Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (3 Viewers)

[pantagrapher]

Just wanted to get an update here: did we successfully persuade Sinn Fein to vote for Hillary?

 

[timschochet]

Because she explains it there. She told them face to face that DF was the minimum necessary to get the pitchforks put down. And then talked about self-regulation.

Yes she was trying to convince them of an argument I personally find compelling. But given the amounts they contributed to Jen Bush and Marco Rubio, as well as to Republicans across the line in 2012 and 2014, I don't think they were convinced. 

Hillary is not Bernie and she is not Trump, and Wall Street prefers her to either, but they are NOT her friends. NC Commish, Slapdash and the rest are very wrong about this. 

 

[Slapdash]

I know what their intent is. But when you try to force that to happen through regulation, monopoly is often the result. Which is why I've always thought the Bernie Sanders types of the world were wrongheaded, though well meaning. 

False premise

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I know what their intent is. But when you try to force that to happen through regulation, monopoly is often the result. Which is why I've always thought the Bernie Sanders types of the world were wrongheaded, though well meaning. 

Who is with who these days?

FDR and the New Deal Democrats created a system of financial regulation which worked for decades and largely prevented the kinds of meltdowns that happened in the 1870s-1920s.

Then Bill Clinton and the Graham Republicans changed all that, then we had a meltdown in 2008.

But by all means let's recreate that rubric.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Yes she was trying to convince them of an argument I personally find compelling. But given the amounts they contributed to Jen Bush and Marco Rubio, as well as to Republicans across the line in 2012 and 2014, I don't think they were convinced. 

Hillary is not Bernie and she is not Trump, and Wall Street prefers her to either, but they are NOT her friends. NC Commish, Slapdash and the rest are very wrong about this. 

Well there's your establishment. They cover their bases. They really are fine with Jeb or Hillary.

 

[Slapdash]

Yes she was trying to convince them of an argument I personally find compelling. But given the amounts they contributed to Jen Bush and Marco Rubio, as well as to Republicans across the line in 2012 and 2014, I don't think they were convinced. 

Hillary is not Bernie and she is not Trump, and Wall Street prefers her to either, but they are NOT her friends. NC Commish, Slapdash and the rest are very wrong about this. 

Well there's your establishment. They cover their bases. They really are fine with Jeb or Hillary.

They'd prefer a guy like Jeb because he would cut their taxes even further though.  Hillary will just hold the line and help create new loopholes.  They're sure either will let them repatriate their tax-free foreign profits. 

 

[timschochet]

They'd prefer a guy like Jeb because he would cut their taxes even further though.  Hillary will just hold the line and help create new loopholes.  They're sure either will let them repatriate their tax-free foreign profits. 

Well at least you're willing to distinguish a LITTLE but between the two, but not enough in my book. 

Still I don't think we're that far apart. I too would like to see Wall Street regulated more even if monopoly is the risk. I'm pretty sure I'd like to see it more regulated than Hillary does, but less so than Bernie. Between the two I prefer Hillary but it's a matter of degree. 

Jeb and Marco would have removed Dodds Frank and other restrictions. I'm not generally in favor of that (I might be in principle but not in practice at this time. ) 

 

[Politician Spock]

Yes she was trying to convince them of an argument I personally find compelling. But given the amounts they contributed to Jen Bush and Marco Rubio, as well as to Republicans across the line in 2012 and 2014, I don't think they were convinced. 

Hillary is not Bernie and she is not Trump, and Wall Street prefers her to either, but they are NOT her friends. NC Commish, Slapdash and the rest are very wrong about this. 

I don't think she has friends. She has people she uses and people who use her in return. That's what they mean by "that's how politics works". 

 

[Slapdash]

Well at least you're willing to distinguish a LITTLE but between the two, but not enough in my book. 

Still I don't think we're that far apart. I too would like to see Wall Street regulated more even if monopoly is the risk. I'm pretty sure I'd like to see it more regulated than Hillary does, but less so than Bernie. Between the two I prefer Hillary but it's a matter of degree. 

Jeb and Marco would have removed Dodds Frank and other restrictions. I'm not generally in favor of that (I might be in principle but not in practice at this time. ) 

Only the pieces that actually harm Wall Street like the Volker Rule and CFPB creation.

 Again, the vast majority of Dodd Frank was written by Wall Street for Wall Street.  The vast majority of donations to both of their campaigns in the 2010 cycle came from the finance and related industries. Quit acting like Dodd Frank was some sort of Bernie Sanders/Beth Warren law.  Increasing the concentration of Wall Street firms isn't an unintended consequence; it was its purpose. 

 

[Koya]

I don't think she has friends. She has people she uses and people who use her in return. That's what they mean by "that's how politics works". 

I think this is an unfair character assassination with no basis at all. Sorry, but it de-legitimizes your valid points to just state she "has no friends" - none at all? None from the times she was in the deep south in the civil rights era?  None at all?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

They Always Wanted Trump


Inside Team Clinton’s year-long struggle to find a strategy against the opponent they were most eager to face.

...

It was supposed to be Jeb Bush, if you asked Democratic honchos in mid-2015, except when it was always supposed to be Scott Walker. Eventually, they insisted, it was always supposed to be Rubio.

But it was never supposed to be Trump.

Clinton circles' initial planning for Bush began even before Democrats’ wipeout in the 2014 midterms. In an October 31, 2014 memo, informal confidant and longtime friend Sidney Blumenthal mapped out a “CONFIDENTIAL” path for Clinton, which she then forwarded to aides Nick Merrill, Brynne Craig, Huma Abedin, Philippe Reines and Cheryl Mills, with the note: “Worth discussing elements.” Mills then forwarded the note to campaign manager-in-waiting Mook and Podesta.

“The Republican presidential campaign will begin on November 5th,” Blumenthal wrote. “If Jeb Bush doesn’t run, there is no viable establishment candidate. If he does run, he will be subjected to an unprecedented assault that might culminate in a splintered party, even a third party."

...

Six months later, Clinton associates' wariness of Bush and his likely financial firepower was still acute: Democratic pollster Celinda Lake wrote to Clinton adviser Minyon Moore to warn her that she’d been testing Bush’s economic message for a client. “It has been remarkably strong. Getting even half of african americans and democrats and two thirds of latinos. Some thought it ended too harsh. But the perspective on the economy has really worked. Now we didn’t tell people this was from bush. But it’s a warning."

So to take Bush down, Clinton’s team drew up a plan to pump Trump up. Shortly after her kickoff, top aides organized a strategy call, whose agenda included a memo to the Democratic National Committee: “This memo is intended to outline the strategy and goals a potential Hillary Clinton presidential campaign would have regarding the 2016 Republican presidential field,” it read.

“The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more ‘Pied Piper’ candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party,” read the memo.

“Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to:
• Ted Cruz
• Donald Trump
• Ben Carson
We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to [take] them seriously."

While the campaign also kept a close eye on Rubio, monitoring his announcement speech and tightly designing the tweeted responses to his moves, Clinton’s team in Brooklyn was delightedly puzzled by Trump’s shift into the pole position that July after attacking John McCain by declaring, “I like people who weren’t captured.”

Eleven days after those comments about McCain, Clinton aides sought to push the plan even further: An agenda item for top aides’ message planning meeting read, “How do we prevent Bush from bettering himself/how do we maximize Trump and others?"

...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Still I don't think we're that far apart. I too would like to see Wall Street regulated more even if monopoly is the risk.

See, this where the mistake is made. That's not regulation.

 

[jon_mx]

This inevitably ends up being true of almost all government regulations on businesses. But that  is almost never the intent of the authors. 

How is it not the intent?   The corporate lawyers have a hand in writing the legislation.  

 

[Slapdash]

Chris Dodd:


Top 5 Industries, 2005 - 2010, Campaign Cmte


Industry


Total


Indivs


PACs


Securities & Investment


$1,378,048


$1,142,848


$235,200


Insurance


$729,250


$323,150


$406,100


Lawyers/Law Firms


$710,476


$580,470


$130,006


Real Estate


$483,631


$325,555


$158,076


Leadership PACs


$339,500


$0


$339,500



Barney Frank:



Top 5 Industries, 2009 - 2010, Campaign Cmte


Industry


Total


Indivs


PACs


Securities & Investment


$383,816


$276,166


$107,650


Insurance


$277,949


$82,150


$195,799


Real Estate


$267,500


$207,500


$60,000


Lawyers/Law Firms


$219,314


$169,564


$49,750


Retired


$150,846


$150,846


$0

 

[Politician Spock]

I think this is an unfair character assassination with no basis at all. Sorry, but it de-legitimizes your valid points to just state she "has no friends" - none at all? None from the times she was in the deep south in the civil rights era?  None at all?

I think she stayed married to Bill for political reasons, and I think pretty much all her relationships are for the same reasons. She's too obsessed with her career to be social. 

 

[James Daulton]

I think she stayed married to Bill for political reasons, and I think pretty much all her relationships are for the same reasons. She's too obsessed with her career to be social. 

Maybe she just hates most people like I (and apparently DD) do.

 

[Politician Spock]

Maybe she just hates most people like I (and apparently DD) do.

I think there might be some truth to that. 

 

[cosjobs]

Iowa State Univ student slams Hillary at Sanders/Hillary rally

oops.

She he gets a stage from the dems and the repubs shout gun and mob rush a guy carrying a sign. which seems like the better party?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Maybe she just hates most people like I (and apparently DD) do.

That's a great quality for a board commenter and for someone to share pints with at the end of a bar.

It's a lousy quality for a president.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I think she stayed married to Bill for political reasons, and I think pretty much all her relationships are for the same reasons. She's too obsessed with her career to be social. 

Here's a Frontline interview with her lifelong friend Betsy Ebeling. It includes the following exchange:
 

What was the quality about her? What is the thing, when you think about her, and you think about who she became? Did you ever see anything about her that said, “Oh, this one is going to go a long way”?

About Hillary?

Yeah.

She’s been a constant in my life, someone that I, if I really analyze it, could always depend on, because I knew who she was. There’s something very loyal in her about her friends. Both she and Bill have been extremely generous with their friends on this journey that they’ve been on, which is historical, to say the least, and have always made sure that people are included.

But there’s something in Hillary that has always touched me, that I can just count on. Like when I get up in the morning, I can know, “Oh, I can call her or email,” as you probably read our emails. But —

Gee, she has email?

Yeah. A lot of them are mine, too. (Laughs.) She has a real respect for friendship. She really honors it.

You probably know her better than this woman, though.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Here's a Frontline interview with her lifelong friend Betsy Ebeling. It includes the following exchange:
 

You probably know her better than this woman, though.

 

[jon_mx]

You know a lot of people who really want to bang any 70-year-old woman?

I thought FFA was basically a subset of AARP.    

 

[Phil Elliott]

She he gets a stage from the dems and the repubs shout gun and mob rush a guy carrying a sign. which seems like the better party?

Wasn't stating which was the better party. But since you ask neither party is better than the other at this point. Seems both sides are scrambling the last few days and perhaps the vetting process is a little lax.

 

[Henry Ford]

I thought FFA was basically a subset of AARP.    

Okay.

 

[cockroach]

Would anyone bang Hillary?   I am going on record as a No.   

I had a friend in HS who wanted to bang Hillary.  I never got it.  It was apparently a power thing as he wanted to fk Oprah as well.  Little Vietnamese guy.

 

[squistion]

Probably for the best...smacked a bit of hubris.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/11/07/hillary-clinton-cancels-fireworks-election-night/

Hillary Clinton Pulls Plug On Election Night Fireworks

Hillary Clinton will NOT light up the sky over NYC if she wins the Presidency -- her campaign is calling off a planned fireworks show ... TMZ has learned.

The Clinton campaign had contacted the Coast Guard for permission to pull off a 2 minute long fireworks display over the Hudson River when the election results went final. The fireworks would be visible from the Jacob Javits Center, where she's holding her election night party.

But the Coast Guard tells TMZ ... Clinton's camp reached out on Thursday -- 2 days after her fireworks plan was uncovered -- to say it wouldn't be shooting off the 10" aerial shells, after all.

The Coast Guard says the campaign offered no explanation for the about-face. We've reached out to the Clinton campaign ... no word back yet.

Looks like it'll be strictly sparklers for Hillary Tuesday night ... IF she wins.

 

[Sand]

I'm going to be tuned in to Slate. com all day tomorrow.

Election Day will be different—regardless of how it ends. This time, for the first time, you won’t have to wait until the polls close to find out what happened while they were open. In partnership with the data startup VoteCastr, Slate will be publishing real-time projections of which candidate is winning at any given moment of the day in seven battleground states, any of which could decide who is the next president of the United States.

Yeah - pretty much hate this.  Disenfranchises those out west as the votes pile in on the east cost.  I dislike early voting for the same reason.  We should have a national holiday every four years, make all polls open and close at the same time (12 hour window).  Have to make an exception for Hawaii and Alaska, but that's easily accomplished with an evening/morning setup over 2 days.  That way all Americans have a crack at voting with about the same information.

 

[The Commish]

On July 5, he did the best he could not to throw Hillary under the bus to the point that he accepted ignorance as a defense.  Hillary supporters should be elated by his performance in July.  It was the best you could have asked for.  

LOL.  What a joke.  

True story....when one lowers the bar to "ignorance" as a defense it is a pretty big joke.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Yeah - pretty much hate this.  Disenfranchises those out west as the votes pile in on the east cost.  I dislike early voting for the same reason.  We should have a national holiday every four years, make all polls open and close at the same time (12 hour window).  Have to make an exception for Hawaii and Alaska, but that's easily accomplished with an evening/morning setup over 2 days.  That way all Americans have a crack at voting with about the same information.

1984 I was actively involved in Business Majors for Reagan. We had a huge party the night before the election, kinda like most nights but still. I woke up early in the morning at 1:30pm and the radio had already called it for Reagan. I walked to campus and voted for Jessie Jackson because he was black.

 

[jon_mx]

I figured you'd be out campaigning today Donald, not posting in the FFA.

You are badly mistaken.  I really don't care which one of these crooks win.  

 

[Gr00vus]

The best government money can buy.

RANK INDUSTRY TOTAL
1 Securities & Investment $78,102,505
2 Retired $60,785,273
3 Lawyers/Law Firms $36,416,035
4 TV/Movies/Music $21,962,280
5 Non-Profit Institutions $21,118,930
6 Education $20,200,735
7 Democratic/Liberal $18,392,542
8 Women's Issues $16,385,492
9 Printing & Publishing $15,438,737
10 Real Estate $14,059,465
11 Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $11,802,023
12 Business Services $10,730,758
13 Electronics Mfg & Equip $10,614,376
14 Health Professionals $9,377,937
15 Civil Servants/Public Officials $8,671,361
16 Building Trade Unions $6,424,348
17 Internet $5,593,377
18 Misc Finance $5,352,346
19 Hospitals/Nursing Homes $4,346,508
20 Public Sector Unions $4,237,813


Don't forget to add Misc. Finance's $5+M to the Securities & Investment $78+ M!

I look forward to very rigorous and effective regulation of the securities/finance industry when HRC is in office.

PS. She's still a million times better than Trump as a candidate. I'll be very concerned for this country if he's elected.

 

[Koya]

Here's a Frontline interview with her lifelong friend Betsy Ebeling. It includes the following exchange:
 

You probably know her better than this woman, though.

It reflects more upon those who post such comments than it does upon Hillary.

Seriously, what ####### basis do any of us have to make such a comment as she has no real friends, at all, and to say it with such confidence? 

 

[Thunderlips]

I'm almost tempted to say Trump wins this thing.....feels like there's still a surprise story to be told, and in lieu of any 11:59th hour BOMBSHELL......the narrative of Trump pulling out a win seems more plausible than Clinton getting a landslide.  Would anyone really be shocked if Trump ran GA,IO,AZ,NC,FL,OH,NH and then sniped MI to get the win?  I wouldn't.  

 

[Gr00vus]

You are badly mistaken.  I really don't care which one of these crooks win.  

Oh, so your question was just coincidentally Trumpian. I don't know if that's better or worse.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The Clinton campaign had contacted the Coast Guard for permission to pull off a 2 minute long fireworks display over the Hudson River when the election results went final. The fireworks would be visible from the Jacob Javits Center, where she's holding her election night party.

This is likely the result of one of those WL-like exchanges where her team repeatedly tells her how bad the optics are.

 

[The Commish]

Sure.  The vast majority of Dodd-Frank consists of provisions that improve the advantage of larger firms over smaller/regional ones.  

This inevitably ends up being true of almost all government regulations on businesses. But that  is almost never the intent of the authors.

Sorry...how do you know the intent of these individuals again?  I am assuming this is a case of wanting your cake and eating it too.  If this is true, then we need better law makers; ones that can get down on paper what they intend.  This isn't an area where we just throw up our hands and say "dang, I didn't have the forethought/foresight to predict THIS would happen.  Oh well....."  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

After a day like that, Comey was spotted grabbing dinner and a “giant” margarita at El Tio Tex Mex Grill in McLean, Va., on Sunday evening. Hey, the guy’s gotta unwind somehow.

- Good for Jim.

I'm sure he and the wife have to talk about plans for after January.

 

[Jayrod]

I'm almost tempted to say Trump wins this thing.....feels like there's still a surprise story to be told, and in lieu of any 11:59th hour BOMBSHELL......the narrative of Trump pulling out a win seems more plausible than Clinton getting a landslide.  Would anyone really be shocked if Trump ran GA,IO,AZ,NC,FL,OH,NH and then sniped MI to get the win?  I wouldn't.  

I would be.  He doesn't have that kind of pull, not at this hour with the FBI backing off of Hillary.  She's in.  All hail the queen.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm almost tempted to say Trump wins this thing.....feels like there's still a surprise story to be told, and in lieu of any 11:59th hour BOMBSHELL......the narrative of Trump pulling out a win seems more plausible than Clinton getting a landslide.  Would anyone really be shocked if Trump ran GA,IO,AZ,NC,FL,OH,NH and then sniped MI to get the win?  I wouldn't.  

It could happen. If a ton of whites who never vote decide to roll out of their suburban homes and campers all by themselves and vote for the first time in ages, yeah it could happen.

eta - I seriously doubt it though.

 

[Koya]

I'm almost tempted to say Trump wins this thing.....feels like there's still a surprise story to be told, and in lieu of any 11:59th hour BOMBSHELL......the narrative of Trump pulling out a win seems more plausible than Clinton getting a landslide.  Would anyone really be shocked if Trump ran GA,IO,AZ,NC,FL,OH,NH and then sniped MI to get the win?  I wouldn't.  

What universe are you living in? One they existed a week ago?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

 

Phil Kerpen ‏@kerpen 22m22 minutes ago
Colorado ballot returns just +0.4% GOP v. 1.3% at this time in 2012. Romney lost by 4.7%.

 

[squistion]

You are badly mistaken.  I really don't care which one of these crooks win.  

Interesting how the Hillary haters keep saying that here but never in the Trump thread, which suggests that they really do care or have a preference.

 

[Thunderlips]

What universe are you living in? One they existed a week ago?

What's the unbelievable state there?  I think most would think he's getting GA,IO and AZ.  OH and FL are wildcards; sure an increased Latino vote in FL would make that significantly more difficult. NC's a purple state and polling there is tight.  NH seems to be filled with ### holes....that's not shock that they'd go Trump.  To me, that leaves MI.....and stranger things happen.

Just a feeling.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

 

Larry Sabato ‏@LarrySabato 1h1 hour ago
Our final Crystal Ball picks:

Clinton 322, Trump 216

50-50 Senate

GOP holds House http://fb.me/11mOYpSJz

 

[jonessed]

Maybe she just hates most people like I (and apparently DD) do.

People have commented the same on Obama.  That's why he chose to try and use populism to push his agenda and not Congress.  He doesn't like the personal aspects in the deal-making.  I don't expect Hillary to use the same tactics.  She's a better deal-maker (from what I understand) and a much worse public speaker.  She just doesn't connect well as a speaker

I have no idea if Hillary likes people or not.  She is entirely self-serving, but that doesn't exclude being personable on a one-on-one basis.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

He must have a gun to his head.  There is no way they could have reviewed all 650k that fast.  It took them Mo this on 33k.

Greg Pollowitz Verified account ‏@GPollowitz


now that we agree FBI can search emails in digital form really fast, how about we ask why Hillary printed hers out to give to FBI?

 

[TobiasFunke]

The best government money can buy.

RANK INDUSTRY TOTAL
1 Securities & Investment $78,102,505
2 Retired $60,785,273
3 Lawyers/Law Firms $36,416,035
4 TV/Movies/Music $21,962,280
5 Non-Profit Institutions $21,118,930
6 Education $20,200,735
7 Democratic/Liberal $18,392,542
8 Women's Issues $16,385,492
9 Printing & Publishing $15,438,737
10 Real Estate $14,059,465
11 Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $11,802,023
12 Business Services $10,730,758
13 Electronics Mfg & Equip $10,614,376
14 Health Professionals $9,377,937
15 Civil Servants/Public Officials $8,671,361
16 Building Trade Unions $6,424,348
17 Internet $5,593,377
18 Misc Finance $5,352,346
19 Hospitals/Nursing Homes $4,346,508
20 Public Sector Unions $4,237,813


Don't forget to add Misc. Finance's $5+M to the Securities & Investment $78+ M!

I look forward to very rigorous and effective regulation of the securities/finance industry when HRC is in office.

PS. She's still a million times better than Trump as a candidate. I'll be very concerned for this country if he's elected.

Are these donations from businesses only or from individuals in those businesses? 

 

[jonessed]

What's the unbelievable state there?  I think most would think he's getting GA,IO and AZ.  OH and FL are wildcards; sure an increased Latino vote in FL would make that significantly more difficult. NC's a purple state and polling there is tight.  NH seems to be filled with ### holes....that's not shock that they'd go Trump.  To me, that leaves MI.....and stranger things happen.

Just a feeling.

Latinos in Florida are more conservative than Latinos elsewhere due to the high Cuban population.  I higher turnout won't help Trump, but it's not going to destroy him either.

 

[jon_mx]

Interesting how the Hillary haters keep saying that here but never in the Trump thread, which suggests that they really do care or have a preference.

OK.   Whatever floats your boat.  

 

[Sammy3469]

Wow...quite the non-sequitor.