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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (4 Viewers)

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The Commish said:
One of the more entertaining themes in this election is the "Trump is a liar, he lies about everything" vs "He just said he'd do......." (oh...you mean the guy that lies about everything? Ok) shtick that has been going all over the googles.  Reality is, no sane or logical person has any idea what this ###### would do in office.  That's reason enough...no need to be that inconsistent in a position to prove a point.  Haters all around are in panic mode and grasping at some pretty bizarre straws.
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Seems simple enough. Yet, here we are.

 
Quez said:
 WikiLeaks needs to upload this stuff so people can search them.  Crowd sourcing has proven to be a valuable tool.
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If that stuff gets released we will be in a World war likely.  It will show how much the US government is involved in all the world's conflicts

 
jerry jones said:
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BTW, your response re-emphasizes my worst fears about Trump and his base.  You really don't care about "those" people.  It's clear as day. Look out for number one, and while you are at it, screw the rest.

That's an awful but accurate portrayal imo, and your response here suggests it all the more. 

 
Hang 10 said:
In fairness, I think Koya was just saying that he and his wife were hiding under their beds in fear of a Trump win because they're Jewish. It was Tobias that validated their fears with his links to the impending new holocaust. 
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If people were honest in their posts here, that is not at all what I was saying.  But go ahead and keep reinforcing two items

1. Your collective lack of critical thinking (the point was Holocausts happen, they have through human history, the will again. It's tremendously unlikely to happen here, but Trump talks that talk and has walked the walk so far... try even the slightest bit of nuance other than disingenuine tactics

2. The whole approach on this sickens me in regard to what I just posted about not caring about others... there appears to be an utter lack of any sympathy, not to even try empathy, for the position of others by your camp. Good for you on that. 

 
David Dodds said:
Problem is not going away.  
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Maybe, but if you ask people to read 21+ pages of something, few will comply - not saying they shouldn't, but that is asking too much of an investment of one's time if you are trying to convince people of whatever position you have on any issue.

 
FBI FTW!   How did Vince Foster move his body after he shot himself? Lmao!   This is great!  Another Project Veritas out today too!    

 
Koya said:
If people were honest in their posts here, that is not at all what I was saying.  But go ahead and keep reinforcing two items

1. Your collective lack of critical thinking (the point was Holocausts happen, they have through human history, the will again. It's tremendously unlikely to happen here, but Trump talks that talk and has walked the walk so far... try even the slightest bit of nuance other than disingenuine tactics

2. The whole approach on this sickens me in regard to what I just posted about not caring about others... there appears to be an utter lack of any sympathy, not to even try empathy, for the position of others by your camp. Good for you on that. 
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:lmao:

 
Koya said:
BTW, your response re-emphasizes my worst fears about Trump and his base.  You really don't care about "those" people.  It's clear as day. Look out for number one, and while you are at it, screw the rest.

That's an awful but accurate portrayal imo, and your response here suggests it all the more. 
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Leftists have a fundamental misunderstanding of the conservative mind

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
smdh.

Yes, this is Hillary's fault. Baked in flaw yet so much resistance on this very point.
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It's not Hillary's fault.  Part of her fault is her drive and ambition and blindness to what stands in the way.  It's liked faulting trump for being a narcissist... it's a terrible part of his makeup, but it's what he is at the core, can't "Blame" him.

But you CAN and SHOULD blame the DNC for this debacle.  The GOP gave their racist, radical, nationalist base the red meat they wanted.  The DNC gave their base that to a large degree was sick of all things Clinton, well, Clinton.  Shame on them perhaps above all in this mess.

Well, and the individuals that still don't admit what Trump is and has been for literally 5 decades.  But those are individual choices... the DNC as an institution utterly failed its constituency, showed no spine or leadership, and abdicated their responsibility. 

 
Koya said:
If people were honest in their posts here, that is not at all what I was saying.  But go ahead and keep reinforcing two items

1. Your collective lack of critical thinking (the point was Holocausts happen, they have through human history, the will again. It's tremendously unlikely to happen here, but Trump talks that talk and has walked the walk so far... try even the slightest bit of nuance other than disingenuine tactics

2. The whole approach on this sickens me in regard to what I just posted about not caring about others... there appears to be an utter lack of any sympathy, not to even try empathy, for the position of others by your camp. Good for you on that. 
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What is the bolded supposed to mean? Has Trump been pushing the final solution at his rallies lately or something? 

 
Koya said:
If people were honest in their posts here, that is not at all what I was saying.  But go ahead and keep reinforcing two items

1. Your collective lack of critical thinking (the point was Holocausts happen, they have through human history, the will again. It's tremendously unlikely to happen here, but Trump talks that talk and has walked the walk so far... try even the slightest bit of nuance other than disingenuine tactics

2. The whole approach on this sickens me in regard to what I just posted about not caring about others... there appears to be an utter lack of any sympathy, not to even try empathy, for the position of others by your camp. Good for you on that. 
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I am just glad my critical thinking isn't like yours. 

 
Opie:

Kudos to the Daily Commercial....a Florida newspaper that printed and editorial apology for its ongoing anti-Trump bias.

Try this: Google "Florida newspaper apologizes" and just see if ANY members of the MSM are carrying this story.

Mexico Daily has a story....but NOT a WORD from the MSM.
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Uhhhh....this is an editorial by a small local newspaper (population of Leesburg is less than 16,000). Major news outlets rarely pickup stories from small papers, let alone picking up (or even reporting on) an editorial.

 
sublimeone said:
Leftists have a fundamental misunderstanding of the conservative mind
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Perhaps they do.  Explain why I am a leftist then in your mind?

My desire for less gov't, especially in terms of intruding into our private lives?

My pro-gun rights stance, so long as there is a demonstration that your right to own a gun won't risk the lives of others (simple ways to provide that level of accountability)

A desire to rip apart the tax code... perhaps not oversimplified as a flat tax, but much more in that direction and geared to provide a fair means by which we collectively invest in our nation (meaning, not feeding ineficient gov't programs and hand outs that go to key interests)

Or the fact that I didn't vote Dem last time and have been in strong alignment with the Libertarian party the last two elections.

Maybe it's the fact that my first political contribution was to R. Paul - Senior.  Before I realized he was also an utter cook, but even so.

I await your response. 

 
squistion said:
Seriously, dude, how many links will anyone click on if told in advance it involves reading 21+ pages?  Apparently you will, but I think you are in exception,
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Dodds also summarized it for you, so, don't c/p long text, don't click to long docs, and don't summarize it either. Well that leaves pretty much nothing that will or can be absorbed by you. Congrats.

 
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This comes from a non-American board that I frequent - its a pretty astute observation from an outsider:

This election has been a disaster for American democracy. It's not just the candidates that are bad but the fact that the political issues which should be at the centre of the election are hardly being discussed and all the coverage is focusing on the character of the candidates and the polling results.

For democracy to work it needs an informed electorate and that is impossible when all we see are lies, misinformation and spin. With the possible exception of the Brexit referendum I can't remember an election when facts have taken such a back seat. Nobody is talking about the issues, instead preferring to appeal to the voters emotions and prejudices. Being caught lying doesn't seem to count against either candidate. People can't even be bothered to check the facts but simply believe what they want to believe and accept bald assertions of what the candidates claim they will do without even asking the obvious question "How will you achieve that?". In an age where information is available to all ignorance is a choice.

Trump is right about one thing - the system is rigged. Otherwise how can you explain how a nation of 320M people finds itself with a choice between Kang or Kodos? In any rational system both candidates should have fallen at the first hurdle as neither are competent, honest or decent human beings. Joseph de Maistre said "Every country gets the government it deserves" and sadly the USA has shown it deserves Clinton or Trump. Thomas Jefferson must be turning in his grave.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Wow that is a lot of pages. Well whatever you do don't look at it, whew, that was close.
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All the thousands of articles/links you have posted in this thread about Hillary's emails have turned out to be a big nothing burger. Now you expect us to read 21+ pages? Please.

 
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squistion said:
Seriously, dude, how many links will anyone click on if told in advance it involves reading 21+ pages?  Apparently you will, but I think you are the exception,
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You're right.  Dodds should have copied some of the really salient material and included it in his post.  That would have made for an easy synopsis for people who don't have time to read a longer document.

Edit: Oh wait, he did exactly that and you ignored it.

 
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Hang 10 said:
What is the bolded supposed to mean? Has Trump been pushing the final solution at his rallies lately or something? 
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He has been instigating additional violence against individuals.  He has fostered and formented the racist and anti-semitic at times chants at his rallies He has encouraged and never discouraged calling out the Press as the dirty Jews they are (the "Jew-S-A" guy is just one example)

He's talked about not allowing entire ethnicities in our nation.  He's not spoken against, and often used terminology and tactics taken, literally, from Nazi and KKK groups. He's talked about rounding up millions upon millions of people for immediate deportation.

See, the world is not white and black. it's all kind of grey.  Trump doesn't have to be pulling up the trains to the chamber to be stepping in territory that is still well beyond the pale. At least for people who have any respect for others.  To me, even one step in that direction is one too many.  And we've seen multiple steps in terms of rhetoric, planned policy and action (or inaction in the face of disgusting antics that Trump not only does not denounce, but encourages).

Does that at all make sense? It's hardly some way out there theory, it's not suggesting Trump is Hitler... but it also points out clear and repeated examples of similarities in terms of their approach, how they fire up the base, and their behavior.  That's not alarming in and of itself?

 
BeaverCleaver said:
I am just glad my critical thinking isn't like yours. 
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Paranoia, need destroyer. Paranoia, they destroy ya'

Well I fell asleep, then I woke feelin' kinda' queer
Lola looked at me and said ooh you look so weird
She said man, there's really something wrong with you
One day you're gonna' self-destruct
You're up, get down, I'll come work you out
You get a good thing goin' then you blow yourself out

Silly boy ya' self-destroyer. Silly boy ya' self-destroyer

 
Joe Summer said:
Opie:
 

Uhhhh....this is an editorial by a small local newspaper (population of Leesburg is less than 16,000). Major news outlets rarely pickup stories from small papers, let alone picking up (or even reporting on) an editorial.
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ESPECIALLY those small papers who apologize for the anti-Trump, biased articles being fed to them by the major new outlets.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
Yes, we should aspire to be more like the fact-based Brexit vote.  You know, the one where winning side's central argument was a blatant lie about funding the national health system, and the losing side told everyone was a lie but nobody seemed to care, and then the winning side admitted was a lie pretty much immediately after the election.

Please tell this presumptive Brit ("centre") where he can stick his electoral superiority.
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RIF - he is saying the BREXIT referendum was devoid of facts and issues - (and focused mostly on fear mongering)  In other words, he suggested this election was similar to Brexit in that regard...

 
squistion said:
a big nothing burger
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Funny, when Comey announced his 'no indictment' decision 2 weeks before the DNCC it was considered a political boon, the last obstacle Hillary had to overcome before her crowning and what looked like a surefire walk into the end zone in the general election. I distinctly remember you telling me the email issue was Ov-ah and really never existed. Sure.

 
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BassNBrew said:
:lmao:
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Says the crowd who's command of the english language apparently stops at :lmao:

:shrug:

Even if you can't stand my posts or perspective, I try to lay out cogent reasons and rationale.  You all just smiley face.  Like I said before, is the reason you won't actually put anything of substance forth because you don't have anything, you are unable to put your thoughts into written text, are too lazy to do so, or just too afraid?

Seriously, which is it? Plenty of folks have disagreed with me on these boards.  They have my respect for doing so. You all are literally earning a lack of respect for anything you say, by the sheer denial of actually participating in a discussion.  So again, dont have anything, can't do it, too lazy... or just too afraid?

I'll assume a couple emoticon responses that essentially tell me it's likely at least some, if not all the above.  Or ya know, you could actually stand up for yourself and your beliefs and not look like a clueless fool.  That choice is yours.  And for those who feel I look the fool, so be it - I've put myself out there.  Unlike the cowards who hide behind smilies and nothing of substance.

 
Sinn Fein said:
RIF - he is saying the BREXIT referendum was devoid of facts and issues - (and focused mostly on fear mongering)  In other words, he suggested this election was similar to Brexit in that regard...
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Yeah, ummm, about that ... :bag:

I see where he was going now.  I deleted my comment and I am taking an F in reading comprehension for the day.

 
Koya said:
Perhaps they do.  Explain why I am a leftist then in your mind?

My desire for less gov't, especially in terms of intruding into our private lives?

My pro-gun rights stance, so long as there is a demonstration that your right to own a gun won't risk the lives of others (simple ways to provide that level of accountability)

A desire to rip apart the tax code... perhaps not oversimplified as a flat tax, but much more in that direction and geared to provide a fair means by which we collectively invest in our nation (meaning, not feeding ineficient gov't programs and hand outs that go to key interests)

Or the fact that I didn't vote Dem last time and have been in strong alignment with the Libertarian party the last two elections.

Maybe it's the fact that my first political contribution was to R. Paul - Senior.  Before I realized he was also an utter cook, but even so.

I await your response. 
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When all the comments on Megyn Kelly videos are angry rants about her being a "liberal shill," I think we can safely say that leftist/liberal/etc. titles are not exactly what they used to be.

 
Koya said:
Says the crowd who's command of the english language apparently stops at :lmao:

:shrug:

Even if you can't stand my posts or perspective, I try to lay out cogent reasons and rationale.  You all just smiley face.  Like I said before, is the reason you won't actually put anything of substance forth because you don't have anything, you are unable to put your thoughts into written text, are too lazy to do so, or just too afraid?

Seriously, which is it? Plenty of folks have disagreed with me on these boards.  They have my respect for doing so. You all are literally earning a lack of respect for anything you say, by the sheer denial of actually participating in a discussion.  So again, dont have anything, can't do it, too lazy... or just too afraid?

I'll assume a couple emoticon responses that essentially tell me it's likely at least some, if not all the above.  Or ya know, you could actually stand up for yourself and your beliefs and not look like a clueless fool.  That choice is yours.  And for those who feel I look the fool, so be it - I've put myself out there.  Unlike the cowards who hide behind smilies and nothing of substance.
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:lmao:  Seriously try and relax. 

 
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Koya said:
BTW, your response re-emphasizes my worst fears about Trump and his base.  You really don't care about "those" people.  It's clear as day. Look out for number one, and while you are at it, screw the rest.

That's an awful but accurate portrayal imo, and your response here suggests it all the more. 
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:sleep:

 
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