Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

[Maurile Tremblay]

Your position is that Hillary didn't do anything wrong.

Hillary's position is that using a private server was wrong (though not criminal), and she's apologized for it.

Vox piece on this is a good summary: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/4/13500018/clinton-email-scandal-bull####

That article states that she violated State Department rules -- not exactly an argument that she did nothing wrong.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Thanks champ!

He's still not winning CO.

link to where I said he was winning colorado?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Breitbart is a joke and you know it.  You're far too intelligent for that trash.  

Side note: Something I heard on CNN which I will repeat here is that the Weiner & Epstein tie-in is an exacerbation of Hillary's problems because it's not limited to the NYT & WSJ, it's on Access Hollywood, the Enquirer and TMZ. It reaches people who don't ordinarily care about politics and also attracts scandal hunters who don't give a rat's tail about White House access.

 

[Slapdash]

IIRC Ralston is considered the go-to political reporter in Nevada.  i.e. he's not just some crazy dude on a message board.

Good to know.  Have been watching him on Twitter yesterday.  If true, Trump is smoked

 

[the moops]

What news sources should people be paying attention to that aren't slanted left or right?

That's a fair question. But when talking about Breitbart, their entire front page is one Trump advertisement, with countless anti-Hillary and pro-trump trinkets and ####.

 

[Slapdash]

Member when Obama killed Breitbart before the election?

 

[Mile High]

link to where I said he was winning colorado?

I don't think he's winning Colorado either, but a local newscast last night was talking about how it's closer here then you might think. Anything is possible.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I don't think I've ever seen a candidate as good as Donald Trump is at getting his opponent's low propensity voters out.

This is something I was thinking about this morning - I think more people are turning out to vote for Clinton, than are turning out to vote for Trump.  There are still a lot of people who are voting against the opponent - but ultimately, I do think that Clinton actually has a more motivated base - in addition to a better ground game.

In the end, I think the late close by Trump will only help the GOP in down-ticket races, its not enough for him to overcome his own obstacles.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I don't think I've ever seen a candidate as good as Donald Trump is at getting his opponent's low propensity voters out.

Exactly. One of her big flaws was going to be low voter enthusiasm. Trump fixed that.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I enjoy when people who mock links or info from a source that is ideologically slanted than link to a different source that it is ideologically slanted (that also happens to share that person's ideology)...

Equating Vox and Breitbart is silly.  

 

[Sinn Fein]

Equating Vox and Breitbart is silly.  

I am pretty sure both sides of the aisle would agree with that assessment.

 

[tommyGunZ]

That's a fair question. But when talking about Breitbart, their entire front page is one Trump advertisement, with countless anti-Hillary and pro-trump trinkets and ####.

Breitbart's EIC is Trump'a leading campaign advisor.  Literally.  

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

I've been in here ragging on Hillary since before she was the nominee. I have voted against her directly twice, in 2008 and in 2016.

I'm here today to say that I'm voting for Hillary Clinton, and I'll be proud to do it. She's got a good platform, please read it. She is a policy person, and a person that my daughter can look up to. I absolutely can't stand the thought of Trump winning, and having to explain that to my daughter. He's clearly a buffoon and a racist, plainly.

Folks, it's not that complicated. Donald Trump is a big problem. Hillary Clinton has a platform and policies that would seek to move America forward. See it for what it is, simply. Thanks folks, it's been fun. See you on election night.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Equating Vox and Breitbart is silly.  

Only in your mind

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/

 

[cstu]

So they donate to the Foundation and pay him to speak?  Why not just pay him to speak?

 

[Henry Ford]

This is something I was thinking about this morning - I think more people are turning out to vote for Clinton, than are turning out to vote for Trump.  There are still a lot of people who are voting against the opponent - but ultimately, I do think that Clinton actually has a more motivated base - in addition to a better ground game.

In the end, I think the late close by Trump will only help the GOP in down-ticket races, its not enough for him to overcome his own obstacles.

I heard on the radio yesterday - and I can't find a link - that 80% of the Latino early voters in Nevada are considered low propensity voters.  And that 100% of any Tuesday Latino votes in Nevada will be low propensity votes.  

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Kind of looking forward to the reaction if the election post-mortem shows that women and Latinos won the election for Clinton.

 

[Sand]

I think the consulting fees were to Teneo, not from Teneo.

Typo - that's correct. 

 

[Henry Ford]

Kind of looking forward to the reaction if the election post-mortem shows that women and Latinos won the election for Clinton.

Totally.  As a white guy, it is nice to feel like someone else has this covered.  So much pressure holding up the patriarchy.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Equating Vox and Breitbart is silly.  

Only in your mind

Vox is the counterpart to, say, The National Review -- not Breitbart. It definitely has a slant, but it is not off-the-rails insane.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Kind of looking forward to the reaction if the election post-mortem shows that women and Latinos won the election for Clinton.

ETA:  Not least of which because it drives a permanent wedge between the vast majority of GOP voters, and the GOP establishment.

There will be no fixing the GOP.  Moderates will either have to form a new party, or join Dems.

 

[Sammy3469]

I wonder what the reaction would be if Hillary called out military leaders trying to retake Mosul "losers"

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Totally.  As a white guy, it is nice to feel like someone else has this covered.  So much pressure holding up the patriarchy.

You still wear your white suit outdoors though, right? 

 

[Henry Ford]

I wonder what the reaction would be if Hillary called out military leaders trying to retake Mosul "losers"

The FBI would probably start campaigning for her opponent.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Kind of looking forward to the reaction if the election post-mortem shows that women and Latinos won the election for Clinton.

The shocker might be that it was the whites.

 

[Henry Ford]

You still wear your white suit outdoors though, right? 

Of course, Saints, I'm not some midwestern pig farmer.

 

[Trey]

IIRC Ralston is considered the go-to political reporter in Nevada.  i.e. he's not just some crazy dude on a message board.

Spot on. He's the guy to follow in Nevada. He called Reid over Angle when all polls were pointing to Harry's demise.  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I wonder what the reaction would be if Hillary called out military leaders trying to retake Mosul "losers"

Lost in this crazy campaign has been a couple moments where Trump has parroted Isis propaganda. Yeah would think people would react.

 

[Willie Neslon]

I've got a really bad feeling about Tuesday.  Whether the scary outcome happens or not it's going to be a dark night followed by some dark days. IF he loses we're about to see the end result of a year and a half of irresponsible Trump rhetoric.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Vox is the counterpart to, say, The National Review -- not Breitbart. It definitely has a slant, but it is not off-the-rails insane.

Exactly.  The Yglesias(?) piece is absolutely a presentation of the best-case for Clinton re: the e-mails.  It's biased.

But it's an interpretation that uses actual facts, doesn't rely on taking a paragraph of a 100 page document out of context, or use quotes said by someone who knew Clinton in 4th grade.  It's defensible using the norms of argument and evidence.

 

[tommyGunZ]

That article states that she violated State Department rules -- not exactly an argument that she did nothing wrong.

I think she did violate some state department rules.  Just like someone who drives 56 MPH in a 55 MPH zone violates the law.  

 

[Boston]

Equating Vox and Breitbart is silly.  

If everyone thought exactly like you I would agree...and if you don't know what you are getting with Breitbart than shame on you...

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I think she did violate some state department rules.  Just like someone who drives 56 MPH in a 55 MPH zone violates the law.  

 

[Boston]

I've got a really bad feeling about Tuesday.  Whether the scary outcome happens or not it's going to be a dark night followed by some dark days. IF he loses we're about to see the end result of a year and a half of irresponsible Trump rhetoric.

Haven't there been a decent amount of examples of attacks on Trump supporters or headquarters?

 

[Dedfin]

Dude, I just want to warn you that some Trumpkins here will report you so fast your head will spin.  I don't know how close to the line you are, but be careful.

 

[LittlePhatty]

The shocker might be that it was the whites.

The shocker will be how many registered Republicans vote for Hillary. I'm upping my guess to 18%.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Amy Schumer needs to stop helping.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The shocker will be how many registered Republicans vote for Hillary. I'm upping my guess to 18%.

Yep. Looking forward to those exit polls.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think she did violate some state department rules.  Just like someone who drives 56 MPH in a 55 MPH zone violates the law.  

'Quick, the Feds are coming, burn those speeding tickets!'

 

[cstu]

Your unemployment stat is true, but it ignores the fact that more blacks are nit even looking for work.  Your claim about poverty is blantamtly false, the poverty rate bottomed out in 1973, there are more blacks in poverty today than ever.  Let's look how blacks have done under Obama (see link below).

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433222/black-americans-barack-obama-going-backwards-under-president-obama

You mean to tell me black people haven't completely recovered from the biggest recession since the Great Depression yet?

The black poverty rate was 21.1% in 2015. I was wrong that it was the lowest in history - it was only 3rd lowest.  Under Obama the rate has dropped 3%.  Blacks certainly weren't better off in 1973 when it was 31.4%.

 

[cstu]

He paid $750k in 1988 dollars to settle the civil penalties portion of an antitrust suit.  Fined for racist treatment of employees in Atlantic City. Violated casino financing laws in 1991.  Broke lobbying laws in the early 2000s and paid a quarter million dollar fine.

He actually is literally a career criminal.  His whole business career he's used crimes to make money.

$1.5 million in 2016 dollars.

 

[cstu]

Yeah, I mean, there isn't a question who is the properly qualified person to actually run the country between these two.  She's a crook, but he's a filthy Times Square con man.  So this election isn't about honesty or likeability.  Neither has any of that.  It's about who can do the job.  And he can't.  

 

[jon_mx]

No, I mean him.  Three reasons:

1. The fact that someone's not been charged doesn't make him not a criminal;

2. Doesn't matter, he was personally named in the racism complaint, he is personally named in enough fraud and lobbying violation type cases to span his career.  He has acted criminally for about 40 years.

3. Read my wording. "His whole business career he has used crimes to make money." Why would you change my phrasing while trying to play a game of semantic "gotcha" with a lawyer? Come on, man.

I have no doubt these are the two most unethical major party candidates ever to run for president and that there are numerous criminal acts in both of their paths.  I would say most of their wealth was the result of certainly unethical/probably criminal acts.  Just the three examples you provided on the surface appeared to be acts of Trump's companies and not directly him personally.  Both candidates are pro's at hiring others to do their dirty work.  And your wording on number 3 I have no issue with, but that was not what I quoted. 

 

[cstu]

meh.

People were pretty pleased when the "Patriots" overthrew the British government in America, and people seemed pretty pleased when Lincoln took the country into a civil war to prevent a splintered country.

Democracy is not always clean and pretty.

If everyone just went along with the establishment - we would be Canada.  Let that sink in.

And yet when the subject of the Arab Spring comes up people like you think we should have done nothing to help because it hasn't all gone swimmingly so far.  Hypocrites.

 

[Abraham]

I have no doubt these are the two most unethical major party candidates ever to run for president and that there are numerous criminal acts in both of their paths.  I would say most of their wealth was the result of certainly unethical/probably criminal acts.  Just the three examples you provided on the surface appeared to be acts of Trump's companies and not directly him personally.  Both candidates are pro's at hiring others to do their dirty work. 

I love how you try to marginalize trumps rampant history of bad behavior by trying to lob Clinton in with him. "You know two things I hate most? Blue cheese and nazis. Those are the worst two things in the world"

 

[cstu]

Rare Joad Family reference, thank you.

But that's how you do it. I hear Republicans for years, 'they're driving people to the polls!' Yeah no sht sherlock why don't you do that?

 

[Sinn Fein]

And yet when the subject of the Arab Spring comes up people like you think we should have done nothing to help because it hasn't all gone swimmingly so far.  Hypocrites.

We did more than just "help"... Its not our role to overthrow other the governments of other countries imo

We have done far more harm in the Middle East over the years, than good.  Millions have died - and for what?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I think she did violate some state department rules.  Just like someone who drives 56 MPH in a 55 MPH zone violates the law.  

 

[Riversco]

Kind of looking forward to the reaction if the election post-mortem shows that women and Latinos won the election for Clinton.

The reaction will be everyone will put the election into the rear view mirror and look forward to the Clinton indictment.  Speculation on a Kaine presidency will begin in earnest.

 

[squistion]

Greg SargentVerified account ‏@ThePlumLineGS 19h19 hours ago

Dem pollster @StanGreenberg says Latino turnout in Florida is "explosive,"

adding that Dems "are stunned by the scale of it":