Englishteacher
Footballguy
Where is this guy going to go? Or, is he staying put?
He's a pretty decent starting QB that could really help improve the outlook of several teams.
Bring it.
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Where is this guy going to go? Or, is he staying put?
He's a pretty decent starting QB that could really help improve the outlook of several teams.
Bring it.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
odd its so quiet on QB Campbell .........
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
When someone realizes they missed out on the QB they want in the draft the action will heat up.
burgundy and gold
Footballguy
I still say Buffalo. I think the Skins ship the 1.04 and Campbell to Buffalo for the 1.09 and the 2.09. That way Buf. gets Clausen with time to groom him by starting JC. The Skins get a top notch tackle and a good 2nd rd. pick.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Could happen during the draft though as the Skins are low on draft picks.Round 1, Pick 4 (4) -- -- Round 4, Pick 5 (103) -- -- Round 5, Pick 4 (135) -- -- Round 7, Pick 4 (211)
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pretender
Footballguy
I too believe that JC has gotten a bad rap - I wish I could have seen him on a team that had a decent - just a decent O line and the same offensive scheme for 3 years in a row.
I'm not sure if he mentally has what it takes to start over somewhere else - with a new O Coordinator and another offense to learn.
Should be interesting to see what if anything happens to him during the draft or right after the draft.
I'm not sure if he mentally has what it takes to start over somewhere else - with a new O Coordinator and another offense to learn.
Should be interesting to see what if anything happens to him during the draft or right after the draft.
burgundy and gold
Footballguy
JC has improved every year but he has a ways to go. He would benefit from some stability. I dont think hes a WCO guy at all. The best situation for him and his cadeer would be Carolina. But i hope Buf. trades for him .pretender said:
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
If you're down with someone throwing 2 yard dumpoffs seemingly on third and 8 EVERY....FRIGGIN....TIME then Campbell's your guy.
Seems like he's completely afraid to challenge defenses deep. Something else to note...Campbell has, on paper at least, almost exactly what Skeletor typically looks for in a QB: Mobility, size, pretty good arm. He apparently refused to even give Campbell a SHOT at being his QB. That's telling.
There's something wanting with Jason Campbell. I'm not sure what it is, but he just doesn't have 'it.' A change of scenery can't hurt, but I'd temper expectations.
Seems like he's completely afraid to challenge defenses deep. Something else to note...Campbell has, on paper at least, almost exactly what Skeletor typically looks for in a QB: Mobility, size, pretty good arm. He apparently refused to even give Campbell a SHOT at being his QB. That's telling.
There's something wanting with Jason Campbell. I'm not sure what it is, but he just doesn't have 'it.' A change of scenery can't hurt, but I'd temper expectations.
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Fair enough, but what he does have is a ton of heart and toughness. I thought he showed a lot of character in the last few games when the Redskins were absolutely decimated by injuries and he had very little around him. He's not going to be a top tier guy, but there are certainly teams who could use him.
I think it's pretty funny that everyone who says Campbell gets a bad rap isn't a Redskins fan. If you were, you would know that the guy just doesn't have whatever "it" is to make it as a top level QB. They see box scores at the end of games and will think Campbell did pretty good when in actuality he did not and padded his stats with a lot of catch up football. When the game was on the line, Campbell failed with the ball in his hands more often then not.
Sure he's a nice guy. Sure he's tough. Sure he's played in a different system almost every year (not last year). But at some point you just either are or are not a top NFL QB. He is not. New systems or not, he still can't read a D, doesn't take enough chances with the football according to the game situation, throws a horrible deep ball and runs into sacks. He has moments of great play and then he goes and makes some of the dumbest plays you'll see a QB make. It's frustrating and if another team think he is just in a bad situation in Washington I beg them to trade for him and give the Skins anything in return.
Sure he's a nice guy. Sure he's tough. Sure he's played in a different system almost every year (not last year). But at some point you just either are or are not a top NFL QB. He is not. New systems or not, he still can't read a D, doesn't take enough chances with the football according to the game situation, throws a horrible deep ball and runs into sacks. He has moments of great play and then he goes and makes some of the dumbest plays you'll see a QB make. It's frustrating and if another team think he is just in a bad situation in Washington I beg them to trade for him and give the Skins anything in return.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
If this happens it will be Okung at the 1.4 to help protect Campbell. If the Bills want Clausen they can wait to get him at the 1.9 and still get a decent OT in the 2nd.burgundy and gold said:
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Englishteacher
Footballguy
CaptainHook
Footballguy
very good postingwhat im looking forward to most this season is how disapointed redskins fans are with mcnabb
Englishteacher
Footballguy
The Skins put a first round tender on him and no one bit. So, what round draft pick do you think it would take to get him?
4th round pick would get him.
It's a nice built in excuse he has along with the ever present "X systems in X years" excuse. Fact is I've seen every game Jason Campbell has played in the NFL and while I'm no QB guru, I've seen enough to know that he is an average to below average starting QB. He has had plenty of times in games with great protection and he still makes the same poor mistakes he's made over the years. His OL situation and coaching situation certainly didn't help in his development, but he fails at even the basic things. Have you seen his infamous intentional grounding play last year? Or his hail mary that went straight out of bounds? I'm pretty confident in Shanahan's ability to judge a QB and the first minute he had a chance he brought in a replacement and told Campbell he's trading him. Now I'm making an assumption Shanny did his homework on Campbell and made the decision that the Skins needed a new QB. So unless you are somehow more qualified to make that call then Shanny I think I'll trust him.
Being disappointed in McNabb at some point in the season won't turn Campbell into a good QB. He is what he is. Average.
He's borderline in the top 25. I think he's an improvement for:St Louis (until they draft Bradford)ClevelandOaklandBuffaloArizona (assuming Leinart is the guy here, but he might show something with full time snaps)San FranSo that puts him at #26, maybe 25 depending on how Moore does in Carolina.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
here's his rank in one of my leagues - just a bit below Palmer and Flacco believe it or not.Rodgers, Aaron GBP QBBrees, Drew NOS QBManning, Peyton IND QBSchaub, Matt HOU QBBrady, Tom NEP QBRomo, Tony DAL QBFavre, Brett MIN QBRivers, Philip SDC QBRoethlisberger, Ben PIT QBWarner, Kurt ARI QBManning, Eli NYG QBCutler, Jay CHI QBMcNabb, Donovan PHI QBGarrard, David JAC QBFlacco, Joe BAL QBPalmer, Carson CIN QBCampbell, Jason WAS QB
Hang 10
Footballguy
I can't think of many games where JC was padding his stats when the game was out of hand. Fact is, the skins were usually in close games but what you are right about, he's never really been able to make the plays down the stretch to actually win one of those close games.
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The Qb always takes the heat when thing's ain't going well even in Philly a lot of Eagles fans would say the same thing about McNabb. The truth is Campbell never had a good line or very talented skill players and no Qb that isn't a top guy can win without them. Then you add in the junk he has had as a coach and yet you still blame him I just don't get it except that MOST fans always blame the QB.
I see better QBs carry their teams to some wins despite some shortcomings in certain positions. Campbell is the opposite. He's had many close games with the ball in his hands, good protection and he comes up short. Almost every time. I don't WANT to blame Campbell. I was rooting for him to succeed. But it's obvious he does not come through in the clutch and he has very questionable decision making. He's been hammered by NFL network breakdowns multiple times and as well by Jaws, Chucky, etc. Or do these guys just want to blame the QB too?
CaptainHook
Footballguy
A year ago, Jaworski tabbed Campbell as an MVP candidate through the first eight games of the season. Despite a difficult final eight games last year and uneven play this season, Jaworski still likes what he sees, stating firmly: "I don't think you need to start over at quarterback. You can win with this guy.
"He needs a stable environment, he needs a better supporting cast. But as I look at some other quarterbacks around this league, the Redskins should be thankful to a certain degree that they've got this guy," Jaworski said. "Is he there yet? No. But you can see the fundamentals are in place; the clay is starting to be formed."
-Dec 09
"He needs a stable environment, he needs a better supporting cast. But as I look at some other quarterbacks around this league, the Redskins should be thankful to a certain degree that they've got this guy," Jaworski said. "Is he there yet? No. But you can see the fundamentals are in place; the clay is starting to be formed."
-Dec 09
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Never? Before injuries and age caught up with them the Skins had a very good o-line. Santana Moss and Chris Cooley are not a bad combo of skill players to lead a team.It seems people bend over backwards to make excuses for Jason Campbell for some reason - after a while you just have to turn the page. He's a decent to good QB but will never be great. He has the tools but makes a lot of poor decisions. He may improve a few QB situations in the league but is not a long term answer for anyone.Nagle2998 said:
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Probably no movement until 2nd day of the draft. OAK, BUF, CLE, CAR, ARI, STL, and MIN could all be looking at him dependent on what goes down in the first three rounds. If we are lucky we could get a 3rd rounder for him, and it might be a 2011. Anyone that thinks higher is high. All these teams know he will be released in May if they are just willing to wait it out.
For those thinking he's a good prospect, you're nuts. It has nothing to do with being in 3 to 4 systems. Fact is the guy can't read coverages fast enough. Casserly and Jaworski (despite him liking Campbell) have shown it on film. He makes the wrong read again and again. He doesn't exactly bring leadership qualities either.
Campbell is a good stand-in for 1-2 years if you need to develop a new quarterback. BUF is really the best place for him to succeed because of the system, but it comes down to who doesn't pick Clausen, McCoy, Tebow and LaFevors, and if so if they will start them immediately.
For those thinking he's a good prospect, you're nuts. It has nothing to do with being in 3 to 4 systems. Fact is the guy can't read coverages fast enough. Casserly and Jaworski (despite him liking Campbell) have shown it on film. He makes the wrong read again and again. He doesn't exactly bring leadership qualities either.
Campbell is a good stand-in for 1-2 years if you need to develop a new quarterback. BUF is really the best place for him to succeed because of the system, but it comes down to who doesn't pick Clausen, McCoy, Tebow and LaFevors, and if so if they will start them immediately.
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I think the Redskins will keep Cambell as a 2nd stringer if a trade does not materialize. It will be telling if Campbell is not traded and the Redskins do not spend a low round pick on a qb. Right now they only have 4 draft picks to play with.
Carriker was not the Rams best interior lineman. He hardly played last year. He is a much better fit as a 3-4 DE.
5 years in the NFL already. How long does this clay take to form? I'm gonna side with Shanny on this one. He picked up a replacement for Campbell at the first chance he could.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
The tender was for $3m. That's a lot to pay for a backup that will not be here in 2011. Campbell might even be a 3rd stringer since Grossman knows this system better and played under the OC. Casserly suggested Campbell will be released in May if he isn't traded.Not saying you aren't right. I'd probably keep him too even if he was 3rd string. It just seems those in the know think he'll be gone no matter what.
CaptainHook
Footballguy
McNabb is first, Campbell is second. Can you list the W-L record and playoff appearances too?
Look, if you want to believe Campbell is a solid QB on par with some of the Pro Bowlers out there, then that's fine. You won't convince me, but I respect that's your opinion. I just find it odd that for being such a good QB he's very unwanted at the moment. I also find it odd that when the Skins did make the playoffs in the 2 times Gibbs was back, Campbell had pretty much nothing to do with it.Sorry for derailing the thread. As of now the latest I heard is that Campbell signed his tender and has been told by Shanny and the Skins to stay away from Redskins facilities while he/his agent try to find a trade partner. I'll assume come draft day he might be moved. If not, I'm sure teams will be interested and they might just wait to see if the Redskins just waive him rather then paying him his tender.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Dude, we get it. You don't like black QB's. Give it a rest. You're like a broken record.Campbell:
Englishteacher
Footballguy
And it's at the most important position in football. We're not talking an average Outside Linebacker here. We're talking someone who has the most impact on the field of all 22 guys for roughly 500 plays a year. To me, Jason Campbell is a big deal. I'd love for my Panthers to give him a shot and have him compete with Moore.
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Englishteacher
Footballguy
for rumors the day before the draft.Similar threads
