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***Official Jays Thread*** They spent $234 Million on this? (1 Viewer)

Northern Voice said:
The Duff Man said:
What a freakin moron. I think he decided pregame, it would be Dickey for half and Price for half.
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Which is great strategy considering you have your best starter since his return in Stroman going Wednesday. I love the strategy, just haven't seen the best of Price lately.
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It's great strategy till it became a 6 run game. Have to retool and save Price for late relief if it gets close. Leave Dickey in, if he falters, get Hendricks and Price going (Hendricks to give Price time if necessary). now they have just Loup to face 2/3/4 :gulp:

Much more confident in Stroman going in game 5 as well.

 
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I dont see how anyone can defend gibbons actions today. Zero reason to bring in price when he did.

He better hope stroman goes 7 on Wednesday.

That being said, i like our chances.

 
Parmcat said:
Northern Voice said:
Da Guru said:
I thought the Jays traded for Price for this exact moment..to win the big game.
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Stroman is really ####### good.
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Yes he I'd...but....

He had not pitched on short rest this season. There was NO reason the use Price when they did .Topera is the man in that spot, but Dickey should have been in there longer. Dave the pen for when it Is NEEDED
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Stroman won't be on short rest, if that's what you mean, that was Harold Reynolds nonsense. He pitched on Friday and now he'll be pitching on Wednesday. There is no situation where Tepera is the man.

 
why not save Price and use Stro for the first 2 times through the order and Price for the latter 2? using him in a 7-1 game just makes no sense whatsoever. idc.

 
If Dickey had to be replaced, who would you put in the game? Loup wasn't at game 4 for family reasons. Cecil is out due to injury. Sanchez and Osuna are the late guys. You're not pitching Tepara. That leaves Lowe, Hawkins, and Hendricks. Are those three good enough to get 7 outs without crapping the bed?

Can Estrada or Dickey pitch in game 5 if needed? How much time do the starters need between games?

 
I like Hendricks and would be comfortable using him there for a few batters, but it's the lefty thing. I believe Price will pitch in game 5 as well, regardless of what Gibby says.

Then if you win, next series is Estrada games 1/5, Price 2/6, Stroman 3/7 all on regular rest (if you want to call what Price will be on regular rest).

 
oso diablo said:
Northern Voice said:
Smack Tripper said:
Was this whole thing about getting Price a cheap playoff win?
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It was about no lefties in the bullpen and the team wanting Stroman starting game 5.
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so why not just let Dickey keep pitching?
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Best explanation I've heard is that because Choo and Beltre were already 4/4 vs Dickey on the day. The lead could have shrunk to 3-4 in the next two batters and then you're bringing in Price anyway.

 
No Loup again, hate to speculate because you assume it has to be something real serious for him to miss these games. Jeff Francis on ALCS roster :eek: ??

 
ok, that's plausible, i guess.

just feel for the age 40+ Dickey trying to get his first-ever playoff win, facing the team that drafted him. at the point, the Blue Jays had a 97% win probability. Dickey had retired 6 of the last 7 batters. Seemed to me that his knuckler was still working.

eta: this was in response to the earlier post about Dickey/Price

 
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Good luck today guys. Those big bats in front of the home crowd. I really see a Toronto win by 6 or 7 runs. Feels like the over and TOR money line parlay is the way to go. It was a good series.

 
oso diablo said:
ok, that's plausible, i guess.

just feel for the age 40+ Dickey trying to get his first-ever playoff win, facing the team that drafted him. at the point, the Blue Jays had a 97% win probability. Dickey had retired 6 of the last 7 batters. Seemed to me that his knuckler was still working.

eta: this was in response to the earlier post about Dickey/Price
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Yeah, I don't agree with it but it is kind of logical and Gibbons was playing it incredibly safe. IMO, if he does give up a couple runs, you bring in Hendricks/Tepera to get out of the inning then have Price ready to start the next. Oh well. They win today and it doesn't matter.

 
Congrats!! Wanted to see the Jays advance. Has to be a heck of a lineup with Tulo batting 6th.

Hoping for a Jays-Astro HR Derby type of ALCS.

 
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Michael Grange on tonight's game's place in Toronto sports:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-a-disinfectant-for-torontos-wounded-sports-psyche/

TORONTO – Is Karma capitalized? Yes, I think Karma is capitalized.

I mean, this was a pressing question in the final moments of what will be remembered as one of the finest, richest, craziest and long-awaited pieces of sports theatre you will ever see.

And a lot of people saw it.

That’s the thing about the 2015 Toronto Blue Jays. They are a THING. Sold out for weeks on end. Record television ratings, a team transitioning from really good to borderline legendary in the space of one week in October.

They are filling a need, a void.


And while they are only one third of the way home to a World Series, the ultimate destination for a team that has the feel of destiny about it – even if you’re not into that kind of thing, you have to admit it kind of fits in this case – they way they’ve gotten this far is some kind of epic tale that they’ll be making documentaries about when Jose Bautista is bald and grey.

And that will only cover the seventh inning of the Blue Jays come-from-behind, you-wouldn’t-believe-it-unless-you-saw-it 6-3 win.

The Blue Jays are ALDS champs. They are heading to the American League Championship Series for the first time in 22 years. This would be amazing enough in any circumstance. But they got there in a fashion that is closer to boyhood fiction than anything that actually happens outside of that.

They were 23-30 on June 2, remember? They were eight games behind the New York Yankees on July 28, remember?

And after losing in 14 innings at home just this past Friday, they were 0-2 in the five-game ALDS.


And – it will forever be remembered – they were trailing the Texas Rangers 3-2 heading into the bottom of the seventh inning at Rogers Centre on Wednesday. And they got in that pothole in the most Toronto way imaginable.

The short version: The Rangers’ Roughned Odor was on third base with one out, the count was 2-2 to Shin Soo-Choo when Blue Jays catcher Russell Martin threw the ball back to Aaron Sanchez. Except the ball never got there. It glanced off Choo’s bat, rolled up the third base line, and confusion reigned.

Home plate umpire Dale Scott seemed to signal time out. Martin thought the play was dead – which it would have been had Choo been outside the batter’s box when Martin’s throw hit his bat. Odor didn’t ask, he simply ran home rather than wait for permission. And Choo was in the batter’s box, so Martin was charged with a throwing error and upon review the Rangers were awarded the run and a 3-2 lead.

It was a strange situation, but ultimately the right call. But that it happened?

That was the thing. You could write book about what it’s like to be a Toronto sports fan. It would be equally parts sad and scary and the heroes would always die in the end, in the same way lemmings always fall off the cliff.

And that particular moment, when the Blue Jays seemed to have come undone because of a fluke play that no one – even the umpire – seemed to understand when it happened would have been the perfect of summation of all of that pain.

It was Kerry Fraser missing Wayne Gretzky’s high stick on Doug Gilmour for the smartphone generation.

It might have only been the seventh inning, but it was exactly how a perfect Toronto season would end – painfully, controversially – even if no one could have imagined it 30 seconds before it happened.

There have been decades without championships. Decades without making the playoffs, even. Even lately, when teams have qualified for post-season play it’s brought a special kind of ache, the kind that settles deep in your bones.

The Toronto Maple Leafs not only losing in seven games to the Boston Bruins in 2013, but blowing a 4-1 lead midway through the third period. Not only do the Toronto Raptors get swept by the Washington Wizards, they get swept in the most humiliating way imaginable.

In this respect the 2015 Blue Jays have been less a salve for a wounded, contorted sporting psyche, but a disinfectant. Since they caught fire after the trade deadline they have proved that Toronto can be happy again. They gave Blue Jays fans and sports fans and eventually just people looking for something to cheer for something to cheer for. It was safe to embrace and believe, and crowds came out in droves and watched in record numbers. It was like a boulder had been rolled back from the cave and a lost people could stand up and see the sun again, some for the very first time.

But for a moment, when that ball went bouncing off Choo’s bat and Odor crossed the plate, it seemed like a big set up. A long con. Maybe MLB was in on it. Maybe it went higher than that. Because for all the highs these magical three months have delivered, losing this game, that way, would have undone them all. It’s never cool for fans to throw garbage on the field of play as some did. But you could understand the urge.

It would have been proof that the happiness that other sports fans in other cities seem to enjoy sometimes was not going to be available here. Ever.

But then came the bottom of the seventh and three straight Texas errors and you started wondering if it was ‘karma’ or ‘Karma’. A tying run comes home and then Bautista came up to bat with two on and one out. And Rangers reliever Sam Dyson grooved one and Bautista sent it so far and so hard that every single person in the Rogers Centre knew it was gone the minute it left the bat.

And as it cleared the field of play it seemed to take with it all that pain. All those years.

In its place a strange new feeling.

I think they call it joy.
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the entirety of the post game interviews was off the chains funny.

muni killed it.

revere just destroying it too.

Toronto deserves this. my god it;s been forever since my city had anything

 
Bautista has a decent case for best Blue Jay ever. In career WAR with Jays he (34.2) trails Tony Fernandez (35.1) and Carlos Delgado (34.7). In offensive stats, he only really trails Delgado. More HR's than anyone in ball since 2010

I've always gone with Alomar for being the best at his position for most of his time in Toronto but Bautista has 6 straight all star appearances and tonight's home run isn't far off the iconic Alomar home run off Eckersley. If this team wins a couple more series, I think you can make a pretty strong argument. Or I may be drunk.

 
I'm not sure if people outside of the city realize how big this win is for Toronto. In the last 11 years we've seen the Raptors make the playoffs only 4 times, never getting past the first round (most recently getting swept by the Wizards), the Leafs make the playoffs exactly once (even tho half the teams make it, for f's sake), and during that one lose game 7 of the first round with a humiliatingly bad choke job, and the Jays be completely irrelevant.

Just this past Sunday, as I was watching game 3, I started thinking to myself "Self, why do you bother with sports any more. Nothing ever works out, and all you ever end up with is disappointment. Maybe it is time to quit sports for good."

And then today happened. It was a wild emotional rollercoaster, but the Jays came out on top. We finally won something. And I don't care if we lose the next series, it just feels so good to be a fan now.

 
I hate that every home game is on a ####### weekday. This series, next series and the world series if they get there. Blows for being 90 minutes away (in good traffic) and trying to get to games.

 
Stromans dad has the biggest pipes ever, and Pillar over achieved in the wife department.

And Osuna is the ####!

 
Gibbons on the fan this morning saying they'll "check on" Price before they set the playoff rotation. I really think we'll find out (after the playoffs) that he's been injured.

Just too much smoke - skipped start at the end of the year, looking for extra rest last series and again now...

Sounds like Estrada most likely for game 1. I'm fine with whatever, I like these 4 SPs and Gibby has shown he'll go with whoever he thinks is best to get it done.

 
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