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[caabeel]

here is a pic of kate getting molested by an other, by far the most important event last night. What do you guys make of it?

http://i4.tinypic.com/10o32wx.jpg

I can make a hat, or broach, or a pterodactyl...

I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue....

 

[miphin]

On my above post regaring the job openings, under the personal assistant job it mentioned Lacanian psychology. I was curious as to what it was and I did a Yahoo search and came across this:

Jacques Lacan, the French psychoanalyst, taught that, in psychological terms, the social world really is a fraud. All of the meaning we attribute to our human creations, including language itself, has no value beyond its own reference, for, as Lacan was fond of saying, “There is no Other of the Other.” [1] By this he meant that there is no absolute meaning that authorizes human meaning. Interestingly enough, Genesis 2:19-20 essentially says the same thing when it tells the story about God bringing the “various wild animals and various birds of the air” to the man “to see what he would call them.” Note that God didn’t name the animals; he simply said that “whatever the man called each of them would be its name.” Here God gave the man the freedom to create language, a language guaranteed only by its own enunciation.

Now, although Genesis speaks from the revealed religion of the Jewish tradition, and though Lacan was not religious [2] and spoke from the position of secular psychology, the essential point should be clear: no language—indeed, no human creation—has any absolute meaning.

The world offers itself to us in full spectacle, but there is nothing to see except a deluded man who calls himself “Emperor” standing naked in the street.

Psychology can teach us, therefore, not only that our social world is a “fraud” but also that it is possible to recognize and heal the pain we feel as children when we experience the world’s fraud. It can teach us to speak about those childhood wounds rather than keep them as dark secrets hidden away within ourselves, wrapped in victim anger. It can teach us to let go of bitterness and hatred and to show compassion and love for those secrets, in the hope of healing them, rather than killing them. If those secrets are not healed they become our unconscious enemies—and we become terrorists in a battle against our own pain.

For just as those who, out of hatred, defile love by committing acts of terror, so anyone who hates those who commit political terror also defiles love. Once you let evil infect your heart with hatred you are one step closer to letting evil possess your soul as well.

And if you respond to political terrorism with fear, you serve the terrorists’ very goal: to spread fear and trauma. Thus you yourself, in an odd psychological way, become a terrorist in your own society.

So is there anything that isn’t a fraud? Psychology cannot say. It has a definite limit

LinkIt would seem to me that there is some of this type of psychology going on. Not sure if it means much, but it sheds a little light on some of the studies.

And I find it interesting that the writers can incorporate these Hanso ideologies into the program.

 

[Alias]

Lets look at the credible threat levels of the known Others. We do this by looking at their personal accomplishments / successes.

Zeke:

+ Led the group that took Walt.

+ Blew up the losties' makeshift boat.

+ Personally captured Michael in the open field (with a sling no less! Nice shot!)

+ Caught Kate

+ Was outmanned by Jack's group but used torches to fake Jack out and thus successfully took the guns from Jack's group as well as forced them to return from where they came.

Cleo:

NONE

Ethan:

+ Infiltrated the fuselage group for some time before being exposed.

+ Captured Claire.

Alex:

+ Freed Claire from the clutches of the Others, allowing her to return to the losties.

Other of the tailies' group

+ Infiltrated the tailies for some time.

+ I believe he killed one of them in the nite (the guy in the pit) but I'm not sure.

Henry:

NONE

Sometimes leaders are written to be weak and incompetant. But in THIS storyline, it has been emphasized that the leader of the others is a "great man". He is feared by fellow Others. Zeke was afraid of him, and Zeke is portrayed as being extremely competant and credible! Zeke has never even failed once!

If the writers seriously have chosen Henry to be the leader, it just makes no sense. His character is not consistent in any way with the storyline we've been through. Henry has no accomplishments whatsoever, and even if you believe he somehow tweaked the relationship between Jack and Locke a little bit, that is nowhere on the credibility level of Zeke.

The storyline falls apart and the show becomes a joke.

Henry convinced Locke the button did nothing, ultimately leading to the (alleged) destruction of the swan hatch.

 

[doctor Gunks]

Locke is a complete dummy.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Locke is a complete dummy.

Did you mean to say "dummy" or did you get language-filtered?

 

[Gold Dragon]

1) If they really were near Fiji, the North Star wouldn't be a useful marker since they are supposed to be in the southern hemisphere. The southern cross would be a better marker.

2) The Colossus of Rhodes is not a myth. It is myth that the legs straddled the harbour.

3) lost.cubit.net notes that Thomas Love Peacock's novel "Headlong Hall" references a leg statue with four toes.

http://lost.cubit.net/investigations.php

4) Now we know Henry was lying to Locke the second time around about not pushing the button.

 

[stbugs]

The MOST believable mention of a higher up in the other's ranks is by Henry, period.

That's how I took the interrogation a few weeks ago, too.I think we get a new character next year more powerful than Henry.

Are we sure Kelvin is dead?

What about Kelvin's old partner (I forget his name)? Seems likely that guy is still alive, or never existed. Kelvin isn't the most reliable truthteller. A brown spot on the ceiling hardly proves that he blew his brains out.

I think both are dead. As someone mentioned earlier, if Kelvin was not dead (it was 1 year ago), then he would have grabbed the boat and left.Until Kelvin found Desmond, I think he was a company man and was religious about pressing the button. I think after he saw that Desmond had no ill affects at all to being exposed, he then set a plan to fix the boat and leave Desmond there to play with the button while he escaped. Because of that, I do think that his partner did kill himself.

It was 60 days ago, the day the plane crashed.

My bad, I think Desmond said something about it being over 2 years and Kelvin hadn't let him go outside, so I did quick math 3-2 instead of thinking that it was when the crash happened. Damn, hard to try and keep up the posting pace after the finale.

 

[doctor Gunks]

Locke is a complete dummy.

Did you mean to say "dummy" or did you get language-filtered?

I did mean to say dummy. No other word can describe him better.I could stand on the Golden Gate Bridge with locke and tell him I have a magic nickel with mystical powers. Then I could toss it off the side, and I'm certain he'd scream like a woman and then fall over the side in hot pursuit.

I hope he dies.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Has anyone here read that Dickens book "Our Mutual Friend"?

 

[Pooch]

Locke to Ecko: "Nothing will happen if we don't push the button, I've never been more sure of anythng IN MY LIFE".

Locke 20 minutes later: "I WAS WRONG!!"

 

[Alias]

I tivo'd Kimmel - have not watched it yet (wrong thread? ) anything revealing take place with Mr. Hanso?

 

[Ramblin' Irish]

Nothing to see here, pleasemove along.

Just marking my spot so I know where I was.

 

[stbugs]

Case in point, I argued endlessly that the plane crashed sometime between 2007 and 2011.

Clearly, I was 100% wrong.

At least I don't have to dig up those links to what must've been prop errors anymore.

I was going to post a note to you on that. When I heard September, 2004, I knew somewhere out there a tear was welling up in some big green guy's eye.

Didn't LOST premier on September 22, 2004? I know it was in Sept '04, but don't recall the date.

Yes, that was the date.

Brewdude, Hulk has quoted his posts. He was off the theory that the whole thing was taking place in the future. I remember that well, so when Locke and Desmon said exactly when the plane crashed, I knew Hulk was thinking and probably a bit verklemfpt.

 

[PC Load Letter]

Locke is a complete dummy.

Did you mean to say "dummy" or did you get language-filtered?

I did mean to say dummy. No other word can describe him better.I could stand on the Golden Gate Bridge with locke and tell him I have a magic nickel with mystical powers. Then I could toss it off the side, and I'm certain he'd scream like a woman and then fall over the side in hot pursuit.

I hope he dies.

His character really took a turn for the worse. From the badass outdoorsman who knew how to do everything, to a pathetic gullible sap. :(

 

[TheRingLeader$]

Containing the EM emissions could have been necessary to keep the island undetectable, or to contain the "sickness".  Certainly the large EM burst has been seen by the snowbound monitors.

This thought crossed my mind as well.

When they were in the jungle. Michael looked like he was getting sick when he was leaning onto the tree. He was looking at the top of his hand. Jack asked him what was wrong and he said that he was looking for some food or something.He was throwing up on an earlier episode and he said that nothing was wrong either, but that was probably due to the murders.

 

[Sack-Religious]

My comments in bold.

Lets look at the credible threat levels of the known Others.  We do this by looking at their personal accomplishments / successes.

Zeke:

+ Led the group that took Walt.

was on the boat that captured Walt, there's no indication he "led" the group.

+ Blew up the losties' makeshift boat.

Someone else threw the molotov cocktail, he was holding on to Walt

+ Personally captured Michael in the open field (with a sling no less!  Nice shot!)

He wasn't alone and it was a Bolas, not a sling.

+ Caught Kate

Again, didn't do this solo

+ Was outmanned by Jack's group but used torches to fake Jack out and thus successfully took the guns from Jack's group as well as forced them to return from where they came.

Was not outmanned.  There was Jack, Locke and Sawyer, and there were more Others than "Losties" around at that time.  Do the survivors of flight 815 truly outnumber the Others? We don't yet know.

Cleo:

NONE

Put the fear of God into Walt, when he said too much and she threatened him with going back "in the room" or something like that

Ethan:

+  Infiltrated the fuselage group for some time before being exposed.

+  Captured Claire.

Came onto the beach undectected and killed one of the "Losties" also ended up getting blown away by Charlie in an attempt to get Claire back

Alex:

+ Freed Claire from the clutches of the Others, allowing her to return to the losties.

Other of the tailies' group

+ Infiltrated the tailies for some time.

Both people that we've known to have infiltrated are now dead.  Ethan with the front section and Goodwin with the tail section

+ I believe he killed one of them in the nite (the guy in the pit) but I'm not sure.

Correct - he apparently wasn't a "good man"

Henry:

NONE

He managed to mind F*** and manipulate just about every flight 815 survivor he came in contact with.  He also was brought to the jetty in the boat and finalized the deal with Michael.  He is, at a minimum, in some sort of leadership position on the island

Sometimes leaders are written to be weak and incompetant.  But in THIS storyline, it has been emphasized that the leader of the others is a "great man".  He is feared by fellow Others.  Zeke was afraid of him, and Zeke is portrayed as being extremely competant and credible!  Zeke has never even failed once!

Are you kidding me?  Zeke got put in his place by Kate, when she said his beard was fake, had a childish exchange with Ms. Khlu (not Cleo), and was subsequently rebuked by Gale for taking off his beard.  Sounds like someone infallible to me

If the writers seriously have chosen Henry to be the leader, it just makes no sense.  His character is not consistent in any way with the storyline we've been through.  Henry has no accomplishments whatsoever, and even if you believe he somehow tweaked the relationship between Jack and Locke a little bit, that is nowhere on the credibility level of Zeke. 

The storyline falls apart and the show becomes a joke.

This coming from the guy that admittedly doesn't watch TV and was wondering just what the heck was wrong with those of us who watch the show last season is a pretty astounding assertion

 

[(HULK)]

I meant to mention this earlier.

The other that was shot by Sawyer and Kate... you don't see his whole face... but he looks asian, and he kinda has that Marvin Candle/Wickman haircut going on.

 

[doctor Gunks]

Locke is a complete dummy.

Did you mean to say "dummy" or did you get language-filtered?

I did mean to say dummy. No other word can describe him better.I could stand on the Golden Gate Bridge with locke and tell him I have a magic nickel with mystical powers. Then I could toss it off the side, and I'm certain he'd scream like a woman and then fall over the side in hot pursuit.

I hope he dies.

His character really took a turn for the worse. From the badass outdoorsman who knew how to do everything, to a pathetic gullible sap. :(

Soon there will be a Lost Outcast colony with Locke and Michael. I'm pretty sure he's coming back.

 

[Smoo]

I don't know why I even came in here. Don't you people just enjoy watching the show? Why is it so important to try to "figure everything out"?

I will use an analogy here. Lost to us is as important as grammar to you. So, we tend to like to discuss it after the show as much as you like finding mistakes and correcting them.

I don't like finding mistakes. Finding mistakes means I'm surrounded by people who make mistakes. My ideal situation would be to never find a mistake ever.

 

[Dash]

Has anyone here read that Dickens book "Our Mutual Friend"?

From Wikipedia

Our Mutual Friend (1864–5) is the last completed novel written by Charles Dickens. It centers on, in the words of critic J. Hillis Miller, "money, money, money, and what money can make of life" (which is, incidently, a quote from Our Mutual Friend, spoken by Bella at the end of book III, chapt. iv.). In the opening chapter, a young man is on his way to receive his inheritance, which, according to his father's will, he can only claim if he marries Bella Wilfer, a beautiful, mercenary girl whom he has never met. However, before he can arrive, a body is found in the Thames and identified as him. The money passes on, instead, to the Boffins, and the effects spread throughout various corners of London society. The book is largely believed to be the most challenging and complicated that Dickens produced. Reviews at the time of publication were not generally favorable, but critical opinion shifted in the century that followed. Although somewhat a mystery, an important point concerning the identity of certain characters is revealed halfway through, without hinting as to the ending.

 

[doctor Gunks]

I meant to mention this earlier.

The other that was shot by Sawyer and Kate... you don't see his whole face... but he looks asian, and he kinda has that Marvin Candle/Wickman haircut going on.

White people shooting Asian people on an island on the Pacific: A time-honored American tradition.

 

[stbugs]

I don't know why I even came in here.  Don't you people just enjoy watching the show?  Why is it so important to try to "figure everything out"?

I will use an analogy here. Lost to us is as important as grammar to you. So, we tend to like to discuss it after the show as much as you like finding mistakes and correcting them.

I don't like finding mistakes. Finding mistakes means I'm surrounded by people who make mistakes. My ideal situation would be to never find a mistake ever.

But, in a world with no grammar mistakes, do you really exist?

 

[BGP]

Lets look at the credible threat levels of the known Others.  We do this by looking at their personal accomplishments / successes.

Zeke:

+ Led the group that took Walt.

+ Blew up the losties' makeshift boat.

+ Personally captured Michael in the open field (with a sling no less!  Nice shot!)

+ Caught Kate

+ Was outmanned by Jack's group but used torches to fake Jack out and thus successfully took the guns from Jack's group as well as forced them to return from where they came.

Cleo:

NONE

Ethan:

+  Infiltrated the fuselage group for some time before being exposed.

+  Captured Claire.

Alex:

+ Freed Claire from the clutches of the Others, allowing her to return to the losties.

Other of the tailies' group

+ Infiltrated the tailies for some time.

+ I believe he killed one of them in the nite (the guy in the pit) but I'm not sure.

Henry:

NONE

Sometimes leaders are written to be weak and incompetant.  But in THIS storyline, it has been emphasized that the leader of the others is a "great man".  He is feared by fellow Others.  Zeke was afraid of him, and Zeke is portrayed as being extremely competant and credible!  Zeke has never even failed once!

If the writers seriously have chosen Henry to be the leader, it just makes no sense.  His character is not consistent in any way with the storyline we've been through.  Henry has no accomplishments whatsoever, and even if you believe he somehow tweaked the relationship between Jack and Locke a little bit, that is nowhere on the credibility level of Zeke. 

The storyline falls apart and the show becomes a joke.

Henry convinced Locke the button did nothing, ultimately leading to the (alleged) destruction of the swan hatch.

Henry's actions should have resulted in him being executed by Sayid before he ever got that far. He was lucky to be alive. So that doesn't count, even if you want to give full and exclusive credit to Henry for the button not being pressed, which is a far more dubious connection compared to the direct credit you can give Zeke for his accomplishments.

 

[jgb95]

Pay attention here:

Mr. Widmore built the island and made sure that desmond crashed on it and would tend to a button just so he would stay away from his daughter.

HOW COME NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE HUGE FOOT WITH 4 TOES?

THIS IS MY THEORY AS WELL!!!!!

 

[noneother]

Locke is a complete dummy.

Did you mean to say "dummy" or did you get language-filtered?

I did mean to say dummy. No other word can describe him better.I could stand on the Golden Gate Bridge with locke and tell him I have a magic nickel with mystical powers. Then I could toss it off the side, and I'm certain he'd scream like a woman and then fall over the side in hot pursuit.

I hope he dies.

His character really took a turn for the worse. From the badass outdoorsman who knew how to do everything, to a pathetic gullible sap. :(

he always was a sap, his own father him every step of the way

 

[Dash]

Quick note on the pair of observers at the end of the show. From Begging to Differ:

According to the closed-captioning, they were speaking Portuguese.

 

[caabeel]

Pay attention here:

Mr. Widmore built the island and made sure that desmond crashed on it and would tend to a button just so he would stay away from his daughter.

THIS IS MY THEORY AS WELL!!!!!

Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just kill Desmond?

 

[shuke]

I'm still trying to decide whether Henry and his crew are WITH the Hanso/Dharma folks or are against them. 

Henry said they were the good guys...so who are the bad guys?

The way I looked at that is that Dharma are the bad guys (playing all the mind games and psychological experiments) and the Others really are the good guys. The Others have figured out Dharma's game and are refusing to play buy it.

If this is true, and Henry knows how to get off the island, why don't they just leave? Or do you think they are voluntarily there fighting what Dharma is doing?

 

[Cunning Linguist]

Don't know if this was mentioned.

What was up with that Snowman joke that both Locke & Kelvin asked Desmond? When Kelvin asked it, he preceded it with "Are you him?" , or something of that nature. Locke asked it as he approached Desmond in the beginning.

I thought it was pretty obvious that is was the code phrase that two people know. If you have the right 2 people, one asks the question and the other one answers with the correct (but nonsensical) answer. My guess is that if someone shows up with the right answer, that means they are there to relieve the last person of duty.

 

[noneother]

I'm still trying to decide whether Henry and his crew are WITH the Hanso/Dharma folks or are against them. 

Henry said they were the good guys...so who are the bad guys?

The way I looked at that is that Dharma are the bad guys (playing all the mind games and psychological experiments) and the Others really are the good guys. The Others have figured out Dharma's game and are refusing to play buy it.

If this is true, and Henry knows how to get off the island, why don't they just leave? Or do you think they are voluntarily there fighting what Dharma is doing?

and/or tell the newbies on the island and fight dharma together.. without greg, you could get her and kate to mix it up... yumm

 

[shuke]

If the whole snowglobe thing is somewhat accurate then the Others have no way of leaving the island either. 

comic book snowglobe pic

Anyone see the St. Elsewhere finale?

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

If you have the right 2 people, one asks the question and the other one answers with the correct (but nonsensical) answer.

"Smells like carrots" makes sense. The snowmen have carrots for noses.

 

[FinHead]

Last nights show has been dissected pretty well here... the one thing that hasnt been mentioned that is puzzling to me is when they said that they got more than they bargained for from Walt. If true, why are they willing to let him go?

"More than they bargained for" could mean unanticipated negatives as well as positives. Maybe they wanted to get rid of Walt.

When Henry got out of the boat, he said something about not being happy about the deal that was made.

 

[doctor Gunks]

The way I looked at that is that Dharma are the bad guys (playing all the mind games and psychological experiments) and the Others really are the good guys. The Others have figured out Dharma's game and are refusing to play buy it.

YOU'RE RIGHT!!!They're fighting Dharma by kidnapping people in the middle of the night right after their plane crashed.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Last nights show has been dissected pretty well here... the one thing that hasnt been mentioned that is puzzling to me is when they said that they got more than they bargained for from Walt. If true, why are they willing to let him go?

"More than they bargained for" could mean unanticipated negatives as well as positives. Maybe they wanted to get rid of Walt.

When Henry got out of the boat, he said something about not being happy about the deal that was made.

Of course he's gonna say that. Doesn't mean it's true.

 

[kupcho1]

Has anyone here read that Dickens book "Our Mutual Friend"?

I'm saving it so it can be the last book I read, brother.

 

[stbugs]

Could the russians be very close to the island? Remember the polar bear?

Not sure, based on the climate I would say no, but I am not sure if they were in Russia or at the South Pole. I would think that either way they are probably close to one of the poles, thinking it might be easier to measure a magnetic anomoly that way?

 

[noneother]

Could the russians be very close to the island?  Remember the polar bear?

Not sure, based on the climate I would say no, but I am not sure if they were in Russia or at the South Pole. I would think that either way they are probably close to one of the poles, thinking it might be easier to measure a magnetic anomoly that way?

how does penny know that's what she's looking for??

 

[(HULK)]

Oh, also:

Hurley heard the heading that Fake Henry told Michael and Walt to take to "rescue".

Jin, Sayid, and Sun still have the sail boat.

Any chance they try and head out on that bearing next season?

I'd say thats quite likely.

 

[noneother]

Oh, also:

Hurley heard the heading that Fake Henry told Michael and Walt to take to "rescue".

Jin, Sayid, and Sun still have the sail boat.

Any chance they try and head out on that bearing next season?

I'd say thats quite likely.

I would like to see Hugo take his revenge...

 

[cstu]

Lets look at the credible threat levels of the known Others. We do this by looking at their personal accomplishments / successes.

Zeke:

+ Led the group that took Walt.

+ Blew up the losties' makeshift boat.

+ Personally captured Michael in the open field (with a sling no less! Nice shot!)

+ Caught Kate

+ Was outmanned by Jack's group but used torches to fake Jack out and thus successfully took the guns from Jack's group as well as forced them to return from where they came.

Cleo:

NONE

Ethan:

+ Infiltrated the fuselage group for some time before being exposed.

+ Captured Claire.

Alex:

+ Freed Claire from the clutches of the Others, allowing her to return to the losties.

Other of the tailies' group

+ Infiltrated the tailies for some time.

+ I believe he killed one of them in the nite (the guy in the pit) but I'm not sure.

Henry:

NONE

Sometimes leaders are written to be weak and incompetant. But in THIS storyline, it has been emphasized that the leader of the others is a "great man". He is feared by fellow Others. Zeke was afraid of him, and Zeke is portrayed as being extremely competant and credible! Zeke has never even failed once!

If the writers seriously have chosen Henry to be the leader, it just makes no sense. His character is not consistent in any way with the storyline we've been through. Henry has no accomplishments whatsoever, and even if you believe he somehow tweaked the relationship between Jack and Locke a little bit, that is nowhere on the credibility level of Zeke.

The storyline falls apart and the show becomes a joke.

Henry knows what he is doing:- Gets captured and gets close access to the Losties

- Convinces Locke that the computer does nothing

- Had it setup beforehand that Michael would break him out

- Knew that Michael would bring the people he wanted to the Others

 

[(HULK)]

2nd Plane Crash?

This is a thread at another board about a second plane crash at the end of the credits.

 

[stbugs]

Pay attention here:

Mr. Widmore built the island and made sure that desmond crashed on it and would tend to a button just so he would stay away from his daughter.

THIS IS MY THEORY AS WELL!!!!!

Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just kill Desmond?

This makes no sense to me either, he could have had him offed in prison pretty easily. First off, I think Widmore is the company that did the construction based on Hanso's specs. Mr. Widmore is not behind the Dharma Initiative, that is the Hanso folks and maybe the Others(?). But, Widmore construction probably aided in any post-incident construction as well, so I am sure they have knowledge of the setup and where the island is.If Mr. Widmore was the #1 boss, then Penny, if she has dug far enough, would know exactly where the island was, not that they built an EM containment and thus look for EM anomolies.

 

[doctor Gunks]

2nd Plane Crash?

This is a thread at another board about a second plane crash at the end of the credits.

Has anyone offered a good explanation of why all the people on the plane weren't killed in the first place?

 

[cstu]

Locke is a complete dummy.

Did you mean to say "dummy" or did you get language-filtered?

I did mean to say dummy. No other word can describe him better.I could stand on the Golden Gate Bridge with locke and tell him I have a magic nickel with mystical powers. Then I could toss it off the side, and I'm certain he'd scream like a woman and then fall over the side in hot pursuit.

I hope he dies.

His character really took a turn for the worse. From the badass outdoorsman who knew how to do everything, to a pathetic gullible sap. :(

Turned out he was a pathetic gullible sap his whole life, but was able to act like a badass outdoorsman for awhile. He was pretty cool back then but switched back to the sap about the time of the deal with Claire and the baby.

 

[shuke]

2nd Plane Crash?

This is a thread at another board about a second plane crash at the end of the credits.

When do these credits appear? Right after the Russians called Penny?

 

[shuke]

I'm still trying to decide whether Henry and his crew are WITH the Hanso/Dharma folks or are against them. 

Henry said they were the good guys...so who are the bad guys?

The way I looked at that is that Dharma are the bad guys (playing all the mind games and psychological experiments) and the Others really are the good guys. The Others have figured out Dharma's game and are refusing to play buy it.

If this is true, and Henry knows how to get off the island, why don't they just leave? Or do you think they are voluntarily there fighting what Dharma is doing?

and/or tell the newbies on the island and fight dharma together.. without greg, you could get her and kate to mix it up... yumm

Huh?

 

[jgb95]

Him = Penny's dad?

The island was not built to house Desmond since the tests were going on way before Desmond and the daughter were even thought of. 

Henry Gayle = Penny's dad? or the VP of the company?

Who is the real Henry Gayle and how did he end up on the island?  Why?

Him = Penny?

Fake Henry looks nothing like the guy in the car that Desmond spoke to, who we know is Mr. Widmore.Probably worth noting that the balloon the real Henry Gale flew(?) in had a large Widmore logo on it.

SCREEN CAP OF BALLOON?

 

[cstu]

Pay attention here:

Mr. Widmore built the island and made sure that desmond crashed on it and would tend to a button just so he would stay away from his daughter.

THIS IS MY THEORY AS WELL!!!!!

Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just kill Desmond?

This makes no sense to me either, he could have had him offed in prison pretty easily. First off, I think Widmore is the company that did the construction based on Hanso's specs. Mr. Widmore is not behind the Dharma Initiative, that is the Hanso folks and maybe the Others(?). But, Widmore construction probably aided in any post-incident construction as well, so I am sure they have knowledge of the setup and where the island is.If Mr. Widmore was the #1 boss, then Penny, if she has dug far enough, would know exactly where the island was, not that they built an EM containment and thus look for EM anomolies.

Widmore is involved with the island somehow and made sure Desmond ended up there. However, the island was built long before Desmond met his daughter.

 

[cstu]

Oh, also:

Hurley heard the heading that Fake Henry told Michael and Walt to take to "rescue".

Jin, Sayid, and Sun still have the sail boat.

Any chance they try and head out on that bearing next season?

I'd say thats quite likely.

I would like to see Hugo take his revenge...

[Jay]Fly, fatass, fly!

[/Jay]