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[BGP]

Well, to be a bit more serious at the moment:

What We Know About The OTHERS:

1. They are so committed to whatever cause they have that Henry Gayle was willing to die before giving up any information. Sayid was clearly going to shoot and kill his prisoner to find out the level of commitment, only averted at the last moment.

2. Assuming that Alex is indeed the daughter of the french woman, we can derive some info off of that. Alex is obviously still with the people who took her away from her mother. Not only that, but the Others have her reluctantly running operations on the island. It looks like she has been trained to use a gun as well. All of this tells us the Others suffer from an alarming staffing issue. I mean, if this really was a well-connected, well-funded group, they hire professionals to run these operations, not use the child. Coupled with the fact that the Dharma food drops are continuing, which obviously is a well-funded, well-connected endeavor, I think it would be very bizarre for the Others to equal Dharma.

At the same time, the Others know intimate details of the losties. They know Sawyer's real name. They must have outstanding intel. Or the island is a fake.

 

[Dash]

Wait a minute......

Jack saw his dad.

Hurley saw his "friend"

Kate saw the horse.

Sawyer has also seen the horse.

Has anyone else that is still alive "seen" things from their past on the Island? Not counting dream sequences.

Sayid saw Walt, or at least he told Shannon he did, but perhaps that was all Walt "appearing where he shouldn't".

I'm trying to think if anyone else has had these situations presented. Now maybe Sawyer is a stretch because he saw the horse while with Kate, but I'm starting to think there may be a connection here. Also...was there any thing else that these characters have "seen"?

I can't think of anyone else chasing something from their past in the woods. Curious that these are the four the Others want.

Anybody game for examining this issue, or should we default back to the Maytag models, birth control mysteries, and grammatical landscaping errors?

I'm taking this straight from Begging to Differ. It covers hallucinations and dreams. While not complete, its a decent list to start you off.Jack 1.5 "White Rabbit" hallucinations of his father, Christian

Claire 1.10 "Raised by Another" Claire's nightmares about her baby

Boone 1.13 "Hearts and Minds Shannon gory, killed by the Monster

Locke 1.19 "Dues Ex Machina" Locke sees a vision of the Nigerian plane, with Boone bloodied

Hurley 2.4 "Everybody Hates Hurley" Hurley sees a man in a chicken suit in a dream

Charlie 2.12 "Fire and Water" Charlie dreams about his family at Christmas when he's a boy, but with disturbing, surreal imagery

Charlie 2.12 "Fire and Water" Charlie dreams that he's part of a religious painting, with Hurley as John the Baptist, and Claire as an angel.

Hurley 2.18 "Dave" Hurley hallucinates about seeing an imaginary character from his past

Eko & Locke 2.21 "?" Eko and Locke dream that Yemi is guiding them.

 

[stbugs]

And again... it still doesn't at all explain why Michael felt like he had to kill Anna Lucia.  It doesn't appear that it was demanded by the Others, like many people theorized.

He had to free Henry, that was a stipulation from Ms. Clue.In order for Henry to escape, there would have to have been a struggle. Ana Lucia was guarding him. She had a gun. He would have killed her to escape.

Not quite. Anna had already given him the gun when he told her that he would cap Henry for her. At that point, he could have easily got Anna at gun point to give him Henry. The problem is that at that point if Anna lives (according to Michael's thoughts) then he won't be able to get the 4 survivors that Ms. Clue also asked for to come with him.

What do you mean "not quite"? Michael had to stage Henry's escape. Stop it.

I said not quite because Michael already got the gun from Anna without any issues. She said she couldn't shoot Henry, so Michael told her to give him the gun and he would shoot Henry. Then Anna gave him the combination.The "Not quite" was to your assertion of a struggle. If Ms. Clue only wanted Henry, then Anna wouldn't have had to die.

That's all, no "Stop it" needed. You are getting a little sensitive lately. Relax and enjoy. Man, that's the appreciation I get for stopping jpliver from posting that you were wrong?

 

[Mahoney]

Wait a minute......

Jack saw his dad.

Hurley saw his "friend"

Kate saw the horse.

Sawyer has also seen the horse.

Has anyone else that is still alive "seen"  things from their past on the Island?  Not counting dream sequences. 

Sayid saw Walt, or at least he told Shannon he did, but perhaps that was all Walt "appearing where he shouldn't". 

I'm trying to think if anyone else has had these situations presented.  Now maybe Sawyer is a stretch because he saw the horse while with Kate, but I'm starting to think there may be a connection here.  Also...was there any thing else that these characters have "seen"?

I can't think of anyone else chasing something from their past in the woods.  Curious that these are the four the Others want.

Anybody game for examining this issue, or should we default back to the Maytag models, birth control mysteries, and grammatical landscaping errors?

I'm taking this straight from Begging to Differ. It covers hallucinations and dreams. While not complete, its a decent list to start you off.Jack 1.5 "White Rabbit" hallucinations of his father, Christian

Claire 1.10 "Raised by Another" Claire's nightmares about her baby

Boone 1.13 "Hearts and Minds Shannon gory, killed by the Monster

Locke 1.19 "Dues Ex Machina" Locke sees a vision of the Nigerian plane, with Boone bloodied

Hurley 2.4 "Everybody Hates Hurley" Hurley sees a man in a chicken suit in a dream

Charlie 2.12 "Fire and Water" Charlie dreams about his family at Christmas when he's a boy, but with disturbing, surreal imagery

Charlie 2.12 "Fire and Water" Charlie dreams that he's part of a religious painting, with Hurley as John the Baptist, and Claire as an angel.

Hurley 2.18 "Dave" Hurley hallucinates about seeing an imaginary character from his past

Eko & Locke 2.21 "?" Eko and Locke dream that Yemi is guiding them.

Nice pull, and all of those example are of dreams with the exception of Jack and Hurley. It doesn't mention the black horse from Kate's past that her and Sawyer saw. Interesting.

 

[shuke]

And again... it still doesn't at all explain why Michael felt like he had to kill Anna Lucia.  It doesn't appear that it was demanded by the Others, like many people theorized.

He had to free Henry, that was a stipulation from Ms. Clue.In order for Henry to escape, there would have to have been a struggle. Ana Lucia was guarding him. She had a gun. He would have killed her to escape.

Not quite. Anna had already given him the gun when he told her that he would cap Henry for her. At that point, he could have easily got Anna at gun point to give him Henry. The problem is that at that point if Anna lives (according to Michael's thoughts) then he won't be able to get the 4 survivors that Ms. Clue also asked for to come with him.

What do you mean "not quite"? Michael had to stage Henry's escape. Stop it.

I said not quite because Michael already got the gun from Anna without any issues. She said she couldn't shoot Henry, so Michael told her to give him the gun and he would shoot Henry. Then Anna gave him the combination.The "Not quite" was to your assertion of a struggle. If Ms. Clue only wanted Henry, then Anna wouldn't have had to die.

That's all, no "Stop it" needed. You are getting a little sensitive lately. Relax and enjoy. Man, that's the appreciation I get for stopping jpliver from posting that you were wrong?

Michael had to make it look like there was a struggle between Henry and Ana Lucia.

 

[stbugs]

Wait a minute......

Jack saw his dad.

Hurley saw his "friend"

Kate saw the horse.

Sawyer has also seen the horse.

Has anyone else that is still alive "seen" things from their past on the Island? Not counting dream sequences.

Sayid saw Walt, or at least he told Shannon he did, but perhaps that was all Walt "appearing where he shouldn't".

I'm trying to think if anyone else has had these situations presented. Now maybe Sawyer is a stretch because he saw the horse while with Kate, but I'm starting to think there may be a connection here. Also...was there any thing else that these characters have "seen"?

I can't think of anyone else chasing something from their past in the woods. Curious that these are the four the Others want.

Anybody game for examining this issue, or should we default back to the Maytag models, birth control mysteries, and grammatical landscaping errors?

Absolutely, in case you haven't read this whole thread. That was one of my big theories along time ago.As for Sawyer I think the boar was part of that whole thing. I have no idea if the boar was a hallucination like Kate's horse, but remember that Sawyer heard the whispers of "It'll come around" when he was trying to find the boar. That is what the guy that Sawyer killed, who ended up not being the real Sawyer. The boar's only target was Sawyer and he ended up not killing it after he heard the whispers.

That is a case where only Sawyer would know that phrase. Again, with the whole whispers thing, I have no idea where to classify that in terms of dreams and visions.

 

[stbugs]

Michael had to make it look like there was a struggle between Henry and Ana Lucia.

I agree with you completely, it was obvious to me after last night that Michael felt he had to kill Anna. I even posted that above as well. Damn, missed the boat on that one, thought you were going somewhere else.

 

[(HULK)]

Wait a minute......

Jack saw his dad.

Hurley saw his "friend"

Kate saw the horse.

Sawyer has also seen the horse.

Has anyone else that is still alive "seen"  things from their past on the Island?  Not counting dream sequences. 

Sayid saw Walt, or at least he told Shannon he did, but perhaps that was all Walt "appearing where he shouldn't". 

I'm trying to think if anyone else has had these situations presented.  Now maybe Sawyer is a stretch because he saw the horse while with Kate, but I'm starting to think there may be a connection here.  Also...was there any thing else that these characters have "seen"?

I can't think of anyone else chasing something from their past in the woods.  Curious that these are the four the Others want.

Anybody game for examining this issue, or should we default back to the Maytag models, birth control mysteries, and grammatical landscaping errors?

I may be alone in this, but I don't feel that the horse was a halucination or vision or whatever.I just think it was a horse.

ETA: Otherwise, why isn't the polar bear a vision too?

I just think there are some animals on the island.

 

[beer 30]

Probably just a production/editing error...

From a previous episode Zeke says, "Bring her out, Alex!"

And from last night's episode: "Bring her out!"

Also, I thought Alex actually did bring Kate out when we first saw the meeting and last night she stayed to talk to Michael.

I noticed this too.I was going to go back and check my recording from the previous episode, but then I realized I had erased it.

I will have to watch this episode again but last night he said "bring her out Alex" Then Alex asked the guy to do it.

Please don't

 

[stbugs]

Wait a minute......

Jack saw his dad.

Hurley saw his "friend"

Kate saw the horse.

Sawyer has also seen the horse.

Has anyone else that is still alive "seen"  things from their past on the Island?  Not counting dream sequences. 

Sayid saw Walt, or at least he told Shannon he did, but perhaps that was all Walt "appearing where he shouldn't". 

I'm trying to think if anyone else has had these situations presented.  Now maybe Sawyer is a stretch because he saw the horse while with Kate, but I'm starting to think there may be a connection here.  Also...was there any thing else that these characters have "seen"?

I can't think of anyone else chasing something from their past in the woods.  Curious that these are the four the Others want.

Anybody game for examining this issue, or should we default back to the Maytag models, birth control mysteries, and grammatical landscaping errors?

I'm taking this straight from Begging to Differ. It covers hallucinations and dreams. While not complete, its a decent list to start you off.Jack 1.5 "White Rabbit" hallucinations of his father, Christian

Claire 1.10 "Raised by Another" Claire's nightmares about her baby

Boone 1.13 "Hearts and Minds Shannon gory, killed by the Monster

Locke 1.19 "Dues Ex Machina" Locke sees a vision of the Nigerian plane, with Boone bloodied

Hurley 2.4 "Everybody Hates Hurley" Hurley sees a man in a chicken suit in a dream

Charlie 2.12 "Fire and Water" Charlie dreams about his family at Christmas when he's a boy, but with disturbing, surreal imagery

Charlie 2.12 "Fire and Water" Charlie dreams that he's part of a religious painting, with Hurley as John the Baptist, and Claire as an angel.

Hurley 2.18 "Dave" Hurley hallucinates about seeing an imaginary character from his past

Eko & Locke 2.21 "?" Eko and Locke dream that Yemi is guiding them.

Nice pull, and all of those example are of dreams with the exception of Jack and Hurley. It doesn't mention the black horse from Kate's past that her and Sawyer saw. Interesting.

This may be way out there, but does anyone know where to find the text of the "whispers" we have heard. I remember Sawyer and the boar because it was exactly what the dying guy said.I think the ones that Sayid heard almost seemed helpful, but there was nothing on losthatch.com for the Sawyer/Boar thing, so I have no idea where to get the real text. I thought the whispers around Sayid were saying something to the affect of should we tell him or something like that.

I wonder if the whisper text would have a completely different meaning given how much more we know about the Others. Might give us a hint as to whether or not the whispers are in cahoots with the visions (which have been helpful - Jack's Dad to fresh water and Eko/Locke to find ?), the smoke monster and/or the Others.

 

[Mahoney]

Wait a minute......

Jack saw his dad.

Hurley saw his "friend"

Kate saw the horse.

Sawyer has also seen the horse.

Has anyone else that is still alive "seen"  things from their past on the Island?  Not counting dream sequences. 

Sayid saw Walt, or at least he told Shannon he did, but perhaps that was all Walt "appearing where he shouldn't". 

I'm trying to think if anyone else has had these situations presented.  Now maybe Sawyer is a stretch because he saw the horse while with Kate, but I'm starting to think there may be a connection here.  Also...was there any thing else that these characters have "seen"?

I can't think of anyone else chasing something from their past in the woods.  Curious that these are the four the Others want.

Anybody game for examining this issue, or should we default back to the Maytag models, birth control mysteries, and grammatical landscaping errors?

I may be alone in this, but I don't feel that the horse was a halucination or vision or whatever.I just think it was a horse.

ETA: Otherwise, why isn't the polar bear a vision too?

I just think there are some animals on the island.

If you recall from the Episode "What Kate Did", I believe, the horse was significant in her life. And it was the same one that she followed on the Island...or they certainly chose to frame it as such. I believe she has crossed paths twice with it. Once with, once without Sawyer.

 

[stbugs]

Wait a minute......

Jack saw his dad.

Hurley saw his "friend"

Kate saw the horse.

Sawyer has also seen the horse.

Has anyone else that is still alive "seen"  things from their past on the Island?  Not counting dream sequences. 

Sayid saw Walt, or at least he told Shannon he did, but perhaps that was all Walt "appearing where he shouldn't". 

I'm trying to think if anyone else has had these situations presented.  Now maybe Sawyer is a stretch because he saw the horse while with Kate, but I'm starting to think there may be a connection here.  Also...was there any thing else that these characters have "seen"?

I can't think of anyone else chasing something from their past in the woods.  Curious that these are the four the Others want.

Anybody game for examining this issue, or should we default back to the Maytag models, birth control mysteries, and grammatical landscaping errors?

I may be alone in this, but I don't feel that the horse was a halucination or vision or whatever.I just think it was a horse.

ETA: Otherwise, why isn't the polar bear a vision too?

I just think there are some animals on the island.

It wasn't just a horse, because it was a horse from off the island, not just a random one.I could be wrong, but I thought they had a flashback of a horse at some point. I found it:

[Edward crashes trying to avoid a black horse then Kate knocks him out and escapes then the hatch]

Edward was the marshall so it was the horse that allowed her to escape.By the way, the other "hallucination" or "vision" in that episode was when Sawyer became her step-dad, at least what Kate thought. Remember when Sawyer lunged at her and said "Why did you kill me? Why did you kill me?!"

 

[(HULK)]

Wait a minute......

Jack saw his dad.

Hurley saw his "friend"

Kate saw the horse.

Sawyer has also seen the horse.

Has anyone else that is still alive "seen"  things from their past on the Island?  Not counting dream sequences. 

Sayid saw Walt, or at least he told Shannon he did, but perhaps that was all Walt "appearing where he shouldn't". 

I'm trying to think if anyone else has had these situations presented.  Now maybe Sawyer is a stretch because he saw the horse while with Kate, but I'm starting to think there may be a connection here.  Also...was there any thing else that these characters have "seen"?

I can't think of anyone else chasing something from their past in the woods.  Curious that these are the four the Others want.

Anybody game for examining this issue, or should we default back to the Maytag models, birth control mysteries, and grammatical landscaping errors?

I may be alone in this, but I don't feel that the horse was a halucination or vision or whatever.I just think it was a horse.

ETA: Otherwise, why isn't the polar bear a vision too?

I just think there are some animals on the island.

If you recall from the Episode "What Kate Did", I believe, the horse was significant in her life. And it was the same one that she followed on the Island...or they certainly chose to frame it as such. I believe she has crossed paths twice with it. Once with, once without Sawyer.

Yup, I remember.She saw the horse in a flashback (I think it caused a car accident that facilitated her escape from justice)

She saw the horse on the island the first time and thought she was going bonkers.

She saw it a second time, with Sawyer, and realized she wasn't bonkers.

Hence, I think the horse was really on the island.

If you want hallucinations for Kate, I think a better bet would be looking into when she saw a injured/passed out Sawyer start talking like her father and try and choke her.

 

[(HULK)]

This same horse stuff has to stop.

It was a black horse that she literally saw for a split second in her past.

There is a black horse on the island.

I'm pretty sure that if she had a car accident caused by a black Honda Accord, and then found a black Honda Accord on the island, she wouldn't know if it was/wasn't the same one.

They look similar and thats all. The one she saw on the island REMINDED her of the one in the flashback.

 

[Mahoney]

Wait a minute......

Jack saw his dad.

Hurley saw his "friend"

Kate saw the horse.

Sawyer has also seen the horse.

Has anyone else that is still alive "seen"  things from their past on the Island?  Not counting dream sequences. 

Sayid saw Walt, or at least he told Shannon he did, but perhaps that was all Walt "appearing where he shouldn't". 

I'm trying to think if anyone else has had these situations presented.  Now maybe Sawyer is a stretch because he saw the horse while with Kate, but I'm starting to think there may be a connection here.  Also...was there any thing else that these characters have "seen"?

I can't think of anyone else chasing something from their past in the woods.  Curious that these are the four the Others want.

Anybody game for examining this issue, or should we default back to the Maytag models, birth control mysteries, and grammatical landscaping errors?

I may be alone in this, but I don't feel that the horse was a halucination or vision or whatever.I just think it was a horse.

ETA: Otherwise, why isn't the polar bear a vision too?

I just think there are some animals on the island.

If you recall from the Episode "What Kate Did", I believe, the horse was significant in her life. And it was the same one that she followed on the Island...or they certainly chose to frame it as such. I believe she has crossed paths twice with it. Once with, once without Sawyer.

Yup, I remember.She saw the horse in a flashback (I think it caused a car accident that facilitated her escape from justice)

She saw the horse on the island the first time and thought she was going bonkers.

She saw it a second time, with Sawyer, and realized she wasn't bonkers.

Hence, I think the horse was really on the island.

If you want hallucinations for Kate, I think a better bet would be looking into when she saw a injured/passed out Sawyer start talking like her father and try and choke her.

My only point being that where these are the 4 people the Others requested it seems a bit of a coincidence that they are the only ones that have, while awake, actually seen something from their past or something that represented a vivid enough image of something from their past that is apparently somewhat significant to them personally. Now the question is, does Sawyer have a horse story? Or did he get added on to the list because he saw the horse that was intended to be seen by Kate? This part I'm not sure about....maybe it's the boar for him, maybe it was the whisperings, but either way he is harder to peg into the formula here. I understand why you could think that horse was real. But considering nobody not on the list has seen the horse and this is one connection that seems to be there for the four people on the list, I'm sticking to the point that I think the black horse was as real as Jack's dad and Hurley's buddy.

 

[Rhino]

How are people still trying to figure out why Michael killed Ana?  Do you need every detail spelled out to you like a 5 year old?  He shot her because he saw the only opportunity to get half of his mission accomplished.  He has no relationship with her, he has been tied and bound to a stump for a week, he is losing his mind, and he wants to get Walt back.  I'm sure the fact that she is a b**** made it a little easier, but it was clear at the time and still clear now, he didn't want to do it, he was scared, and it was simply a means to his desired end.  Playing the only hand that he thinks will safely get his son back....even if he is BATSHAT CRAZY for thinking the Others will honor their promise.

Now seriously.....why are the monitor's in the Pearl Hatch not plasma flat panels?  That's stupid.

Yes you're right... it's so much more important to discuss whether someone added or deleted a word in a line spoken two months ago, or whether a dirt smudge on the wall of one hatch is the same as a coffee stain on Hurley's pants. Discussing character motivations and plot twists is SUCH a waste of time.Excuse me for not contributing to the discussions.

 

[(HULK)]

I agree that finding a connection between these 4 is a good exercise between now and Wednesday.

I just disagree that the horse was a vision.

I also disagree that these 4 are the only ones to have visions. Plenty of folks have had them, from Eko last week, to Charlie, to Claire, and so forth and so on.

These 4 probably have something in common though.

Maybe they somehow represent a threat to whatever the Others hope to accomplish, and thus they wish to remove them? That makes more sense to me.

I'm not buying that the Others sent Kate a vision of a horse, and Sawyer saw it but he wasn't intended to. Thats just too complicated.

 

[curta269]

Anybody care to give me a recap on next week's preview? I missed it last night.

How come no one is talking about the boat showing up at the end of the episode? Also, does anyone think the boat coming to the Island, and Michael wanting a boat are coincidence, or not?

Discuss.

 

[Alias]

Desmond on the boat? I didn't read the spoilers previous but I can only imagine some people know what the deal with the boat is - I don't.

 

[curta269]

Desmond on the boat? I didn't read the spoilers previous but I can only imagine some people know what the deal with the boat is - I don't.

He is in the last episode and I think he is also featured in the flashback scenes.

 

[Dr. van Nostrand]

This same horse stuff has to stop.

It was a black horse that she literally saw for a split second in her past.

There is a black horse on the island.

I'm pretty sure that if she had a car accident caused by a black Honda Accord, and then found a black Honda Accord on the island, she wouldn't know if it was/wasn't the same one.

They look similar and thats all. The one she saw on the island REMINDED her of the one in the flashback.

What Kate Did?

SAWYER: Do you know that horse, Freckles?

KATE: Yeah, I do.

PastPresent

I dont know how it could be explained from a practical standpoint, but there's a lone horse on a tropical island that happens to look identical to a horse seen earlier in the episode by the same character.

 

[Dr. van Nostrand]

Anybody notice how dirty Zeke was when speaking wth Jack in the jungle and the weird lighting that was just on his eyes, and then back at the camp he was clean...continuity error?

From what Kate found in The Staff and what Claire saw, we know the Others are capable of making themselves appear more primitive than they actually are.

 

[shuke]

Anybody notice how dirty Zeke was when speaking wth Jack in the jungle and the weird lighting that was just on his eyes, and then back at the camp he was clean...continuity error?

Are we really going to pick apart the dirtiness of each person in every scene? This is getting crazy.

 

[kupcho1]

The guy who took the blood from Michael said, "See you in the funny pages." Why does that sound familiar to me? Did someone else on the show say this before?

Similar to Desmond's line: "See you in another life."Nice lead in to Desmond's appearance next week.

Excellent episode. We need more Sayid.

 

[Punk]

Wait a minute......

Jack saw his dad.

Hurley saw his "friend"

Kate saw the horse.

Sawyer has also seen the horse.

Has anyone else that is still alive "seen"  things from their past on the Island?  Not counting dream sequences. 

Sayid saw Walt, or at least he told Shannon he did, but perhaps that was all Walt "appearing where he shouldn't". 

I'm trying to think if anyone else has had these situations presented.  Now maybe Sawyer is a stretch because he saw the horse while with Kate, but I'm starting to think there may be a connection here.  Also...was there any thing else that these characters have "seen"?

I can't think of anyone else chasing something from their past in the woods.  Curious that these are the four the Others want.

Anybody game for examining this issue, or should we default back to the Maytag models, birth control mysteries, and grammatical landscaping errors?

I'm taking this straight from Begging to Differ. It covers hallucinations and dreams. While not complete, its a decent list to start you off.Jack 1.5 "White Rabbit" hallucinations of his father, Christian

Claire 1.10 "Raised by Another" Claire's nightmares about her baby

Boone 1.13 "Hearts and Minds Shannon gory, killed by the Monster

Locke 1.19 "Dues Ex Machina" Locke sees a vision of the Nigerian plane, with Boone bloodied

Hurley 2.4 "Everybody Hates Hurley" Hurley sees a man in a chicken suit in a dream

Charlie 2.12 "Fire and Water" Charlie dreams about his family at Christmas when he's a boy, but with disturbing, surreal imagery

Charlie 2.12 "Fire and Water" Charlie dreams that he's part of a religious painting, with Hurley as John the Baptist, and Claire as an angel.

Hurley 2.18 "Dave" Hurley hallucinates about seeing an imaginary character from his past

Eko & Locke 2.21 "?" Eko and Locke dream that Yemi is guiding them.

Rose had hallucinations/dreams early on.

 

[Oaktown]

The guy who took the blood from Michael said, "See you in the funny pages." Why does that sound familiar to me? Did someone else on the show say this before?

Similar to Desmond's line: "See you in another life."Nice lead in to Desmond's appearance next week.

Excellent episode. We need more Sayid.

Man, so agreed......Sayid kicks ###

 

[stbugs]

This same horse stuff has to stop.

It was a black horse that she literally saw for a split second in her past.

There is a black horse on the island.

I'm pretty sure that if she had a car accident caused by a black Honda Accord, and then found a black Honda Accord on the island, she wouldn't know if it was/wasn't the same one.

They look similar and thats all.  The one she saw on the island REMINDED her of the one in the flashback.

What Kate Did?

SAWYER: Do you know that horse, Freckles?

KATE: Yeah, I do.

PastPresent

I dont know how it could be explained from a practical standpoint, but there's a lone horse on a tropical island that happens to look identical to a horse seen earlier in the episode by the same character.

I didn't see that line. If it was just a horse on the island and the writers were just trying to show us that the DeGroots were doing Noah's Ark, then they wouldn't have put the same exact horse into an important flashback scene for Kate.

With all of the visions/dreams/mind reading/healing/etc. that we have been shown, it amazes me that anybody would think that showing the same horse on and off the island in the same show was a coincidence.

Oh well, to each his own, but I think the paranormal angle is one of the big themes on the show.

 

[stbugs]

The guy who took the blood from Michael said, "See you in the funny pages." Why does that sound familiar to me? Did someone else on the show say this before?

Similar to Desmond's line: "See you in another life."Nice lead in to Desmond's appearance next week.

Excellent episode. We need more Sayid.

Man, so agreed......Sayid kicks ###

It will be nice to get him back to the forefront again. We have seen more of too many other meh characters than him. With Eko seemingly going a little soft, we need another ### kicker. Sawyer and Jack are cuddling a little too much lately to play that role.

 

[shuke]

One thing I don't think I've seen mentioned...

Did Locke just wander off during the funeral, or do you think he was going somewhere?

 

[BGP]

This same horse stuff has to stop.

It was a black horse that she literally saw for a split second in her past.

There is a black horse on the island.

I'm pretty sure that if she had a car accident caused by a black Honda Accord, and then found a black Honda Accord on the island, she wouldn't know if it was/wasn't the same one.

They look similar and thats all. The one she saw on the island REMINDED her of the one in the flashback.

What Kate Did?

SAWYER: Do you know that horse, Freckles?

KATE: Yeah, I do.

PastPresent

I dont know how it could be explained from a practical standpoint, but there's a lone horse on a tropical island that happens to look identical to a horse seen earlier in the episode by the same character.

I didn't see that line. If it was just a horse on the island and the writers were just trying to show us that the DeGroots were doing Noah's Ark, then they wouldn't have put the same exact horse into an important flashback scene for Kate.

With all of the visions/dreams/mind reading/healing/etc. that we have been shown, it amazes me that anybody would think that showing the same horse on and off the island in the same show was a coincidence.

Oh well, to each his own, but I think the paranormal angle is one of the big themes on the show.

I suppose one of the main themes has to with the third policeman, which offers a world where a lot of bizarre things are commonplace.

 

[ScottNorwood]

One thing I don't think I've seen mentioned...

Did Locke just wander off during the funeral, or do you think he was going somewhere?

I think in the scenes from next week it showed him out in the corner pinching a loaf. You have to freeze frame it and look very closely.

 

[BGP]

One thing I don't think I've seen mentioned...

Did Locke just wander off during the funeral, or do you think he was going somewhere?

I dunno. In a show like this, with a million little scenes, any one of them could be "the big clue" that we're supposed to get, while the rest mean nothing. I like to look for things that clearly give us solid information. I think the fact that Alex is an active part of this group tells us some things.

 

[stbugs]

I'm sticking to the point that I think the black horse was as real as Jack's dad and Hurley's buddy.

I think you have a great point that I agree with and I think people are missing.These visions/hallucinations are not just dreams or sub-conscious thoughts coming from drugs or sickness, they are someone or something on the island manipulating the thoughts of the survivors as a means to an end.

Take Jack's dad. He saw his dad right at the point where the survivors were down to their last batch of fresh water. After the chase, where does Jack's dad lead him, to the cave where there is a spring with fresh water. Seems to me like the thing that created Jack's dad was trying to keep them alive and potentially safe with the cave.

Sawyer's boar and Kate's horse/getting choked by Sawyer as her step-dad really didn't do anything helpful except bring some closure to their internal guilt and pain. Not sure if they, now that they are part of the 4 needed to be cleansed in some way? Charlie's visions almost seem the same as it ended up with Aaron getting baptised.

Eko and Locke's visions last week definitely lead them right to that hatch. Not sure why yet, but the visions were helpful (at least I think that now).

Anyway, I wish I had the whisper text again and from a reliable source since only Sawyer's was understandable, because it could lead us to figuring out which side they are on and who/what the entity is that is causing the visions. Maybe there are multiple things with different agendas causing the visions since Shannon sure didn't end up benefiting from seeing Walt and Hurley almost jumped off a cliff.

 

[stbugs]

This same horse stuff has to stop.

It was a black horse that she literally saw for a split second in her past.

There is a black horse on the island.

I'm pretty sure that if she had a car accident caused by a black Honda Accord, and then found a black Honda Accord on the island, she wouldn't know if it was/wasn't the same one.

They look similar and thats all.  The one she saw on the island REMINDED her of the one in the flashback.

What Kate Did?

SAWYER: Do you know that horse, Freckles?

KATE: Yeah, I do.

PastPresent

I dont know how it could be explained from a practical standpoint, but there's a lone horse on a tropical island that happens to look identical to a horse seen earlier in the episode by the same character.

I didn't see that line. If it was just a horse on the island and the writers were just trying to show us that the DeGroots were doing Noah's Ark, then they wouldn't have put the same exact horse into an important flashback scene for Kate.

With all of the visions/dreams/mind reading/healing/etc. that we have been shown, it amazes me that anybody would think that showing the same horse on and off the island in the same show was a coincidence.

Oh well, to each his own, but I think the paranormal angle is one of the big themes on the show.

I suppose one of the main themes has to with the third policeman, which offers a world where a lot of bizarre things are commonplace.

OK, gotta pull a shuke here.Stop it.

I read a blurb on that book and other than maybe a writer/producer putting the reference in there because they are a fan, like the Red Sox reference or Geronimo Jackson, that book is so out there, I can't see how it has any significance. Psychic ability isn't real, but it isn't even that much of a stretch to write it into a TV show versus the theory of the transfer of atoms between a man and his bicycle where people become half bike, half person.

 

[stbugs]

One thing I don't think I've seen mentioned...

Did Locke just wander off during the funeral, or do you think he was going somewhere?

Definitely going somewhere. He put his backpack on, cut off the splint (so his leg did heal abnormally fast) and went on a walk about. Eko is in place at the computer, so Locke is free again.It was only a matter of time, but his character is still in flux. The way he looked at the funeral, I still think that it is possible that he ends up on the "dark side."

 

[BGP]

This same horse stuff has to stop.

It was a black horse that she literally saw for a split second in her past.

There is a black horse on the island.

I'm pretty sure that if she had a car accident caused by a black Honda Accord, and then found a black Honda Accord on the island, she wouldn't know if it was/wasn't the same one.

They look similar and thats all. The one she saw on the island REMINDED her of the one in the flashback.

What Kate Did?

SAWYER: Do you know that horse, Freckles?

KATE: Yeah, I do.

PastPresent

I dont know how it could be explained from a practical standpoint, but there's a lone horse on a tropical island that happens to look identical to a horse seen earlier in the episode by the same character.

I didn't see that line. If it was just a horse on the island and the writers were just trying to show us that the DeGroots were doing Noah's Ark, then they wouldn't have put the same exact horse into an important flashback scene for Kate.

With all of the visions/dreams/mind reading/healing/etc. that we have been shown, it amazes me that anybody would think that showing the same horse on and off the island in the same show was a coincidence.

Oh well, to each his own, but I think the paranormal angle is one of the big themes on the show.

I suppose one of the main themes has to with the third policeman, which offers a world where a lot of bizarre things are commonplace.

OK, gotta pull a shuke here.Stop it.

I read a blurb on that book and other than maybe a writer/producer putting the reference in there because they are a fan, like the Red Sox reference or Geronimo Jackson, that book is so out there, I can't see how it has any significance. Psychic ability isn't real, but it isn't even that much of a stretch to write it into a TV show versus the theory of the transfer of atoms between a man and his bicycle where people become half bike, half person.

The Third Policeman is seen when Desmond is packing before fleeing the underground bunker in "Orientation." Craig Wright, who co-wrote the episode, told the Chicago Tribune that, "Whoever goes out and buys the book will have a lot more ammunition in their back pocket as they theorize about the show. They will have a lot more to speculate about — and, no small thing, they will have read a really great book."

To me, it sounds pretty central actually.

 

[stbugs]

One thing I don't think I've seen mentioned...

Did Locke just wander off during the funeral, or do you think he was going somewhere?

One scene he had a splint on his leg, and the next shot it was gone! Just an error, or did his leg heal?

You must have missed it, but he cut it off with his knife while the funeral was going on and then got up and walked away. Also, yes it healed just like Rose told him it would heal faster than normal because she knew he was in a wheelchair pre-crash and like her cancer, he was healed on the island.

 

[stbugs]

The Third Policeman is seen when Desmond is packing before fleeing the underground bunker in "Orientation." Craig Wright, who co-wrote the episode, told the Chicago Tribune that, "Whoever goes out and buys the book will have a lot more ammunition in their back pocket as they theorize about the show. They will have a lot more to speculate about — and, no small thing, they will have read a really great book."

To me, it sounds pretty central actually.

I like that quote better. The writer was a fan of the book. Feel free to read the whole book and give us a book report. Heck, I will be happy to salute you when you find the first real connection with that book.Have at it, in fact, I wouldn't spend another minute on anything else until you have solved the connection riddle. Posting here is wasting valuable time. Good on ya and see ya when you are done!

 

[prosopis]

Kate is hot.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Here is what is ticking me off that no one is talking about.

Why in the hell did Eko send Lockes map through the vacuum tube to the others?

There aren't really that many possibilities

1. He is a other and sent them the pearl location so they could use the tv to watch the losties on closed circuit tv(not likely)

2. He is setting a trap for the others when they come to the pearl(???)

3. He is a dipwad with a fascination of vacuum tubes and can't help but send info to unknown parties like a moth to a flame.

4. Something I haven't considered?

 

[Capella]

Here is what is ticking me off that no one is talking about.

Why in the hell did Eko send Lockes map through the vacuum tube to the others?

There aren't really that many possibilities

1. He is a other and sent them the pearl location so they could use the tv to watch the losties on closed circuit tv(not likely)

2. He is setting a trap for the others when they come to the pearl(???)

3. He is a dipwad with a fascination of vacuum tubes and can't help but send info to unknown parties like a moth to a flame.

4. Something I haven't considered?

I thought Locke sent it?

 

[MarshallPlan]

Something that intrigued me was when I believe Alex was asking Michael questions when Kate was being held hostage. Alex asked how is Claire's baby. Is it a boy or a girl? I know the others have a fascination with kids, but this was interesting to me.

 

[BGP]

The Third Policeman is seen when Desmond is packing before fleeing the underground bunker in "Orientation." Craig Wright, who co-wrote the episode, told the Chicago Tribune that, "Whoever goes out and buys the book will have a lot more ammunition in their back pocket as they theorize about the show. They will have a lot more to speculate about — and, no small thing, they will have read a really great book."

To me, it sounds pretty central actually.

I like that quote better. The writer was a fan of the book. Feel free to read the whole book and give us a book report. Heck, I will be happy to salute you when you find the first real connection with that book.Have at it, in fact, I wouldn't spend another minute on anything else until you have solved the connection riddle. Posting here is wasting valuable time. Good on ya and see ya when you are done!

I imagine the idea could be that there is something on the island (the Cerebrus system?) that somehow brings out everyone's personal demons and helps them to manifest in some way. It would possibly explain the plane that flew halfway around the world and crashed here. Cerebrus was a 3-headed dog that guarded the gates of hell. I suppose when you factor in that the woman at the airport told Eko that she saw his brother in spirit and even devilered a message for him, maybe there literally is a gateway to hell on this island.

 

[BGP]

Here is what is ticking me off that no one is talking about.

Why in the hell did Eko send Lockes map through the vacuum tube to the others?

There aren't really that many possibilities

1. He is a other and sent them the pearl location so they could use the tv to watch the losties on closed circuit tv(not likely)

2. He is setting a trap for the others when they come to the pearl(???)

3. He is a dipwad with a fascination of vacuum tubes and can't help but send info to unknown parties like a moth to a flame.

4. Something I haven't considered?

I thought Locke sent it?

Yah, Locke put his hand-drawn map in the tube and sent it.

 

[BGP]

Something that intrigued me was when I believe Alex was asking Michael questions when Kate was being held hostage. Alex asked how is Claire's baby. Is it a boy or a girl? I know the others have a fascination with kids, but this was interesting to me.

To me it was meant to convey that Alex has shifting loyalties. She manipulates situations to help the losties and is concerned about them.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Here is what is ticking me off that no one is talking about.

Why in the hell did Eko send Lockes map through the vacuum tube to the others?

There aren't really that many possibilities

1. He is a other and sent them the pearl location so they could use the tv to watch the losties on closed circuit tv(not likely)

2. He is setting a trap for the others when they come to the pearl(???)

3. He is a dipwad with a fascination of vacuum tubes and can't help but send info to unknown parties like a moth to a flame.

4. Something I haven't considered?

I thought Locke sent it?

Yah, Locke put his hand-drawn map in the tube and sent it.

Same thing but it applies to Locke then why would he do that?

 

[BGP]

Here is what is ticking me off that no one is talking about.

Why in the hell did Eko send Lockes map through the vacuum tube to the others?

There aren't really that many possibilities

1. He is a other and sent them the pearl location so they could use the tv to watch the losties on closed circuit tv(not likely)

2. He is setting a trap for the others when they come to the pearl(???)

3. He is a dipwad with a fascination of vacuum tubes and can't help but send info to unknown parties like a moth to a flame.

4. Something I haven't considered?

I thought Locke sent it?

Yah, Locke put his hand-drawn map in the tube and sent it.

Same thing but it applies to Locke then why would he do that?

I don't know. Maybe the reason the scene was in there was because in a future episode we will see the map again (or the other end of that tube - confirmed in that the map is in it)

 

[kupcho1]

The Third Policeman is seen when Desmond is packing before fleeing the underground bunker in "Orientation." Craig Wright, who co-wrote the episode, told the Chicago Tribune that, "Whoever goes out and buys the book will have a lot more ammunition in their back pocket as they theorize about the show. They will have a lot more to speculate about — and, no small thing, they will have read a really great book."

To me, it sounds pretty central actually.

I like that quote better. The writer was a fan of the book. Feel free to read the whole book and give us a book report. Heck, I will be happy to salute you when you find the first real connection with that book.Have at it, in fact, I wouldn't spend another minute on anything else until you have solved the connection riddle. Posting here is wasting valuable time. Good on ya and see ya when you are done!

I imagine the idea could be that there is something on the island (the Cerebrus system?) that somehow brings out everyone's personal demons and helps them to manifest in some way. It would possibly explain the plane that flew halfway around the world and crashed here. Cerebrus was a 3-headed dog that guarded the gates of hell. I suppose when you factor in that the woman at the airport told Eko that she saw his brother in spirit and even devilered a message for him, maybe there literally is a gateway to hell on this island.

Did you even read the Third Policeman?I read it and I think the writers are messing with us. Unless of course they are lying and all of the losties are in fact dead. Because that was what the main character in the Third Policeman was. Dead.

 

[scoobygang]

Did you even read the Third Policeman?

I read it and I think the writers are messing with us. Unless of course they are lying and all of the losties are in fact dead. Because that was what the main character in the Third Policeman was. Dead.

Isn't that like the most popular theory? The whole Pincher Martin/Incident at Owl Creek Bridge/Jacob's Ladder thing? I know Cuse or Lindelof or whoever has disavowed it, and I think it would be a terrible narrative cheat, but I wouldn't put the writers above it.

 

[BGP]

The Third Policeman is seen when Desmond is packing before fleeing the underground bunker in "Orientation." Craig Wright, who co-wrote the episode, told the Chicago Tribune that, "Whoever goes out and buys the book will have a lot more ammunition in their back pocket as they theorize about the show. They will have a lot more to speculate about — and, no small thing, they will have read a really great book."

To me, it sounds pretty central actually.

I like that quote better. The writer was a fan of the book. Feel free to read the whole book and give us a book report. Heck, I will be happy to salute you when you find the first real connection with that book.Have at it, in fact, I wouldn't spend another minute on anything else until you have solved the connection riddle. Posting here is wasting valuable time. Good on ya and see ya when you are done!

I imagine the idea could be that there is something on the island (the Cerebrus system?) that somehow brings out everyone's personal demons and helps them to manifest in some way. It would possibly explain the plane that flew halfway around the world and crashed here. Cerebrus was a 3-headed dog that guarded the gates of hell. I suppose when you factor in that the woman at the airport told Eko that she saw his brother in spirit and even devilered a message for him, maybe there literally is a gateway to hell on this island.

Did you even read the Third Policeman?I read it and I think the writers are messing with us. Unless of course they are lying and all of the losties are in fact dead. Because that was what the main character in the Third Policeman was. Dead.

Just because they are not dead doesn't mean it isn't similar to the story in other ways.