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jon_mx said:
Your unemployment stat is true, but it ignores the fact that more blacks are nit even looking for work.  Your claim about poverty is blantamtly false, the poverty rate bottomed out in 1973, there are more blacks in poverty today than ever.  Let's look how blacks have done under Obama (see link below). 

But, more ominously, the seasonally adjusted labor-force-participation rate for black Americans across the board has slipped from 63.2 percent to 61.7 percent — down 2.4 percent.

The seasonally adjusted labor-force-participation rate for black teenagers also sagged from 29.6 percent to 28.8 percent — down 2.7 percent.

During Obama’s tenure, the percentage of black Americans struggling below the poverty line has advanced, according to the most recent Census Bureau data, from 25.8 in 2009 to 26.2 in 2014 — up 1.6 percent.

Real median income among black households during those years, according to the Census Bureau, sank from $35,954 to $35,398 — down 1.5 percent.

The number of black food-stamp participants exploded across that time frame from 7,393,000 to 11,699,000, the U.S. Department of Agriculture reports — up 58.2 percent.

Also, from Obama’s oath of office through the fourth quarter of 2015, the percentage of black Americans who own homes foundered from 46.1 percent to 41.9 percent, according to the Census — down 9.1 percent.Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433222/black-americans-barack-obama-going-backwards-under-president-obama
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And net worth for African Americans has continued to decrease (graph 3 here).  Sorry about those facts here cstu.  So much easier to throw out invective and conjecture, isn't it?

 
Dems with huge edge in early Nevada voting. Massive Hispanic turnout. 

As Koya noted above, Hispanic vote combined with huge and highly sophisticated Democratic Get Out the Vote effort likely to put this one away for Hillary. 

Have read some fascinating stuff about how Democrats have built on Obama's online edge and partnered with left-leaning tech leaders to do groundbreaking political stuff with big data. They know down to the individual level who their key voters are and have built effort that will literally take every single one of them to the polls if necessary. 

Meanwhile, Trump's ground game seems virtually nonexistent 

 
timschochet said:
Hillary visited Sex Island 6 times? Sure she did. 

We need to have a show about this, a new Fantasy Island, with special guest stars Donald Trump, both Clintons, Anthony Weiner, Alan Dershowitz, and lots of other celebrities, all coming to visit. 

Marco Rubio, who Trump called "Little Marco", could play the guy who yells "De plane! De plane!" at the start of each episode. 
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Skinemax.

Point of fact - Epstein did give like $3-4 million to the Foundation. Maybe more. 

 
The_Man said:
Dems with huge edge in early Nevada voting. Massive Hispanic turnout. 

As Koya noted above, Hispanic vote combined with huge and highly sophisticated Democratic Get Out the Vote effort likely to put this one away for Hillary. 

Have read some fascinating stuff about how Democrats have built on Obama's online edge and partnered with left-leaning tech leaders to do groundbreaking political stuff with big data. They know down to the individual level who their key voters are and have built effort that will literally take every single one of them to the polls if necessary. 

Meanwhile, Trump's ground game seems virtually nonexistent 
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Wait wait wait, you're telling me Trump's team doesn't use cutting edge metrics and data analysis?  Unpossible. 

 
Rohn Jambo said:
It's a sure bet that Hillary will be indicted.  Now, the question is how many other people will be arrested with her.
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How many millions does it take to become an agent?  I would like to see which ones the Clintons have crossed the line with.  

 
More on Nevada:

----The Democrats won Clark County by more than 11,000 votes Friday (final mail count not posted yet), a record margin on a record-setting turnout day of 57,000 voters. The Dems now have a firewall -- approaching 73,000 ballots -- greater than 2012 when Barack Obama won the state by nearly 7 points. The 71,000 of 2012 was slightly higher in percentage terms, but raw votes matter. The lead is 14 percentage points -- right at registration. You know what else matters? Registration advantages (142,000 in Clark). Reminder: When the Clark votes were counted from early/mail voting in 2012, Obama had a 69,000 vote lead in Clark County. Game over. - Ralston

http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog

 
James Daulton said:
The Foundation is not an ATM for the Clintons. 
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:P

Good one.  The Foundation is the vehicle that provides the slush money for all their private jet travel.  It provides the salaries for their political operatives.  That's what we know.  I'm sure there's lots we don't.

And to add:  from what we've seen that is technically true with regards to the Clintons.  But what we've seen is that donations to the CF have strings - direct payments to Bill for speeches, honorary chairmanships, etc. were expected.  Consulting fees from Teneo were also expected as they were the fixer doing the deals.

 
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Opie said:
As for Christie....we are including POTENTIAL mistakes?
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As someone in the NYC metro, who has followed this long before anyone nationally got wind, there is nothing potential about it.

Whether there is a legal burden of proof or not, it's clear Christie either knew about this (way likely unless you are just a dupe and his an utter idiot, and at least one of those is utterly untrue) or has no control over his subordinates, demonstrating in NCAA terms, a lack of institutional control. 

Also, don't blame me... blame your gilded idol: Trump on Christie - CHRISTIE KNEW ABOUT THE CLOSURES, BIGLY, gonna disagree with him too?

 
Sand said:
:P

Good one.  The Foundation is the vehicle that provides the slush money for all their private jet travel.  It provides the salaries for their political operatives.  That's what we know.  I'm sure there's lots we don't.
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They're rich enough to not need Foundation $ for that.  Remember they get paid a #### load for speeches. 

 
The only deal clincher for Clinton early in the process is Florida - which is why the campaign is spending so much time, money and effort there.  If she wins Florida, Trump has no viable path to victory.

 
James Daulton said:
They're rich enough to not need Foundation $ for that.  Remember they get paid a #### load for speeches. 
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And yet they do.  Ravenously greedy and all for providing access.  

The question always to answer here is why the donors give.  The answer is obvious and easy - access.   Blatant selling of government access.

 
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/04/500634439/rep-john-lewis-stumps-for-hillary-clinton

INSKEEP: Why do you think the early indications are in some key states, like Florida and North Carolina, that black voter turnout is down compared to 2012?

LEWIS: Well, during this week, the past few days, I've spent a great deal of time in Florida, in North Carolina yesterday, and I can tell you the African-American vote will be turning out in Florida, in North Carolina, not just early voting but on Tuesday November 8. They will be at the ballot. They will be casting their vote for Hillary Clinton. They believe in her.

INSKEEP: You can see why people would be concerned on your side, though, if the early vote is not there at the same rate that it was four years ago.

LEWIS: Now, I can understand why some people are concerned. But I've been out there meeting with people, talking with people, marching with people. We held a very successful march to the polls yesterday in Charlotte, N.C. We marched in Daytona Beach two days ago. I am convinced that there will be a high African-American vote at the polls on November 8 all across America.

 
Sand said:
:P

Good one.  The Foundation is the vehicle that provides the slush money for all their private jet travel.  It provides the salaries for their political operatives.  That's what we know.  I'm sure there's lots we don't.

And to add:  from what we've seen that is technically true with regards to the Clintons.  But what we've seen is that donations to the CF have strings - direct payments to Bill for speeches, honorary chairmanships, etc. were expected.  Consulting fees from Teneo were also expected as they were the fixer doing the deals.
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Such a slush fund that he Foundation gets a top ranking by all of the charitable watchdog groups.

But Sand from the interwebz knows better. 

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Your position is that Hillary didn't do anything wrong.

Hillary's position is that using a private server was wrong (though not criminal), and she's apologized for it.
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Vox piece on this is a good summary: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/4/13500018/clinton-email-scandal-bull####

 
Sand said:
:P

Good one.  The Foundation is the vehicle that provides the slush money for all their private jet travel.  It provides the salaries for their political operatives.  That's what we know.  I'm sure there's lots we don't.

And to add:  from what we've seen that is technically true with regards to the Clintons.  But what we've seen is that donations to the CF have strings - direct payments to Bill for speeches, honorary chairmanships, etc. were expected.  Consulting fees from Teneo were also expected as they were the fixer doing the deals.
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I think the consulting fees were to Teneo, not from Teneo.

 
I enjoy when people who mock links or info from a source that is ideologically slanted than link to a different source that it is ideologically slanted (that also happens to share that person's ideology)...

 
Trey said:
More on Nevada:

----The Democrats won Clark County by more than 11,000 votes Friday (final mail count not posted yet), a record margin on a record-setting turnout day of 57,000 voters. The Dems now have a firewall -- approaching 73,000 ballots -- greater than 2012 when Barack Obama won the state by nearly 7 points. The 71,000 of 2012 was slightly higher in percentage terms, but raw votes matter. The lead is 14 percentage points -- right at registration. You know what else matters? Registration advantages (142,000 in Clark). Reminder: When the Clark votes were counted from early/mail voting in 2012, Obama had a 69,000 vote lead in Clark County. Game over. - Ralston

http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog
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IIRC Ralston is considered the go-to political reporter in Nevada.  i.e. he's not just some crazy dude on a message board.

 
tommyGunZ said:
Breitbart is a joke and you know it.  You're far too intelligent for that trash.  
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Right.  But, TMZ and the National Enquirer are also trash, and they get stories correct from time to time.  

If you read my post, you saw I discounted the salacious part, but found the report that the NYPD has access to the computer to be both credible, and a greater potential for a leak down the road.  The source in the article - Erik Prince - is someone likely to have contacts in the NYPD - which lends credence to the claim the NYPD has/had the laptop.  It does not mean that anyone read the emails - but it means those emails are more likely to end up on wiki-leaks, than if the FBI was the only agency involved.

As for Breitbart itself - opinion pieces, and portions of articles, are obviously slanted - but you can still find potential nuggets among the facts reported.

 
Sinn Fein said:
I get news from all over.  I try to keep an open mind, and acknowledge known biases. :shrug:
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I don't mind finding out something from whacko sites like Breitbart, but that should be a starting point to research the story - not the ending point as it is for most Breitbart visitors.

 
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