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Well that too!

Hey being from North Carolina, do you agree with my notion that history needs to reassess Andrew Johnson? Without his resistance, the South would have been plundered much more than it was, and its recovery would have been much slower, to the nation's detriment.
You might want to read up on the Black Laws. You might also read up on the effect of his pardons on whom was in charge. What he allowed to happen ensured the African Americans in the South would be oppressed for another hundred years. Whatever financial harm he prevented was minimal. It took the South a long time to come back. So no I don't think I do agree.

 
Basically, David Dodds is saying that Republicans are easily manipulated.
They bought the media and brought in Google's Eric Schmidt.  The media went after the moderate GOP candidates to stir up issues that were too moderate knowing the GOP voters would turn on them.  With a crowded field, they took out Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, etc. I agree it's semi-brilliant.  But the fact that it required $1.5 Billion to do is a tad alarming.  But I guess it takes a lot of money to buy off the media.

 
Basically, David Dodds is saying that Republicans are easily manipulated.
They bought the media and brought in Google's Eric Schmidt.  The media went after the moderate GOP candidates to stir up issues that were too moderate knowing the GOP voters would turn on them.  With a crowded field, they took out Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, etc. I agree it's semi-brilliant.  But the fact that it required $1.5 Billion to do is a tad alarming.  But I guess it takes a lot of money to buy off the media.
Don't forget that Trump was the primary attacker of both Bush and Rubio. None of the other candidates attacked them, and the media was very friendly to them until Trump spoke up.

It's almost as if........Trump.........was in on it........from the beginning.

 
Well she was right. That vote should have never been called. It had disaster written all over it. But it went forward and here we are. Further we should have made sure there was a candidate that wasn't a terrorist organization pledged to destroy Israel out there. Got to agree with Hillary on this one though it pains me.
You act like history started when Palestine had an election.  There are many factors contributing to them having a radical bent, not the least of which being Hillary's mass murder of brown people and military backing of Israel.  In any case it isn't her place to decide how another country's election goes.  

 
You act like history started when Palestine had an election.  There are many factors contributing to them having a radical bent, not the least of which being Hillary's mass murder of brown people and military backing of Israel.  In any case it isn't her place to decide how another country's election goes.  
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You act like history started when Palestine had an election.  There are many factors contributing to them having a radical bent, not the least of which being Hillary's mass murder of brown people and military backing of Israel.  In any case it isn't her place to decide how another country's election goes.  
No that was the subject at hand. If you want to make this a sweeping condemnation of US policy in the Middle East over the last half century or so right there with you. But when we are getting specific this was handled arrogantly and yes it is in everyone's interest for there to have been a more moderate candidate in the election with a chance of winning.

 
I'm fighting Huma Abedin Muslim jihadi emails from my family.  Help me.

Usually ends when I tell them she married and has a kid with a New York Jew.

Some say that is the deep cover.  Seriously.

 
No. I didn't say he was hysterical about Comey I said he was a drama queen and MSNBC is hack central. He is often overwrought and over the top. And MSNBC is the suck. The fact that you watch it is unsurprising.
Well it's no fun if you don't play his little semantics games when squis is in meltdown mode.  This is the third or fourth of the thread.

 
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The failure of Trump's GOTV effort is self-inflicted, significant, and mystifying. Suppose every aspect of this election cycle had been repeated and exactly the same except that Trump had spent money and organized a decent Get Out the Vote effort in each of the battleground states? It might have changed things. 

 
I'm fighting Huma Abedin Muslim jihadi emails from my family.  Help me.

Usually ends when I tell them she married and has a kid with a New York Jew.

Some say that is the deep cover.  Seriously.
Just laugh at them like we laugh at Beavers.

 
I do like how this is setting up for maximum entertainment with Trump winning the popular and HRC the electoral. 

 
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In and of itself, that's not a crime Comey will prosecute.  So, it adds to the degree of recklessness, but not by any measure criminality.
True.... however, if Weiner's laptop has a lot of the deleted emails, and the deleted emails have significantly more classified material than then ones she turned over, then the large amount of classified emails could be seen as her motivation for deleting emails under subpoena, and thus criminal intent. 

 
Nothings come out in the e-mails, right?  I haven't seen anything...
WASHINGTON – The FBI on Monday began loading a trove of e-mails belonging to a top aide to Hillary Clinton into a special computer program that would allow bureau analysts to determine whether they contain classified information, law enforcement officials said.

The software should allow them to learn relatively quickly how many e-mails are copies of messages they have already read as part of the investigation into the use of Clinton’s private server. The FBI completed that investigation in July and, along with prosecutors, decided not to bring any charges against Clinton or her aides.

Whether they will be able to complete their review by Election Day is unclear, although investigators have been under intense pressure from officials in both parties to do so since Friday, when FBI Director James Comey revealed the existence of the e-mails in an explosive letter to Congress.

 
Nothings come out in the e-mails, right?  I haven't seen anything...
Did you really expect anything to come out before the election?

That is why Camp Clinton was outraged - it is just sitting out there ripe for speculation and innuendo.  That is the story.  The ultimate center piece is figuring out why Comey sent the letter - does he have something, is he meddling in the election, is he being overly-cautious, is he being vengeful?

 
HRC going all crazy tonight with the Russia stuff leads me to believe the deleted emails are coming out very soon.  
It's odd that the dems made Romney look crazy when he played the Russia fear mongering card in 2012, yet playing the Russia fear mongering card is one Hillary's most important cards to play this year. 

 
Weak early voter turnout among African-Americans hurts Clinton in Florida


Black voters cast ballots in higher numbers in 2012 for Obama

Read more: http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/10/clinton-campaign-struggles-in-getting-african-americans-to-early-voting-polls-106931#ixzz4OkzTFr5f 
 

That was not the narrative I was getting from this thread...
Gotta put the full context out - thee Hispanic / Latino numbers, for example, are up in FL. That helps the Dems. And I don't see it surprising in the least that a shire woman is going to get less turnout from the AA community as opposed to Obama.

Overall, Mixed signals from what I heard yesterday. Nevada is similar to four years ago which is good, Ohios early voting patterns lean Republican... Texas is seeing a lot of new voters in dem areas, but that's more a trend to watch for 4,8,12 years than its effect on this election. 

 
True.... however, if Weiner's laptop has a lot of the deleted emails, and the deleted emails have significantly more classified material than then ones she turned over, then the large amount of classified emails could be seen as her motivation for deleting emails under subpoena, and thus criminal intent. 
Yes, that's possible.  

 
It's odd that the dems made Romney look crazy when he played the Russia fear mongering card in 2012, yet playing the Russia fear mongering card is one Hillary's most important cards to play this year. 
Really? Because we've lot the ability to use any context? You have a candidate in Trump for whom you almost have to ask this question and not at all in a baiting manner, but quite seriously.

He is on the record with questioning why not use nuclear weapons because why else have them. 

He has questionable ties to Russia and has praised Putin at the expense of our own President.

Hes shown a propensity for revenge and for quick emotional reactions regardless of their impact even on himself.

And trump is on the record asking the Russians to break American law to uncover dirt on his opponent. 

Within tgat context it would be irresponsible not to question whether Trumps temperment and alliances may be a combination for which there is a legitimate foundation for concern and even fear as it relates to nukes.

 
Chris Matthews making Trump's case:  :oldunsure:

Matthews asks his viewers, “Do you like the way things are, the way they’ve been headed in this country? Do you like the continued destruction of our manufacturing base, to the jobs that went with it? Do you like the uncontrolled illegal immigration? Do you like the string of stupid wars from Iraq to Libya to Syria?”

He continues, “If you want to say yes to all of that, you want to keep all of this the way it is, vote for Hillary Clinton. If you don’t like the way things have been headed, you’ve got a chance to really shake this system to its roots.”

“If you wake up the day after the elections, “Matthews says, “and it’s the same as it is today, and it’s the same for four, five or eight years from now, remember you had the chance to change it, but you were too dainty to do it.

 
Really? Because we've lot the ability to use any context? You have a candidate in Trump for whom you almost have to ask this question and not at all in a baiting manner, but quite seriously.

He is on the record with questioning why not use nuclear weapons because why else have them. 

He has questionable ties to Russia and has praised Putin at the expense of our own President.

Hes shown a propensity for revenge and for quick emotional reactions regardless of their impact even on himself.

And trump is on the record asking the Russians to break American law to uncover dirt on his opponent. 

Within tgat context it would be irresponsible not to question whether Trumps temperment and alliances may be a combination for which there is a legitimate foundation for concern and even fear as it relates to nukes.
OK, let's talk about context.

It wasn't but just a couple yeas ago that we were on the brink of invading Syria, when Putin stepped in and negotiated a cease fire between the rebels and the Syrian government... and many posters here were praising Putin for handling the situation better than Obama did. 

In no way am I saying Russia is the beacon of light in the world, but sometimes even Putin deserves to be praised at the expense of Obama. But hey, let's throw that context out the window so we can make Russia 100% evil again, and tie Trump to it. 

I don't even like Trump, but this whole Russia charade Hillary has hooked her wagon to requires an extremist view of Russia that didn't exist at all 4 years ago. 

 
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OK, let's talk about context.

It wasn't but just a couple yeas ago that we were on the brink of invading Syria, when Putin stepped in and negotiated a cease fire between the rebels and the Syrian government... and many posters here were praising Putin for handling the situation better than Obama did. 

In no way am I saying Russia is the beacon of light in the world, but sometimes even Putin deserves to be praised at the expense of Obama. But hey, let's throw that context out the window so we can make Russia 100% evil again, and tie Trump to it. 

I don't even like Trump, but this whole Russia charade Hillary has hooked her wagon to requires an extremist view of Russia that didn't exist at all 4 years ago. 
This whole anti Russia narrative is pretty reckless.  The reality is that Putin gave to the Clinton Foundation and got the Uranium One and Skolkovo deals done and Podesta has financial ties to Putin, as well.

 
Did you really expect anything to come out before the election?

That is why Camp Clinton was outraged - it is just sitting out there ripe for speculation and innuendo.  That is the story.  The ultimate center piece is figuring out why Comey sent the letter - does he have something, is he meddling in the election, is he being overly-cautious, is he being vengeful?
Or....he's doing his job.  Either way the guy was screwed from a political perspective.  This is the textbook definition of "no win situation".

 
It's odd that the dems made Romney look crazy when he played the Russia fear mongering card in 2012, yet playing the Russia fear mongering card is one Hillary's most important cards to play this year. 
It's not odd when one realizes Hillary is essentially a republican who has thrown a bone to democrats by voting "liberal" on things like same sex marriage (after first being against it of course).

 
Polls are mixed this morning but a new Pennsylvania poll shows Hillary up by a whopping 11 points. Probably an outlier but it's her best result in a few weeks. 

 
It's not odd when one realizes Hillary is essentially a republican who has thrown a bone to democrats by voting "liberal" on things like same sex marriage (after first being against it of course).
Why do people keep saying this when  it's been debunked, over and over again

Is it because her husband was moderate?  That was like twenty years ago!  A tremendous amount has changed in our country and our politics has changed since then.

 
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Or....he's doing his job.  Either way the guy was screwed from a political perspective.  This is the textbook definition of "no win situation".
That was the overly cautious part - certainly pursuing the investigation is part of his job - sending the letter to congress, informing the world is really the issue here.  Why did he send the letter?  Was he simply being cautious and wanting to correct his testimony - as he stated - or was he sending a message?

I don't believe he sent the letter because he felt an obligation to correct his testimony.  But, I have no other explanation that comes easily.  I think there are several plausible explanations:

  1. He has the goods, and is trying to avoid a scandal involving the president - by affecting the vote...
  2. He is sending a message to the Justice Department that they cannot control the FBI
  3. He is sending a message to his own people in the FBI that he has their back and won't be controlled by political hacks


If the reports are true that Justice - including Loretta Lynch - advised him against sending the letter, then I think that really cuts against him just "doing his job, and correcting his testimony".  Clearly the timing is critical here - he could have amended his testimony - to the extent it was really necessary - after the election.  The timing suggests an ulterior motive - I just can't figure out what it is...

 
That was the overly cautious part - certainly pursuing the investigation is part of his job - sending the letter to congress, informing the world is really the issue here.  Why did he send the letter?  Was he simply being cautious and wanting to correct his testimony - as he stated - or was he sending a message?

I don't believe he sent the letter because he felt an obligation to correct his testimony.  But, I have no other explanation that comes easily.  I think there are several plausible explanations:

  1. He has the goods, and is trying to avoid a scandal involving the president - by affecting the vote...
  2. He is sending a message to the Justice Department that they cannot control the FBI
  3. He is sending a message to his own people in the FBI that he has their back and won't be controlled by political hacks


If the reports are true that Justice - including Loretta Lynch - advised him against sending the letter, then I think that really cuts against him just "doing his job, and correcting his testimony".  Clearly the timing is critical here - he could have amended his testimony - to the extent it was really necessary - after the election.  The timing suggests an ulterior motive - I just can't figure out what it is...
Angling for a Fox News gig if Clinton wins.

 
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OK, let's talk about context.

It wasn't but just a couple yeas ago that we were on the brink of invading Syria, when Putin stepped in and negotiated a cease fire between the rebels and the Syrian government... and many posters here were praising Putin for handling the situation better than Obama did. 

In no way am I saying Russia is the beacon of light in the world, but sometimes even Putin deserves to be praised at the expense of Obama. But hey, let's throw that context out the window so we can make Russia 100% evil again, and tie Trump to it. 

I don't even like Trump, but this whole Russia charade Hillary has hooked her wagon to requires an extremist view of Russia that didn't exist at all 4 years ago. 
This is your take away? Do you not even bother countering the actual examples that I gave of why Trump? I mean, these are the exact frustrating tactics I'm talking about... the point of discussion I made, quite clearly (so I thought) is in relation to the legit fear of Trump considering his known and potential other ties/conflicts regarding Russian leadership and I should add, business interests, coupled with his own words regarding use of Nukes compounded by his decades of retaliatory, vengeful and erratic behavior most recently demonstrated almost daily on the campaign trail.

But sure, ignore the issue and go into how Russia may or may not be as evil as we are making her out to be... for that discussion we can discuss Ukraine and the like, but as you either ignored the content of my post or are trying to get off the subject, don't see that discussion as worthwhile to begin with. 

 
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Polls are mixed this morning but a new Pennsylvania poll shows Hillary up by a whopping 11 points. Probably an outlier but it's her best result in a few weeks. 
Wow.  Been heading the otherway it seems... that said, when was this poll taken? If it was before, or even just as the email debacle v12 was hitting press, then you'd have to hold some skepticism.  Even so, that's a huge lead in a key state.

 
Worth remembering as people light their hair on fire over a laptop.

In the end, the Department of Homeland Security and The Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued the statement on Oct. 7, saying: "The U.S. intelligence community is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations. ... These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the U.S. election process."

 
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