Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (3 Viewers)

[Boston]

If Romney had said "basket of deplorables" instead of 47% he may have beaten Obama...

 

[Phil Elliott]

I don't know what obvious weaknesses he has that Trump could convert into playground insults for one. For another, he's pretty well respected, seems like a relatively strong personality, is not insane, hasn't spent his life actively screwing over people who worked for him, wasn't pushing a super fundamentalist religious viewpoint, etc.

I think the R field may have shrunk to a small handful from the outset if they knew he was in play, and he'd probably have made short work of Trump.

Wasn't the issue the Dems were pushing on Romney was he was a bad rich guy eliminating jobs when he was at Bain? And the lie Dirty Harry told about his taxes.

 

[Kumerica]

I don't know what obvious weaknesses he has that Trump could convert into playground insults for one. For another, he's pretty well respected, seems like a relatively strong personality, is not insane, hasn't spent his life actively screwing over people who worked for him, wasn't pushing a super fundamentalist religious viewpoint, etc.

I think the R field may have shrunk to a small handful from the outset if they knew he was in play, and he'd probably have made short work of Trump.

His name's Mitt.

 

[timschochet]

I don't know what obvious weaknesses he has that Trump could convert into playground insults for one. For another, he's pretty well respected, seems like a relatively strong personality, is not insane, hasn't spent his life actively screwing over people who worked for him, wasn't pushing a super fundamentalist religious viewpoint, etc.

I think the R field may have shrunk to a small handful from the outset if they knew he was in play, and he'd probably have made short work of Trump.

OK, see we may fundamentally disagree on what got Trump the nomination. I hold that while his personality certainly played a part, the key issues were illegal immigration, trade, and the Muslim thing. In other words, nationalism. That's what the base of the Republican party wanted, and they weren't going to vote for Romney again any more than they would have voted for Jeb Bush. The base sought to move the party in a different direction than the establishment. And this is still the problem even after Trump loses tomorrow night. 

 

[Gr00vus]

Wasn't the issue the Dems were pushing on Romney was he was a bad rich guy eliminating jobs when he was at Bain? And the lie Dirty Harry told about his taxes.

There was that, but he was hanging in there o.k. until the 47% thing. And he's still a far cry from Trump and Fiorina in this regard.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Right now, what's wrong with the liberal wing, IMO, has less to do with their ideas than with their conspiracy minded speculation about the moderates, about Wall Street, about corporations. In terms of their ideas, I'm open to a lot of it, (probably with the exception of trade.) 

Probably my biggest issue with the Dems is the conspiracies they have implemented.

 

[timschochet]

 I didn't even open your post Saints, because I know where you're going. You think I'm a conspiracy theorist myself because I believe in what Hillary called the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Yadda yadda yadda. She should never have used that last word. How many times are you going to tease me about this? 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

God...so where's the criticism of Trump's team for this...

I don't disagree with you. The stuff about Giuliani and Flynn is about incompetence IMO (and worse), but I think the most relevant names about proposed Trump cabinet names was his putting industry heads right into the chairs. The problem is merging of corporate and government, of private and public. Trump would be more likely to appoint prominent corporate names right in our faces, he wants celebrity and a removal of the firewall as well.

 

[The General]

Probably my biggest issue with the Dems is the conspiracies they have implemented.

 this is rich

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

 I didn't even open your post Saints, because I know where you're going. You think I'm a conspiracy theorist myself because I believe in what Hillary called the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Yadda yadda yadda. She should never have used that last word. How many times are you going to tease me about this? 

No.

It is disquieting that > when HRC was secretary of state she spent a good time of time doing gossip > emails with Sid Blumenthal about various matters, the ubiquitous Lanny > Davis shilling for himself in pathetic ways, and Neera Tanden gossiping > about what Soros thinks of Obama. At least Tanden I regard as a serious > person. Sid and Lanny I do not by standards of a secretary of state or > potential president. >

... Blumenthal did not have the slightest idea > of what he was talking about in his girlie gossip with the secretary of > state about this. Why she places such great stock over so much time in > these exchanges with Blumenthal is mystifying to me---and frankly > troublesome. > > This whole subject, to use vernacular, gives me the creeps. Secretaries > of state, presidential candidates and presidents should not be spending > their time on this kind of minor league stuff.

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Sid is lost in his own web of conspiracies. I pay zero attention to what he says.

After her staff Blumenthal was the person Hillary most often emailed with in her Foia released emails.

- eta - I just find it constantly amusing you slap people with the 'c' word so easily and yet this is the person you're voting for.

 

[Phil Elliott]

 this is rich

 

 

[Slapdash]

Right now, what's wrong with the liberal wing, IMO, has less to do with their ideas than with their conspiracy minded speculation about the moderates, about Wall Street, about corporations. In terms of their ideas, I'm open to a lot of it, (probably with the exception of trade.) 

Understanding how incentives work in institutions like the US government is not a conspiracy or speculation. 

 

[Guest]

I still think Clinton wins this, but just looking at the vitriolic rhetoric from the Left and the shaming they apply, I think there could be a dark horse that may come into play.  I think a lot of people are afraid to tell even their spouces, let alone friends, let alone pollsters that they will pull the lever for Trump, against Hillary, however you want to frame it.  I think the mood of the country has maybe, just maybe created a secrecy in independents and many Republicans that could just surprise.  

 

[timschochet]

Ah yes, the secret Trump vote. Been hearing about this for months. I suppose anything's possible, but my only question is: OK, you might be ashamed to tell your family and friends you're voting for Trump, but why would you be ashamed to tell a pollster? 

 

[Gr00vus]

I still think Clinton wins this, but just looking at the vitriolic rhetoric from the Left and the shaming they apply, I think there could be a dark horse that may come into play.  I think a lot of people are afraid to tell even their spouces, let alone friends, let alone pollsters that they will pull the lever for Trump, against Hillary, however you want to frame it.  I think the mood of the country has maybe, just maybe created a secrecy in independents and many Republicans that could just surprise.  

I could just as easily see it going the other way. Trump is the worst candidate we've ever seen in our lifetimes. I don't put much stock in the whole "secret vote" thing. The data's out there, there's not much reason to lie in anonymous polls.

 

[Kumerica]

I suspect you'll see a lot more secret HRC voters than you will secret Trump voters. Mostly wives of Trump voters.

 

[Godsbrother]

I still think Clinton wins this, but just looking at the vitriolic rhetoric from the Left and the shaming they apply, I think there could be a dark horse that may come into play.  I think a lot of people are afraid to tell even their spouces, let alone friends, let alone pollsters that they will pull the lever for Trump, against Hillary, however you want to frame it.  I think the mood of the country has maybe, just maybe created a secrecy in independents and many Republicans that could just surprise.  

Wow that is funny I think the opposite is true.   If you told my wife's side of the family and some members of my side that you were voting for Hillary you wouldn't be invited for dinner this Thanksgiving.    I got a hard time because I told my brother I was voting for Johnson.

 

[cstu]

Wow that is funny I think the opposite is true.   If you told my wife's side of the family and some members of my side that you were voting for Hillary you wouldn't be invited for dinner this Thanksgiving.    I got a hard time because I told my brother I was voting for Johnson.

It's like admitting you're gay to be a man who says he's voting for Hillary.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Ah yes, the secret Trump vote. Been hearing about this for months. I suppose anything's possible, but my only question is: OK, you might be ashamed to tell your family and friends you're voting for Trump, but why would you be ashamed to tell a pollster? 

Two other arguments against the secret Trump voter thing:

1. There's been very little difference between online/automated and live polling. If people were ashamed to tell people they like Trump you would expect to see a difference here.

2.  Trump's primary results were generally at or slightly below his polling numbers. If people were voting for him but not telling pollsters it would have shown up at that point too.

 

[The_Man]

I'm a big believer in the Democratic Party's embrace and mastery of big data. So when I see Hillary pulling out the stops in Ohio, it tells me that her firewall is secure and they feel like they have a chance to even surprise in Ohio.

I don't know about Trump's operation - last I heard, he was refusing to pay the Republicans' top pollster for $750,000 of work he'd already done - but I firmly believe Hillary has polling data that's vastly better than any media operation's. They poll constantly, and dynamically, so that their up-to-the-minute numbers account for votes already cast, as well as what people say they're going to do Tuesday. She has campaigned this weekend like someone who is very confident. I will say that the increased emphasis on Michigan - even deploying the President there - gives me a little concern. But Michigan, Pennsylvania and New Hampshire - all of which are places she's spent a lot of time in the closing days - have very limited early voting, so it makes sense to dedicate more attention there than in places where she's already banked a lot of votes.

 

[cstu]

No.

After her staff Blumenthal was the person Hillary most often emailed with in her Foia released emails.

- eta - I just find it constantly amusing you slap people with the 'c' word so easily and yet this is the person you're voting for.

I think you've done a good job throughout this entire election of pushing for the truth in an honest way. 

 

[Gr00vus]

I'm a big believer in the Democratic Party's embrace and mastery of big data. So when I see Hillary pulling out the stops in Ohio, it tells me that her firewall is secure and they feel like they have a chance to even surprise in Ohio.

I don't know about Trump's operation - last I heard, he was refusing to pay the Republicans' top pollster for $750,000 of work he'd already done - but I firmly believe Hillary has polling data that's vastly better than any media operation's. They poll constantly, and dynamically, so that their up-to-the-minute numbers account for votes already cast, as well as what people say they're going to do Tuesday. She has campaigned this weekend like someone who is very confident. I will say that the increased emphasis on Michigan - even deploying the President there - gives me a little concern. But Michigan, Pennsylvania and New Hampshire - all of which are places she's spent a lot of time in the closing days - have very limited early voting, so it makes sense to dedicate more attention there than in places where she's already banked a lot of votes.

I think she's closing out tonight with a huge rally in Philly with the Obamas and then finally NC. I don't know that that makes me feel real confident about her firewall.

This makes me fell better about it though.

 

[urbanhack]

Right now, what's wrong with the liberal wing, IMO, has less to do with their ideas than with their conspiracy minded speculation about the moderates, about Wall Street, about corporations. In terms of their ideas, I'm open to a lot of it, (probably with the exception of trade.) 

https://www.google.com/search?q=corporations+are+writing+our+legisilationo&oq=corporations+are+writing+our+legisilationo&aqs=chrome..69i57.7817j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=corporations+are+writing+our+legislation

 

[humpback]

Gotta believe Romney kicks himself daily for not keeping his powder dry for 4 more years.

I don't think he wants anything to do with the job after he realized what a circus it is.

 

[Gr00vus]

I don't think he wants anything to do with the job after he realized what a circus it is.

Maybe. Maybe not so much if he hadn't run once before already.

 

[The_Man]

I don't think he wants anything to do with the job after he realized what a circus it is.

Like Biden. Increasingly hard to get a reasonably sane person to want to go through with it - left with egomaniacs.

 

[zoonation]

so we back on the +300 EV train around here or what?

Crooked Hil is taking N.C., Florida Pennsylvania (obvs), Nevada and Ohio.  Choo choo!  coasts to victory.  

Trump will be a tool in his concession speech.

 

[cstu]

Wasn't the issue the Dems were pushing on Romney was he was a bad rich guy eliminating jobs when he was at Bain? And the lie Dirty Harry told about his taxes.

Democrats had very little to attack Romney on.  Luckily they had Obama. 

 

[Quez]

I'm a big believer in the Democratic Party's embrace and mastery of big data. So when I see Hillary pulling out the stops in Ohio, it tells me that her firewall is secure 

I see what you did there 

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm a big believer in the Democratic Party's embrace and mastery of big data. So when I see Hillary pulling out the stops in Ohio, it tells me that her firewall is secure and they feel like they have a chance to even surprise in Ohio.

I don't know about Trump's operation - last I heard, he was refusing to pay the Republicans' top pollster for $750,000 of work he'd already done - but I firmly believe Hillary has polling data that's vastly better than any media operation's. They poll constantly, and dynamically, so that their up-to-the-minute numbers account for votes already cast, as well as what people say they're going to do Tuesday. She has campaigned this weekend like someone who is very confident. I will say that the increased emphasis on Michigan - even deploying the President there - gives me a little concern. But Michigan, Pennsylvania and New Hampshire - all of which are places she's spent a lot of time in the closing days - have very limited early voting, so it makes sense to dedicate more attention there than in places where she's already banked a lot of votes.

Agree.  And the contrast with Trump going to Nevada Saturday night after the majority of the state's votes were already cast was pretty striking.

One strategic error I think they've made- I haven't seen them hammering Trump on the NLRB's ruling four days ago that one of his companies violated labor law by refusing to bargain with a union. Considering Trump's path to the White House pretty much requires an upset somewhere in the rust belt, I would have been yelling that from the mountaintops over the weekend.  But maybe they have been and I just haven't seen it.  I guess they know better than I do.

 

[wazoo11]

I voted for Hillary

 

[squistion]

CNN contributor and Republican consultant, Ana Navarro:

Ana NavarroVerified account ‏@ananavarro 3h3 hours ago

FL is too close for me to cast a symbolic protest vote. I voted AGAINST Trump, and FOR Hillary.

Here I explain why: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/07/opinions/navarro-republican-voting-for-clinton/index.html …

   





 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think you've done a good job throughout this entire election of pushing for the truth in an honest way. 

Cstu truly thank you.

I've enjoyed talking to all of you. Great bunch of smart people from across the country. The internet is an awesome thing.

We're rounding the bend tomorrow. IMO it's been a great thread. 

 

[BeaverCleaver]

A very interesting video on voter id laws

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/11/03/filmmaker-asks-white-liberals-how-voter-id-laws-are-racist-and-its-an-utter-failure/

 

[TobiasFunke]

so we back on the +300 EV train around here or what?

Crooked Hil is taking N.C., Florida Pennsylvania (obvs), Nevada and Ohio.  Choo choo!  coasts to victory.  

Trump will be a tool in his concession speech.

I don't think she gets North Carolina or Ohio. The NCKKK NCGOP just did too much to drive black people away from the polls already, and presumably there will be long lines further depressing turnout in black and other Dem-favorable precincts tomorrow. Ohio's demographics are bad for her, plus they might still be mad at her Cubs.

 

[The_Man]

I don't think she gets North Carolina or Ohio. The NCKKK NCGOP just did too much to drive black people away from the polls already, and presumably there will be long lines further depressing turnout in black and other Dem-favorable precincts tomorrow. Ohio's demographics are bad for her, plus they might still be mad at her Cubs.

I agree - don't think either Ohio or North Carolina will go her way. But Florida, Nevada and New Hampshire will.

 

[RCon]

Hillary's team has now chosen "Don't Stop Believing" as their theme song.

I used to kind of like that song until my older daughter joined band in 7th grade. Then I had to listen to it every week for two years. 

Well, that's only the public song.  The private song for her donors is "Any Way You Want It".

 

[jon_mx]

Trump is going to win the majority of electoral college votes, but it will be those super electoral votes which put Hillary over the top.  

 

[Gr00vus]

Trump is going to win the majority of electoral college votes, but it will be those super electoral votes which put Hillary over the top.  

So there will be spandex and capes involved?

 

[Henry Ford]

Figured out why Silver's so high on Clinton today. Psychic goat picked today, we've got it locked up.

 

[zoonation]

I don't think she gets North Carolina or Ohio. The NCKKK NCGOP just did too much to drive black people away from the polls already, and presumably there will be long lines further depressing turnout in black and other Dem-favorable precincts tomorrow. Ohio's demographics are bad for her, plus they might still be mad at her Cubs.

i think she takes both.  there is a silent majority out there and it an anti-Trump silent majority.  This will be a blowout.  

 

[The Commish]

FWIW...in NC, early voting for African Americans is approximately 8-9% off the all time records set during the Obama campaign...it was as large as 25% a few days ago....they closed the gap quickly.  If she can't pull NC with all the crap going on here, I'm not sure what to tell you guys.  It's ripe for the picking.

 

[flapgreen]

Clinton (out of government) asked Podesta (who was in government) to disclose Libya attack intelligence over email https://t.co/2qgEjY9X2S

Trump debate moderator, CNBC's John Harwood, colluded with Clinton campaign on questions for interview

 

[flapgreen]

i think she takes both.  there is a silent majority out there and it an anti-Trump silent majority.  This will be a blowout.  

Silent anti-Trump majority .  Now that's a funny statement 

 

[jonessed]

Clinton (out of government) asked Podesta (who was in government) to disclose Libya attack intelligence over email https://t.co/2qgEjY9X2S

Trump debate moderator, CNBC's John Harwood, colluded with Clinton campaign on questions for interview

I think the Republicans should simply refuse future debates from any of these organizations that have been caught sending questions to Hillary.  That is so incredibly unethical.

 

[Thunderlips]

Hillary's team has now chosen "Don't Stop Believing" as their theme song.

I used to kind of like that song until my older daughter joined band in 7th grade. Then I had to listen to it every week for two years. 

Should have chosen this......as this election has been torture.

 

[The Commish]

FWIW...in NC, early voting for African Americans is approximately 8-9% off the all time records set during the Obama campaign...it was as large as 25% a few days ago....they closed the gap quickly.  If she can't pull NC with all the crap going on here, I'm not sure what to tell you guys.  It's ripe for the picking.

Especially after the SC rejected NC on all counts of their voter laws.

 

[TobiasFunke]

FWIW...in NC, early voting for African Americans is approximately 8-9% off the all time records set during the Obama campaign...it was as large as 25% a few days ago....they closed the gap quickly.  If she can't pull NC with all the crap going on here, I'm not sure what to tell you guys.  It's ripe for the picking.

This assumes a level playing field.  The NCGOP has made a concerted effort to limit African-American (and other Clinton-friendly) turnout by cutting early voting days and limiting polling places. This isn't a conspiracy theory- it's fairly well-documented,and we even have hard evidence that they tried to do so legislatively before a Court called out their racism.

I think she would win on a level playing field- and I think Cooper and Ross would win too- but that doesn't appear to be the case.

 

[The Commish]

FWIW...in NC, early voting for African Americans is approximately 8-9% off the all time records set during the Obama campaign...it was as large as 25% a few days ago....they closed the gap quickly.  If she can't pull NC with all the crap going on here, I'm not sure what to tell you guys.  It's ripe for the picking.

This assumes a level playing field.  The NCGOP has made a concerted effort to limit African-American (and other Clinton-friendly) turnout by cutting early voting days and limiting polling places. This isn't a conspiracy theory- it's fairly well-documented,and we even have hard evidence that they tried to do so legislatively before a Court called out their racism.

I think she would win on a level playing field- and I think Cooper and Ross would win too- but that doesn't appear to be the case.

The polling station shenanigans were during the first week....for a period of time, numbers were down 25-30%.  In the last week they have close to 8-9%.  Doesn't appear the shenanigans were long lasting in terms of their impact.  Of course, this being down 8-9% is comparison to the record levels Obama set in the state.  The turnout thus far is pretty similar to any other election cycle not involving Obama.  So, for example, Mecklenburg county (where Charlotte is) is about 6-7% off it's record turnouts after being down 30ish% early when the restrictions were in place.  I think it amounted to around 25ish polling places across the entire state that weren't available early?  Sorry, don't remember the exact amount.

As for Cooper and Ross....well, Cooper is Cooper and can't seem to get out of his own way.  Should see if the CLT local NPR station has some podcasts of the debates.  They were, in a word, brutal.  Ross, not much to that race...a lot of he said she said between the two.  Poorly run IMO. 

ETA:  Be careful GB...you're walking a line where you are close to sounding like Trump with the bold   

 

[Quez]

I only saw 1 Hillary 9x12 on the way home, and it happened to be in a ditch by a swamp.  There were a few dozen Trump signs.  I saw 2 groups of people holding up Trump signs & USA flags.  Also, there was a pickup with a huge USA flag in the back, and trump signs all over it.  About a 45min commute on 2 major arteries in Pinellas & Hillsborough.  Both swing counties.  Trump has been drawing massive crowds here.  I will be very surprised if they go blue.