Crimson Hawk
Axis of Evel
Why didn't anyone use the ladder to decend into the hatch instead of sliding down a steel-looking cable??
Ladder is broken just a little way down.Why didn't anyone use the ladder to decend into the hatch instead of sliding down a steel-looking cable??
I like that polar bear idea. The blood could theoretically be hydraulic fluid, though I think it was blood. The backhalfers could have turned on each other - remember the fronthalfers torturing Sawyer?We believe that her child Alex (can't remember the gender, I always assumed female) is with the Others.I would be willing to bet if they had looked over the Polar Bear corpse carefully, there would be an octagon hidden somewhere under the fur. That symbol was meant to be seen on the shark. I caught it realtime, and rewound to check.
You saw blood clearly when Michael shot it. So it was a "real" shark. But how it was created is another matter. But I would bet it was created in the same way as the Polar Bear (The Comic book was a red herring to drive us slow-mo fans into a frenzy).
Other notes.
I think that we will find Desmond doesn't really know what is going on either. He was probably lied to by whomever convinced him to work in the shelter.
I don't think the group on the other side of the island is all tail-sectioners. Maybe a couple, but Michelle Rodriguez was in "jail" with them. I would lean more toward survivors of other crashes, such as the drug plane. But I will agree that I don't necessarily think they are the "others"
Just thinking more about who all is on the island, past and present.
3. Rousseau's group, presumed all dead but Rousseau
One and the same, not one in the same. smooGroup #2 and Group #6 are one-in-the same IMO.
I like that idea.File this under "way out there" theory, but here it goes...
I believe that Walt's mother is, by way of a people connection, involved in the whole Dharma Corp. thing, and that's why she is traveling all over the globe ("race around the world") in her capacity as an attorney, and wanting to take Walt with her. I'm guessing Walt has seen things earlier in his life/travels, that correlate to Dharma, and to the hatch. Didn't Walt's mother died as a result of some kind of blood disease? Could this be what Desmond is afraid of? I think there is more to the Michael, Walt, Walt's mom (don't know her name) that we have yet to see in flashbacks.
I'm surprised the number loonies haven't hit on this a bit more. Binary, with most significant digit on the outside, with closed bars being 0s, or some variation...The sets of bars all the way around are each unique. Kinda strange for a logo. They must represent something.
Yes, clearly overanalyzing.I noticed that the name of the candy bars that Kate took were "Apollo". So, I did a google search on Apollo and learned a couple interesting things.
1. Apollo, the Sun god, brings life-giving heat and light to Earth.
2. The arrows of Apollo and Artemis invariably killed and the Greeks explained epidemics of diseases by supposing that they were shooting their arrows at people; and so, by praying to Apollo, the epidemic might be made to stop. In this way, Apollo became associated with the cure of diseases.
3. He was a mortal medical healer who was so successful that he was reputed to have the ability to bring the dead back to life
And for those that believe the Dharma symbol is a snake instead of a swan:
1. The snake was a symbol of medicine and doctors and the Latin name for his constellation is Ophiuchus (oh fee YOO kuhs) which means “serpent-holder”.
Probably over analyzing....
http://www.wordsources.info/apollo.html
What are you talking about with stiff leggedness? Ethan walked normally, the boat people give no sign of walking strangely... I don't know what you're talking about.I breezed thorough the past pages and did not see this theory. When Desmond is questioning Locke, he asks "is the world still out there?" This in addition to the questions about how many are sick and died, could it be that Desmond is planted to surrive a nuclear explosion and the "others" are the mutated survivors from the explosion. Notice how they walk all stiff legged and stuff. Any takers ??![]()
Now that was funny.Does anyone else think this was a two-hour premiere, then it got cut in half so they could premiere Invasion the way they did? They seemed to split that thing in half to me.Umm...yes. You must be the Hulk today and not Dr. Banner.
They didn't focus on it in the new episodes, but in the finale of season 1, you see that it is broken after about 4 or 5 steps.Why didn't anyone use the ladder to decend into the hatch instead of sliding down a steel-looking cable??
Yeah, stoopid thing doesn't handle that many quotes well - I'll edit it somehow.Fixed.Was Tick's mega-quote post absolute murder on anyone else's eyes?
I don't.I think it would be cool if they discovered the Island was being run by Dr. Shrinker.
The look on his face and the inflection in his voice told me it was a lot more important to get those numbers entered than just re-upping a distress call. I got the feeling something bad (as in hatch goes BOOM) would happen if they were net entered into the computer.Also, I think Desmond enters those numbers on the computer so that they continue to get stated over the distress signal. He probably isn't aware that the other tooks control of the signal and then Rousseau went to the black rock and changed it to the signal we heard in season 1.
I don't think they split it half. [Edit to Clear up my point] I mean that it was intentional to be two 1 hour shows, not orginally a 2 hour premiers that they literally stopped at hour 1 and showed hour 2 the next week. Otherwise the 2 hour premiere would have had Jack say "You" to Desmond twice.[End Edit]I think they thought that rather than doing a "to be continued..." at the end of episode 1, they thought it would be better to split the two shows into two different perspectives, i.e. Jack in the hatch and then Locke/Kate in the hatch. The Michael/raft stuff was used as filler in the second episode because it happened at the same time. Both episodes basically started and ended at the exact same moment in time, i.e. going into the hatch and Jack recognizing Desmond.Does anyone else think this was a two-hour premiere, then it got cut in half so they could premiere Invasion the way they did? They seemed to split that thing in half to me.
I liked it. I think it was a good way to get us up to speed on the hanging threads from last year and put us into position for what's coming.I don't think they split it half. I think they thought that instead of a "to be continued..." at the end of episode 1, they probably thought it would be better to split the two shows into two different perspectives, i.e. Jack in the hatch and then Locke/Kate in the hatch. The Michael/raft stuff was used as filler in the second episode because it happened at the same time. Both episodes basically started and ended at the exact same moment in time, i.e. going into the hatch and Jack recognizing Desmond.I actually thought about this on Wednesday night and I think that they would have been better off to do a "to be continued..." and keep the timeline moving accordingly instead of episode 2 being a different perspective of episode 1 with different flashbacks. I don't think they could have gotten all of the hatch stuff into one episode so they would have had to run it over to episode 2.Does anyone else think this was a two-hour premiere, then it got cut in half so they could premiere Invasion the way they did? They seemed to split that thing in half to me.
Anyway, that is way overanalyzing it, but I definitely loved episode 1, but felt eh about episode 2 because aside from the back story and the raft stuff, we ended both with Jack saying "You" to Desmond.
I agree, there was a dire consequence in his actions. It was weird that he didn't just tell Lock to move because he could have easily entered the numbers with one hand and still held the gun to Locke with the other. I think they did it so that the audience knew that the numbers were entered because the way it was done made Desmond say them aloud to Locke.The look on his face and the inflection in his voice told me it was a lot more important to get those numbers entered than just re-upping a distress call. I got the feeling something bad (as in hatch goes BOOM) would happen if they were net entered into the computer.Also, I think Desmond enters those numbers on the computer so that they continue to get stated over the distress signal. He probably isn't aware that the other tooks control of the signal and then Rousseau went to the black rock and changed it to the signal we heard in season 1.
I guess you are damned if you do or damned if you don't. If episode 1 left us hanging, people would have been pissed. I thought episode 1 was fantastic, but I was just a little underwhelmed that episode 2 ended literally at the exact same point with the exact same "You". It made episode 2 feel like we went nowhere.Maybe I would have liked it if I hadn't looked at the preview pictures on the lost-media site because in those, you already knew that Michael, Sawyer and Jin would make it to the island and meet up with Michelle Rodriguez and the LOTF gang.I liked it. I think it was a good way to get us up to speed on the hanging threads from last year and put us into position for what's coming.I don't think they split it half. I think they thought that instead of a "to be continued..." at the end of episode 1, they probably thought it would be better to split the two shows into two different perspectives, i.e. Jack in the hatch and then Locke/Kate in the hatch. The Michael/raft stuff was used as filler in the second episode because it happened at the same time. Both episodes basically started and ended at the exact same moment in time, i.e. going into the hatch and Jack recognizing Desmond.I actually thought about this on Wednesday night and I think that they would have been better off to do a "to be continued..." and keep the timeline moving accordingly instead of episode 2 being a different perspective of episode 1 with different flashbacks. I don't think they could have gotten all of the hatch stuff into one episode so they would have had to run it over to episode 2.Does anyone else think this was a two-hour premiere, then it got cut in half so they could premiere Invasion the way they did? They seemed to split that thing in half to me.
Anyway, that is way overanalyzing it, but I definitely loved episode 1, but felt eh about episode 2 because aside from the back story and the raft stuff, we ended both with Jack saying "You" to Desmond.
Could be. BTW I liked Ep 1 as well.I guess you are damned if you do or damned if you don't. If episode 1 left us hanging, people would have been pissed. I thought episode 1 was fantastic, but I was just a little underwhelmed that episode 2 ended literally at the exact same point with the exact same "You". It made episode 2 feel like we went nowhere.Maybe I would have liked it if I hadn't looked at the preview pictures on the lost-media site because in those, you already knew that Michael, Sawyer and Jin would make it to the island and meet up with Michelle Rodriguez and the LOTF gang.I liked it. I think it was a good way to get us up to speed on the hanging threads from last year and put us into position for what's coming.I don't think they split it half. I think they thought that instead of a "to be continued..." at the end of episode 1, they probably thought it would be better to split the two shows into two different perspectives, i.e. Jack in the hatch and then Locke/Kate in the hatch. The Michael/raft stuff was used as filler in the second episode because it happened at the same time. Both episodes basically started and ended at the exact same moment in time, i.e. going into the hatch and Jack recognizing Desmond.I actually thought about this on Wednesday night and I think that they would have been better off to do a "to be continued..." and keep the timeline moving accordingly instead of episode 2 being a different perspective of episode 1 with different flashbacks. I don't think they could have gotten all of the hatch stuff into one episode so they would have had to run it over to episode 2.Does anyone else think this was a two-hour premiere, then it got cut in half so they could premiere Invasion the way they did? They seemed to split that thing in half to me.
Anyway, that is way overanalyzing it, but I definitely loved episode 1, but felt eh about episode 2 because aside from the back story and the raft stuff, we ended both with Jack saying "You" to Desmond.
I'm avoiding spoilers for that reason - it can really ruin the experience. Remember Terminator 2 where they had that hallway scene with Arnold behind them and the Liquid Metal guy at the other end of the hall, and Arnold pulls out the shotgun and aims over their heads? Think of how cool that scene would have been if the previews hadn't told us for about a year that Arnold was a good guy in the second movie. Obviously, that still pisses me off. I try to avoid movie previews and spoilers because of that one scene that was killt for me.I guess you are damned if you do or damned if you don't. If episode 1 left us hanging, people would have been pissed. I thought episode 1 was fantastic, but I was just a little underwhelmed that episode 2 ended literally at the exact same point with the exact same "You". It made episode 2 feel like we went nowhere.Maybe I would have liked it if I hadn't looked at the preview pictures on the lost-media site because in those, you already knew that Michael, Sawyer and Jin would make it to the island and meet up with Michelle Rodriguez and the LOTF gang.I liked it. I think it was a good way to get us up to speed on the hanging threads from last year and put us into position for what's coming.I don't think they split it half. I think they thought that instead of a "to be continued..." at the end of episode 1, they probably thought it would be better to split the two shows into two different perspectives, i.e. Jack in the hatch and then Locke/Kate in the hatch. The Michael/raft stuff was used as filler in the second episode because it happened at the same time. Both episodes basically started and ended at the exact same moment in time, i.e. going into the hatch and Jack recognizing Desmond.I actually thought about this on Wednesday night and I think that they would have been better off to do a "to be continued..." and keep the timeline moving accordingly instead of episode 2 being a different perspective of episode 1 with different flashbacks. I don't think they could have gotten all of the hatch stuff into one episode so they would have had to run it over to episode 2.Does anyone else think this was a two-hour premiere, then it got cut in half so they could premiere Invasion the way they did? They seemed to split that thing in half to me.
Anyway, that is way overanalyzing it, but I definitely loved episode 1, but felt eh about episode 2 because aside from the back story and the raft stuff, we ended both with Jack saying "You" to Desmond.
Damnit, why did you have to go ruining Terminator 2 for me!I'm avoiding spoilers for that reason - it can really ruin the experience. Remember Terminator 2 where they had that hallway scene with Arnold behind them and the Liquid Metal guy at the other end of the hall, and Arnold pulls out the shotgun and aims over their heads? Think of how cool that scene would have been if the previews hadn't told us for about a year that Arnold was a good guy in the second movie. Obviously, that still pisses me off. I try to avoid movie previews and spoilers because of that one scene that was killt for me.
You are right and from now on, screw the spoilers, I am going cold turkey. Actually, I don't mind the "rumor" spoiler text, it is really the promotional photos because they tell you way too much. There was absolutley no scare factor to the shark when you see those two on the island in a preview picture for episode 3.Sorry, forgot to convert color for spoilers.I don't know if this has been covered already, but the spoiler pics that were posted prior to the last episode airing showed what we assumed were the tail section survivors (black guy, blonde, and Michelle Rodriguez).
Well, as we all know, those weren't pics for the upcoming episode as we though (Adrift). Also, in the previews for next week's episode (Everyone Hates Hugo?), we see Michelle Rodriguez trapped in the pit with the raft survivors. This of course leads me to believe that they aren't the tail section survivors as we originally thought unless they are holding one of their own captive (Ana Lucia).
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I think they made the right move as well. They had a lot to cover in that time span and devoting two episodes was the right thing to do. Otherwise, the 1st eposide wouldn't have had as much appeal and drawn as many viewers in.Each plotline may move slower now that there are interesting things happening in two different places at the same time.I liked it. I think it was a good way to get us up to speed on the hanging threads from last year and put us into position for what's coming.I don't think they split it half. I think they thought that instead of a "to be continued..." at the end of episode 1, they probably thought it would be better to split the two shows into two different perspectives, i.e. Jack in the hatch and then Locke/Kate in the hatch. The Michael/raft stuff was used as filler in the second episode because it happened at the same time. Both episodes basically started and ended at the exact same moment in time, i.e. going into the hatch and Jack recognizing Desmond.I actually thought about this on Wednesday night and I think that they would have been better off to do a "to be continued..." and keep the timeline moving accordingly instead of episode 2 being a different perspective of episode 1 with different flashbacks. I don't think they could have gotten all of the hatch stuff into one episode so they would have had to run it over to episode 2.Does anyone else think this was a two-hour premiere, then it got cut in half so they could premiere Invasion the way they did? They seemed to split that thing in half to me.
Anyway, that is way overanalyzing it, but I definitely loved episode 1, but felt eh about episode 2 because aside from the back story and the raft stuff, we ended both with Jack saying "You" to Desmond.
That's one of the reason's I think that group is actually a combination of people already on the island (the drug plane?) and the tail section survivors.Sorry, forgot to convert color for spoilers.I don't know if this has been covered already, but the spoiler pics that were posted prior to the last episode airing showed what we assumed were the tail section survivors (black guy, blonde, and Michelle Rodriguez).
Well, as we all know, those weren't pics for the upcoming episode as we though (Adrift). Also, in the previews for next week's episode (Everyone Hates Hugo?), we see Michelle Rodriguez trapped in the pit with the raft survivors. This of course leads me to believe that they aren't the tail section survivors as we originally thought unless they are holding one of their own captive (Ana Lucia).
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That's one of the reason's I think that group is actually a combination of people already on the island (the drug plane?) and the tail section survivors.Sorry, forgot to convert color for spoilers.I don't know if this has been covered already, but the spoiler pics that were posted prior to the last episode airing showed what we assumed were the tail section survivors (black guy, blonde, and Michelle Rodriguez).
Well, as we all know, those weren't pics for the upcoming episode as we though (Adrift). Also, in the previews for next week's episode (Everyone Hates Hugo?), we see Michelle Rodriguez trapped in the pit with the raft survivors. This of course leads me to believe that they aren't the tail section survivors as we originally thought unless they are holding one of their own captive (Ana Lucia).
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I'm pretty sure the next Episdoe is called "orientation". Its Locke centric, and many things about the hatch and the LOTF group will be explained. My guess is that the LOTF group is made up of a combo of tail sectioners and maybe one or two of the drug smugglers. Ep IV is "everybody hates Hugo" which I'm guessing is Hurley centric. And then I think Ep VI or so is called "the other 48 days". I'm guessing that one follows the "others" for the duration of time that the passengers of Oceanic 815 have been on the island. At least, I think that'd be pretty cool.
Ya think?Ep IV is "everybody hates Hugo" which I'm guessing is Hurley centric.
Lord of the Flies.What does LOTF stand for?
I'm always the master of the obvious on friday afternoons.Ya think?Ep IV is "everybody hates Hugo" which I'm guessing is Hurley centric.
Try crunching numbers at the pentagon all week and see how well your mind works by the end of the week.And you're watching Lost instead of E-Ring?I'm always the master of the obvious on friday afternoons.Ya think?Ep IV is "everybody hates Hugo" which I'm guessing is Hurley centric.Try crunching numbers at the pentagon all week and see how well your mind works by the end of the week.
Yup. Would you want to watch a show about your job? Its boring and annoying, especially when it totally gets stuff wrong.And you're watching Lost instead of E-Ring?I'm always the master of the obvious on friday afternoons.Ya think?Ep IV is "everybody hates Hugo" which I'm guessing is Hurley centric.Try crunching numbers at the pentagon all week and see how well your mind works by the end of the week.
I love shows about my job.But my job is very interesting. I enter numbers into a computer every 108 minutes and I work out a lot in a small underground bunker on what I think is a deserted island. I just hope my replacement shows up soon.Yup. Would you want to watch a show about your job? Its boring and annoying, especially when it totally gets stuff wrong.And you're watching Lost instead of E-Ring?I'm always the master of the obvious on friday afternoons.Ya think?Ep IV is "everybody hates Hugo" which I'm guessing is Hurley centric.Try crunching numbers at the pentagon all week and see how well your mind works by the end of the week.
Or a Wyvern's tail.
It's not a snake. It's not a swan. It can only be the loch ness monster.Or a Wyvern's tail.
apologies if i missed it.. is it definetly pointed out that he enters the number every 108 minuts?? what is 108 signify, I am too lazy to backtrack, sorryI love shows about my job.But my job is very interesting. I enter numbers into a computer every 108 minutes and I work out a lot in a small underground bunker on what I think is a deserted island. I just hope my replacement shows up soon.Yup. Would you want to watch a show about your job? Its boring and annoying, especially when it totally gets stuff wrong.And you're watching Lost instead of E-Ring?I'm always the master of the obvious on friday afternoons.Ya think?Ep IV is "everybody hates Hugo" which I'm guessing is Hurley centric.Try crunching numbers at the pentagon all week and see how well your mind works by the end of the week.
thanksthe sum of the lottery numbers
regarding the dharma symbol, the binary numbers when converted to decimal:
starting at 1 o'clock and going clockwise:
154-141-212 (outer to inner rings)
starting at noon and going clockwise:
77-198-106 (outer to inner rings)

It's a feng shui thing.yeah I am sure the binary digits are supposed to mean something, I just doubt the interpretation I made is going to help
I could've sworn he dropped a "brotha" on Locke.After episode 1 there was a lot of talk about Desmond throwing in the phrase "brother" repeatedly while talking to Jack.
In episode 2 Desmond never uses this phrase while talking to Locke. If it was really meant to be some sort of colloquialism wouldn't he use it with everyone. Then when speaking to Jack he picks it back up.
With all the details the writers seem to put in I doubt this is an accident. I don't think Desmond is really Jack's brother or a clone but there must be some connection.

i heard it too . i was too scard to post first tho...I could've sworn he dropped a "brotha" on Locke.After episode 1 there was a lot of talk about Desmond throwing in the phrase "brother" repeatedly while talking to Jack.
In episode 2 Desmond never uses this phrase while talking to Locke. If it was really meant to be some sort of colloquialism wouldn't he use it with everyone. Then when speaking to Jack he picks it back up.
With all the details the writers seem to put in I doubt this is an accident. I don't think Desmond is really Jack's brother or a clone but there must be some connection.![]()
Yet, when Kate threw the dynamite in, nothing happened. If there was a track there, it would have been a pretty loud explosion, no?As far as the hatch having another opening, it makes me wonder if that is where Locke was headed if Jack had let the monster drag him underground. Maybe the monster would have pulled him into the hatch and that's why Locke wanted Jack to let him go. Plus, I recall hearing a clanking sound sort of like being on a roller coaster so there had to be some mechanism that was being operated underground that was pulling on Locke. Maybe it operates from somewhere within the hatch and is controlled by Desmond.
I thought she threw the dynamite into the hole, and then there was an explosion immediately afterwards like 50 feet away... suggesting some sort of underground tunnel or something.Yet, when Kate threw the dynamite in, nothing happened. If there was a track there, it would have been a pretty loud explosion, no?As far as the hatch having another opening, it makes me wonder if that is where Locke was headed if Jack had let the monster drag him underground. Maybe the monster would have pulled him into the hatch and that's why Locke wanted Jack to let him go. Plus, I recall hearing a clanking sound sort of like being on a roller coaster so there had to be some mechanism that was being operated underground that was pulling on Locke. Maybe it operates from somewhere within the hatch and is controlled by Desmond.
Yeah that was odd, but if it was a tunnel or chute, wouldn't it have blown up on impact? I'm no dynamite expert though.I thought she threw the dynamite into the hole, and then there was an explosion immediately afterwards like 50 feet away... suggesting some sort of underground tunnel or something.Yet, when Kate threw the dynamite in, nothing happened. If there was a track there, it would have been a pretty loud explosion, no?As far as the hatch having another opening, it makes me wonder if that is where Locke was headed if Jack had let the monster drag him underground. Maybe the monster would have pulled him into the hatch and that's why Locke wanted Jack to let him go. Plus, I recall hearing a clanking sound sort of like being on a roller coaster so there had to be some mechanism that was being operated underground that was pulling on Locke. Maybe it operates from somewhere within the hatch and is controlled by Desmond.
There was definitely smoke and an explosion behind Locke. Not sure how far behind him though.Edit to add: Image of the aftermathI thought she threw the dynamite into the hole, and then there was an explosion immediately afterwards like 50 feet away... suggesting some sort of underground tunnel or something.Yet, when Kate threw the dynamite in, nothing happened. If there was a track there, it would have been a pretty loud explosion, no?As far as the hatch having another opening, it makes me wonder if that is where Locke was headed if Jack had let the monster drag him underground. Maybe the monster would have pulled him into the hatch and that's why Locke wanted Jack to let him go. Plus, I recall hearing a clanking sound sort of like being on a roller coaster so there had to be some mechanism that was being operated underground that was pulling on Locke. Maybe it operates from somewhere within the hatch and is controlled by Desmond.
There was a pretty sizable explosion when I threw my dynamite into Kate's hole.Yet, when Kate threw the dynamite in, nothing happened. If there was a track there, it would have been a pretty loud explosion, no?As far as the hatch having another opening, it makes me wonder if that is where Locke was headed if Jack had let the monster drag him underground. Maybe the monster would have pulled him into the hatch and that's why Locke wanted Jack to let him go. Plus, I recall hearing a clanking sound sort of like being on a roller coaster so there had to be some mechanism that was being operated underground that was pulling on Locke. Maybe it operates from somewhere within the hatch and is controlled by Desmond.
