling to Palestine,  CLINTON ordered the limousine driver, believed to be REDACTED to open the window while in "occupied territory", referring to a dangerous area of the West Bank. REDACTED initially declined to respond to CLINTON's request; however, repeated demands by CLINTON forced him to open his window despite the danger to himself and the occupants.

REDACTED explained that security and diplomatic breaches were often communicated from the foreign post back to the Department of State via cables from the Regional Security Officer (RSO). These cables often described incidents like those described above. REDACTED recommended interviewing current and former RSOs from foreign posts visited by CLINTON during her tenure for more detail into these and similar events.
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- Page 44, FBI Notes.

 
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On a trip to Jakarta, Indonesia, in early 2009, CLINTON requested to visit an area of Jakarta that presented security and safety challenges. This visit was reportedly for a photo opportunity regarding CLINTON's "clean cooking stoves" initiative. The DS advance team recommended against traveling to this area because the route could not be secured and was lined with dangerous circumstances and individuals. As such, the DS advance team recommended in writing that this excursion be stricken from the schedule but were told by DS management that it was going to happen because "she wanted it." DS agents felt this excursion into potentially hostile areas placed CLINTON, her staff, the media, and her security detail in unnecessary danger in order to conduct a photo opportunity for "her election campaign." DS agents had the perception that CLINTON was using her position as Secretary of State to campaign for President of the United States. DS agents felt CLINTON traveled with hand-picked media who would present her in favorable light in order to garner political support. It was also believed that CLINTON disregarded security and diplomatic protocols, occasionally without regard for the safety of her staff and protection detail, in order to gain favorable press.
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- Page 44, FBI Notes.

 
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Not much discussion of all of the Hillary supporters agreeing to take the illegal campaign money.  For those that support Hillary, should criminal charges be levied for all that conspired in this pay for play scam?

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11915

It's simple.  Follow this money.  and if we had branches of government that actually cared about their citizens this would not be happening.  It's one branch now.  The Democratic Party.  Conspiring with the media, DOJ, NSA, and everyone else.  No need to follow any laws as this Democratic Party will never be held responsible.

These leaks unveil the truth in politics.  It's a criminal enterprise.  HRC is going to win this election both because she is running against possibly the most hated person ever, but also because her team was willing to do all kinds of illegal deals with foreign governments to get her the dollars to win.  I can't support that.  Maybe it's being naive, but I want people that actually care about what's best for the US and it's citizens.

- Fracking isn't best for us.  And her team know this too, but they went to where the money was.

- Secret handshakes with rogue governments for big campaign contributions aren't good for citizens of the US.  

- A media / DOJ / NSA all unwilling to do their job is not good for it's citizens.  

 
Undercover video released today of Democrats admitting that they started the violence at the Trump rallies.  It's pretty bad stuff.

Basically their job is to go in, wear T-shirts like "Trump is a Nazi", and incite violence.  

 
David Dodds said:
Not much discussion of all of the Hillary supporters agreeing to take the illegal campaign money.  For those that support Hillary, should criminal charges be levied for all that conspired in this pay for play scam?

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11915

It's simple.  Follow this money.  and if we had branches of government that actually cared about their citizens this would not be happening.  It's one branch now.  The Democratic Party.  Conspiring with the media, DOJ, NSA, and everyone else.  No need to follow any laws as this Democratic Party will never be held responsible.

These leaks unveil the truth in politics.  It's a criminal enterprise.  HRC is going to win this election both because she is running against possibly the most hated person ever, but also because her team was willing to do all kinds of illegal deals with foreign governments to get her the dollars to win.  I can't support that.  Maybe it's being naive, but I want people that actually care about what's best for the US and it's citizens.

- Fracking isn't best for us.  And her team know this too, but they went to where the money was.

- Secret handshakes with rogue governments for big campaign contributions aren't good for citizens of the US.  

- A media / DOJ / NSA all unwilling to do their job is not good for it's citizens.  
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Other than the non-stop discussion about this and the other things about Hillary? She's pathetic in her desire for power, barely anyone denies that.

 
Wkikileaks blocked from using the internet.  Coordinated effort to stop Assange and 14 other wikileaks operatives from loading up content.

Doubtful this will fully work (silencing the truth), but it shows that these leaks are rattling people in high places.

 
David Dodds said:
Not much discussion of all of the Hillary supporters agreeing to take the illegal campaign money.  For those that support Hillary, should criminal charges be levied for all that conspired in this pay for play scam?

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11915

It's simple.  Follow this money.  and if we had branches of government that actually cared about their citizens this would not be happening.  It's one branch now.  The Democratic Party.  Conspiring with the media, DOJ, NSA, and everyone else.  No need to follow any laws as this Democratic Party will never be held responsible.

These leaks unveil the truth in politics.  It's a criminal enterprise.  HRC is going to win this election both because she is running against possibly the most hated person ever, but also because her team was willing to do all kinds of illegal deals with foreign governments to get her the dollars to win.  I can't support that.  Maybe it's being naive, but I want people that actually care about what's best for the US and it's citizens.

- Fracking isn't best for us.  And her team know this too, but they went to where the money was.

- Secret handshakes with rogue governments for big campaign contributions aren't good for citizens of the US.  

- A media / DOJ / NSA all unwilling to do their job is not good for it's citizens.  
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THERE HE IS!!!!!!

 
shader said:
Undercover video released today of Democrats admitting that they started the violence at the Trump rallies.  It's pretty bad stuff.

Basically their job is to go in, wear T-shirts like "Trump is a Nazi", and incite violence.  
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From James O'Keefe who has a documented history of making deceptively edited and dishonest videos.

 
David Dodds said:
Wkikileaks blocked from using the internet.  Coordinated effort to stop Assange and 14 other wikileaks operatives from loading up content.

Doubtful this will fully work (silencing the truth), but it shows that these leaks are rattling people in high places.
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Yaknow, the US intelligence community has pretty much concluded that WL is essentially an NGO front for Russian intelligence services.

And I'm not saying that to make that point. I'm saying that Assange messes with the bull so he should have known that he will eventually get to meet the horns. That's true for do-gooder bloggers and nefarious quislings alike.

- eta - Btw not coincidentally Russia Today had its bank accounts in the UK frozen today.

 
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timschochet said:
OK so you want to see an end to our current two party system, which, with all its hiccups, has served us fairly well since 1865. 

At least IMO (others may differ) you haven't made a compelling argument for doing so. 
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I disagree with the bolded. It has served the rich that own the two parties fairly well. For the rest of us, not so much. 

 
David Dodds:

Wkikileaks blocked from using the internet. Coordinated effort to stop Assange and 14 other wikileaks operatives from loading up content.

Doubtful this will fully work (silencing the truth), but it shows that these leaks are rattling people in high places.
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Wow, what a misleading post. Very unfortunate and sad coming from you.

First off, there's no evidence to support ANY of this. All you have is Julian Assange claiming that his internet access was cut off (without Assange providing any evidence), plus ONE twitter post from a guy who CLAIMS that he spoke to 14 other Wikileaks task force members who also claim that their phones aren't working. (Hmmm. How was he able to contact all 14 of them so quickly if their phones don't work?)

I mean, come on -- "blocked from using the internet"?? The whole point of WikiLeaks is that you can't block the internet.

Also, it would have been nice if you had pointed out that this ONLY happened in another country, not the United States. If it happened at all.

 
Joe Summer said:
First off, there's no evidence to support ANY of this. All you have is Julian Assange claiming that his internet access was cut off (without Assange providing any evidence),
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Fwiw this is Assange's actual claim:


 


WikiLeaks Verified account ‏@wikileaks


We can confirm Ecuador cut off Assange's internet access Saturday, 5pm GMT, shortly after publication of Clinton's Goldman Sachs speechs.
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- So he's claiming Ecuador cut him off, which technically is the only way it could work.

- I have no idea why Ecuador would do this considering they are giving him refuge from Sweden. I also don't think they are particularly friendly to the likes of GS.  If Ecuador was done with him they would just kick him out the front door.

- However I also have no idea why Assange would (falsely) claim his protectors, Ecuador, did this.
 
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squistion said:
Yup.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/17/new_okeefe_video_clinton_campaign_dnc_coordinated_with_organizations_to_beat_up_trump_supporters.html

New O'Keefe Video: Clinton Campaign, DNC Coordinated With Organizations To Incite Violence At Trump Events
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I have no idea what his history is.  I just watched the video and saw the things that the DNC members said.  Not much room to twist their words.  I didn't listen to the "narrator" all that much, because it's pretty obvious that he's biased.

But the video itself seems to me, to be proof that these guys send people to disrupt rallies and encourage violence.

But if it's smarter to just ignore the videos due to the person who made them, I have no idea as I've never heard of this guy before this week.

 
renesauz said:
Doesn't this come back to a Citizens United discussion about free speech? IN the earlier days of our country, a lot those doctor types got elected. Perhaps that's because there was no TV, no radio, no internet. Advertising was extremely limited. Newspapers existed, but were primarily local. The rich still had an advantage getting THEIR speech out, but it was possible for those of lesser means to be heard.

That's not the case now. It's all about advertising, IE: MONEY. 200 years ago, someone could debate locally, then regionally, and inside of a few years be highly placed in Washington without ever taking significant money from donors. That's not possible today. It take millions to be elected to Congress, let alone to the Presidency.

If we're ever going to fix this (and I don't think we can), the first step is to recognize and remove the effects of big money donors, to get rid of Super-PACs, limit/revise corporate shrills in Washington, and open the opportunities to run for office to those without significant cash.
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Good stuff here. Again I don't believe I have the answer. I've made a suggestion just so I"m not complaining without offering a solution. I don't think we will find a solution until serious discussion begins. I don't think serious discussion will begin until there is a tipping point where people are so sick of voting for the lesser of two evils that they demand change. I'm hoping that tipping point is now. 

 
shader said:
I have no idea what his history is.  I just watched the video and saw the things that the DNC members said.  Not much room to twist their words.  I didn't listen to the "narrator" all that much, because it's pretty obvious that he's biased.

But the video itself seems to me, to be proof that these guys send people to disrupt rallies and encourage violence.

But if it's smarter to just ignore the videos due to the person who made them, I have no idea as I've never heard of this guy before this week.
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You obviously haven't seen his "work"

 
Sammy3469 said:
You obviously haven't seen his "work"
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I'm not going to get in an argument about his entire history.  I watched this video, and it looks pretty bad to me.  Maybe I'm being duped, but I don't see how.  But again, I believe the gov't, the DNC, the GOP, and all of them are already incredibly corrupt so it doesn't surprise me one bit to get video evidence that lends to that conclusion.

 
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shader said:
I'm not going to get in an argument about his entire history.  I watched this video, and it looks pretty bad to me.  Maybe I'm being duped, but I don't see how.  But again, I believe the gov't, the DNC, the GOP, and all of them are already incredibly corrupt so it doesn't surprise me one bit to get video proof of that.
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He a complete liar and fabricator of stories.

That's not up for debate. His stuff is not believable.

 
shader said:
I'm not going to get in an argument about his entire history.  I watched this video, and it looks pretty bad to me.  Maybe I'm being duped, but I don't see how.  But again, I believe the gov't, the DNC, the GOP, and all of them are already incredibly corrupt so it doesn't surprise me one bit to get video evidence that lends to that conclusion.
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Well that's convenient given he is a proven liar multiple times over. And all his videos look bad until we find out the parts he cut out. If this video is all you got you got nothing.

 
NCCommish said:
Well that's convenient given he is a proven liar multiple times over. And all his videos look bad until we find out the parts he cut out. If this video is all you got you got nothing.
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Fair enough.  I just thought it was an interesting video.  My apologies for bringing it up.

 
shader said:
Fair enough.  I just thought it was an interesting video.  My apologies for bringing it up.
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Guy is just the suck. If you had video from a more believable source I'd be with you. I really don't put it past the DNC or the RNC to do something like this. Just he is a bad messenger.

 
shader said:
I have no idea what his history is.  I just watched the video and saw the things that the DNC members said.  Not much room to twist their words.  I didn't listen to the "narrator" all that much, because it's pretty obvious that he's biased.

But the video itself seems to me, to be proof that these guys send people to disrupt rallies and encourage violence.

But if it's smarter to just ignore the videos due to the person who made them, I have no idea as I've never heard of this guy before this week.
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If the person who made the videos has a history of deceptively editing them you can't ignore the person, nor take the videos seriously. For example there are documented past instances where O'Keefe would ask a question, the subject would answer, however a different question would be dubbed in or substituted for in the video eventually released, so the person was not responding to what actually asked, giving a totally misleading impression.

Beyond the Breitbart alt-right crowd O'Keefe has no credibility.

 
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Somebody should tell Hillary she should aspire to something like "most transparent president ever" rather than "most bought and paid for president ever"

 
squistion said:
If the person who made the videos has a history of deceptively editing them you can't ignore the person, nor take the videos seriously. For example there are documented past instances where O'Keefe would ask a question, the subject would answer, however a different question would be dubbed or substituted in the video released, so the person was not responding to what actually asked, giving a totally misleading impression.

Beyond the Breitbart alt-right crowd O'Keefe has no credibility.
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Wow, a post where you came up with your own well thought out words.  Probably should edit this and post a tweet before too many people read it.

 
REDACTED was previously an agent with the the US Department of State, Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS). REDACTED left DS in  approximately REDACTED ... REDACTED was also a prior DS agent who, from 2007-2009, served as an Assistant Shift Leader on former Secretary of State CONDOLEEZZA RICE's and HILLARY CLINTON's protective details. REDACTED served briefly on former
Secretary CLINTON's protective detail in 2009. From her own experiencee, and information obtained through REDACTED and other agents,

REDACTED described a "stark difference" between RICE and CLINTON with regard to obedience to security and diplomatic protocols. RICE observed strict adherence to State Department security and diplomatic protocols while CLINTON frequently and "blatantly" disregarded them. For example, it is standard security and diplomatic protocol for the Secretary of State to ride in the armored limousine with the local U.S. ambassador when traveling in countries abroad. It is seen as diplomatic protocol for the Secretary of State to arrive at foreign diplomatic functions with the local ambassador; however, CLINTON refused to do so, instead choosing to be accompanied in the limousine by her Chief of Staff, HUMA ABEDIN. This frequently resulted in complaints by ambassadors who were insulted and embarrassed by this breach of protocol. REDACTED explained that CLINTON's protocol breaches were well known throughout Diplomatic Security and were "abundant."
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 - Page 43, FBI Notes.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
State is already rolling out thousands of official emails so it's already false, but if what BNB has is true then we will get the full breadth of just how extremely false it was.
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I was just posting it for laughs as it reads like a soap opera plot. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Hillary regularly flouted diplomatic and security protocol as SOS, that was the point.

So she comes across as an irresponsible SOS in the interview notes. I'll lay off the minutiae.
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I was always told that the thing about Hillary being abusive to her security detail was just the product of lying liars telling lies to sell books full of lies.  Shockingly, it turns out that those rumors were correct all along.  Who could have possibly imagined this turn of events?

 
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