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Official ** KODI ** streaming thread (tips, help, add ons, etc) (3 Viewers)

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Best I can see is that the law has not yet caught up to the practice.

The Associated Press v. Meltwater case, in which daily headlines and bits of newspaper stories on Meltwater had links to the full online articles from the Associated Press as well as others, which made unauthorized copyrighted content available to viewers for free, had two different outcomes in the U.S. and U.K.[8]  While the U.S. focused on Meltwater as the host of infringing content, the European courts ruled that “users who see content online, without actually willingly making a copy of it, should not be held accountable for any resulting copyright infringement.”[9]  Jim Gibson, director of the Intellectual Property Institute at the University of Richmond law school in an article with Business Insider, furthered this concept explaining, “when the user downloads even part of a file—called ‘pseudo-streaming’— it counts as a copy of copyrighted material, which is illegal. And when the user streams content as a ‘public performance’—namely, when it’s shown to a substantial number of people […] it also constitutes a copyright violation.  Outside of these cases, accessing unlicensed streamed content is generally legal.”[10]

On the other hand, the government has been pushing Congress to make online streaming a felony and wants to shift blame to the viewers, declaring, “downloading a copy of the movie ‘Captain America’ illegally is a felony, but if you were to simply stream the same movie illegally it would only be a misdemeanor,’ [Congressman] Nadler [Democrat, New York] said. ‘Does this distinction make sense?”[11] Deputy Assistant Attorney General David Bitkower explained the significance of streaming viewers by pointing to the Megaupload.com case, in which over 150 million registered users (and 50 million daily visitors) would access reproduced and distributed copies of unauthorized content accounting for as much as 4% of all Internet traffic. [12]  Arguing that viewers also have a role in illegal stream watching, the Department of Justice explained that the amount of bandwidth devoted to copyright-infringing video streaming grew by 470% in a two year span beginning in 2010.[13]
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tangfoot said:
“So while we don’t love this use of Kodi, as long as you know what illegal and potentially dangerous things you are getting yourself into and accept the fact that the Team will not be providing you with any support, then you are welcome to do what you like.”
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Yes, and the illegal act (as defined by the law, as I understand it) is the ownership or downloading of that copyright content.  The streaming of it (which is what we're talking about here) isn't illegal.

 
tangfoot said:
“So while we don’t love this use of Kodi, as long as you know what illegal and potentially dangerous things you are getting yourself into and accept the fact that the Team will not be providing you with any support, then you are welcome to do what you like.”
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I don't say this to be mean spirited but your reading comprehension is lacking. That doesn't say anything about watching streamed content being illegal.

 
:rolleyes: Pseudo-streaming 

As far as I know Kodi does not use any form of pseudo streaming.  It's true-streaming which means if you loose your internet connection you are going to loose the stream and playback.

 
tonydead said:
A few of things:

1) There isn't any case law at all, not one single person, that has been prosecuted for watching a stream of copyrighted material.  (I'd challenge that person, or anyone to show me different.) Until the first case is even heard I have a hard time saying that it is even illegal.  Until a case is brought to court to test the copyright laws there just isn't any precedent for it.  It would be extremely difficult to make a case for copyright infringement if you never take possession of anything.  What physical evidence is there that proves you have a copy of something without paying for it?  All that and it happens all the time.  For example you can listen to any song you choose just by typing the song title into Youtube.  

2) Because of #1 I don't even use a VPN most of the time for Kodi.  As long as you don't use Kodi to download something (which Kodi is capable of) you never take possession of it.  There is no doubt that the website servers that stream content are in possession of copyrighted material, and they are the target of law enforcement, but once it's broadcast across the internet there isn't anything keeping anyone from seeing or hearing it.

3) What a VPN does.  Two things: i) it uses a remote private network in a remote location that makes it appear that your information moving across the web is coming from that location.  ii) it scrambles that data at each end such that anyone looking at it won't be able to tell what the information is.  If you are using bit torrent, downloading and taking possession of a copy of say a movie your are committing copyright infringement.  People have been prosecuted for this and there is case law that has been established making it illegal.  Not only is it recommended but pretty much required now days that you use a VPN to mask your location (IP address, where and who you are) but it also scrambles that data so normal people wont be able to tell you are downloading a movie.

4) The FBI.  The NSA for sure and most likely the FBI, CIA etc. have the technology to decrypt VPN encoding.  The reason it is recommend that you still use a VPN for torrenting is because the FBI isn't looking for you.  You are much too small a fish, think the Youtube example above.  The people who get in trouble for torrenting are reported and sometimes prosecuted by the MPAA and RIAA.  The MPAA and RIAA are normal people and do not have that technology.  All they do is sit on bit torrent streams and write down people's IP addresses that are leeching the seed.  Occasionally, in the past, they tried to prosecute some unfortunate people.  However, until just last Tuesday they had made agreements with internet service providers (whom they would have to subpoena to release IP information for each case) that they would report the IP numbers to them and then the internet service providers would send them threatening letters, up to 6 times before the internet service providers would throttle the internet speed and/or threaten to discontinue their service.  Note: Going to court and being charged became a thing of the past.  That agreement expired on Tuesday February 7th, 2017.  It's still remains to be seen what the MPAA and RIAA are going to do, but, most people believe the individual down loaders are going to be left alone while they continue to focus on the websites.  Possibly another agreement with the internet service providers.
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Thanks for all of the info. I love coming to the FFA and learning things like this. You've been a great help. 

 
In The Zone said:
@tonydead

I'm on another message board and the discussion was about using Kodi and people worried about getting busted by the feds. I suggested using a VPN and individual pretty much, in a sarcastic and high almighty way, inferred that a VPN wouldn't do jack. Here is a copy and paste from his response:

Is that supposed to be some magical 'process' to absolve your anonymity on the internet? 

A VPN isn't going to protect you if the FBI comes looking. If you own that VPN and are using it to do something they deem illegal, it only adds another hop in their overall research.

If you are using someone else's VPN, once that owner is faced with charges.... they will give you up worst than Jordon Belfort.

If you are paying a legit company to use their VPN, I guarantee the agreement you have to sign to use their services makes sure you acknowledge that illegal activity with be reported.

I'm not nearly knowledgeable enough to debate back and forth with this guy. Is he correct? I was under the impression from this thread that a VPN would protect you from things like this. I was also under the impression that the Feds would go after the people putting the content out there to stream. Any answers would be appreciated. 

Thanks.
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I forgot to address on thing:  A good VPN company wont report illegal things because they wouldn't be looking at your data either, which would be part of the terms and service.  A good company also routinely deletes any records stored on their servers about you and your use of the VPN.  If the VPN company is in America they would have to turn over names and credit card info they have on you if served for some reason, where as a company outside the US wouldn't.  But, if they are diligent on cleaning their servers there wouldn't be much more info left other than your name and credit card info. 

Super paranoid people that are afraid of even credit card anonymity, and make no mistake they know when and what you use your credit card for, you can use gift cards you buy with cash at Walmart to sign up for services like a VPN.  ETA: or Bitcoin

 
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okay so looking for a little help

I want to add my LAN ftp as a source for kodi. i want to login from kodi to my ftp and download zips. example titanium or something. when i connect with kodi it jjust starts going crazy on the ftp and downloading everything

 
tonydead said:
If you're wanting to install Kodi 17 just delete the Kodi 16 app from the fire tv first then reinstall.

If you're wanting to install a new/different build you can just "fresh start" Kodi first.  You can find the option to do that under maintenance in Titanium.
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Ok, so talk to me like I'm a dunce.I can't seem to follow along with what you guys are talking about.

I'm running 16.1. installed a year ago. Seems to be working fine but I want to update to the latest build to stay somewhat current. How do I :

1. Delete what ever install I have and install the latest version? I don't think I'm running titanium, but I don't know how to tell. I think it's "Fusion". Is one better than the other?

2. The "Skin" (at least that's what I'm perceiving it is) is the "TV ADDONS CUSTO TVMC EDITION" With the blue outer space and planet. If  this isn't it, what is the "Skin"

3. Where do i set up any kind of maintenance schedule to do auto updates. clear cache, etc.

4. I Exodus when I click on Channels, I get a bunch of SKYs ( Showcase, SKY Disney, ) etc a couple FILM4 and a couple TCM. What are these How do I add or delete channels?

5. Can I set up more than one TRAKT Account?

6. How do I install more Add Ons like the 123 movies, channel 1, etc ?

Probably have more questions but that's all I can think of for now

TIA

 
simsarge said:
Ok, so talk to me like I'm a dunce.I can't seem to follow along with what you guys are talking about.

I'm running 16.1. installed a year ago. Seems to be working fine but I want to update to the latest build to stay somewhat current. How do I :

1. Delete what ever install I have and install the latest version? I don't think I'm running titanium, but I don't know how to tell. I think it's "Fusion". Is one better than the other?

2. The "Skin" (at least that's what I'm perceiving it is) is the "TV ADDONS CUSTO TVMC EDITION" With the blue outer space and planet. If  this isn't it, what is the "Skin"

3. Where do i set up any kind of maintenance schedule to do auto updates. clear cache, etc.

4. I Exodus when I click on Channels, I get a bunch of SKYs ( Showcase, SKY Disney, ) etc a couple FILM4 and a couple TCM. What are these How do I add or delete channels?

5. Can I set up more than one TRAKT Account?

6. How do I install more Add Ons like the 123 movies, channel 1, etc ?

Probably have more questions but that's all I can think of for now

TIA
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1- Fresh start, that removes the current build and installed apps to a clean install of kodi, before you install a new build. You'll find it under the programs section of you have fusion installed. 

2- You are describing as skin that was included with the tv add-on build you have installed. 

3- Most builds has a maintenance e tab for those tools. I can't remember where it is in fusion, search around and you'll find it.

4- I don't watch channels in Exodus, Exodus is best of recorded tv shows and movies, search those sections. 

5- I don't use trackt. 

6-  You find the repo they are in, download that zip file and install from zip. 

 
Today when I opened Kodi, all the pron channels seemed to load. Now they are all viewed under "add-ons" without switching profiles.

Normal?? Doesn't make it very family friendly.

 
Payne said:
Today when I opened Kodi, all the pron channels seemed to load. Now they are all viewed under "add-ons" without switching profiles.

Normal?? Doesn't make it very family friendly.
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I guess it depends on the family, :shrug: j/k.  I have installed it a few times lately and have not noticed it or seen any difference when navigating but it was not something I was looking for.

 
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Payne said:
Today when I opened Kodi, all the pron channels seemed to load. Now they are all viewed under "add-ons" without switching profiles.

Normal?? Doesn't make it very family friendly.
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I know in krypton kodi 17 you can disable add-ons per profile

 
[icon] said:
For those who are concerned about less savvy family members using Kodi, I suggest loading the 3-4 primary Apps/Channels to the homescreen via Shortcuts. Cuts out a measurable layer of navigation for the tech-challenged :thumbup:

Doing this on a Fire Stick I'm making for the GF's sister's family who are pretty tech illiterate. 
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even better is you can decompile the kodi apk and add all the addons through there. so all you need to do is sideload the apk and you're done. firesticks done in 10-15 mins

 
VA703 said:
even better is you can decompile the kodi apk and add all the addons through there. so all you need to do is sideload the apk and you're done. firesticks done in 10-15 mins
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Link to instructions on this, please? I've got to load 2-3 sticks this week and was looking for the easiest method to get a basic install on there. 

 
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Link to instructions on this, please? I've got to load 2-3 sticks this week and was looking for the easiest method to get a basic install on there. 
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no link really. are you using windows? I can give pretty good instructions

 
Do any of you use a box? I have an MBOX and use the Deadpoo build. Also, I have all the add-ons listed in the thread so far. Is there any reason to keep the Navi-X add on active?

 
tonydead said:
:rolleyes: Pseudo-streaming 

As far as I know Kodi does not use any form of pseudo streaming.  It's true-streaming which means if you loose your internet connection you are going to loose the stream and playback.
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Not sure about this.  I've got kodi on a raspberry pi 3 (but this should be the same on anything).  Start watching something.  Pause it.  disconnect internet.  hit play.  you'll get a minute or two of whatever you were watching to continue to play. 

 
while we are talking about the legality of the streams. how about the people selling the boxes all over the internet?

 
Just went to Best Buy and picked up two fire sticks supervisor there said limit two per customer because people are jail breaking them and that they are flagging people cause according to her it's illegal

 
VA703 said:
Just went to Best Buy and picked up two fire sticks supervisor there said limit two per customer because people are jail breaking them and that they are flagging people cause according to her it's illegal
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Ask her what's illegal about it.  Crap like this is why it's Amazon for me....

 
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VA703 said:
Just went to Best Buy and picked up two fire sticks supervisor there said limit two per customer because people are jail breaking them and that they are flagging people cause according to her it's illegal
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First they take away our ability to buy unlimited sudafed to cook meth and now this.  

 
Best Buy supervisor by day

copywrite lawyer by night?

was just completely random she even said that. Add in the whole flagging people

 
tonydead said:
I forgot to address on thing:  A good VPN company wont report illegal things because they wouldn't be looking at your data either, which would be part of the terms and service.  A good company also routinely deletes any records stored on their servers about you and your use of the VPN.
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The VPN service many of us use (Private Internet Access) does not need to delete anything in regards to internet access because by practice they do not store any logs of internet traffic through their servers.  

 
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Fat Nick said:
Can anyone recommend a VPN that actually maintains a decent connection speed?

I tried PIA, and it was fine except at night, when speeds on my normally 30 MB/s internet dropped to 10 MB/s when I was on VPN.  Given I do most of my watching at night, that's obviously unacceptable.  Any suggestions?
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That is very strange.  I keep PIA on 24/7 and my speeds at night routinely stay above 50MB/s.

Did you try a different server to connect to?

 
VA703 said:
Best Buy supervisor by day

copywrite lawyer by night?

was just completely random she even said that. Add in the whole flagging people
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Amazon has Ben limiting the sales for a while.  The only reason Best Buy would do it is because of corporate pressure from Amazon. Not shocking managers are being told a BS reason. 

 
VA703 said:
I know in krypton kodi 17 you can disable add-ons per profile
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I used your instructions to get Titanium on my fire stick. That is what you recommended. Have you and others moved on?

Or is the kodi update separate from a Titanium update?? Still learning this stuff.

Thanks again!

 
Payne said:
I used your instructions to get Titanium on my fire stick. That is what you recommended. Have you and others moved on?

Or is the kodi update separate from a Titanium update?? Still learning this stuff.

Thanks again!
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I'm still using titanium Jarvis

 
VA703 said:
Just went to Best Buy and picked up two fire sticks supervisor there said limit two per customer because people are jail breaking them and that they are flagging people cause according to her it's illegal
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So when you buy something from Best Buy, they "flag" your credit card purchase, then some CIA fella figures out which internet provider you're using, then they scan your history to see if you've downloaded any streaming content?  Seems like quite the process.

 
Deepster said:
So when you buy something from Best Buy, they "flag" your credit card purchase, then some CIA fella figures out which internet provider you're using, then they scan your history to see if you've downloaded any streaming content?  Seems like quite the process.
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Those pros on the CBS-show HUNTED are good a what they do.  :shrug:

 
Payne said:
I used your instructions to get Titanium on my fire stick. That is what you recommended. Have you and others moved on?

Or is the kodi update separate from a Titanium update?? Still learning this stuff.

Thanks again!
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Can someone show me the post for this? Just got a new FS

thx

 
NewlyRetired said:
That is very strange.  I keep PIA on 24/7 and my speeds at night routinely stay above 50MB/s.

Did you try a different server to connect to?
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No - I'm connected via my router.  As per the tech support guy, that's the "slowest" way to connect.  He recommended connecting through each device.  I have a fire stick, and just haven't had the time to look into how to have the fire stick connect to the VPN on it's own.  setting up the router to have everything run through there was the easiest way I found for now.

I need to find out how to get functionality to use the VPN on the Firestick.

ETA: I've been using the New York server...Maybe I should try another one (based in Central NJ)

 
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Fat Nick said:
No - I'm connected via my router.  As per the tech support guy, that's the "slowest" way to connect.  He recommended connecting through each device.  I have a fire stick, and just haven't had the time to look into how to have the fire stick connect to the VPN on it's own.  setting up the router to have everything run through there was the easiest way I found for now.

I need to find out how to get functionality to use the VPN on the Firestick.

ETA: I've been using the New York server...Maybe I should try another one (based in Central NJ)
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ahh, that is something I have not tried (connecting via the router).  We just run the VPN on the individual devices.  I am surprised it makes that much of a speed difference, that is good to know.

 
NewlyRetired said:
ahh, that is something I have not tried (connecting via the router).  We just run the VPN on the individual devices.  I am surprised it makes that much of a speed difference, that is good to know.
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Any tips on how to get the VPN to run specifically for KODI on a streaming device?  I have a fire stick.

 
Installed Kodi,Indigo & Exodus on my new 2nd gen Firestick (I also have a 1st gen). Installation was fast & easy. When I search for anything I see the selection I'm looking for, but when I try and stream anything (TV or Movies) I get "No stream Available". I did a Refresh. Same results. I uninstalled and reinstalled everything. Same results.Tried a different build. Same results.

I thought it was my internet connection, but everything connected to my wifi is fine.

My 1 1/2 year old 1st gen stick works fine tho. Any ideas?

 
simsarge said:
Installed Kodi,Indigo & Exodus on my new 2nd gen Firestick (I also have a 1st gen). Installation was fast & easy. When I search for anything I see the selection I'm looking for, but when I try and stream anything (TV or Movies) I get "No stream Available". I did a Refresh. Same results. I uninstalled and reinstalled everything. Same results.Tried a different build. Same results.

I thought it was my internet connection, but everything connected to my wifi is fine.

My 1 1/2 year old 1st gen stick works fine tho. Any ideas?
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I get that every now and then for really new movies.  I just thought it was for movies with limited streaming options.  Does it do this even for stuff that's out of theaters that should clearly have a source available?

 
Fat Nick said:
I get that every now and then for really new movies.  I just thought it was for movies with limited streaming options.  Does it do this even for stuff that's out of theaters that should clearly have a source available?
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That was my first thought. But it's everything. Movies from years ago, TV shows, etc. I can do everything I've always been able to with my old one, but not the new one. I can download different builds, etc but no shows. I even deleted and reinstalled Kodi, but the same results.

I wonder if there's some kind of block built into the new Fire Stick  :shrug:

 
I managed to install Kodi on my laptop, but can Kodi be installed on FireTV? Any easy instructions online (haven't been able to find any).

 
matttyl said:
I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as Tony on these things, but I never really thought that a VPN would help either, if the right folks were looking.  The VPN would help show, for instance, the NFL website that you're "not in the US" for their game streaming packages and such.  And probably makes you harder to find for the majority of folks....but I don't think it would be much of a hindrance if "the right folks" were looking.
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It can be if the right VPN is used, there are some VPNs that don't keep logs. That's the kind of VPN you're looking for....or so I'm told :oldunsure:

 
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