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He's smart enough to know that Republicans were going to go wild in their speculation.  It's clear in his letter to his own in employees that he knew he screwed up.
Comey has now cleared the air for Hillary. Twice. Once 2 weeks before her convention, the other 2 days before the general election. What was his thinking about how Republicans would react on those?

 
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Again, I don't know why this is so hard to understand for some people.  The contortions they put themselves thru and excuses they come up with to make themselves feel better is amazing.
you see...places take what yhey have said...and check the facts and come up with stats for it.

ITs not a contortion or excuse...its a statistic that shows one les more than the other.

That seems hard  for some people to underatand.

 
Comey has now cleared the air for Hillary. Twice. Once 2 weeks before her convention, the other 2 days before the general election. What was his thinking about how Republicans would react on those?
He gave an almost unprecedented press conference to appease Republicans when he closed the case, but can't be bothered to write a couple more clarifying sentences in a letter to Congress a week before the election?

 
He gave an almost unprecedented press conference to appease Republicans when he closed the case, but can't be bothered to write a couple more clarifying sentences in a letter to Congress a week before the election?
I'm just asking you what he was thinking on those 2 occasions? We know what he was thinking how GOP would react on the 'Update' letter right? I'm guessing he thought they would lose their sht over those statements, which they did.

 
A lot of good news for Clinton over the weekend.  Obviously the FBI wrapping things up helps a little, but the end of the SEPTA strike might be even bigger.  Plus Trump's campaign seems to have strayed off-message a bit again, picking fights with Jay-Z and Beyonce in a way that not only makes him look petty and juvenile and could energize black voters, but also highlights the shortcomings of his chosen musical surrogate Ted Nugent.  And picking a fight with the ADL seems like maybe not the way to go given the importance of Florida.

Still my concern is the same as it has been for months- Clinton wins the popular vote by 2-4% but Trump picks off the right combination of states to give him a narrow electoral college win. Something like this.The only result there that seems somewhat unlikely is Michigan, and Michigan seems particularly vulnerable given polling misses there in the primaries and the fact that Dems there rely so heavily on African-American turnout which might be slightly depressed this time around. Hopefully some of the union voters see that incredible NY Times article on Celia Vargas (stick around for the punch line) and vote accordingly.

 
He's smart enough to know that Republicans were going to go wild in their speculation.  It's clear in his letter to his own in employees that he knew he screwed up.
This doesn't really answer my question.  People are blaming the letter for being confusing.  Also, I missed his letter to his employees....anyone have a link?

 
Well this sheds some light on perspective for sure....WK and I are coming from completely different POVs on this one, which helps me understand his comments now.
What is your point of view? I don't understand.
My POV is much larger than this election cycle AND I haven't ever really compared the two to each other.  I think that's a fruitless endeavor.  I can't imagine a bar to be set any lower by doing that.

 
Meh. He should have weeded out that Briebart/NY faction before it came to this. He painted himself into a corner and didn't die.

I think Obama should call him up on 11/9 and tell him he needs to clean this #### up pronto and hire a LOT of women and minorities now or start on that letter of resignation.
It sounds like that fbi office was leaking to rudy and was going to leak further, so comey got out in front of it. I still lean towards trying to respect the institutions and processes that we have. Comey seems decent enough. I think the letter was too vague though and this result should have happened earlier.  The damage has been done but it looks like she should be ok ....

 
HRC campaign has pretty much pulled out of OH.  That says a lot. On the other hand she's trying real hard to lock down PA.  That also says a lot (I do think she gets PA).
I can't believe you would say this after she not only visited Ohio this weekend but also brought along a bona fide American hero and icon, J.R. Smith.

 
My POV is much larger than this election cycle AND I haven't ever really compared the two to each other.  I think that's a fruitless endeavor.  I can't imagine a bar to be set any lower by doing that.
Ok but I still don't understand. I'm not denying that Clinton lies. She does. But to me, it doesn't seem like she lies any more than any normal politician. And the data seems to support that. 

I think (and correct me if I'm wrong) that you think Clinton is an egregious liar. Upon what do you base that belief? 

Or is your point that even if she lies at a normal pace for a politician, that's still too much and therefore she is terrible? And we need politicians who don't lie at all. If that's your POV - ok. I just think its a little far-fetched to believe we will ever get there.

 
A lot of good news for Clinton over the weekend.  Obviously the FBI wrapping things up helps a little, but the end of the SEPTA strike might be even bigger.  Plus Trump's campaign seems to have strayed off-message a bit again, picking fights with Jay-Z and Beyonce in a way that not only makes him look petty and juvenile and could energize black voters, but also highlights the shortcomings of his chosen musical surrogate Ted Nugent.  And picking a fight with the ADL seems like maybe not the way to go given the importance of Florida.

Still my concern is the same as it has been for months- Clinton wins the popular vote by 2-4% but Trump picks off the right combination of states to give him a narrow electoral college win. Something like this.The only result there that seems somewhat unlikely is Michigan, and Michigan seems particularly vulnerable given polling misses there in the primaries and the fact that Dems there rely so heavily on African-American turnout which might be slightly depressed this time around. Hopefully some of the union voters see that incredible NY Times article on Celia Vargas (stick around for the punch line) and vote accordingly.
I don't think I understand the PA transit strike thing. First of all Hillary should win that state going away. Secondly I would think people staying home from work would help turnout? I also hope the authorities don't do any strikebreaking just for the election.

 
I don't think I understand the PA transit strike thing. First of all Hillary should win that state going away. Secondly I would think people staying home from work would help turnout? I also hope the authorities don't do any strikebreaking just for the election.
Poor people without cars. Walking to work and back getting home late and tired. Traffic etc. 

strike ended this morning though before the injunction hearing 

 
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Ok but I still don't understand. I'm not denying that Clinton lies. She does. But to me, it doesn't seem like she lies any more than any normal politician. And the data seems to support that. 

I think (and correct me if I'm wrong) that you think Clinton is an egregious liar. Upon what do you base that belief? 

Or is your point that even if she lies at a normal pace for a politician, that's still too much and therefore she is terrible? And we need politicians who don't lie at all. If that's your POV - ok. I just think its a little far-fetched to believe we will ever get there.
My comments weren't about the act of lying....they were about her honesty and they weren't in comparison to anyone or anything else.  My comment was more in the character context than anything else.  How many lies a person tells is virtually impossible to know unless you're following them around all the time, so these lists end up being "things they've lied about in public" sorts of metrics.  Not much interest to me.

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I think you're probably right that he'll be replaced.  I don't think it will be for "losing control of the FBI" though....tough thing is, we'll never know for sure why he's let go.  Honesty isn't one of Hillary's strong suits.  
My initial comment.....

 
Poor people without cars. Walking to work and back getting home late and tired. Traffic etc. 

strike ended this morning though before the injunction hearing 
Thanks, I guess I think of polling stations being fairly close to home, but I guess the transit is important. Anyway glad to hear it's settled.

 
I don't think I understand the PA transit strike thing. First of all Hillary should win that state going away. Secondly I would think people staying home from work would help turnout? I also hope the authorities don't do any strikebreaking just for the election.
I don't think Clinton will win the state going away.  Western Pennsylvania is basically West Virginia with an NFL team.

Transit strikes wreak havoc on cities generally. Very few people stay home from work if they happen, most have to find a way to go anyway.  But that means long commutes and traffic headaches, which brings down turnout- nobody wants to stop and vote if they're staring down a 90 minute commute or just finishing one and trying to get home to their kids.  And since Clinton needs big turnout in Philly and its suburbs to win the state, that could have done serious damage to her. 

Also, remember that for some people mass transit is their only means of transportation. If they can't get to work without mass transit, that also means they probably can't get to the polls without it too, unless they are within walking distance. Ad even if they are, some percentage of people who would have taken an easy bus or train ride to the polls will stay home instead.

Bottom line- loss of mass transit means lower turnout in and around cities, which is bad for Dems.  Thankfully it looks to be resolved this morning.

 
I know scores if not hundreds. None of them are getting into a tent with white nationalists
The linked speech is of a Hispanic gentleman who got "into a tent with white nationalists".  Fernando Cortes, a Mexican, was the keynote speaker at an event the Southern Poverty Law Center would deem white nationalist.  

Send the video to your hundreds of Hispanic friends and acquaintances.  Ask them if they agree with the Mexican speaker as do many of the people in the comment section claiming to be Hispanic.  Sharing the video with your a Hispanic friends could open a dialogue with them, and allow them to share views you were previously unaware they held.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uQaIEnQz6RY

To further explore this, you apparently don't have a problem getting under a big tent that includes black nationalists since plenty of black nationalists supported both of President Obama's campaigns, and some have remained on to support Hillary's campaign.  Why would a candidate receiving some of their support from racial nationalists be a deal breaker for your Hispanic friends, but it wasn't for you?

 
I don't think Clinton will win the state going away.  Western Pennsylvania is basically West Virginia with an NFL team.

Transit strikes wreak havoc on cities generally. Very few people stay home from work if they happen, most have to find a way to go anyway.  But that means long commutes and traffic headaches, which brings down turnout- nobody wants to stop and vote if they're staring down a 90 minute commute or just finishing one and trying to get home to their kids.  And since Clinton needs big turnout in Philly and its suburbs to win the state, that could have done serious damage to her. 

Also, remember that for some people mass transit is their only means of transportation. If they can't get to work without mass transit, that also means they probably can't get to the polls without it too, unless they are within walking distance. Ad even if they are, some percentage of people who would have taken an easy bus or train ride to the polls will stay home instead.

Bottom line- loss of mass transit means lower turnout in and around cities, which is bad for Dems.  Thankfully it looks to be resolved this morning.
Elderly and poor especially impacted with the buses. All running today though on alternative schdules but normal tomorrow. 

 
I don't think Clinton will win the state going away.  Western Pennsylvania is basically West Virginia with an NFL team.

Transit strikes wreak havoc on cities generally. Very few people stay home from work if they happen, most have to find a way to go anyway.  But that means long commutes and traffic headaches, which brings down turnout- nobody wants to stop and vote if they're staring down a 90 minute commute or just finishing one and trying to get home to their kids.  And since Clinton needs big turnout in Philly and its suburbs to win the state, that could have done serious damage to her. 

Also, remember that for some people mass transit is their only means of transportation. If they can't get to work without mass transit, that also means they probably can't get to the polls without it too, unless they are within walking distance. Ad even if they are, some percentage of people who would have taken an easy bus or train ride to the polls will stay home instead.

Bottom line- loss of mass transit means lower turnout in and around cities, which is bad for Dems.  Thankfully it looks to be resolved this morning.
That's generally not true in high density cities like Philly...though I agree with every thing else you wrote.  

 
This doesn't really answer my question.  People are blaming the letter for being confusing.  Also, I missed his letter to his employees....anyone have a link?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/28/read-the-letter-comey-sent-to-fbi-employees-explaining-his-controversial-decision-on-the-clinton-email-investigation/
Thanks...that's what's posted above.  Thought there was more given your comment.  I just don't see the perceived confusion or admission of wrong doing that the spin cycles have produced.  To me, it's all political :hophead:  

My 9 year old could understand the letter written to Congress and I see no problem with him explaining himself to his employees.  "I'm the boss and don't have to explain myself to anyone" (if this is where people are going with this...I really don't know) is stupid and very 1950s.

 
I'm just asking you what he was thinking on those 2 occasions? We know what he was thinking how GOP would react on the 'Update' letter right? I'm guessing he thought they would lose their sht over those statements, which they did.
My take is that he was in charge of a long investigation that had serious implications for the election so he gave a press conference to explain his decision to close the case.  Democrats didn't like the press conference but most reasonable people accepted the reasoning behind it.

I think had he explained the situation more in his letter to Congress (as he did later that day to FBI employees) then Republicans wouldn't have blown it out of proportion as much and the subsequent closing of the case a week later would not have provoked as much anger and accusations that the election is rigged.

Nothing he did was 'wrong' per se, but he failed to realize how misleading the letter to Congress was. 

 
:lmao: CNN. What a joke.  I don't care what side of the aisle your on, do journalism a favor and never watch this weak production ever again.

 
A lot of good news for Clinton over the weekend.  Obviously the FBI wrapping things up helps a little, but the end of the SEPTA strike might be even bigger.  Plus Trump's campaign seems to have strayed off-message a bit again, picking fights with Jay-Z and Beyonce in a way that not only makes him look petty and juvenile and could energize black voters, but also highlights the shortcomings of his chosen musical surrogate Ted Nugent.  And picking a fight with the ADL seems like maybe not the way to go given the importance of Florida.

Still my concern is the same as it has been for months- Clinton wins the popular vote by 2-4% but Trump picks off the right combination of states to give him a narrow electoral college win. Something like this.The only result there that seems somewhat unlikely is Michigan, and Michigan seems particularly vulnerable given polling misses there in the primaries and the fact that Dems there rely so heavily on African-American turnout which might be slightly depressed this time around. Hopefully some of the union voters see that incredible NY Times article on Celia Vargas (stick around for the punch line) and vote accordingly.
When Gore won the popular vote over Bush in 2000, the difference was less than 1%. I don't think Hillary can win the popular vote by 2% or more and not win the electoral college.

 
:lmao: CNN. What a joke.  I don't care what side of the aisle your on, do journalism a favor and never watch this weak production ever again.

Stopped watching cable news years ago. Anything else you're years behind the curve on you'd like to tell people about?

 
:lmao: CNN. What a joke.  I don't care what side of the aisle your on, do journalism a favor and never watch this weak production ever again.
Finally, something you and I can agree on. 

Cable news is garbage and have been garbage for most of the last year, as far as I can tell (I can only take it in short bursts).  Print media has been doing all of the heavy lifting this campaign, and they have been doing incredible work. I've already purchased online subscriptions to two papers as a result.  If Trump wins tomorrow I'm gonna add a bunch more, because we would need them.

Related- does anyone have any recommendations for watching the returns tomorrow?  CNN is out, I can't stand their 47 person NFL pregame show-style panel with campaign surrogates and whatnot.

 
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They were not very confident on Morning Joe today. I don't know if it is shtick or not, but practically every time I listen to that show it begins with: "well, everybody says Hillary is a lock, but we just don't see it that way..."

 
The linked speech is of a Hispanic gentleman who got "into a tent with white nationalists".  Fernando Cortes, a Mexican, was the keynote speaker at an event the Southern Poverty Law Center would deem white nationalist.  

Send the video to your hundreds of Hispanic friends and acquaintances.  Ask them if they agree with the Mexican speaker as do many of the people in the comment section claiming to be Hispanic.  Sharing the video with your a Hispanic friends could open a dialogue with them, and allow them to share views you were previously unaware they held.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uQaIEnQz6RY

To further explore this, you apparently don't have a problem getting under a big tent that includes black nationalists since plenty of black nationalists supported both of President Obama's campaigns, and some have remained on to support Hillary's campaign.  Why would a candidate receiving some of their support from racial nationalists be a deal breaker for your Hispanic friends, but it wasn't for you?
He's also a racist and just like them he wants Hispanics out of the U.S.

Your comment about black nationalists don't hold water because Democrats don't support their cause.

 
They were not very confident on Morning Joe today. I don't know if it is shtick or not, but practically every time I listen to that show it begins with: "well, everybody says Hillary is a lock, but we just don't see it that way..."
You keep watching, right?   How many ads did you watch?  :moneybag:

 
They were not very confident on Morning Joe today. I don't know if it is shtick or not, but practically every time I listen to that show it begins with: "well, everybody says Hillary is a lock, but we just don't see it that way..."
They don't want anybody staying home, thinking it's over. And closer is better for ratings. Are you really not catching on to how this works?

 
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Finally, something you and I can agree on. 

Cable news is garbage and have been garbage for most of the last year, as far as I can tell (I can only take it in short bursts).  Print media has been doing all of the heavy lifting this campaign, and they have been doing incredible work. I've already purchased online subscriptions to two papers as a result of their incredible work.  If Trump wins tomorrow I'm gonna add a bunch more, because we would need them.

Related- does anyone have any recommendations for watching the returns tomorrow?  CNN is out, I can't stand their 47 person NFL pregame show-style panel with campaign surrogates and whatnot.
Best thing about canceling cable is that I don't get sucked into watching cable news. 

 
When Gore won the popular vote over Bush in 2000, the difference was less than 1%. I don't think Hillary can win the popular vote by 2% or more and not win the electoral college.
I dunno.  I think there's some weird factors at work here. Most of Clinton's popular vote gains over Obama 2012 are in states that won't affect the electoral college. She'll outperform Obama in Texas (by a mile) and California, but it won't matter, and it likely won't matter in Georgia or Arizona either if she's only winning by 2-3% overall. Meanwhile Trump's non-college white coalition has outsize influence in the electoral college swing states.

There are basically three exceptions to this- Nevada, North Carolina and Florida.  Sounds like she'll win Nevada, but that's only six electoral votes.  North Carolina has the whole "blatant racism in polling locations and hours" thing which seems to be creating some big problems, I don't think she'll win it if she only wins by 2-3 points nationally. That just leaves Florida, which has its own African-American turnout problems and also has a different, more conservative and less Mexican Hispanic community than those other places.

Bottom line, just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't happen now. I think the states are less correlative than they have been in the past because of the bitter racial/ethnic divides.

 
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I like CNN's anchors quite a bit. But Tobias is right about the panels that are too large. And their Trump surrogates, particularly that little blonde chick, is just intolerable to watch. (I can't stand Jeffrey Lord or Corey Lewandowski either.)

But all that might be worth it in order to listen to David Axelrod speak. It's very rare to hear this kind of brilliant political analysis on television (or anywhere else for that matter.) I will probably tune in to CNN election night just for him.

 
They were not very confident on Morning Joe today. I don't know if it is shtick or not, but practically every time I listen to that show it begins with: "well, everybody says Hillary is a lock, but we just don't see it that way..."




 
They also didn't think Clinton would get a bump after the first debate. Haven't watched them since.

 
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I dunno.  I think there's some weird factors at work here. Most of Clinton's popular vote gains over Obama 2012 are in states that won't affect the electoral college. She'll outperform Obama in Texas (by a mile) and California, but it won't matter, and it likely won't matter in Georgia or Arizona either if she's only winning by 2-3% overall. Meanwhile Trump's non-college white coalition has outsize influence in the electoral college.

There are basically three exceptions to this- Nevada, North Carolina and Florida.  Sounds like she'll win Nevada, but that's only six electoral votes.  North Carolina has the whole "blatant racism in polling locations and hours" thing which seems to be creating some big problems, I don't think she'll win it if she only wins by 2-3 points. That just leaves Florida.
 

Bottom line, just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't happen now. I think the states are less correlative than they have been in the past because of the bitter racial/ethnic divides.
Well, I'm not smart enough to understand the math. Those that do assert that if Hillary is winning by 2% or more, she's winning the election. But you may be right that they're relying on assumptions from previous years that don't apply. We'll see.

 
I like CNN's anchors quite a bit. But Tobias is right about the panels that are too large. And their Trump surrogates, particularly that little blonde chick, is just intolerable to watch. (I can't stand Jeffrey Lord or Corey Lewandowski either.)

But all that might be worth it in order to listen to David Axelrod speak. It's very rare to hear this kind of brilliant political analysis on television (or anywhere else for that matter.) I will probably tune in to CNN election night just for him.
So basically you like news and analysis you agree with.  This is not surprising.  

 
Well, I'm not smart enough to understand the math. Those that do assert that if Hillary is winning by 2% or more, she's winning the election. But you may be right that they're relying on assumptions from previous years that don't apply. We'll see.
The math is not complex.  It is unlikely you can win by 2% and lose the election, but very simple to show it could happen.  It all depends on how the votes are distributed.  

 
With regard to your fears, Tobias, you're reflecting Ann Coulter's argument, made a couple of years ago even before Trump. She said, essentially, that the GOP autopsy of 2012 was all wrong, that Republicans don't need to worry about Latinos voting for Democrats because its mostly in two states that won't matter anyhow (California and Texas), and that the Republicans should go nationalist and try to increase the white vote, that would be enough to win.

Most experts thought (and still think) this is crazy talk. But the Republican base basically followed her advice. Now we're about to find out: is the white vote enough to win? Can the GOP survive without Latinos on their side? We'll know by Wednesday morning.

 
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