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*** Official Jaguars Thread - Team Putting #DTWD to The Test *** (3 Viewers)

So Bortles didn't play great. I'm not discouraged. Rookie QBs will do that. He should learn from those two picks. And the long INTs don't bother me at all. I would rather see him take chances downfield instead of dumping the ball off all the time. I'm confident in saying that he's going to be a good one.

Allen Robinson is going to be a beast. I can wait for he and Bortles to develop good chemistry. Allen Hurns needs to stop dropping the ball.

Gerhart looks so pedestrian. I know the line isn't the greatest, but I think it's safe to say that they were expecting something different. Storm Johnson should start to see more snaps from here on out. He looked good in his limited opportunities.

The defense looked night and day from what we've seen thus far. I am surprised that the Steelers didn't attack the middle of the field more.

 
Jaguars Insider: For wide receivers, a mix of progress, growing pains

By Ryan O'Halloran

AP

Nearly a quarter century since Jerry Sullivan last worked for Bill Arnsparger at LSU and nearly two decades since they were on the same San Diego Chargers coaching staff, Sullivan still remembers one piece of advice from the man he calls his professional mentor.

Never assume. When you assume, you get into trouble.

That has come in particularly handy for Sullivan in his third year as the Jaguars receivers coach.

Three of his players Allen Hurns, Allen Robinson and Marqise Lee are rookies and Robinson (preseason) and Lee (last three games) have missed time because of hamstring injuries.

The veteran of the group Cecil Shorts has endured three hamstring injuries and missed three games.

And the second-year spark plug Ace Sanders only returned last week from a four-game suspension.

Theyve dropped passes, run the wrong routes and missed blocks but also made big plays and tough third-down catches.

You just have to be patient about it and coach and teach, Sullivan said.

And never assume.

Ive never said, Theyve got it; they have it, Sullivan said. Learning is a progression.

And so far, the Jaguars rookie receivers are progressing, albeit at different rates.

The Jaguars are one of only two teams (Tampa Bay is the other) with three rookie receivers on their 53-man roster. (Nine teams have none and 15 have just one.)

And entering Sundays game at Tennessee, the Jaguars lead the NFL in catches (46) and receiving yards (595) by rookie receivers.

The yardage is 23.7 percent of the rookie league total of 2,519.

Thats good, Sullivan said when I showed him the statistics after Fridays practice.

Good, but not good enough. To support his teaching points, Sullivan provides examples of what the rookies are facing and should accept.

What theyre facing: Experienced cornerbacks who, Sullivan said, have seen it all. I tell the guys, You might playing against a guy that was covering receivers in this league 10 years ago when you were in the fifth grade.

What they should accept: Every practice, meeting and game is another part of the process. I remember talking to [Hall of Fame receiver] Charlie Joiner and he played 16 years in the NFL and he said, I learned something in every game I ever played in, Sullivan said.

I asked Sullivan to give a progress report on the Jaguars top six receivers (Tavarres King hasnt played in a game so he didnt make the cut):

On Hurns (16 catches-280 yards-three touchdowns): He had a bad week [three drops against Pittsburgh] and nobody knew it more than he did. Hes a competitor and hell bounce back. He has a big heart. I talked to him Monday and he had tears coming down his cheek because he was so disappointed in himself.

My take: A feel-good story who is a legitimate player. How he responds to last weeks rough outing will be telling.

On Robinson (22-243-0): Hes gotten better every week. Smart, studious, diligent and detailed. I love his tenacity. He has a great motor and wants to excel in this league and he will in time.

My take: A ton to like about him good hands, willingness to go over the middle, decent awareness of the sideline and first-down marker. Considering he missed all of August, a pleasant surprise so far.

On Lee (8-73-0): There will be limitations for him [against Tennessee]. He has great acceleration and speed and is a guy thats very capable of being a playmaker but he has a ways to go.

My take: Expectations for him against the Titans should be limited. Was plagued by mental errors in first two games so maybe the last three weeks have benefited his comfort level with playbook.

On Shorts (7-60-1): I want to see Cecil play like hes capable of and I told him, You have to shoot your gun. You cant go out there and play tentative because youve been hurt. He has to play as fast and as hard as he can.

My take: Im surprised Shorts is back after missing only the San Diego game with his fourth leg injury since early June. The clock is ticking on his contract drive.

On Sanders (2-12-0): Its a growing process with Ace. He hadnt played a game in a while until last week. Well filter him back in there and hell be fine.

My take: Listed fourth on this depth chart probably fits what Sanders can do well catch 3-4 passes a game and stay fresh for punt returns.

On Mike Brown (7-88-0): Steady, dependable, knows his role, never wavers. You always want a guy like Mike Brown because he has a great heart and works his butt off every day.

My take: Hes now the odd man out if the Jaguars have five receivers active on Sundays.

The Jaguars have used five different combinations of active receivers in six games, but all hands are healthy and available for Sunday.

Its been a long time coming, Shorts said. I dont think weve had two practices where all of us were healthy and able to practice. Itll be exciting to see how we use all the weapons."

HEAVY LIFTING

The Jaguars have had three rookie receivers play major roles this year. A look at their production through the first five games:

WR snaps: 73.9 percent (578 of 782).

■ Alllen Hurns 280, Allen Robinson 197, Marqise Lee 101.

Receptions: 42.9 percent (46 of 107)

■ A. Robinson 22, Hurns 16, Lee 8.

Receiving yards: 51.3 percent (595 of 1,160)

■ Hurns 280, Robinson 243, Lee 73.

TD catches: 50.0 percent (3 of 6).

■ Hurns 3.

■ Rookie TE Nic Jacobs also has a touchdown catch.

 
Jaguars' building block Luke Joeckel still has work to do after losing rookie season to injury

By Ryan O'Halloran

AP

A few days ago, Jaguars left tackle Luke Joeckel called himself out.

I thought I would come back and be 100 percent, he said.

Thought he would return from a broken leg to be a force.

Thought he would come back from a nearly yearlong absence and maul defenders.

Thought he would debut against Philadelphia as well as Washington and Indianapolis in the opening three games in top form.

Nope. Hardly. Negative.

I think I did underestimate how this is such a fast and physical game and if youre not full strength, its difficult, he said. Getting back to that was definitely a transition and I still feel like Im fighting for that.

The fight for Joeckel and the Jaguars (0-5) continues Sunday at Tennessee (1-4).

Joeckel, the current regimes first draft pick (No. 2 overall) in April 2013, will be making his 11th start. He has yet to win an NFL regular season game.

Joeckels rookie year was marked or marred by playing out of position at right tackle for four games, moving to left tackle on a Wednesday (following the Eugene Monroe trade) and starting at St. Louis (opposite Chris Long) on a Sunday and sustaining a season-ending injury 12 snaps later.

Gone was the chance to gain valuable experience against the leagues premier pass rushers and run stuffers. Present was surgery and months of rehabilitation.

But a day shy of 53 weeks since the injury, Joeckel isnt so much struggling as he is going through the ebbs and flows that he should have gone through last year.

The Jaguars company line this week when asked about Joeckel: They see signs for optimism, but are also tightening the screws. Joeckel, after all, became Blake Bortles blind-side protector at halftime of the Indianapolis game and if this offensive line is to become consistently functional, it starts with him.

We just keep challenging him, coach Gus Bradley said. We want more from him. Were trying to elevate the bar on what we expect out of him.

Joeckel has embraced the increased scrutiny.

The expectations are high and I have to meet those, he said. Im taking steps forward but I need to take bigger steps and help my team win a game.

REBOUND FROM WEEK 1

An semi-untrained eye of Joeckels 305 snaps this year was revealing. It confirmed his tough game against the Eagles, but also his uptick the last two games.

A rundown of Joeckels negative plays, which include a missed block on a rushing play that gained 3 or fewer yards (but not a rush that resulted in a first down or touchdown), and any pass protection breakdown that results in his man hurrying or hitting the quarterback.

Philadelphia: Eleven five bad runs, four pressures, two knockdowns.

Washington: Five 1.5 sacks, two additional knockdowns, one bad run.

Indianapolis: Four one sack, one bad run and two other knockdowns.

San Diego: Six one missed block on a tight end screen, three knockdowns, two quarterback pressures.

Pittsburgh: Four two bad runs, one penalty and one quarterback knockdown.

(This is unscientific the blocking assignments and pass protection calls are unknown; the Jaguars, for example, didnt credit Joeckel with a sack allowed against the Colts.)

The Eagles game featured a possession to forget he was beat four times in a span of 11 plays, three times by defensive lineman Fletcher Cox.

Based on percentage of bad plays, Pittsburgh was Joeckels best game.

Hes continued to get better, interim offensive line coach Luke Butkus said. The theme of this program is Get better, and were doing everything we can to do that and hes taken that to heart and understand he has to do more. He has to keep working his technique and keep fighting, scratching and clawing to get better.

Hes still young and has a lot to learn but the best thing about him is that he wants to get better.

Joeckel said overwhelmed isnt the right word to describe how he felt early in the season, but he had to remind himself to have a short memory.

You cant go in the tank after giving up a sack or having a bad play, he said. You need to keep fighting.

COMFORT LEVEL

At Texas A&M, Joeckel could rely on his elite athleticism to overcome a bad pass-pro set he could recover to make the block. It doesnt work that way in the NFL. Fundamentals are the foundation of consistent offensive line performance.

Theres never perfection in your technique, Joeckel said. Twelve-year guys still work on it. Its something Im working on.

And just going out there and playing football and not over-thinking everything is a huge thing, too.

With that, Joeckel hit on a key thing that has impacted other Jaguars this year on offense and defense. They want to be so effective, theyre having paralysis by analysis.

As athletic as Luke is, he still has that lunch-pail mentality of coming here every day to work, Butkus said. Every week, its getting a little more comfortable for him, but he never gets so comfortable that he settles for it.

The Jaguars hope theyve achieved the continuity theyve lacked especially over the last two years. Joeckel, left guard Zane Beadles and right guard Brandon Linder havent missed a snap. Center Luke Bowanko will start his four consecutive game Sunday and right tackle Austin Pasztor is in his second game back from a broken hand.

The linchpin must be Joeckel.

Before coming to the Jaguars, Beadles played alongside two-time All Pro left tackle Ryan Clady in Denver. He knows what elite left tackle play looks like.

Different players, different skill sets, Beadles said. But Luke can definitely play at [Cladys] level and I expect him to get there.

 
Looks like Jags will start five rookies from this year's draft class on offense today.

Bowanko and Linder at C and RG. Storm Johnson at RB Allen Robinson at WR and of course Bortles.

 
JaxBill said:
Looks like Jags will start five rookies from this year's draft class on offense today.

Bowanko and Linder at C and RG. Storm Johnson at RB Allen Robinson at WR and of course Bortles.
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And Hurns and Lee will see significant time.

I think the offense takes a big step forward today.

 
Mr. Brownstone said:
Mr. Brownstone said:
JaxBill said:
Looks like Jags will start five rookies from this year's draft class on offense today.

Bowanko and Linder at C and RG. Storm Johnson at RB Allen Robinson at WR and of course Bortles.
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And Hurns and Lee will see significant time.I think the offense takes a big step forward today.
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Yeah, um, about that big step...
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Bortles is not the answer right now and neither are the WRs. It's the oline. The oline is terrible. Not sure why there continues to be all this optimism.
 
lets be honest brohans now that the blake show has started there is some hope it really makes you realize how bad poopy pant gabbert was i mean that guy should show up every day and clean the toilets just to say thanks fro all the moolah and for ruining the name of the proudest and most storied franchise in the history of organized football man was he bad take that to the bank bromigos

 
jurb26 said:
Mr. Brownstone said:
Mr. Brownstone said:
JaxBill said:
Looks like Jags will start five rookies from this year's draft class on offense today.

Bowanko and Linder at C and RG. Storm Johnson at RB Allen Robinson at WR and of course Bortles.
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And Hurns and Lee will see significant time.I think the offense takes a big step forward today.
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Yeah, um, about that big step...
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Bortles is not the answer right now and neither are the WRs. It's the oline. The oline is terrible. Not sure why there continues to be all this optimism.
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Accept defeat for Andrus Peat.

 
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Ilov80s said:
JaxBill said:
Ilov80s said:
Is Klay Harbor a legit TE moving forward or was this a fluke?
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He should get the bulk of the TE targets until Marcedes gets back in a few weeks.
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You think there is any chance he usurps Mercedes? I've never seen Klay so I don't know what kind of talent he is.
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Very little chance Clay Harbor displaces Marcedes Lewis. Lewis is a great blocker, which is needed.
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Thanks, I added Harbor just to play this week with Kelce out and was obviously ecstatic. I had planned to drop him, but maybe I can hold and try to trade for someone that might need a TE for byes since you don't recommend holding.
 
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So Browns come to Everbank next week without Alex Mack (broken leg) and Manziel on the bench. Yet the team that looks like they've found their franchise QB is scuffling for first win.

 
hey brohans i could not be more happy that the most storied franchise in the history of organized sports seems to be turning it around i am bored with this one choo choo brohans that is all that i am saying take that to the bank brochachos

 
About sums it up

Dave from Jacksonville:
So we finally get a running game going in the first half and the defense plays lights out and Bortles plays like a typical rookie. Come on man!
John: This was the first email of the day. I like posting the first email of the day. It keeps me amused. Anyway, this was it and it sort of held throughout the game that Blake Bortles struggled. You know what? That’s the price of admission for most rookie quarterbacks. When people wrote me all summer saying, “Play the Kid” and “Let Him Learn from His Mistakes,” that’s what they were requesting. That’s the reason coaches hesitated putting him into the lineup over Chad Henne. None of that is to say the Jaguars would be better off playing Henne. I don’t think that’s the case. But when coaches weren’t sure if Bortles was ready in early September, there were legitimate reasons. At the same time, Bortles on Sunday also showed why he’s going to be a very good quarterback. He had three interceptions and never lost confidence and never stopped leading. He’ll be fine. It will just take time.
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Poz to IR. Losing Poz will definitely hurt the run D, but given his coverage woes, it's not the biggest loss.

Andre Branch is out ~6 weeks. I was hoping Ryan Davis would get more time. He'll get it now.

 
Mr. Brownstone said:
Poz to IR. Losing Poz will definitely hurt the run D, but given his coverage woes, it's not the biggest loss.

Andre Branch is out ~6 weeks. I was hoping Ryan Davis would get more time. He'll get it now.
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JT Thomas to middle. Dekoda Watson, LaRoy Reynold to Otto (strongside). Telvin Smith to see more weakside time.

 
JaxBill said:
Mr. Brownstone said:
Poz to IR. Losing Poz will definitely hurt the run D, but given his coverage woes, it's not the biggest loss.

Andre Branch is out ~6 weeks. I was hoping Ryan Davis would get more time. He'll get it now.
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JT Thomas to middle. Dekoda Watson, LaRoy Reynold to Otto (strongside). Telvin Smith to see more weakside time.
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do you think telvin now has a chance to stay on the field every snap?

what did they do after poz left?

 
JaxBill said:
Mr. Brownstone said:
Poz to IR. Losing Poz will definitely hurt the run D, but given his coverage woes, it's not the biggest loss.

Andre Branch is out ~6 weeks. I was hoping Ryan Davis would get more time. He'll get it now.
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JT Thomas to middle. Dekoda Watson, LaRoy Reynold to Otto (strongside). Telvin Smith to see more weakside time.
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The Jacksonville Jaguars lost Paul Posluszny for the season with a torn bicep in their win against the Cleveland Browns, which lead many to panic about the loss. Many people thought it would be a huge blow to the Jaguars defense, but fourth year linebacker J.T. Thomas stepped into his place and the Jaguars defense didn't skip a beat.

Not only did they not skip a beat, but they shut down the Miami Dolphins offense for much of the game and held a quarterback to under 200 yards passing for the first time all season. Thomas picked up six tackles, had a pass deflection and also picked off Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill. Thomas had a +1.3 grade on ProFootballFocus, including a +1.6 grade in pass coverage. Outside of one play on a blown coverage by safety Johnathan Cyprien, the Dolphins tight ends were shut down and it didn't seem like the middle of the field was picked on.


The team was also without defensive end Andre Branch, who like Poz, many thought would be a big blow to the defensive line rotation and pass rush. Missing Branch didn't seem to be a big loss at all, in fact all it did was get Ryan Davis on the field more and he picked up two more sacks on the season, as well as a hit on the quarterback and another hurry.

I'm not ready to declare the Jaguars defensive group "deep", but it was nice to see the team able to absorb two losses and not skip a beat.

-Via BCC

 
Jaguars owner Shad Khan wants to extend London series but also wants to develop Jacksonville Shipyards area.

*Khan said the Jaguars-London experience through two years has “exceeded expectations,” and it “makes sense” for the Jaguars to extend their agreement with the NFL beyond 2016.

“Obviously, it depends on the league, but if you were asking me today, I would say, ‘Yes [it would be extended],’” Khan said. “That decision is at least a year away or more.”

*It doesn’t sound like Khan is open to playing more than one home game in London per year.

“We have to look at where we are as a franchise in Jacksonville, how many tickets we’re selling and what are the [fan and business] engagements,” he said. “Everything is geared toward stabilizing the franchise in Jacksonville.”

The Jaguars, under the Caldwell's and Bradley's leadership, have pinpointed March 2015 as a big free agent year and Khan said the team will be “very active.”

“We were active this year – look at our defensive line, which is pretty good and they’re mostly free agents,” he said. “We’re going to be very active for a number of reasons. Other teams don’t have the luxury we have – they have constraints and can’t sign everyone. We’ll be on the flip side.”

*Back in Jacksonville, Khan is “very optimistic” he and the city can strike a deal to develop the Shipyards.

“We’ve had a proposal there and I’m very optimistic we’re going to get that done,” he said. “And then we really want to do a world-class development that will be iconic for Jacksonville and really set the stage for the revitalization of downtown. You cannot have a viable city in modern America unless you have a good downtown.”
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Wadsworth said:
JaxBill said:
So maybe, just maybe, the Cowboys are thinking "Meh, it's just the Jaguars...."

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 5m5 minutes ago

#Cowboys sources: A whopping 20 players missed curfew on Friday night. Coaches are frustrated. Veterans, too. Are they taking it seriously?
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If the they are late for the kickoff it might matter.
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Damn, haven't seen you here in a while.
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Hey man. Been around, just more lurking than complaining recently.

 
I understand the Jags struggling and losing. I understand the rookies finding their way. What I don’t understand is just how painfully bad the special teams are. Usually the bad, young teams have pretty good special teams because a) they require young hungry players b) it’s usually the easiest thing to fix. And it’s not like the kicker/punter are terrible, it’s the other more disposable guys that are mostly to blame.

 
I don't understand something that the Jags did yesterday. Dallas was up 17-7 when Jax got the ball with about 1:10 or so left in the first half. Denard Robinson (one of their best offensive weapons apart from the other Robinson) was not even on the field. They opened the drive with an incomplete pass to Todman, ended up going 3 and out and Dallas scored right before half time to go up 24-7.

I know I might not be the sharpest football mind, but I'm thinking when you get a take away and are within 10 points, one of your most dynamic playmakers should probably be on the field at that point.

 
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I don't understand something that the Jags did yesterday. Dallas was up 17-7 when Jax got the ball with about 1:10 or so left in the first half. Denard Robinson (one of their best offensive weapons apart from the other Robinson) was not even on the field. They opened the drive with an incomplete pass to Todman, ended up going 3 and out and Dallas scored right before half time to go up 24-7.

I know I might not be the sharpest football mind, but I'm thinking when you get a take away and are within 10 points, one of your most dynamic playmakers should probably be on the field at that point.
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I've seen them do that before. They generally use Todman in their two minute offense. I think that was because they thought Todman was a better pass blocker. Denard showed in this game, however, that he is improving rapidly on that front. The Jags also seem to want to use Toby as a short yardage back. That didn't work out too well either, with three failed one yard to go situations.

 
I realize this is reaching but Marcedes Lewis has been activated. He had a terrific game against Washington but then got hurt. I've heard he's a good blocker but always thought he was a pretty good overall TE. With the injury to Robinson and WR being a revolving door is there a chance he could be a fantasy asset? I've been in Rudolph/Ertz misery and there is nothing but Amaro out there.

 
Houston turmOiler said:
I realize this is reaching but Marcedes Lewis has been activated. He had a terrific game against Washington but then got hurt. I've heard he's a good blocker but always thought he was a pretty good overall TE. With the injury to Robinson and WR being a revolving door is there a chance he could be a fantasy asset? I've been in Rudolph/Ertz misery and there is nothing but Amaro out there.
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I don't think so, at least not with any type of regularity that you could count on. I thnk he's going to be more of an asset to the Jags as a blocker, for the most part.
 
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Houston turmOiler said:
I realize this is reaching but Marcedes Lewis has been activated. He had a terrific game against Washington but then got hurt. I've heard he's a good blocker but always thought he was a pretty good overall TE. With the injury to Robinson and WR being a revolving door is there a chance he could be a fantasy asset? I've been in Rudolph/Ertz misery and there is nothing but Amaro out there.
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I don't think so, at least not with any type of regularity that you could count on. I thnk he's going to be more of an asset to the Jags as a blocker, for the most part.
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That's kind of been what he's been his whole career...better real player than fantasy guy. Thanks for the input though.

 
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