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I like it too. And the more I think about it, Widmore set up the concert and wanted it to happen - he wants his boy to progress into adulthood. Eloise wanted to stop the concert, because she didn't want her little boy to grow up. I'd be curious to find out if Widmore moved on or not. Does he get his redemption when he listens to Jacob at the end and brings Desmond to the island?
Yes, The Wire is probably the greatest TV show ever and fits the bill. Never saw the Sheild or Six Feet under. Did they have a "mythology," loosely meaning their own world with its own rules. Sopranos tied up better than Lost? West Wing had no mythology. Mad Men hasn't answered lots of key questions, but it's still below the 4 season milestone.OK. No more thread digression. Sorry 'bout that.
i took this as "its not his time to go" (die)
Absolutely, that's what she was saying. I completely agree. But the metaphorical part of dad wanting his son to grow up while mom wants him to stay a little boy forever is still there, just like the metaphorical part of Jack's father thinking he couldn't do anything right. He couldn't even bring his father home for the funeral without feeling like his father was there, watching him, and he failed. Then for him to go through everything the island wanted, protect it, and save the world, and find out that his father had seen it all? That was how his perfect sideways ending happened. Similarly, Farraday's piano recital was really just his chance for his parents to have an event that was just for him, to watch him perform, and to be proud of him before he moved on.
You can't really judge these other shows to Lost. They are completely different. It should be compared to other sci-fi/mystery type shows (Heroes, Flashforward, Fringe, V etc.) The premise of a show like Mad Men is not nearly as complex as Lost. I love Mad Men but its a hell of a lot easier tying up loose ends for that show than it is for Lost. Lost was a unique cat.Edit: Shukster is spot on with his explanations.
Which is why the writers opted for the fairy tale ending where everyone ends up happily ever after in heaven. If they ended it just with whatever happened on the island people weren't going to be satisfied with all the loose ends. Ending it with them going to heaven renders the discussion of the mythology essentially pointless.
Versus a smoke monster on an island with a plug keeping the world from being destroyed...
Yeah. The Jacob character is pretty poorly written.Handsome devil though.
I like the idea that the island wasn't a real place even though what happened to the characters on it did. Perhaps they were all dead and they were "reborn" on the island after a crash by god to in order to test if they were ready for heaven. When they all "died" on the island they went to the Purgatory to meet again before going to heaven.
This is where I was. I watched it again online this morning. I actually liked it better the second time around as I had lowered my expectations and just enjoyed it for what it was. Still don't love it, but it's okay.
Why would you meet up with people in purgatory that you had no connection to in actual life?
Juliet was just seeing her afterlife conversation with Sawyer, I believe when she said it worked she was talking about the vending machine. We as the audience took it to mean the bomb. The bomb had no real effect other than zapping them back to island present.
Which is another example of how those that didn't like where the series went, who keep going on and on about "piss poor writing" are wrong.
What is "actual life"? If you experienced it then it happened.
Those characters were all "dead"...yet none of them had met before this plane.That is the point...if the crash was this awakening...and they were all already dead...why would you be connecting with people you only met during your awakening?They had seemingly not known each other prior to this.Desmond and Penny and Juliet would not have known these people if it were not for actually living on the island.Read life would be everything up until the moment of the crash or getting on that plane.Prior to that...Hurley did not know Jack who did not know Kate who did not know Sawyer and so on.
My take on the effect of the bomb as well. Also, as I mentioned what is probably several pages back by now, I think the bomb going off in the last scene of Season 5, coupled with the opening shot of the island underwater in Season 6, was a device used by the writers to get viewers believing that the bomb sunk the island and the Sideways World was a real place. I think the bomb's functional purpose was to zap them back to the present, and its narrative purpose was to help disguise the true nature of the Sideways World.
Sometimes I wonder if some of you guys were watching the same show the rest of us were.
Wow.
Did Jacob say he brought Dharma to the island? Maybe he did, but then realized they were a threat to the light so had Richard convince Ben to kill them.
Do we know if Richard ever saw Jacob after the scene he was annointed? Maybe Richard was acting on what he thought Jacob wanted.
Half hour island sitcom with Hurley, & Ben.
If they can work in Miles, I'll watch.
This guy bores me.
West Wing "built an entire complex mythology"? The only other shows I can think of that were on par with Lost in terms of the mysteries were Twin Peaks and X-Files. I hightly doubt anyone would say either of those finales tied everything together cleanly and didn't have any unanswered questions. When you commit to a show like this, you are giving up the right to have all the answers spoon fed to you in the end.
You're not exactly Entertainment Weekly's target audience.
I thought the "Twin Peaks" finale was awful although it had a memorable final shot. "The X-Files" finale was better than anything else that aired in the eighth and ninth seasons but that's faint praise because those two seasons were pure crap (especially the ninth). It was nowhere near as good as anything that aired in the first seven seasons in my opinion.
Excellent work BFred, really good stuff.
It seems as though people think he's the unofficial authority on Lost. I'm failing to see why this is.
Why would need to have known people in real life to connect with people in the afterlife? If the island was created so that the characters could redeem themselves then they could conceivably experience a second life (the island) where they could overcome all of their demons.
You just blew my ####### mind. Seriously. Mind. Blown.
I can't even remember the X-Files finale, but I disagree with you about the Twin Peaks finale. From the time the killer was revealed through the finale? Yes, I would say 98% crap, but the finale was beautiful. Still get chills when I watch the part with Little Jimmy Scott singing Sycamore Trees. The whole Black Lodge part is awe-inspiringly beautiful..............to me at least.
I'm 100% positive she told him "it worked".
Yes and no. She told Sawyer at the beginning when he first got down to her that it didn't work. She later said right before she died that she had something important to tell him, but she died before saying it. This was right after she had the same conversation that would later be had at the vending machine (coffee, go dutch, etc).
Sometimes it sucks to be so smart.
That about sums it up.
It was awesome.
