*** Official Marvels Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D (1 Viewer)

[danielmclark]

The thing about this show and the ratings is that it has an option that no other show on TV has right now - it can tie into the movies whenever it wants. So when Thor 2 comes out next week, Agents can tie into it (not that it probably will for that particular flick, but still). The Captain America sequel can absolutely have a tie-in episode from Agents, and they've got time to prepare for that. Tie-ins like this are ratings gold, IMO.

 

[NewlyRetired]

As expected the Shield ratings dropped this week from the premier episode but it still pulled in a healthy 8.6 million viewers.

Hopefully it can hold this level in the coming weeks.

Dropped slightly down to 7.79 million for episode 3.

Dropped slightly again this week but appears to have found its level. Drew 7.68 million for episode 4. Still good for second place in time slot, just beating out The Biggest Loser season premiere. Both were crushed by NCIS obviously.

Ratings slipped again this week down to 7.1 million. This better level off soon or we might not see a season 2.

2.7 rating which puts it solidly in second place for that time slot. Tv experts have it as a lock to be renewed.

I am referring to the trend, not the one off rating of this week.

Two important numbers have dropped 5 weeks in a row. The total audience size and the key demo rating.

The total audience size has seen the following trend

Week/Number of viewers (in millions)

1/12.12

2/8.66

3/7.87

4/7.85

5/7.39

Key adult demo

Week/rating

1/4.7

2/3.3

3/2.9

4/2.8

5/2.6

Hopefully this can start to level off soon.

 

[NewlyRetired]

The thing about this show and the ratings is that it has an option that no other show on TV has right now - it can tie into the movies whenever it wants. So when Thor 2 comes out next week, Agents can tie into it (not that it probably will for that particular flick, but still). The Captain America sequel can absolutely have a tie-in episode from Agents, and they've got time to prepare for that. Tie-ins like this are ratings gold, IMO.

yeah, I agree. We speculated earlier in the thread that perhaps during sweeps period they may have stronger tie ins with a bigger name actor or 2 appearing in an episode. It would not surprise me if it was written into the movie contracts that there might be small TV obligations.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

A repeat already??

 

[danielmclark]

That's surprising... and maybe a bit of a bad sign?

 

[Rayderr]

Lots of repeats this week. I wouldn't read too much into it.

 

[NCCommish]

Lots of repeats this week. I wouldn't read too much into it.

Yeah Sleepy Hollow showed their pilot again as well.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Lots of repeats this week. I wouldn't read too much into it.

Yeah Sleepy Hollow showed their pilot again as well.

I believe a lot of shows go on hiatus this week for the World Series. Even though no game was last night, I think a lot of shows have repeats this week.

 

[danielmclark]

That makes sense.

 

[Mile High]

Arrow is better.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Arrow is better.

I actually tuned into Arrow last night. Now, I had absolutely no idea what was going on, and the cast seemed to be roughly the size of the Bulgarian Army, but I actually did think that SHIELD could have picked up a few hints from the show.

There are lots of "How to fix SHIELD" stories being written, but here are mine:

1. The show needs an antagonist. I get that they're trying to amp up the mystery, but it's leaving the show without an interesting villain. I didn't particularly like Heroes at the time, but in retrospect, SHIELD could use a Sylar, or better yet, a HYDRA with a charismatic villain to serve as the antagonist. Arrow does not seem to lack in an antagonist. By my viewing, it appeared to have somewhere in the neighborhood of a dozen of them, which may be overkill. Still, having someone around to "mwah ha ha" a bit made the show more fun.

2. SHIELD is portrayed far too non-ambiguously in the show. Characters may play lip service to them having too much power, but nobody important appears to question them with any consistency. Which is why I think it was a mistake to just immediately have Skye join the team in the pilot. Even if they want to keep the bad guy a secret, it might have been interesting to establish Skye (and Rising Tide) as an antagonist to the team for at least half the first season. It's almost as if Joss is trying to run away from how disturbing he made the organization in Dollhouse, but the right tone for a SHEILD show is somewhere between NCIS and Dollhouse. Not NCIS itself.

3. Fitz and Simmons being two characters who serve the traditional Q role was a funny one-off joke for the pilot. It's a horrible conceit for the show going forward. Neither stands out as a fully formed character with his or her own goals and motivations. I'm leery of calling for Joss going to his famous character death well so soon, but I'd kill one of them off (probably the guy). Or have one of them turned. Or decide that he or she isn't cut out for field work. Something.

4. This relates to number 2, but Coulson is written as such a generic "good guy." And it makes him a really forgettable lead for the show. His motivations are so open and blandly positive that he has no edge at all. I'd rather know WHAT Coulson is right up (Life Model Decoy or whatever) and not know exactly what he's up to, rather than the other way around.

5. I'd cut back on the attempts to make the show so "international." Because when you're trying to convince me that they're in Paris, and Stockholm, and Peru, and Belarus and whatever, it becomes all the more obvious that they're mostly on a kind of cheap plane set. I think they believe that they're making the show look bigger, but I think it makes it look smaller.

I wouldn't be surprised to see this show get The Walking Dead treatment for season 2. It opened strong enough to show strong ratings potential, but it's clear to me (and the viewer erosion seems to bear this out) that Jed and Maurissa aren't ready to run a show. I had expected Jeffrey Bell, who has A LOT more experience to be the showrunner, but it seems that he isn't (I thought he wrote the best episode to date, which was the one where the former agent was being controlled). I still have to wonder if there are other Whedon and/or genre vets available to at least consult on the show. Considering how clunky some of the comedy has been, the show could use some Jane Espenson.

 

[Kumerica]

Arrow is better.

I actually tuned into Arrow last night. Now, I had absolutely no idea what was going on, and the cast seemed to be roughly the size of the Bulgarian Army, but I actually did think that SHIELD could have picked up a few hints from the show.

There are lots of "How to fix SHIELD" stories being written, but here are mine:

1. The show needs an antagonist. I get that they're trying to amp up the mystery, but it's leaving the show without an interesting villain. I didn't particularly like Heroes at the time, but in retrospect, SHIELD could use a Sylar, or better yet, a HYDRA with a charismatic villain to serve as the antagonist. Arrow does not seem to lack in an antagonist. By my viewing, it appeared to have somewhere in the neighborhood of a dozen of them, which may be overkill. Still, having someone around to "mwah ha ha" a bit made the show more fun.

2. SHIELD is portrayed far too non-ambiguously in the show. Characters may play lip service to them having too much power, but nobody important appears to question them with any consistency. Which is why I think it was a mistake to just immediately have Skye join the team in the pilot. Even if they want to keep the bad guy a secret, it might have been interesting to establish Skye (and Rising Tide) as an antagonist to the team for at least half the first season. It's almost as if Joss is trying to run away from how disturbing he made the organization in Dollhouse, but the right tone for a SHEILD show is somewhere between NCIS and Dollhouse. Not NCIS itself.

3. Fitz and Simmons being two characters who serve the traditional Q role was a funny one-off joke for the pilot. It's a horrible conceit for the show going forward. Neither stands out as a fully formed character with his or her own goals and motivations. I'm leery of calling for Joss going to his famous character death well so soon, but I'd kill one of them off (probably the guy). Or have one of them turned. Or decide that he or she isn't cut out for field work. Something.

4. This relates to number 2, but Coulson is written as such a generic "good guy." And it makes him a really forgettable lead for the show. His motivations are so open and blandly positive that he has no edge at all. I'd rather know WHAT Coulson is right up (Life Model Decoy or whatever) and not know exactly what he's up to, rather than the other way around.

5. I'd cut back on the attempts to make the show so "international." Because when you're trying to convince me that they're in Paris, and Stockholm, and Peru, and Belarus and whatever, it becomes all the more obvious that they're mostly on a kind of cheap plane set. I think they believe that they're making the show look bigger, but I think it makes it look smaller.

I wouldn't be surprised to see this show get The Walking Dead treatment for season 2. It opened strong enough to show strong ratings potential, but it's clear to me (and the viewer erosion seems to bear this out) that Jed and Maurissa aren't ready to run a show. I had expected Jeffrey Bell, who has A LOT more experience to be the showrunner, but it seems that he isn't (I thought he wrote the best episode to date, which was the one where the former agent was being controlled). I still have to wonder if there are other Whedon and/or genre vets available to at least consult on the show. Considering how clunky some of the comedy has been, the show could use some Jane Espenson.

Agree on all points, particularly the final point re: Showrunner—this show could definitely use some Jane Espenson/Tim Minear love.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Agree on all points, particularly the final point re: Showrunner—this show could definitely use some Jane Espenson/Tim Minear love.

Tim seems happy on American Horror Story. Considering his network record, it's hard to blame him. But yeah, he'd be the absolute best choice IMO. He was just on staff on the first season of Angel, but his scripts were so much better in that season that it felt like he almost reworked the show on his own.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Looks like Shield will follow a thread from Thor 2 coming up.

AGENTS OF SHIELD EPISODE TO FOLLOW EVENTS OF THOR: THE DARK WORLD

BY: ERIC GOLDMAN

NOVEMBER 1, 2013

While we may not see any of the main Avengers on Marvel Agents of SHIELD, we will indeed see how their actions continue to impact the world they exist in. As EW has noted, the description for the November 19th episode of SHIELD makes it clear that it will be directly following what occurs in Thor: The Dark World.

The network description reads, "In the aftermath of the events chronicled in the feature film Marvel’s Thor: The Dark World, Coulson and the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. pick up the pieces–one of which threatens to destroy a member of the team.”

The episode, called "The Well," is written by Monica Owusu-Breen (Lost, Fringe) and directed by Star Trek: The Next Generations's Jonathan Frakes. "The Well" will be airing less than two weeks after the November 8th opening of Thor: The Dark World in the US, but clearly, Marvel and ABC assume the core Marvel fans will have seen the movie by then.

Marvel have maintained their secrecy with Agents of SHIELD and been vague on how much we'd see the series tie directly into the Marvel films. It's hard not to presume that if an Agents of SHIELD episode is going to tie into Thor: The Dark World, we'll almost certainly see the show delve into what happens in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, whose story is already so SHIELD-centric.

 

[NCCommish]

Looks like Shield will follow a thread from Thor 2 coming up.

AGENTS OF SHIELD EPISODE TO FOLLOW EVENTS OF THOR: THE DARK WORLD

BY: ERIC GOLDMAN

NOVEMBER 1, 2013

While we may not see any of the main Avengers on Marvel Agents of SHIELD, we will indeed see how their actions continue to impact the world they exist in. As EW has noted, the description for the November 19th episode of SHIELD makes it clear that it will be directly following what occurs in Thor: The Dark World.

The network description reads, "In the aftermath of the events chronicled in the feature film Marvel’s Thor: The Dark World, Coulson and the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. pick up the pieces–one of which threatens to destroy a member of the team.”

The episode, called "The Well," is written by Monica Owusu-Breen (Lost, Fringe) and directed by Star Trek: The Next Generations's Jonathan Frakes. "The Well" will be airing less than two weeks after the November 8th opening of Thor: The Dark World in the US, but clearly, Marvel and ABC assume the core Marvel fans will have seen the movie by then.

Marvel have maintained their secrecy with Agents of SHIELD and been vague on how much we'd see the series tie directly into the Marvel films. It's hard not to presume that if an Agents of SHIELD episode is going to tie into Thor: The Dark World, we'll almost certainly see the show delve into what happens in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, whose story is already so SHIELD-centric.

Interesting they got Frakes in to direct. I like his work.

 

[Rayderr]

Looks like Shield will follow a thread from Thor 2 coming up.

AGENTS OF SHIELD EPISODE TO FOLLOW EVENTS OF THOR: THE DARK WORLD

BY: ERIC GOLDMAN

NOVEMBER 1, 2013

While we may not see any of the main Avengers on Marvel Agents of SHIELD, we will indeed see how their actions continue to impact the world they exist in. As EW has noted, the description for the November 19th episode of SHIELD makes it clear that it will be directly following what occurs in Thor: The Dark World.

The network description reads, "In the aftermath of the events chronicled in the feature film Marvel’s Thor: The Dark World, Coulson and the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. pick up the pieces–one of which threatens to destroy a member of the team.”

The episode, called "The Well," is written by Monica Owusu-Breen (Lost, Fringe) and directed by Star Trek: The Next Generations's Jonathan Frakes. "The Well" will be airing less than two weeks after the November 8th opening of Thor: The Dark World in the US, but clearly, Marvel and ABC assume the core Marvel fans will have seen the movie by then.

Marvel have maintained their secrecy with Agents of SHIELD and been vague on how much we'd see the series tie directly into the Marvel films. It's hard not to presume that if an Agents of SHIELD episode is going to tie into Thor: The Dark World, we'll almost certainly see the show delve into what happens in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, whose story is already so SHIELD-centric.

I wish they had pushed it back until like after the DVD comes out.

 

[snogger]

Looks like Shield will follow a thread from Thor 2 coming up.

AGENTS OF SHIELD EPISODE TO FOLLOW EVENTS OF THOR: THE DARK WORLD

BY: ERIC GOLDMAN

NOVEMBER 1, 2013

While we may not see any of the main Avengers on Marvel Agents of SHIELD, we will indeed see how their actions continue to impact the world they exist in. As EW has noted, the description for the November 19th episode of SHIELD makes it clear that it will be directly following what occurs in Thor: The Dark World.

The network description reads, "In the aftermath of the events chronicled in the feature film Marvels Thor: The Dark World, Coulson and the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. pick up the piecesone of which threatens to destroy a member of the team.

The episode, called "The Well," is written by Monica Owusu-Breen (Lost, Fringe) and directed by Star Trek: The Next Generations's Jonathan Frakes. "The Well" will be airing less than two weeks after the November 8th opening of Thor: The Dark World in the US, but clearly, Marvel and ABC assume the core Marvel fans will have seen the movie by then.

Marvel have maintained their secrecy with Agents of SHIELD and been vague on how much we'd see the series tie directly into the Marvel films. It's hard not to presume that if an Agents of SHIELD episode is going to tie into Thor: The Dark World, we'll almost certainly see the show delve into what happens in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, whose story is already so SHIELD-centric.

I wish they had pushed it back until like after the DVD comes out.

VERY smart marketing aka . I had no plans to go see Thor until I read this. But now will end up going on opening weekend

 

[Rayderr]

Looks like Shield will follow a thread from Thor 2 coming up.

AGENTS OF SHIELD EPISODE TO FOLLOW EVENTS OF THOR: THE DARK WORLD

BY: ERIC GOLDMAN

NOVEMBER 1, 2013

While we may not see any of the main Avengers on Marvel Agents of SHIELD, we will indeed see how their actions continue to impact the world they exist in. As EW has noted, the description for the November 19th episode of SHIELD makes it clear that it will be directly following what occurs in Thor: The Dark World.

The network description reads, "In the aftermath of the events chronicled in the feature film Marvels Thor: The Dark World, Coulson and the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. pick up the piecesone of which threatens to destroy a member of the team.

The episode, called "The Well," is written by Monica Owusu-Breen (Lost, Fringe) and directed by Star Trek: The Next Generations's Jonathan Frakes. "The Well" will be airing less than two weeks after the November 8th opening of Thor: The Dark World in the US, but clearly, Marvel and ABC assume the core Marvel fans will have seen the movie by then.

Marvel have maintained their secrecy with Agents of SHIELD and been vague on how much we'd see the series tie directly into the Marvel films. It's hard not to presume that if an Agents of SHIELD episode is going to tie into Thor: The Dark World, we'll almost certainly see the show delve into what happens in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, whose story is already so SHIELD-centric.

I wish they had pushed it back until like after the DVD comes out.

VERY smart marketing aka . I had no plans to go see Thor until I read this. But now will end up going on opening weekend

On the flipside, with an 18month old, I won't be able to see at least until thanksgiving if I can convince my parents to babysit for a while

 

[Mario Kart]

Looks like Shield will follow a thread from Thor 2 coming up.

AGENTS OF SHIELD EPISODE TO FOLLOW EVENTS OF THOR: THE DARK WORLD

BY: ERIC GOLDMAN

NOVEMBER 1, 2013

While we may not see any of the main Avengers on Marvel Agents of SHIELD, we will indeed see how their actions continue to impact the world they exist in. As EW has noted, the description for the November 19th episode of SHIELD makes it clear that it will be directly following what occurs in Thor: The Dark World.

The network description reads, "In the aftermath of the events chronicled in the feature film Marvels Thor: The Dark World, Coulson and the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. pick up the piecesone of which threatens to destroy a member of the team.

The episode, called "The Well," is written by Monica Owusu-Breen (Lost, Fringe) and directed by Star Trek: The Next Generations's Jonathan Frakes. "The Well" will be airing less than two weeks after the November 8th opening of Thor: The Dark World in the US, but clearly, Marvel and ABC assume the core Marvel fans will have seen the movie by then.

Marvel have maintained their secrecy with Agents of SHIELD and been vague on how much we'd see the series tie directly into the Marvel films. It's hard not to presume that if an Agents of SHIELD episode is going to tie into Thor: The Dark World, we'll almost certainly see the show delve into what happens in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, whose story is already so SHIELD-centric.

I wish they had pushed it back until like after the DVD comes out.

VERY smart marketing aka . I had no plans to go see Thor until I read this. But now will end up going on opening weekend

Definitely a different idea for this medium. LOST tried using the Internet with some success. I'm not sure if any tv show has tried to... X-Files would have been awesome if the Internet was around back then. SHIELD is using their source material as well as movies to expand their universe. Breaking new ground here which is very interesting.

 

[Rayderr]

Looks like Shield will follow a thread from Thor 2 coming up.

AGENTS OF SHIELD EPISODE TO FOLLOW EVENTS OF THOR: THE DARK WORLD

BY: ERIC GOLDMAN

NOVEMBER 1, 2013

While we may not see any of the main Avengers on Marvel Agents of SHIELD, we will indeed see how their actions continue to impact the world they exist in. As EW has noted, the description for the November 19th episode of SHIELD makes it clear that it will be directly following what occurs in Thor: The Dark World.

The network description reads, "In the aftermath of the events chronicled in the feature film Marvels Thor: The Dark World, Coulson and the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. pick up the piecesone of which threatens to destroy a member of the team.

The episode, called "The Well," is written by Monica Owusu-Breen (Lost, Fringe) and directed by Star Trek: The Next Generations's Jonathan Frakes. "The Well" will be airing less than two weeks after the November 8th opening of Thor: The Dark World in the US, but clearly, Marvel and ABC assume the core Marvel fans will have seen the movie by then.

Marvel have maintained their secrecy with Agents of SHIELD and been vague on how much we'd see the series tie directly into the Marvel films. It's hard not to presume that if an Agents of SHIELD episode is going to tie into Thor: The Dark World, we'll almost certainly see the show delve into what happens in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, whose story is already so SHIELD-centric.

I wish they had pushed it back until like after the DVD comes out.

VERY smart marketing aka . I had no plans to go see Thor until I read this. But now will end up going on opening weekend

Definitely a different idea for this medium. LOST tried using the Internet with some success. I'm not sure if any tv show has tried to... X-Files would have been awesome if the Internet was around back then. SHIELD is using their source material as well as movies to expand their universe. Breaking new ground here which is very interesting.

Heroes webcomics are the only other thing that comes close that I can think of.

 

[Mario Kart]

Looks like Shield will follow a thread from Thor 2 coming up.

AGENTS OF SHIELD EPISODE TO FOLLOW EVENTS OF THOR: THE DARK WORLD

BY: ERIC GOLDMAN

NOVEMBER 1, 2013

While we may not see any of the main Avengers on Marvel Agents of SHIELD, we will indeed see how their actions continue to impact the world they exist in. As EW has noted, the description for the November 19th episode of SHIELD makes it clear that it will be directly following what occurs in Thor: The Dark World.

The network description reads, "In the aftermath of the events chronicled in the feature film Marvels Thor: The Dark World, Coulson and the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. pick up the piecesone of which threatens to destroy a member of the team.

The episode, called "The Well," is written by Monica Owusu-Breen (Lost, Fringe) and directed by Star Trek: The Next Generations's Jonathan Frakes. "The Well" will be airing less than two weeks after the November 8th opening of Thor: The Dark World in the US, but clearly, Marvel and ABC assume the core Marvel fans will have seen the movie by then.

Marvel have maintained their secrecy with Agents of SHIELD and been vague on how much we'd see the series tie directly into the Marvel films. It's hard not to presume that if an Agents of SHIELD episode is going to tie into Thor: The Dark World, we'll almost certainly see the show delve into what happens in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, whose story is already so SHIELD-centric.

I wish they had pushed it back until like after the DVD comes out.

VERY smart marketing aka . I had no plans to go see Thor until I read this. But now will end up going on opening weekend

Definitely a different idea for this medium. LOST tried using the Internet with some success. I'm not sure if any tv show has tried to... X-Files would have been awesome if the Internet was around back then. SHIELD is using their source material as well as movies to expand their universe. Breaking new ground here which is very interesting.

Heroes webcomics are the only other thing that comes close that I can think of.

Yeah, good one. But, Heroes fell hard so I forgot about it. Too bad too. Could have been something there.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Looks like Shield will follow a thread from Thor 2 coming up.

AGENTS OF SHIELD EPISODE TO FOLLOW EVENTS OF THOR: THE DARK WORLD

BY: ERIC GOLDMAN

NOVEMBER 1, 2013

While we may not see any of the main Avengers on Marvel Agents of SHIELD, we will indeed see how their actions continue to impact the world they exist in. As EW has noted, the description for the November 19th episode of SHIELD makes it clear that it will be directly following what occurs in Thor: The Dark World.

The network description reads, "In the aftermath of the events chronicled in the feature film Marvel’s Thor: The Dark World, Coulson and the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. pick up the pieces–one of which threatens to destroy a member of the team.”

The episode, called "The Well," is written by Monica Owusu-Breen (Lost, Fringe) and directed by Star Trek: The Next Generations's Jonathan Frakes. "The Well" will be airing less than two weeks after the November 8th opening of Thor: The Dark World in the US, but clearly, Marvel and ABC assume the core Marvel fans will have seen the movie by then.

Marvel have maintained their secrecy with Agents of SHIELD and been vague on how much we'd see the series tie directly into the Marvel films. It's hard not to presume that if an Agents of SHIELD episode is going to tie into Thor: The Dark World, we'll almost certainly see the show delve into what happens in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, whose story is already so SHIELD-centric.

I wish they had pushed it back until like after the DVD comes out.

With The Winter Solidier being very Shield centric, they probably could not wait as I assume they will also build off of that movie as well and that movie is being released in early April.

 

[FUBAR]

For those interested, a buddy puts on a decent podcast of this show. http://welcometolevelseven.com

 

[Psychopav]

Good episode last night. It would have been better if Simmons had died though.

They need to get superheros/villans involved here somehow, and regularly, or I don't think this is going to last. It feel like they are trying to avoid that because of the special effects budget, not for the sake of the story. This would never fly as a comic imo.

 

[FUBAR]

Good episode last night. It would have been better if Simmons had died though.

They need to get superheros/villans involved here somehow, and regularly, or I don't think this is going to last. It feel like they are trying to avoid that because of the special effects budget, not for the sake of the story. This would never fly as a comic imo.

It's been mentioned, but this is essentially X-Files meets U.N.C.L.E. I like it, and actually appreciate that they haven't gone down the road of using super villains yet.

totally disagree on whether Simmons should have died. She's one of my favorite characters.

Actually, if your point is that this episode (standing alone) would have been better... I can agree to that. But the show would lose out in the end. the way she was saved though was crap. Obviously we need to suspend disbelief in this show anyway, but that scene had me wanting to fast-forward and it was stolen from IM3.

 

[Psychopav]

Yes, this episode would have been better. I agree that her character is good for the show.

The muscle needs to go. If they try to put him in a romantic relationship with hot hacker they might just lose me. There is ZERO chemistry there imo.

 

[stbugs]

Yes, this episode would have been better. I agree that her character is good for the show.

The muscle needs to go. If they try to put him in a romantic relationship with hot hacker they might just lose me. There is ZERO chemistry there imo.

Agree with that sentiment completely. It seemed like they were going there for a bit, less so now. He is my least favorite character. I know he is supposed to be stoic, but the thing I like about most "agent" characters is their character. James Bond isn't a robot like this guy.

One interesting note was it seemed like Fitz was trying to hit on the hot hacker earlier in the episode. I think he is conjoined with Simmons, but that seems more platonic.

 

[packersfan]

Yes, this episode would have been better. I agree that her character is good for the show.

The muscle needs to go. If they try to put him in a romantic relationship with hot hacker they might just lose me. There is ZERO chemistry there imo.

Agree with that sentiment completely. It seemed like they were going there for a bit, less so now. He is my least favorite character. I know he is supposed to be stoic, but the thing I like about most "agent" characters is their character. James Bond isn't a robot like this guy.

One interesting note was it seemed like Fitz was trying to hit on the hot hacker earlier in the episode. I think he is conjoined with Simmons, but that seems more platonic.

This strikes me as one of those stupid Hollywood things where the guy is totally gaga over the new hot chick and doesn't give the time of day to the girl he sees every day even though that girl is also smoking hot. Yeah Chloe Bennett is crazy hot but Simmons is damn fine too. That English accent ...

I think the show's been solid so far. Nothing great but passable entertainment. Having 3 hot chicks definitely helps.

 

[dickey moe]

Yes, this episode would have been better. I agree that her character is good for the show.

The muscle needs to go. If they try to put him in a romantic relationship with hot hacker they might just lose me. There is ZERO chemistry there imo.

There is ZERO chemistry with all of the main characters.

 

[NewlyRetired]

While trying to give small hints of Coulson's issues they keep throwing tiny bits about May's back story.

We have mentioned this earlier in the thread but Ward may be one of the worst male characters in any of Whedon's tv work. I can't tell if its the actor because he has so little to work with in terms of story and lines.

 

[Rayderr]

Good episode last night. It would have been better if Simmons had died though.

They need to get superheros/villans involved here somehow, and regularly, or I don't think this is going to last. It feel like they are trying to avoid that because of the special effects budget, not for the sake of the story. This would never fly as a comic imo.

It's been mentioned, but this is essentially X-Files meets U.N.C.L.E. I like it, and actually appreciate that they haven't gone down the road of using super villains yet.

totally disagree on whether Simmons should have died. She's one of my favorite characters.

Actually, if your point is that this episode (standing alone) would have been better... I can agree to that. But the show would lose out in the end. the way she was saved though was crap. Obviously we need to suspend disbelief in this show anyway, but that scene had me wanting to fast-forward and it was stolen from IM3.

A minor re-write could've solved that so much better. They give the serum to the mouse. Mouse appears fine. Celebrate for a few minutes, then inject Simmons with the vaccine. Some time goes by and mouse starts floating to the top of the aquarium. From there, proceed as normal. Fitz sees mouse is still alive but can't tell Simmons on account of being locked in the lab. Simmons jumps. the crew mourns her inevitable death. But suddenly, near the end of her skydiving without a parachute, the shock ripples through her body, and she floats, saving her from death.

 

[Norman Paperman]

It is what it is - a modern day version of the A-Team.

Its kind of a fun show - in a campy kind of way. I do wish they would clean up the writing/story a little: too many hints about Coulson not being who he thinks he is - just out it, and be done with the not-so-sublte hints; each player on the team should have a specific role, and their skill set can help each week, but stop trying to have them cross-over into other skills (i.e. Skye is a hacker, not a field agent, don't try to make her be, or train to be, a field agent, just use her hacking skills once an episode to solve a problem); they probably should have made Rising Tide this season's main antagonist, while leaving clues that Skye may or may not be on their team, end of the season, they defeat Rising Tide, and next season another master villain appears. Maybe they are doing that with Centipede, but it seems like they wasted a good foil in Rising Tide.

 

[danielmclark]

Good episode last night. It would have been better if Simmons had died though.

They need to get superheros/villans involved here somehow, and regularly, or I don't think this is going to last. It feel like they are trying to avoid that because of the special effects budget, not for the sake of the story. This would never fly as a comic imo.

It's been mentioned, but this is essentially X-Files meets U.N.C.L.E. I like it, and actually appreciate that they haven't gone down the road of using super villains yet.

totally disagree on whether Simmons should have died. She's one of my favorite characters.

Actually, if your point is that this episode (standing alone) would have been better... I can agree to that. But the show would lose out in the end. the way she was saved though was crap. Obviously we need to suspend disbelief in this show anyway, but that scene had me wanting to fast-forward and it was stolen from IM3.

A minor re-write could've solved that so much better. They give the serum to the mouse. Mouse appears fine. Celebrate for a few minutes, then inject Simmons with the vaccine. Some time goes by and mouse starts floating to the top of the aquarium. From there, proceed as normal. Fitz sees mouse is still alive but can't tell Simmons on account of being locked in the lab. Simmons jumps. the crew mourns her inevitable death. But suddenly, near the end of her skydiving without a parachute, the shock ripples through her body, and she floats, saving her from death.

That would have been awesome.

 

[NCCommish]

It is what it is - a modern day version of the A-Team.

Its kind of a fun show - in a campy kind of way. I do wish they would clean up the writing/story a little: too many hints about Coulson not being who he thinks he is - just out it, and be done with the not-so-sublte hints; each player on the team should have a specific role, and their skill set can help each week, but stop trying to have them cross-over into other skills (i.e. Skye is a hacker, not a field agent, don't try to make her be, or train to be, a field agent, just use her hacking skills once an episode to solve a problem); they probably should have made Rising Tide this season's main antagonist, while leaving clues that Skye may or may not be on their team, end of the season, they defeat Rising Tide, and next season another master villain appears. Maybe they are doing that with Centipede, but it seems like they wasted a good foil in Rising Tide.

I really thought that's where they were going and I expected to see Skye have to decide at some penultimate moment whose side she was really on.

 

[stbugs]

Good episode last night. It would have been better if Simmons had died though.

They need to get superheros/villans involved here somehow, and regularly, or I don't think this is going to last. It feel like they are trying to avoid that because of the special effects budget, not for the sake of the story. This would never fly as a comic imo.

It's been mentioned, but this is essentially X-Files meets U.N.C.L.E. I like it, and actually appreciate that they haven't gone down the road of using super villains yet.

totally disagree on whether Simmons should have died. She's one of my favorite characters.

Actually, if your point is that this episode (standing alone) would have been better... I can agree to that. But the show would lose out in the end. the way she was saved though was crap. Obviously we need to suspend disbelief in this show anyway, but that scene had me wanting to fast-forward and it was stolen from IM3.

A minor re-write could've solved that so much better. They give the serum to the mouse. Mouse appears fine. Celebrate for a few minutes, then inject Simmons with the vaccine. Some time goes by and mouse starts floating to the top of the aquarium. From there, proceed as normal. Fitz sees mouse is still alive but can't tell Simmons on account of being locked in the lab. Simmons jumps. the crew mourns her inevitable death. But suddenly, near the end of her skydiving without a parachute, the shock ripples through her body, and she floats, saving her from death.

That would have been awesome.

Eh, it wouldn't have made any sense. The shock is what killed everyone before they could float. I guess they could have tried to explain it somehow, but as they showed it, they would have had to rewrite everything.

 

[Rayderr]

Good episode last night. It would have been better if Simmons had died though.

They need to get superheros/villans involved here somehow, and regularly, or I don't think this is going to last. It feel like they are trying to avoid that because of the special effects budget, not for the sake of the story. This would never fly as a comic imo.

It's been mentioned, but this is essentially X-Files meets U.N.C.L.E. I like it, and actually appreciate that they haven't gone down the road of using super villains yet.

totally disagree on whether Simmons should have died. She's one of my favorite characters.

Actually, if your point is that this episode (standing alone) would have been better... I can agree to that. But the show would lose out in the end. the way she was saved though was crap. Obviously we need to suspend disbelief in this show anyway, but that scene had me wanting to fast-forward and it was stolen from IM3.

A minor re-write could've solved that so much better. They give the serum to the mouse. Mouse appears fine. Celebrate for a few minutes, then inject Simmons with the vaccine. Some time goes by and mouse starts floating to the top of the aquarium. From there, proceed as normal. Fitz sees mouse is still alive but can't tell Simmons on account of being locked in the lab. Simmons jumps. the crew mourns her inevitable death. But suddenly, near the end of her skydiving without a parachute, the shock ripples through her body, and she floats, saving her from death.

That would have been awesome.

Eh, it wouldn't have made any sense. The shock is what killed everyone before they could float. I guess they could have tried to explain it somehow, but as they showed it, they would have had to rewrite everything.

as it was, the last mouse got the shock and started floating. Everyone thought the mouse was dead. Turns out the mouse was merely knocked unconscious. Hence the revelation by Fitz that the anti-serum did work and thus the reversed Point Break skydiving scene.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I suppose this is as good a thread as any to talk about the Marvel shows being developed for Netflix, which seem a lot more interesting on their face.

Daredevil, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones are all more interesting properties to begin with (not to mention the eventual Defenders miniseries at the end). And 13 episode runs cut out all the procedural of the week filler that has hurt Shield.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I suppose this is as good a thread as any to talk about the Marvel shows being developed for Netflix, which seem a lot more interesting on their face.

Daredevil, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones are all more interesting properties to begin with (not to mention the eventual Defenders miniseries at the end). And 13 episode runs cut out all the procedural of the week filler that has hurt Shield.

hmmm this sounds interesting

The Defenders I know are are mostly SubMariner, Valkyrie. Dr.Strange, the Beast. I dont really remember power man and iron fist as a big part of that series

 

[danielmclark]

The Defenders has had a rotating roster worthy of the Avengers (which seems to include every Marvel hero ever)... the original Defenders were Dr. Strange, Hulk, Namor and Silver Surfer, but a large number of heroes has rotated in over the years. The Thing, Valkyrie, Luke Cage, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, Hellcat, Black Panther, Beast, Angel, Iceman... there's been a lot.

 

[Rayderr]

The Defenders has had a rotating roster worthy of the Avengers (which seems to include every Marvel hero ever)... the original Defenders were Dr. Strange, Hulk, Namor and Silver Surfer, but a large number of heroes has rotated in over the years. The Thing, Valkyrie, Luke Cage, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, Hellcat, Black Panther, Beast, Angel, Iceman... there's been a lot.

Not all of them can be in the proposed project as the rights are still with other studios for some of the heroes.

 

[Insein]

Just blitz watched all episodes on my dvr. Missed the pilot though. So far its ok. Worth continuing knowing the subject material and universe. I wonder if they'll be allowed to bring some of the big guns in for a cameo at some point. Seeing Tony Stark have coffee with Coulson would be cool after all the interaction they had in IM2.

So I'm in for a bit. No expectations.

 

[Rayderr]

Just blitz watched all episodes on my dvr. Missed the pilot though. So far its ok. Worth continuing knowing the subject material and universe. I wonder if they'll be allowed to bring some of the big guns in for a cameo at some point. Seeing Tony Stark have coffee with Coulson would be cool after all the interaction they had in IM2.

So I'm in for a bit. No expectations.

Given that SHIELD was in development at the time RDjr agreed to a new contract to keep playing Ironman, I'd say there's a good chance a cameo was listed as one of the stipulations.

 

[(HULK)]

Just blitz watched all episodes on my dvr. Missed the pilot though. So far its ok. Worth continuing knowing the subject material and universe. I wonder if they'll be allowed to bring some of the big guns in for a cameo at some point. Seeing Tony Stark have coffee with Coulson would be cool after all the interaction they had in IM2.

So I'm in for a bit. No expectations.

Given that SHIELD was in development at the time RDjr agreed to a new contract to keep playing Ironman, I'd say there's a good chance a cameo was listed as one of the stipulations.

TheAvengers all think Colson is dead though

 

[Insein]

Just blitz watched all episodes on my dvr. Missed the pilot though. So far its ok. Worth continuing knowing the subject material and universe. I wonder if they'll be allowed to bring some of the big guns in for a cameo at some point. Seeing Tony Stark have coffee with Coulson would be cool after all the interaction they had in IM2.

So I'm in for a bit. No expectations.

Given that SHIELD was in development at the time RDjr agreed to a new contract to keep playing Ironman, I'd say there's a good chance a cameo was listed as one of the stipulations.

TheAvengers all think Colson is dead though

Pretty sure they could find out easy enough. Or would the captain america baseball card bonding scene mean less now that he's alive?

 

[Rayderr]

Just blitz watched all episodes on my dvr. Missed the pilot though. So far its ok. Worth continuing knowing the subject material and universe. I wonder if they'll be allowed to bring some of the big guns in for a cameo at some point. Seeing Tony Stark have coffee with Coulson would be cool after all the interaction they had in IM2.

So I'm in for a bit. No expectations.

Given that SHIELD was in development at the time RDjr agreed to a new contract to keep playing Ironman, I'd say there's a good chance a cameo was listed as one of the stipulations.

TheAvengers all think Colson is dead though

So it's impossible for them to find out?

 

[(HULK)]

Just blitz watched all episodes on my dvr. Missed the pilot though. So far its ok. Worth continuing knowing the subject material and universe. I wonder if they'll be allowed to bring some of the big guns in for a cameo at some point. Seeing Tony Stark have coffee with Coulson would be cool after all the interaction they had in IM2.

So I'm in for a bit. No expectations.

Given that SHIELD was in development at the time RDjr agreed to a new contract to keep playing Ironman, I'd say there's a good chance a cameo was listed as one of the stipulations.

TheAvengers all think Colson is dead though

So it's impossible for them to find out?

no, but I suspect shield isn't going out of its way to tell them, especially when his being alive is considered level 7 classified.

 

[FUBAR]

Just blitz watched all episodes on my dvr. Missed the pilot though. So far its ok. Worth continuing knowing the subject material and universe. I wonder if they'll be allowed to bring some of the big guns in for a cameo at some point. Seeing Tony Stark have coffee with Coulson would be cool after all the interaction they had in IM2.

So I'm in for a bit. No expectations.

Given that SHIELD was in development at the time RDjr agreed to a new contract to keep playing Ironman, I'd say there's a good chance a cameo was listed as one of the stipulations.

TheAvengers all think Colson is dead though

So it's impossible for them to find out?

no, but I suspect shield isn't going out of its way to tell them, especially when his being alive is considered level 7 classified.

Pretty sure black widow could find out quickly.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I enjoyed last night's episode, but I really feel like Ward's character is holding the show back. The guy has zero charisma and isn't pulling off the tough guy aspect oft he role either.

 

[danielmclark]

I liked it, too. It wasn't great, but I didn't feel like I wasted an hour, so that's good. Next week's show will tie-in with Thor, so that should be pretty cool.

I do feel bad about that sandwich, though. That sounded ####### delicious.

 

[OC Zed]

Ming-Na Wen is so ridiculously hot... and about to turn 50 years old. Wow.