***OFFICIAL*** Jacoby Jones Thread (1 Viewer)

[Englishteacher]

CONSIDER THIS THE OFFICIAL JJ THREAD - Lots of insight in here from preseason. Week 1 underway.

So I drafted Jacoby Jones as my WR#4, I'm wondering what I'll get. what I'll get.

Small league (can only carry 4 WR's)

 

[Shermanator]

All I can say say is I really hope your first three receivers are REALLY good

 

[Englishteacher]

All I can say say is I really hope your first three receivers are REALLY good

Start 2 WR league. T.O., Santana Moss, Terry Glenn --- I'm sure everyone cares about that. Was hoping for an inspired - good or bad - post on Jones. Gut feelings? Hunches? I know where FBG had him ranked but I know little about the guy. I've read a few things where folks have said he has "a chance to be special". Who knows?Any chance he's "REALLY good" enough to contribute to this team? He's the one guy I drafted today who is very thought provoking for some reason. Wondering if anyone else is thinking about this cat.

 

[Englishteacher]

All I can say say is I really hope your first three receivers are REALLY good

So, say say that again?

 

[Shermanator]

I dont really mean to knock your selection of Jones. But he is the perfect example of a player that is having a good preseason.

the hype is rediculous. He may pan out and have something like 500 yds and a td or two.

Keep in mind he is the #2 receiver for the TEXANS.

Considering your league rules, I cant imagine that there are many better prospects for you to pick up

 

[JTM]

Small league (can only carry 4 WR's)

Lived in Houston for 5 years prior to coming back home to Dallas this year...Houston needs a quality #2 WR to complement Andre Johnson and word around Texas is this guy is it. He's fast, runs decent routes, and has decent hands. If your league scores for return yardage he could put up #2 fantasy numbers in 4 or 5 games...those games will be against high-powered, quick scoring offenses like IND (twice a year) as they'll most likely be playing from behind, will need to throw, and he'll be returning kicks every time INDY puts one on 'em...otherwise he'll be fairly average for a first-year starting #2 WR and catch 50 balls for 800 yrds and 5 TDs...very Santonio Holmes-ish...

 

[Unlucky]

800 and 6 is the absolute max I'd expect, barring an injury to Andre Johnson. Daniels is good, and technically, I think Jones is still #3 on the Texans' depth chart. Current projections are 570 and 4, which put him at WR59 on my board. I imagine you can get someone better.

 

[JTM]

I dont really mean to knock your selection of Jones. But he is the perfect example of a player that is having a good preseason.the hype is rediculous. He may pan out and have something like 500 yds and a td or two.Keep in mind he is the #2 receiver for the TEXANS. Considering your league rules, I cant imagine that there are many better prospects for you to pick up

Since the TEXANS suck that means they'll be playing from behind often...more of an aerial attack in a much improved offense from last year...Jones may be hyped but he's much more talented than Jabar Gaffney and the other cannon-fodder that's been playing the # 2 slot down there--if they can put up the type of numbers you just predicted for Jones then he's likely to surpass that easily...still only a solid # 3 in leagues scoring return yardage...

 

[ochocuatro]

got him as WR5 in a 16 team league, really hope to get the value i want, as walter and jacoby where both available .. but i don't expect more from him than battling kennison for matchups during my starters bye weeks, as our league has extra points for returning TDs

 

[flooredyas]

I took him in round 17 (out of 18) as my 5th WR. I'm sure you got him late in your draft as well. Could catch lightning in a bottle here, OR move on to the next WW WR who shows up in the first 3-4 weeks. Houston does have an entirely new set of offensive players, so they aren't what they were last year. I happen to like him. Walter is listed ahead of him currently, so thats not a stud to overtake and he's in the same boat as Calvin Johnson currently-WR #3 at a lot cheaper price. Now don't even begin to thrash me for that corelation, but their depth listing is the same.

 

[KingPrawn]

I'm debating over D. Williams from BAL, Amani Toomer and Jones in a PPR league for my 5th WR spot. Right now I'm leaning towards Toomer but will be keeping a close eye on Jones.

 

[Louisville Slugger]

I'm debating over D. Williams from BAL, Amani Toomer and Jones in a PPR league for my 5th WR spot. Right now I'm leaning towards Toomer but will be keeping a close eye on Jones.

Go with Toomer. He will score more often.

 

[thecardiackid]

It's really tough to say until we see Schaub face a real NFL D - that has game planned for him. Granted it's tough to be worse than Carr, but there's a lot of ?s in HOU @ this point. Not trying to be negative, b/c I think they'll be improved, but they've got a lot to prove (FF wise).

RE: Jacoby - if you get the return yards, he's a decent option. Otherwise, he'll be the 2/3 on his team w/ a new qb learning the system - and AJ being the focal point of the passing game, followed by Daniels @ this point. You could probably do worse for a bye week filler, if you checked the matchup on the week(s) you need him. But if forced into a starting role as a WR2 on your FF team, you will likely be in trouble.

 

[el-gato-grande]

I'm debating over D. Williams from BAL, Amani Toomer and Jones in a PPR league for my 5th WR spot. Right now I'm leaning towards Toomer but will be keeping a close eye on Jones.

Go with Toomer. He will score more often.

You couldn't be more wrong. Demetrius Williams is the guy to grab out of that group. The Ravens are planning on getting him the ball more this season and he is a major deep threat. Think Lee Evans when he was first starting out with the Bills except at 6'2 Williams is four inches taller.

 

[Englishteacher]

kind of surprised how many of you guys seem to be playing in leagues with "return yardage"

 

[thecardiackid]

kind of surprised how many of you guys seem to be playing in leagues with "return yardage"

Most don't IMO but if you're in that group, I'd look elsewhere (vs. Jacoby) where return yards would make him a 'decent' option.

 

[Nate]

I dunno, in my league if you take a WR who returns punts you get points for TDs. Jones will return a couple of punts for TDs this season. There's a some upside with Jones but if you're in a small league there's probably a lot better WRs you could take.

 

[Traders2001]

35 rec 450 yds 3 Tds .

He should not be your 4th WR .

 

[Aaronl5]

Won't Jerome Mathis split return yards with Jones?

 

[bcr8f]

I expect him to become the #2 eventually, but when and will Houston be good enouh to matter is a big

I have him as my #6. TO, Andre, Mark Clayton, Cotchery, Hackett, Jones.

 

[j ViLLA x PE]

i drafted him last night in round 15 out of 16.

I can start 2 WRs and 1 flex RB/WR

I got TO, Lee Evans, and Braylon Edwards.

D.J. Hackett and Jacoby Jones are on my bench. Its hard to bench the other 3 WRs over this sleeper. But i think if you have a spot to play him then do it.

Rank me team now please

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=338873

 

[az_prof]

He is the WR3/2 on Houston. And he is a rookie. He may be good in the future but I don't see him being on a small roster in redraft.

800 and 6 is the absolute max I'd expect, barring an injury to Andre Johnson. Daniels is good, and technically, I think Jones is still #3 on the Texans' depth chart. Current projections are 570 and 4, which put him at WR59 on my board. I imagine you can get someone better.

 

[BroadwayG]

I'm going to go with 'disappointed,' Bob.

 

[Keys Myaths]

He is the WR3/2 on Houston. And he is a rookie. He may be good in the future but I don't see him being on a small roster in redraft.

800 and 6 is the absolute max I'd expect, barring an injury to Andre Johnson. Daniels is good, and technically, I think Jones is still #3 on the Texans' depth chart. Current projections are 570 and 4, which put him at WR59 on my board. I imagine you can get someone better.

I expect him to become the #2 eventually, but when and will Houston be good enouh to matter is a big I have him as my #6. TO, Andre, Mark Clayton, Cotchery, Hackett, Jones.

Not that I think Jacoby is the next Colston, but you guys realize that the worse Houston is (everything else equal), the more passing yards there will be to go around when they play catchup, right?

 

[smackdaddies]

disapointed

 

[Skinsfansince72]

i drafted him last night in round 15 out of 16.

I can start 2 WRs and 1 flex RB/WR

I got TO, Lee Evans, and Braylon Edwards.

D.J. Hackett and Jacoby Jones are on my bench. Its hard to bench the other 3 WRs over this sleeper. But i think if you have a spot to play him then do it.

Rank me team now please

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=338873

When did Braylon Edwards become a "must start"? Seems to me that playing the matchups with Edwards, Jones and Hackett is the way to go.

 

[j ViLLA x PE]

i drafted him last night in round 15 out of 16.

I can start 2 WRs and 1 flex RB/WR

I got TO, Lee Evans, and Braylon Edwards.

D.J. Hackett and Jacoby Jones are on my bench. Its hard to bench the other 3 WRs over this sleeper. But i think if you have a spot to play him then do it.

Rank me team now please

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=338873

When did Braylon Edwards become a "must start"? Seems to me that playing the matchups with Edwards, Jones and Hackett is the way to go.

He's not a must start but he puts up better numbers than hackett in PPR league since he's the #1 reciever in cleveland. By strength of schedule i'd play a toss up between the three when jones moves to #2 WR

 

[toxic]

I think folks are being a bit harsh on you for taking Jones. To me, it all depends on the composition of your roster when you take him. In one league, I was loaded at WR and could take either Kennison or Jones late. I opted for Jones simply because there is a chance (albeit a small one) that he could be great. With Kennison, I knew exactly what I would get--a solid player who would never be in my starting line-up barring major injuries. I would never be able to trade him for anything and would likely end up dropping him for a waiver pick-up at some point. In a different league, I was faced with same choice, but I was much weaker at WR so I took Kennison.

In your case, I might have opted for a more stable option given that Glenn has had some nagging injuries. They may be no big deal, but they could also sideline him eventually. I probably would have gone for a Kennison-Wade type here instead. A very conservative play would have been Crayton--if either TO or Glenn go down, you are covered. You have 1 player serving as a handcuff for two players.

In general, I use the last three rounds of my draft to try and guess who the big waiver wire pick-ups are going to be. These are usually the players you end up dropping for a waiver wire hottie anyway, so you might as well try and find the waiver hottie in advance (again assuming you are already solid at the position in question).

 

[Englishteacher]

I'm going to go with 'disappointed,' Bob.

that was good

 

[Englishteacher]

I think folks are being a bit harsh on you for taking Jones. To me, it all depends on the composition of your roster when you take him. In one league, I was loaded at WR and could take either Kennison or Jones late. I opted for Jones simply because there is a chance (albeit a small one) that he could be great. With Kennison, I knew exactly what I would get--a solid player who would never be in my starting line-up barring major injuries. I would never be able to trade him for anything and would likely end up dropping him for a waiver pick-up at some point. In a different league, I was faced with same choice, but I was much weaker at WR so I took Kennison.In your case, I might have opted for a more stable option given that Glenn has had some nagging injuries. They may be no big deal, but they could also sideline him eventually. I probably would have gone for a Kennison-Wade type here instead. A very conservative play would have been Crayton--if either TO or Glenn go down, you are covered. You have 1 player serving as a handcuff for two players.In general, I use the last three rounds of my draft to try and guess who the big waiver wire pick-ups are going to be. These are usually the players you end up dropping for a waiver wire hottie anyway, so you might as well try and find the waiver hottie in advance (again assuming you are already solid at the position in question).

If you don't care to hear it, by all means move on. My league is a small dynasty league. We keep six from year to year with no draft pick subtraction. I picked Jones in the last round of this draft. I could have gotten an Isaac Bruce or Greg Jennings (last year's Jacoby Jones - but the new kid they drafted seems to be getting better vibes) a round or two earlier. But, I wasn't sure even they'd be picked so my strategy was I'd take Bruce, Jennings, or D.J. Hackett if they fell to the last round; otherwise I'd pick up Jacoby Jones. I'm hoping he could emerge as a WR#3 type this year for my own squad or better yet, he wows early and I have some trade bait for some weaker squads who are looking for a guy whom they can keep on the back end of their Keep 6 roster.Point is, I'm just hoping he shows he's special in some capacity to warrant me picking him over an Isaac Bruce or others. If this were redraft only no way would I have played cat and mouse seeing if someone would "make me" pick Jacoby Jones in the last round. SPECIAL ALERT: SPECIAL ALERT: SPECIAL ALERT: SPECIAL ALERT: SPECIAL ALERT:If you see Jacoby Jones doing something special :11: :11: :11: :11: please post it here!!!

 

[BroadwayG]

Honestly, he's got next to 0 chance to become the #1 receiving option on a team with a pretty suspect passing game.

Given the strict lineup requirements, I'd say you should be able to find someone with a better week to week outlook as well as a better upside without much trouble. While you're at it, you may as well axe Glenn, too.

 

[Englishteacher]

Honestly, he's got next to 0 chance to become the #1 receiving option on a team with a pretty suspect passing game.Given the strict lineup requirements, I'd say you should be able to find someone with a better week to week outlook as well as a better upside without much trouble. While you're at it, you may as well axe Glenn, too.

healthy Glenn = not a guy I want to cut...for the last pick in my draft in a Keep 6 league where a guy can have more value than what his 2007 value is, not bad = Jonesthere are still 3-4 guys on the WW that will put up numbers in the late WR#3 and def the WR#4 rangeI'm hoping Jones shows some special :11: before my first WR bye week so I can move him in a trade for 2008 draft pick(s) and then maybe pick one of those guys up. It's not considered kosher to post where FBG had him ranked but if you've drafted already and printed out a cheatsheet you know he's not too too too far south of WR#4 range. However, FBG is in the know so where they have him projected has already taken into account the "upside" of the player this year I imagine. Here's hoping there's more upside to squeeze (softball, just waiting for the rips on that one). BTW, being a small dynasty league you have to go RB early and often and I'm also right in the hunt for a playoff/championship season so I was willing to take a risk late in drafting D early (10 points for Def/ST TD's) , drafting plenty of RB's, and going thin at WR. Only having to start 2 WR's also helped in this regard.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

I'm just curious. Did Boldin come out of nowhere.. was the hype like Jones or was it less? I recall he played on a bad team (and it's still bad).

I'm asking because people on this board say 0% chance of this or that happening yet it seems like WR studs can get born in a day, and produce probowl-ish stats.

 

[Tillmanisahero]

As your 4th WR I don't think it is too bad. With 40ish WRs off the board I think he has a lot more up side than many. He has pretty insane physical tools but is real raw. The preseason perhaps showed us that he isn't as raw as we thought.

At the end of the draft I always shoot for upside. He'll never be #1 WR (unless AJ gets hurt) but if Schaub pans out and JJ pans out, that could be the making of a very good offense.

 

[Jason Wood]

A few weeks ago Jacoby was going outside the top 300, which (obviously) was silly and made him an intriguing late round flier. But as is often the case with rookies who have good preseasons, he's zoomed way past underrated to pretty overrated at this point; as are most rookie wideouts for that matter. I saw Jacoby go in the 11th round of a 12-teamer yesterday, that's silly.

 

[crimsonrebel]

Boldin even came out of more nowhere than Jones will if he does come out. Boldin wasnt used much in the preseason that year, because the Cards wanted to "keep him a secret".

 

[Englishteacher]

Honestly, he's got next to 0 chance to become the #1 receiving option on a team with a pretty suspect passing game.

Given the strict lineup requirements, I'd say you should be able to find someone with a better week to week outlook as well as a better upside without much trouble. While you're at it, you may as well axe Glenn, too.

Honestly, he's got next to 0 chance to become the #1 receiving option = awe c'mon, A.J. is so way overrated. Seriously, good point.on a team with a pretty suspect passing game = Not the greatest passing O for sure. Bad O line. No outstanding option after Andre Johnson although Daniels showed something last year.

Things I DO like: 1. Scahub I think will turn out to be a pretty decent QB who'll make the players around him better to some degree. 2. Team sucks overall and run game far from dominant. Lots of passing to be done in Houston this year. If someone shows the propensity for stepping up, there will be tons of opportunity for them target wise. 3. Talent. When you hear about young wideouts showing serious skills as rookies they generally turn out to be players. It takes longer for WR's than other positions to produce for your team but I love to hear a guy is turning heads early cuz' WR's usually don't do that for at least 2-3 years.

Given the strict lineup requirements, I'd say you should be able to find someone with a better week to week outlook as well as a better upside without much trouble................

Def right on week to week outlook but he's WR#4 in a start 2 league.Wouldn't HAVE to play until Owens and Glenn have their bye (same) week. I doubt he has enough upside in 2007 to merit keping on my roster but in a keeper league it seems his upside is greater than the WR#4's upside I would have and what they could potentially do in 2007 beyond what's expected.

In addition, sounds like I need to play in a return yardage league (for him to work out significantly in 2007).

 

[Birdie048]

I'm debating over D. Williams from BAL, Amani Toomer and Jones in a PPR league for my 5th WR spot. Right now I'm leaning towards Toomer but will be keeping a close eye on Jones.

Go with Toomer. He will score more often.

You couldn't be more wrong. Demetrius Williams is the guy to grab out of that group. The Ravens are planning on getting him the ball more this season and he is a major deep threat. Think Lee Evans when he was first starting out with the Bills except at 6'2 Williams is four inches taller.

My thoughts exactly! It took him some time to pick up the next level of the game. Dem Williams is my sleeper WR!

 

[Jason Wood]

Boldin even came out of more nowhere than Jones will if he does come out. Boldin wasnt used much in the preseason that year, because the Cards wanted to "keep him a secret".

Anquan Boldin was a 2nd round pick out of Florida State. That's hardly what I was say "came out of nowhere." And while it's true he only had four preseason receptions, let's not forget how fragile NFL history can be...Boldin got the start in Week One when Larry Foster got hurt. Yes, LARRY FOSTER. Boldin proceeded to set a record for best receiving game by a rookie with 10 catches and 200+ yards. Were it not for an injury to little known Larry Foster, we might never have thought of Anquan Boldin as the stud he is today.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

Anquan Boldin was a 2nd round pick out of Florida State. That's hardly what I was say "came out of nowhere." And while it's true he only had four preseason receptions, let's not forget how fragile NFL history can be...Boldin got the start in Week One when Larry Foster got hurt. Yes, LARRY FOSTER. Boldin proceeded to set a record for best receiving game by a rookie with 10 catches and 200+ yards. Were it not for an injury to little known Larry Foster, we might never have thought of Anquan Boldin as the stud he is today.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. It seems that, anyway you slice it, Jones has as good a shot as Boldin to become a stud.. so I don't really understand this 0% talk and ridiculously low ceilings.

 

[BroadwayG]

Anquan Boldin was a 2nd round pick out of Florida State. That's hardly what I was say "came out of nowhere." And while it's true he only had four preseason receptions, let's not forget how fragile NFL history can be...Boldin got the start in Week One when Larry Foster got hurt. Yes, LARRY FOSTER. Boldin proceeded to set a record for best receiving game by a rookie with 10 catches and 200+ yards. Were it not for an injury to little known Larry Foster, we might never have thought of Anquan Boldin as the stud he is today.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. It seems that, anyway you slice it, Jones has as good a shot as Boldin to become a stud.. so I don't really understand this 0% talk and ridiculously low ceilings.

1. Jeff Blake had quite a history of turning one guy into The Man.2. Neither Bryant Johnson nor Foster were of the caliber Andre is currently3. Green/Dayne is slightly better than Shipp/SmithThe only similarity is the fact that both of them were the third receiver to start the season.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Honestly, he's got next to 0 chance to become the #1 receiving option on a team with a pretty suspect passing game.

Given the strict lineup requirements, I'd say you should be able to find someone with a better week to week outlook as well as a better upside without much trouble. While you're at it, you may as well axe Glenn, too.

Honestly, he's got next to 0 chance to become the #1 receiving option = awe c'mon, A.J. is so way overrated. Seriously, good point.on a team with a pretty suspect passing game = Not the greatest passing O for sure. Bad O line. No outstanding option after Andre Johnson although Daniels showed something last year.

Things I DO like: 1. Scahub I think will turn out to be a pretty decent QB who'll make the players around him better to some degree. 2. Team sucks overall and run game far from dominant. Lots of passing to be done in Houston this year. If someone shows the propensity for stepping up, there will be tons of opportunity for them target wise. 3. Talent. When you hear about young wideouts showing serious skills as rookies they generally turn out to be players. It takes longer for WR's than other positions to produce for your team but I love to hear a guy is turning heads early cuz' WR's usually don't do that for at least 2-3 years.

Given the strict lineup requirements, I'd say you should be able to find someone with a better week to week outlook as well as a better upside without much trouble................

Def right on week to week outlook but he's WR#4 in a start 2 league.Wouldn't HAVE to play until Owens and Glenn have their bye (same) week. I doubt he has enough upside in 2007 to merit keping on my roster but in a keeper league it seems his upside is greater than the WR#4's upside I would have and what they could potentially do in 2007 beyond what's expected.

In addition, sounds like I need to play in a return yardage league (for him to work out significantly in 2007).

Dont seem like you know much about the Texans, there line wasnt all that bad, David Carr was bad, they basically have the same line and even this preseason they only a handful of sack and this is with Dallas (top end def) blitzing them alot. Overall the Texans arent that bad anymore....So to use the words "BAD" i think you overstating that.As far as Jacoby and im a homer...If you believe he would be a stud out of nowhere i cant argue that....thats one mans opinion, i can say Chriz Femineze will be a STUD out of nowhere as well and its basically the same thing. However Jacoby showed everything you want in a WR and the COACH and team is in love with him....they dont want all this to be easy for him...although it looks that way, they are keeping him hungry thus him being the wr3 for now. I suspect him to be starting around game2/3 and then go on to do well...I wont say what numbers i expect him to post...I HAVE NO IDEA.....but i will say he is a nice wr to roster....(at the moment i would say he's a nice wr5/6 in a 3 start league cause of his upside.)

 

[Jason Wood]

Anquan Boldin was a 2nd round pick out of Florida State. That's hardly what I was say "came out of nowhere." And while it's true he only had four preseason receptions, let's not forget how fragile NFL history can be...Boldin got the start in Week One when Larry Foster got hurt. Yes, LARRY FOSTER. Boldin proceeded to set a record for best receiving game by a rookie with 10 catches and 200+ yards. Were it not for an injury to little known Larry Foster, we might never have thought of Anquan Boldin as the stud he is today.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. It seems that, anyway you slice it, Jones has as good a shot as Boldin to become a stud.. so I don't really understand this 0% talk and ridiculously low ceilings.

Hey Mark,I think you need to make sure you're not confusing/combining different people's opinions here. I never said Jones has 0% chance of contributing, far from it. In fact, just a week+ ago I highlighted him as one of the undervalued rookie WRs. But that was before he started rocketing up draft boards.As to comparing him to Boldin, I frankly think that's silly. In the annals of NFL history there have been only a handful of rookie wideouts to make that kind of impression; and predicting anyone in particularly would be foolhardy. More specifically, Boldin was the ONLY offensive contributor on the team. Bryant Johnson (another rookie that year) was the team's 2nd best receiver, they had no tight end and had no running backs to speak of. The Cards were 8th that year in pass attempts.The Texans were 23rd last season in attempts, have Andre Johnson and Owen Daniels aboard, have Ahman Green coming into the fold, too. Jacoby Jones COULD deliver solid fantasy numbers this year. But having him as your WR4, particularly in small leagues, is dicey.

 

[smackdaddies]

Anquan Boldin was a 2nd round pick out of Florida State. That's hardly what I was say "came out of nowhere." And while it's true he only had four preseason receptions, let's not forget how fragile NFL history can be...Boldin got the start in Week One when Larry Foster got hurt. Yes, LARRY FOSTER. Boldin proceeded to set a record for best receiving game by a rookie with 10 catches and 200+ yards. Were it not for an injury to little known Larry Foster, we might never have thought of Anquan Boldin as the stud he is today.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. It seems that, anyway you slice it, Jones has as good a shot as Boldin to become a stud.. so I don't really understand this 0% talk and ridiculously low ceilings.

Hey Mark,I think you need to make sure you're not confusing/combining different people's opinions here. I never said Jones has 0% chance of contributing, far from it. In fact, just a week+ ago I highlighted him as one of the undervalued rookie WRs. But that was before he started rocketing up draft boards.

As to comparing him to Boldin, I frankly think that's silly. In the annals of NFL history there have been only a handful of rookie wideouts to make that kind of impression; and predicting anyone in particularly would be foolhardy.

More specifically, Boldin was the ONLY offensive contributor on the team. Bryant Johnson (another rookie that year) was the team's 2nd best receiver, they had no tight end and had no running backs to speak of. The Cards were 8th that year in pass attempts.

The Texans were 23rd last season in attempts, have Andre Johnson and Owen Daniels aboard, have Ahman Green coming into the fold, too.

Jacoby Jones COULD deliver solid fantasy numbers this year. But having him as your WR4, particularly in small leagues, is dicey.

Why is it that everytime someone loves some guy with limited potential, it's always A.Boldin? Well, Boldin tested slow. Well, Boldin came from now whereEnough with the Boldin comparisons.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

Thanks, Broadway and Jason.

I guess I view football entirely differently than either of you. Offensive output isn't a zero sum game. It's not as if there are a flat 20 points to be scored per game by a team, and the best players will get them; the others will get the crumbs. In fact, how many points a team scores is a product of who is on your team.

So given that Johnson and Green are presumably good offensive weapons is irrelevant, just like how being the only offensive weapon is irrelevant. The points your team scores will be more or less proportionate.

The comparison with Boldin seems to stand given the similarity in 1) skill; 2) starting; and 3) a competent QB at the helm. I have not looked at strength of schedule and balance of attack.

My point is only that people throw around low ceilings and "0% chances" et al. without actually appreciating what they are saying.

 

[BroadwayG]

Thanks, Broadway and Jason.

I guess I view football entirely differently than either of you. Offensive output isn't a zero sum game. It's not as if there are a flat 20 points to be scored per game by a team, and the best players will get them; the others will get the crumbs. In fact, how many points a team scores is a product of who is on your team.

So given that Johnson and Green are presumably good offensive weapons is irrelevant, just like how being the only offensive weapon is irrelevant. The points your team scores will be more or less proportionate.

The comparison with Boldin seems to stand given the similarity in 1) skill; 2) starting; and 3) a competent QB at the helm. I have not looked at strength of schedule and balance of attack.

My point is only that people throw around low ceilings and "0% chances" et al. without actually appreciating what they are saying.

I'm thoroughly

 

[buster c]

I got him as my #6 receiver in a 14 league keeper about 10 days ago.

at that point, it's all about upside. and Jones has big upside.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Anquan Boldin was a 2nd round pick out of Florida State. That's hardly what I was say "came out of nowhere." And while it's true he only had four preseason receptions, let's not forget how fragile NFL history can be...Boldin got the start in Week One when Larry Foster got hurt. Yes, LARRY FOSTER. Boldin proceeded to set a record for best receiving game by a rookie with 10 catches and 200+ yards. Were it not for an injury to little known Larry Foster, we might never have thought of Anquan Boldin as the stud he is today.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. It seems that, anyway you slice it, Jones has as good a shot as Boldin to become a stud.. so I don't really understand this 0% talk and ridiculously low ceilings.

Hey Mark,I think you need to make sure you're not confusing/combining different people's opinions here. I never said Jones has 0% chance of contributing, far from it. In fact, just a week+ ago I highlighted him as one of the undervalued rookie WRs. But that was before he started rocketing up draft boards.As to comparing him to Boldin, I frankly think that's silly. In the annals of NFL history there have been only a handful of rookie wideouts to make that kind of impression; and predicting anyone in particularly would be foolhardy. More specifically, Boldin was the ONLY offensive contributor on the team. Bryant Johnson (another rookie that year) was the team's 2nd best receiver, they had no tight end and had no running backs to speak of. The Cards were 8th that year in pass attempts.The Texans were 23rd last season in attempts, have Andre Johnson and Owen Daniels aboard, have Ahman Green coming into the fold, too. Jacoby Jones COULD deliver solid fantasy numbers this year. But having him as your WR4, particularly in small leagues, is dicey.

Everyone always goes to Boldin, but I think that rookie WRs are having more and more of an impact in the NFL today. Last year it was Colston. Moss was within the past 10 years. Torry Holt had about 800 yards receiving and 6 TDs his first year. Greg Jennings started off the year really hot last year. And every one of those guys was on a team with other offensive weapons. I think by now we should be smart enough to realize that just because a guy wasn't drafted early doesn't mean that he can't contribute to his team. That, coupled with the fact that more rookies seem to be having an impact sooner rather than later leads me to believe that the probability of guys like Jacoby and James Jones becoming worthwhile contributors is higher today than ever before.

 

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I grabbed Jones late in my draft because with his speed he will get on the field at WR#2. The texans run the west coast offense and with AJ seeing so much coverage, Jones will get some passes.

 

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Here's a note I just wrote to a kid in my league. Joined about 3 years ago (6 keeper dynasty league). To start the draft off this year, he trades away the #1 pick (Adrian Peterson) AND Carson Palmer for Reggie Wayne, Lendale White, 1.08 (after 60 players had been kept), 2.08, and a 2008 #1 pick (the guy he traded with was in the Super Bowl this year ) which automatically reverts to a 2nd round pick if the pick falls in the top 4 next year.

Then, I trade him 1.04 (Calvin Johnson) for 1.08 and his #1 pick next year (McFadden, Rice, here I come!).

His starting lineup:

Cutler or Schaub

Cadillac Williams

Warrick Dunn

Reggie Wayne

Calvin Johnson

Todd Heap

Defense - not the Bears or Ravens so does it matter?

K- see above

This guy LOVES Matt Schaub and is "building for the future".



..... and let me know if he would start to figure into your team's plans

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Jacoby Jones, WR, Houston Texans

Outside of Calvin Johnson there's been no rookie WR garnering more positive reviews. There aren't many rookie WR's who earn starting spots in their rookie years or contribute to fantasy teams. Generally, it's two to three years before they can do anything and if they start doing something their rookie year then it's generally the mark of a special player.

Obviously you have a future stud QB in Matt Schaub who should start to make the players around him better rather than have a QB who drags down the offense (Carr). Jones is NOT going to take over the #1 role in Houston anytime soon but what folks are already saying is that with Jones, the Texans have in the making one of the most deadly young WR combos in the league.

Jones is already there with his foot in the door as the WR#2 in Houston. He's looked tons better than the competition. He might have a slow Game 1 or Game 2 but he should be the unquestioned #2 by the third or fourth week of the season and start having to earn his keep as a real starter. He's aleady returned two kicks for TD's in the return game alone and has some scary skills. He's 6-2 210, a great body for an NFL WR. He's also a track star. Great body, great speed, yeah, yeah, there are lots of guys, maybe not tons, but, plenty of guys in the league with those measurables. Can he play football?

Well, he came from the same college as Marques Colston did. How about that for an insane small college WR combo? Forget that, how about that for any college? Can he play? He has natural WR skills. A great route runner, good hands, good football sense. Picked in Round 3 and Colston went in Round 7. If either of these guys had played for Ohio State they'd be household names and teams would have nabbed them in Round 1. Still, all that exposure doesn't mean a thing once you get to the NFL. The Texans are already glad they did their homework on this kid. Some teams shy away from guys when they can't see them play against bigtime college football competition. Still, look up what college the greatest WR in history went to - Jerry Rice - and I believe he went to Grand Valley State.

Basically, the kid's been lighting it up all preseason and the Texans now believe they have their long term answer for the #2 spot alongside Andre Johnson which has been a bane for this franchise for years.

When it came down for my #4 WR, I had Jones immediately behind guys like Isaac Bruce, D.J. Hackett, Derrick Mason and others at WR #4's (ranked 36-48). The clock was winding down on how many more WR's were going to be picked and since I think I'm close enough to win an AWFL Mug, I decided to get starters at that point at Defense and K. Those positons will obviously never be kept (unless your Al, he kept the Rams D one year, Al for you) but I was filling out starters. I decided if Isaac Bruce fell to me I'd take him, but I was going to make Bruce fall to me. Otherwise, this kid had just way too much upside to pass on. In a keeper league, as my WR#4; where I got him I'll take him over the likes of old, decrepit Derrick Mason any day.

Here's how I see Jones breaking down.

First off, this kid is special. Calvin Johnson is special. He's not Calvin Johnson but not many WR's show what he has so early. Another guy I had on my team that I kept one year was a kid named Chad Johnson. You just heard people talking about him all the time. A lot of these other WR's who were drafted high, what are you hearing about them? Nothin. Craig Davis. Dwayne Bowe. Steve Smith. They haven't done anything special to be talked about yet. Special doesn't come along very often. Overaged, mediocre Derrick Mason does every year we draft though.

Second, timing is the key with WR's.

Yeah, this kid is probably not going to start for you over Reggie Wayne and Calvin Johnson this year. He's a #4WR Right now. That's how good he is and he's not even played a regular season game yet. I wouldn't have drafted him if he couldn't be at least that RIGHT NOW. I wasn't drafting a guy who will put up stats next year. He's going to have numbers.

Next, he plays a few games. My bet is he may not duplicate Anquan Boldin's first career pro game - over 200 receiving yards, but he's going to do some stuff - maybe run a punt back for a TD again - ; enough, that people around the league are going to stand up and take notice and they're going to know who Jacoby Jones is. Maybe we're not talking 8 ctaches for 160 yards and 2 TD's, but they're going to see him doing some stuff and say, damn, that kid is kinda special; he's a ROOKIE?

After a couple few games getting his feet wet he has the starting job all down. Yeah, maybe Game One Kubiak doesn't want to have him out there for the first play (although many are expecting he WILL start Sunday) because he's a rookie and all and he wants to ease him in but he's going to say pretty soon, "WHo am I kidding? This kid is the best player I've got" (next to Andre Johnson) and he realizes "This MFabulousing kid is playing for me now" and he just gives Jones all the reps he can handle in practice to further him along and on Sundays the other older guys are just standing around holding their EDIT suddenly.

In the meantime, Jones has showed some twinkle. He's got a few games under his belt doing the #4 fantasy WR thing. Soon, it starts to get interesting. Guys in the AWFL are looking at their rosters and saying, "Damn, old BUTT, no upside #4 fantasy WR is doing nothing to help me win this year. When bye weeks come I cringe. I hope old BUTT WR#4 somehow were to manage catching 4 passes Sunday." Fantasy owner scrolling around AWFL site, "Wait, here's some rookie, Jacoby Jones?, and he's averaging the same number of points as the guy I drafted 4 rounds earlier? Didn't I see him catch that 65 yard bomb for a TD last night on Sportscenter after all the games were over? Man, he's getting hot. They have Andre Johnson and now they have him? Man, I wish I had Matt Schaub! Wait, Schaub threw for 3 TD's in the game? One to Andre Johnson, one to Jacoby Jones and one to Owen Daniels? I always thought Schaub was going to be a much, much better passing QB than Michael Vick. I sure as hell wish I had the rookie who's doing what my crappy old vet is doing already with some upsdie for the rest of the season that could maybe make my 6 man keeper roster for 2008 than this same piece of ART I draft every year and throw back everytime. Too late, there's no way in SOUTH Frog would trade that stud rookie after what he's done so far for this old piece of ART going nowhere. Damn! I gotta study more in the offseason!"

Happens every year, talent rises to the top. I kept reading and reading last year about Marques Colston and kick myself for not taking the risk to aquire a potential stud.

First few games, Jones starts as a WR#4. I'm watching him. I think by the end of 2007 he'll be a sold WR#3 with some potential to be a late #2. Next year, I think he starts out at least as a WR#2 with a shot at getting into WR#1 range. Career wise, this kid is definetely solid number 2 fantasy WR and has as good a chance as any to be a WR #1 as any young WR right now this side of Calvin Johnson.

I liked helping each other at the draft this year. Let's keep it up. I know you're going to be rooting for this kid sooner than you know because he's going to be making Matt Schaub your stud fantasy QB. Just letting you know who he'll be hooking up with.

By the end of 2007, I definetely think someone's going to want this kid to put them on their keeper roster. With a young team like yours, building talent, well, my number is on the owners page.

Hey - once Jamrcus Russell throws an NFL pass, maybe a 75 yard in the air bomb, he'll be a hot commodity. (My dream? The Raiders continue to be cheap and then trade his rights (rather than have him reeenter the draft with no compensation) to the Lions. Hmmm... a guy who's QB skills have been compared to Dan Marino playing in a Mike Martz offense with Calvin Johnson and Roy Williams at WR? Scary.



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