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Such as a mainstream GOP candidate is highly unlikely to clear the built in demographic hurdles that the GOP faces and that it takes "outside the norm" candidate and/or circumstance to have a path?  Except you would be clearer using fewer words.
This. I'm not saying Hillary would have been a lock against any mainstream GOP candidate, but I think state demographics would have made her the favorite. I strongly disagree with Slapdash about this.

Look at the 2012 map: Kasich might win Ohio, but Hillary beats him in Florida. Rubio might win Florida, but Hillary beats him in Ohio. In either case Hillary wins Pennsylvania. And that's the ballgame.

 
This. I'm not saying Hillary would have been a lock against any mainstream GOP candidate, but I think state demographics would have made her the favorite. I strongly disagree with Slapdash about this.

Look at the 2012 map: Kasich might win Ohio, but Hillary beats him in Florida. Rubio might win Florida, but Hillary beats him in Ohio. In either case Hillary wins Pennsylvania. And that's the ballgame.
Ohio and Florida haven't gone separate ways in 24 years. 

 
I don't think this is a statistic that matters in this case. There are regional connections between bordering states, but there shouldn't be one between these two.
When you are born and raised in Ohio, you root for the Buckeyes, and retire in Florida. 

 
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There will only be one party after this election.

Amnesty for all the illegals ensures the Democrats win everything going forward.  These new citizens are going to vote for the people that gave them US citizenship.  

It does not matter what candidate (or even Party) opposes the Democrats.  The Dem's Criminal Enterprise control the media, all branches of the government, NSA, and the Oval office.  We are officially a one-party system that uses a giant bloc of Super Delegates to ensure the correct puppet always gets selected.

 
Rubio or Bush would have had the best shot, because they could have gotten Latino support. MAYBE that would have been enough. But again, the problem for Republicans is the same one they had with Romney, and McCain: white women in the suburbs. What we used to call soccer moms. In the last 6 national elections, these women voted for the Democrat 5 out of 6 times. That's a fairly significant sample. Why would they vote against Hillary? I think she probably wins no matter who the opponent is. I'm not writing this because I'm a fan, I just think it's a reality.

 
Rubio or Bush would have had the best shot, because they could have gotten Latino support. MAYBE that would have been enough. But again, the problem for Republicans is the same one they had with Romney, and McCain: white women in the suburbs. What we used to call soccer moms. In the last 6 national elections, these women voted for the Democrat 5 out of 6 times. That's a fairly significant sample. Why would they vote against Hillary? I think she probably wins no matter who the opponent is. I'm not writing this because I'm a fan, I just think it's a reality.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/23/women-female-voters-us-election-hillary-clinton

 
There will only be one party after this election.

Amnesty for all the illegals ensures the Democrats win everything going forward.  These new citizens are going to vote for the people that gave them US citizenship.  

It does not matter what candidate (or even Party) opposes the Democrats.  The Dem's Criminal Enterprise control the media, all branches of the government, NSA, and the Oval office.  We are officially a one-party system that uses a giant bloc of Super Delegates to ensure the correct puppet always gets selected.
IMO, about 95% of this post is nonsense which I see no point in bothering to refute (I doubt it would do any good.) But there is a small kernel of truth here: I believe that in terms of the Presidency, the Democrats are going to be very dominant- not because of illegals, but because of the growing legal Latino population in the southwest. Republicans however will continue to dominate state governments and the House of Representatives.

But as far as one party: the divisions between the pro-business wing of the Democrats (Hillary) and the progressive wing (Sanders, Warren) is going to dominate Presidential politics for years to come. And while I support the pro-business wing, I firmly believe the progressive wing is going to eventually win out.

 
The Trump base would be fired up for anyone who wasn't Hillary. The trick in the primaries is to try to hoodwink those folks without getting too much of their stench on you for the general. Trump just went in and #### and showered in it.
Right.  And what's to prevent someone else from showering in it in 2020?  

 
Not sure what has been posted regarding the crimes against Clinton's team as they are rolling in faster than I can type.  

Here are some great reads:  

People attempting to frame Assange as working with Russia / Paedophilia all exposed as working with Clinton team.  https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/587lbg/i_have_been_looking_into_the_san_fransisco/

Good news is the FBI will clearly be all over this...LOL

Great email from Huma to Podesta talking about the $12M Pay-to-Play scam from the Moroccan King. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/22030

One for Tim from the Wall Street Journal: http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-clinton-cash-two-step-1476919301

 
She's still Hillary and as unlikeable now as she was in May. 
I think you're missing the point here. She's the Democrat. Suburban white women are voting for the Democrat. They're not going to vote for a Republican just because they don't like Hillary as much as they like other Democrats. When it comes to issues (pro-choice, gun control, health care, jobs) they prefer the Democrat.

 
I think you're missing the point here. She's the Democrat. Suburban white women are voting for the Democrat. They're not going to vote for a Republican just because they don't like Hillary as much as they like other Democrats. When it comes to issues (pro-choice, gun control, health care, jobs) they prefer the Democrat.
I think you're missing the point here. She's Hillary. She's a lot worse than you are willing to admit. 

 
I think you're missing the point here. She's the Democrat. Suburban white women are voting for the Democrat. They're not going to vote for a Republican just because they don't like Hillary as much as they like other Democrats. When it comes to issues (pro-choice, gun control, health care, jobs) they prefer the Democrat.
She ran against a tomato can. It's a push.

 
IMO, about 95% of this post is nonsense which I see no point in bothering to refute (I doubt it would do any good.) But there is a small kernel of truth here: I believe that in terms of the Presidency, the Democrats are going to be very dominant- not because of illegals, but because of the growing legal Latino population in the southwest. Republicans however will continue to dominate state governments and the House of Representatives.

But as far as one party: the divisions between the pro-business wing of the Democrats (Hillary) and the progressive wing (Sanders, Warren) is going to dominate Presidential politics for years to come. And while I support the pro-business wing, I firmly believe the progressive wing is going to eventually win out.




 
The Progressives may get the popular vote and be loved by the people, but by the time Clinton leaves office I would expect the Super Delegates will count for at least 25% of the Primary votes.  This Cabal isn't handing over the ship anytime soon.

 
Thank you.

The Clinton campaign is filled with hardball, ruthless people who play to win. I don't think this is any surprise.




 
Read the Reddit thread so you can have your eyes open.  They also break a lot of laws in these hardball tactics you describe.  It's OK.  These tactics have hardened the hacker community to fight even harder.  You can't suppress the truth forever.  Drip, drip, drip... 

 
The Progressives may get the popular vote and be loved by the people, but by the time Clinton leaves office I would expect the Super Delegates will count for at least 25% of the Primary votes.  This Cabal isn't handing over the ship anytime soon.
I'm not going to use your language. But you're right, Hillary should win the nomination and the Presidency in 2020. However, I think the next President following her is going to be from the more progressive wing of the party.

 
Read the Reddit thread so you can have your eyes open.  They also break a lot of laws in these hardball tactics you describe.  It's OK.  These tactics have hardened the hacker community to fight even harder.  You can't suppress the truth forever.  Drip, drip, drip... 
You know what I think of Reddit.

But if laws are broken then those who did so ought to be prosecuted. Including Hillary. If it's proven.

 
:D I'm just looking at polling. I've given you my reasons for thinking as I do. I don't find your argument against me to be compelling.
I never post trying to convince you of anything. I realized you're not open minded a long time ago. I respond to your posts to provide balance in this forum given how ridiculously lopsided your worship of Hillary is. If I didn't, one day we'd have to read this forum sideways. 

 
Not sure what has been posted regarding the crimes against Clinton's team as they are rolling in faster than I can type.  

Here are some great reads:  

People attempting to frame Assange as working with Russia / Paedophilia all exposed as working with Clinton team.  https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/587lbg/i_have_been_looking_into_the_san_fransisco/

Good news is the FBI will clearly be all over this...LOL

Great email from Huma to Podesta talking about the $12M Pay-to-Play scam from the Moroccan King. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/22030

One for Tim from the Wall Street Journal: http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-clinton-cash-two-step-1476919301
Hadn't seen the first one yet.  Good stuff here

 
She's still Hillary and as unlikeable now as she was in May.
Even if Hillary has done nothing to earn a more favorable opinion from women on her own last night's "nasty woman" alone would almost have to make this statement laughable to anyone giving it a second of thought.  It might be a fleeting, trivial bump that has no bearing on the election, but the evidence is pretty strong that this statement as well as how aggressive that Trump was with interrupting Hillary and other actions have created at least a bit of sympathy for Hillary.

 
So: Hillary forwards this article to John Podesta and her lawyer Marc Elias:


 


F.E.C. Can’t Curb 2016 Election Abuse, Commission Chief Says


The leader of the Federal Election Commission, the agency charged with regulating the way political money is raised and spent, says she has largely given up hope of reining in abuses in the 2016 presidential campaign, which could generate a record $10 billion in spending.

“The likelihood of the laws being enforced is slim,” Ann M. Ravel, the chairwoman, said in an interview. “I never want to give up, but I’m not under any illusions. People think the F.E.C. is dysfunctional. It’s worse than dysfunctional.”

...

As a lawyer in Silicon Valley who went after ethics violators in California during her time there, Ms. Ravel brought to Washington both a reformer’s mentality and a tech-savvy background, and she has used Twitter and other media to try to attract young people and women to politics.

But her aggressive efforts have angered some Republicans, who charged that an F.E.C. hearing she scheduled for next week on challenges facing women in politics was not only outside the commission’s jurisdiction but a thinly veiled attempt to help the presidential bid of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Ms. Ravel called the accusations “crazy.”

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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/us/politics/fec-cant-curb-2016-election-abuse-commission-chief-says.html

On Sunday, May 3, 2015,

H <hdr29@hrcoffice.com<mailto:hdr29@hrcoffice.com>> wrote:

In light of this predictable statement of the obvious, what do you suggest we do?
- Hillary.

Podesta to Hillary:
 

On May 3, 2015, at 5:55 PM, John Podesta <john.podesta@gmail.com<mailto:john.podesta@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have no magic solutions other than execution. Elias may have some legal ideas to slow them down. We have 3 things we have to do. Raise the primary $ by expanding the bundler network. Get Priorities functional. Use this to scare our people into giving bigger sums. We may need to get WJC into the mix sooner. We should also ask BHO to do more in light of this, although they are kind of prissy about how they approach this.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/14580

- FEC isn't supposed to work like this.

 
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I'm not going to use your language. But you're right, Hillary should win the nomination and the Presidency in 2020. However, I think the next President following her is going to be from the more progressive wing of the party.




 
Doubtful.  The Podesta / Begala emails were pissed that Obama was able to win this from her in 2008.  This is never going to happen again.  Or if a Progressive wins, it will all be lip service.  There is no money in giving away free college.  You need the banks to be in crisis, a world close to war everywhere, and lots of arms to sell to make sure you get your kickbacks everywhere to stay in charge.  

 
There will only be one party after this election.

Amnesty for all the illegals ensures the Democrats win everything going forward.  
It's actually the abortion and definitely the gay rights stuff the republicans can't let go of. 

 
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I never post trying to convince you of anything. I realized you're not open minded a long time ago. I respond to your posts to provide balance in this forum given how ridiculously lopsided your worship of Hillary is. If I didn't, one day we'd have to read this forum sideways. 
tim's far more open minded than most on this forum.  His views have evolved over the years.  Have yours?

 
It's actually the abortion and definitely the gay rights stuff the republicans can't let go of. 
A lot of old people have to probably die off before they can kick such losing positions to the curb I guess.  Those two positions have done wonders to push young people away from the GOP for sure. 

 
Doubtful.  The Podesta / Begala emails were pissed that Obama was able to win this from her in 2008.  This is never going to happen again.  Or if a Progressive wins, it will all be lip service.  There is no money in giving away free college.  You need the banks to be in crisis, a world close to war everywhere, and lots of arms to sell to make sure you get your kickbacks everywhere to stay in charge.  
Trade is the key issue here. The progressive candidate in 2024 will come out against trade deals, and populism will easily defeat all of the forces you're talking about (as they did in the GOP this time around.) 

 
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