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**** OFFICIAL **** LOST - The TV Series (2 Viewers)
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SuperJohn96
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Maybe cuz the episode ran long people missed it?I saw it, and my first guess it was the boat Michael demanded from the Others in exchange for the foursome he was bringing.
oso diablo
Footballguy
go to the bottom of this page, and enter "boat" in the Search Topic area. You'll find what you're looking for (shortcut: posts 7271 and 7272).
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kupcho1
Footballguy
OK, maybe you're right. It's been a while since I read the Third Policeman (1/2 a year or so) so maybe you can point out some of the other similarities. For example, I don't remember anything like Cerberus (dog or system). What similarities did you see between LOST and your reading of The Third Policeman?
stonegossard
Footballguy
So I re-watched the last episode yesterday on Tivo and had some thoughts on the Others.
What is the deal with their living conditions? We saw them in the medical facility and Zeke was clean-shaven and they had apparent costumes to make them look dirty. You see Zeke catching Michael and in the Others' camp and he doesn't look as dirty as when he talks with Jack, etc. in the woods. But then the other hatches are abandoned and we now see the Others living in camps not much better than the survivors of 815. I have been going back and forth as to whether they are a part of Dharma, militants/rejects from Dharma, or something else.
So are they faking the "camping/surviving" lifestyle?
Are they now roughing it because they got the boot from Dharma after the medical hatch incident with claire?
Obviously Dharma is still present or else the food drops wouldn't keep coming. But if the food drop was for Zeke wouldn't he be upset that Jack,etc. took their food/supplies? This issue hasn't come up yet although you would think it would. I keep thinking that there are three groups. Dharma, Others, 815 Survivors. (plus I guess Rousseau/Desmond) It's almost like Dharma is the puppetmaster playing the Others and the survivor's against each other.
The most frustrating part of this season has been how in each of the encounters with the Others, NO ONE has ever asked who they are or why they are doing what they are doing? Wouldn't this be the logical topic of conversation? Like, "hey Zeke, why do you hate us and how did you get here?" or "Hey Ms. Clue, why did you want Walt and who are you people anyways?"
What is the deal with their living conditions? We saw them in the medical facility and Zeke was clean-shaven and they had apparent costumes to make them look dirty. You see Zeke catching Michael and in the Others' camp and he doesn't look as dirty as when he talks with Jack, etc. in the woods. But then the other hatches are abandoned and we now see the Others living in camps not much better than the survivors of 815. I have been going back and forth as to whether they are a part of Dharma, militants/rejects from Dharma, or something else.
So are they faking the "camping/surviving" lifestyle?
Are they now roughing it because they got the boot from Dharma after the medical hatch incident with claire?
Obviously Dharma is still present or else the food drops wouldn't keep coming. But if the food drop was for Zeke wouldn't he be upset that Jack,etc. took their food/supplies? This issue hasn't come up yet although you would think it would. I keep thinking that there are three groups. Dharma, Others, 815 Survivors. (plus I guess Rousseau/Desmond) It's almost like Dharma is the puppetmaster playing the Others and the survivor's against each other.
The most frustrating part of this season has been how in each of the encounters with the Others, NO ONE has ever asked who they are or why they are doing what they are doing? Wouldn't this be the logical topic of conversation? Like, "hey Zeke, why do you hate us and how did you get here?" or "Hey Ms. Clue, why did you want Walt and who are you people anyways?"
Buckychudd
Footballguy
Between the fake beards, their groomed appearance in the medical hatch, and Walt's warning.....I think that has been pretty well established.
Buckychudd
Footballguy
Yep, Alex is the losties "in" with the others. Gives hope that Walt will never truly shift loyalties as well.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
You're not the only person to say this, just the last one I've seen.Why would the Others send Michael a boat before he delivered on his promise? There are approximately 35+ other survivors who'd love to jump on board that boat if it mysteriously appears at their beach. Michael doesn't have a hope in hell of trying to claim that boat for himself with that many other people wanting to get on it.
My first guess was/is, this is the reappearance of Desmond. He tried to get off the island, and he's back after a few days, just like Michael, Sawyer and Jin were after trying to leave on the raft. Where he got the boat, God knows, but that's my theory.
That is the prevailing theory. I think that is where Desmond went when he ran and he got on the boat and maybe like the blown up raft, it came back to the island. It wouldn't surprise me if Desmond had very few supplies and maybe passed out on the boat. It wouldn't be surprising in the least if they pull Desmond out of the boat.
kupcho1
Footballguy
I think it is Desmond's round-the-world sailboat as well. Moreover, here's a few random thoughts I had after watching "3 Minutes":1. Desmond is on the sailboat Sun sees at the funeral. After he ran off, he prepped it and was going to sail away from the island but he has now succumbed to the "sickness" - that's why it appears the boat is just drifting in. Remember, he had been injecting himself with the vaccine and I don't believe he took any when he ran out (am I remembering this correctly?). Perhaps once you are on the vaccine and then go off of it, you are far more vulnerable than if you've never been on it.
? Maybe. BTW, I think this will be a Desmond flashback as he's on his deathbed with the sickness (50/50 as to whether he recovers to be part of Season 3. I'm leaning slightly toward no recovery as I think the flashback will provide all the Desmond info we'll need to move forward.) But if that's the case...2. What happens to Aaron when that limited supply of vaccine Charlie provided runs out? Or is it any good now to begin with? Remember, everything Charlie does, nothing seems to turn out right. It would be so like this show to have him perform an act of kindness that ends up causing major problems (particularly since Claire seems to be warming to him again).
3. Back to the boat. Recall Sayid saying that they needed to think of an advantage against the others as Michael leads them into the trap. Might be a little farfetched to think that they can sneak up on them from the sea in a sailboat, but maybe if they do it at night?
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Absolutely, we have seen a couple times now where she has shown that her allegiance to the Others is not there.It also shows us that there are probably a ton of these Others that are doing what their told, probably out of fear, rather than being in a cult/being brainwashed, i.e. Michael is still Michael (stupid and irrational) and Walt is still Walt. Even Henry, when I think he stopped lying - he said he was done lying, was probably being truthful when he said that he would be killed for not doing his job correctly. Maybe he was still lying, but it seems like until "Him" is dealt with somehow, the Others will keep doing what they are told to do.
Although I was quite a bit sarcastic above, there are lots of strange books with weird stuff. I would think at this point, any direct correlation between that book and this show would have been seen by now. I have not read the book only summarizations, and I saw nothing in the book that looked even remotely similar.
Dash
Road Monkey
Not blowing a hole in your theory, but Desmond took some of the vaccine with him when he left the hatch.I think it is Desmond's round-the-world sailboat as well. Moreover, here's a few random thoughts I had after watching "3 Minutes":1. Desmond is on the sailboat Sun sees at the funeral. After he ran off, he prepped it and was going to sail away from the island but he has now succumbed to the "sickness" - that's why it appears the boat is just drifting in. Remember, he had been injecting himself with the vaccine and I don't believe he took any when he ran out (am I remembering this correctly?). Perhaps once you are on the vaccine and then go off of it, you are far more vulnerable than if you've never been on it.
You are correct. Since we still don't know the exact origin of the Others, it is probably folks like Henry that are more followers of or believers in Him versus Alex who got kidnapped (not sure what age, did they tell us?) who are more servants who don't believe in what they are told to do.
Brewdude
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Surprised this is the first time that scene has been mentioned. Charlie injected himself with it and Claire was hesitant about it. My guess is that Charlie will have a reaction and Claire won't use it.The air gun and vaccine will come into play later though, IMO. I'm pretty sure Desmond grabbed some on his way out.
Regarding the boat, Desmond was there because his boat crashed. I was looking, and didn't see, any damage on the boat at the end of the last episode.
What is this "key with a dharma logo" people have mentioned? I don't recall seeing that. I also don't recall seeing a reference to the "monster" in the previews. Is there a copy online anywhere?
kupcho1
Footballguy
No need to be polite, but I think you just blew a big hole in my Desmond's deathbed theory. At least death by sickness. He still may be incapacitated in some way since the boat did look like it was adrift.I'm sticking with my anything-Charlie-touches-turns-to-#### theory though. I think giving Claire that box of vaccine will turn out badly for Aaron.Not blowing a hole in your theory, but Desmond took some of the vaccine with him when he left the hatch.1. Desmond is on the sailboat Sun sees at the funeral. After he ran off, he prepped it and was going to sail away from the island but he has now succumbed to the "sickness" - that's why it appears the boat is just drifting in. Remember, he had been injecting himself with the vaccine and I don't believe he took any when he ran out (am I remembering this correctly?). Perhaps once you are on the vaccine and then go off of it, you are far more vulnerable than if you've never been on it.
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One similarity is that the island appears to be getting weirder and weirder the further along in the story we go. I would expect this to continue.
We are seeing tons of this all throughout the series. Hurley can't quite remember where he saw Libby then he sees his imaginary friend again. Kate seeng horses and her remembrance of her past. Eko finding the plane. Jack seeing his father. On and on. Eko seeing parts of his past in the black cloud. Its all pretty much there. I'm not saying the island is hell, but its obvious that something is causing several people to have "hellish" experiences in terms of reliving past griefs.So if its not hell, then perhaps the Cerebrus system can bring these experiences about. Or maybe there's a literal gateway to hell on the island.
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Irregardless.
I kind of like the 1 if by land, 2 if by sea, Ambush Attack idea.While Michael, Jack, Sawyer, Hurley and Kate "attack" by land, Sayid, Jin and anyone else who can fire a gun could attack from sea.
kupcho1
Footballguy
The motorboat never would have found the raft, so even if it is on constant patrol (doubtful), it won't necessarily know about it.Still a longshot that it would work. Sailboats, while quiet, are slow and visible.
That said, I still think Sayid's advantage will be the boat. It just remains to be seen how he uses it.
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
I heard somewhere that Desmond is going to be a regular character going forward.No need to be polite, but I think you just blew a big hole in my Desmond's deathbed theory. At least death by sickness. He still may be incapacitated in some way since the boat did look like it was adrift.I'm sticking with my anything-Charlie-touches-turns-to-#### theory though. I think giving Claire that box of vaccine will turn out badly for Aaron.Not blowing a hole in your theory, but Desmond took some of the vaccine with him when he left the hatch.1. Desmond is on the sailboat Sun sees at the funeral. After he ran off, he prepped it and was going to sail away from the island but he has now succumbed to the "sickness" - that's why it appears the boat is just drifting in. Remember, he had been injecting himself with the vaccine and I don't believe he took any when he ran out (am I remembering this correctly?). Perhaps once you are on the vaccine and then go off of it, you are far more vulnerable than if you've never been on it.
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
When did this happen?
Buckychudd
Footballguy
I like this theory. They don't have to sail straight into the camp. Just sail somewhere to an overland route that might not be monitored as much as those from the losties camp.
kupcho1
Footballguy
Firing guns from a rocking sailboat would ruin the element of surprise. Again, if the others are expecting Michael to walk the 4 into their camp (and likely have sentries positioned to keep an eye on them), using the sailboat to end-around the others and put a force ashore creates a nice pincer movement.I agree that if the sailboat is spotted, that surprise element goes out the window.
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Valid points. Maybe they could use the sailboat as a distraction and pick off the Others when their backs are turned.
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
What episode? Where did he get it?
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SuperJohn96
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This deserves it's own thread just to mess with people who won't get the song...LOL
Sack-Religious
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IRRC, he said he got it from the food drop.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
While I tend to agree that it is Desmond making his return, I just have a couple questions for you.Are you saying that this is/was Desmond's original sailboat? If it crashed, it presumably crashed somewhere near the Swan, as Kelvin apparently came running out to him to bring him to the Swan. Wouldn't the survivors of 815, or the Others have found it somewhere over the past 3 years? It seemed to be in pretty good shape.I think it is Desmond's round-the-world sailboat as well. Moreover, here's a few random thoughts I had after watching "3 Minutes":1. Desmond is on the sailboat Sun sees at the funeral. After he ran off, he prepped it and was going to sail away from the island but he has now succumbed to the "sickness" - that's why it appears the boat is just drifting in. Remember, he had been injecting himself with the vaccine and I don't believe he took any when he ran out (am I remembering this correctly?). Perhaps once you are on the vaccine and then go off of it, you are far more vulnerable than if you've never been on it.
If it is Desmond, I don't know where the hell he would have got the boat from, but I'm finding it hard to believe that it's his original boat. I don't think it has anything to do with the sickness, either. I think it's similar to when Michael, Jin and Sawyer tried to escape on the raft. There's something about the island that just draws you back to it.
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Guys, I got it!
It's Aragorn and the army of souls coming to save the day!
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Brewdude
Footballguy
When he was explaining to her how the air gun worked. Right after he pressed it against his leg, he said he used it earlier. She asked "how do you feel?" He said "fine, I don't feel anything" (or something along those lines).My guess is she'll be unsure and hesistate a few days, then he'll start to show some symptoms.
Or...it could be a placebo...
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
I'm not trying to be antagonistic here.So Desmond went to wherever his boat ostensibly crashed, packed up and tried to leave and is now back? Or this is Desmonds boat, that's been adrift since he crashed and Desmond will appear in some other way?
Perhaps I overstated the "drawing them back" What I believe drew M, J & S back was the current. I'm not going to get into whether DHARMA has manipulated the current
Perhaps Desmond tried to leave and was also brought back by the current/tide.
oso diablo
Footballguy
maybe Desmond ran off from the hatch, went to where his boat landed/crashed, spent these days repairing it, set it asail, and went around to the losties camp for extra help.
