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*** Official Marvels Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D (1 Viewer)

Tonight's episode reminded me how much better life is with Adrianne Palicki in it.

So, who is the super powered bad guy? Canon character or someone new?
Found my answer online. Spoiler.

His name is Lash. In the comics he's an Inhuman from a hidden city of them, who views some new Inhumans as not having powers worthy enough of being left alive.
 
I am pretty sure I made some sort of noise without knowing I did in the scene with Daisy in the tank top... glanced over to my wife and she was giving me a look. Chloe Bennett makes me happy.
LOL, this is not a show I watch with my wife. She's never been into fantasy/sci-fi shows, so I watched with my high schooler. Pretty sure he mad a noise, I know I did. Definitely showed off her assets.

 
Was the devastation on Washington DC from Avengers 2? I still haven't seen that yet :bag: but was curious where they were going with that. TIA

 
Um, did anyone else notice that Daisy/Skye looked like she gained 30 pounds in her thighs? They only show her from the waist down in a couple of shots when she has tank top on. Her thighs were huge.

 
Um, did anyone else notice that Daisy/Skye looked like she gained 30 pounds in her thighs? They only show her from the waist down in a couple of shots when she has tank top on. Her thighs were huge.
I googled some recent pappazzi type pics of her and there was only one thing wrong with those thighs.... I am not inbetween them.

 
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I for one, am glad they did not drag out the Simmons on a different planet thing.

I, for one, am also hoping that towards the end of the season, Hunter is successful in his mission. I am so tired of the storylines with that ##### of a target.

 
Mad Cow said:
I for one, am glad they did not drag out the Simmons on a different planet thing.

I, for one, am also hoping that towards the end of the season, Hunter is successful in his mission. I am so tired of the storylines with that ##### of a target.
Agreed. Get her back, didnt see any reason to drag that out.

Time for May and Hunter to kick some ####.

 
Mad Cow said:
I for one, am glad they did not drag out the Simmons on a different planet thing.

I, for one, am also hoping that towards the end of the season, Hunter is successful in his mission. I am so tired of the storylines with that ##### of a target.
Agreed. Get her back, didnt see any reason to drag that out.

Time for May and Hunter Skye to kick show some ####.
Fixed.

 
Mad Cow said:
I for one, am glad they did not drag out the Simmons on a different planet thing.

I, for one, am also hoping that towards the end of the season, Hunter is successful in his mission. I am so tired of the storylines with that ##### of a target.
Agreed. Get her back, didnt see any reason to drag that out.

Time for May and Hunter Skye to kick show some ####.
Fixed.
Daisy doesn't go by Skye any more.

 
I for one, am glad they did not drag out the Simmons on a different planet thing.

I, for one, am also hoping that towards the end of the season, Hunter is successful in his mission. I am so tired of the storylines with that ##### of a target.
Agreed. Get her back, didnt see any reason to drag that out.

Time for May and Hunter Skye to kick show some ####.
Fixed.
Daisy doesn't go by Skye any more.
#$%^&

 
Um, did anyone else notice that Daisy/Skye looked like she gained 30 pounds in her thighs? They only show her from the waist down in a couple of shots when she has tank top on. Her thighs were huge.
I googled some recent pappazzi type pics of her and there was only one thing wrong with those thighs.... I am not inbetween them.
She's crazy hot and seems like a real cool chick to boot. Might be the perfect girl.

 
I for one, am glad they did not drag out the Simmons on a different planet thing.

I, for one, am also hoping that towards the end of the season, Hunter is successful in his mission. I am so tired of the storylines with that ##### of a target.
Agreed. Get her back, didnt see any reason to drag that out.

Time for May and Hunter Skye to kick show some ####.
Fixed.
Daisy doesn't go by Skye any more.
Who cares what names she goes by, show me the ####!

 
I for one, am glad they did not drag out the Simmons on a different planet thing.

I, for one, am also hoping that towards the end of the season, Hunter is successful in his mission. I am so tired of the storylines with that ##### of a target.
Agreed. Get her back, didnt see any reason to drag that out.

Time for May and Hunter Skye to kick show some ####.
Fixed.
Daisy doesn't go by Skye any more.
Who cares what names she goes by, show me the ####!
Well Mack and Daisy for two.

 
Glad the show is back on... but I'm really not liking the direction of the Ward and Hydra thing.

In Winter Soldier and in Agents early on, Hydra was a worthy opponent for SHIELD. They were smart, subtle, an elite intelligence agency that managed to stay hidden within their opponent for decades. They were well-meaning people who thought the ruthless acts they committed were necessary for the good of the world. That made them scary. And cool.

And what are they becoming now on Agents of Shield? A bunch of stereotyped bikers, thugs and anarchists brawling in basements? Can you imagine Hydra having ever accomplished what they nearly did if they had recruited like that?

If Tyler Durden.. oops, I meant, Ward... wants to put his own group together like that, I wish they'd drop the Hydra name and just them make them their own new group. They are nothing like Hydra.

 
Glad the show is back on... but I'm really not liking the direction of the Ward and Hydra thing.

In Winter Soldier and in Agents early on, Hydra was a worthy opponent for SHIELD. They were smart, subtle, an elite intelligence agency that managed to stay hidden within their opponent for decades. They were well-meaning people who thought the ruthless acts they committed were necessary for the good of the world. That made them scary. And cool.

And what are they becoming now on Agents of Shield? A bunch of stereotyped bikers, thugs and anarchists brawling in basements? Can you imagine Hydra having ever accomplished what they nearly did if they had recruited like that?

If Tyler Durden.. oops, I meant, Ward... wants to put his own group together like that, I wish they'd drop the Hydra name and just them make them their own new group. They are nothing like Hydra.
It seems to me they are setting up an angle where Hydra grabs some of the "bad inhumans" to work with and Shield grabs some of the "good inhumans" to work with (assuming these story lines will start to merge).

I have no idea where the Gemma story line is going.

 
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NewlyRetired said:
Greg Russell said:
Glad the show is back on... but I'm really not liking the direction of the Ward and Hydra thing.

In Winter Soldier and in Agents early on, Hydra was a worthy opponent for SHIELD. They were smart, subtle, an elite intelligence agency that managed to stay hidden within their opponent for decades. They were well-meaning people who thought the ruthless acts they committed were necessary for the good of the world. That made them scary. And cool.

And what are they becoming now on Agents of Shield? A bunch of stereotyped bikers, thugs and anarchists brawling in basements? Can you imagine Hydra having ever accomplished what they nearly did if they had recruited like that?

If Tyler Durden.. oops, I meant, Ward... wants to put his own group together like that, I wish they'd drop the Hydra name and just them make them their own new group. They are nothing like Hydra.
It seems to me they are setting up an angle where Hydra grabs some of the "bad inhumans" to work with and Shield grabs some of the "good inhumans" to work with (assuming these story lines will start to merge).

I have no idea where the Gemma story line is going.
Pure guess, shes going back for a guy who helped keep her alive on the alien planet (someone else who entered the obelisk). Maybe time doesn't pass the same way and it's the British guy from the 1800s.

 
Greg Russell said:
Glad the show is back on... but I'm really not liking the direction of the Ward and Hydra thing.

In Winter Soldier and in Agents early on, Hydra was a worthy opponent for SHIELD. They were smart, subtle, an elite intelligence agency that managed to stay hidden within their opponent for decades. They were well-meaning people who thought the ruthless acts they committed were necessary for the good of the world. That made them scary. And cool.

And what are they becoming now on Agents of Shield? A bunch of stereotyped bikers, thugs and anarchists brawling in basements? Can you imagine Hydra having ever accomplished what they nearly did if they had recruited like that?

If Tyler Durden.. oops, I meant, Ward... wants to put his own group together like that, I wish they'd drop the Hydra name and just them make them their own new group. They are nothing like Hydra.
It's been too long, but i dont remember Hydra being well meaning and caring about the good of the world. Weren't they basically another form of the Nazis?

 
GordonGekko said:
Um, did anyone else notice that Daisy/Skye looked like she gained 30 pounds in her thighs? They only show her from the waist down in a couple of shots when she has tank top on. Her thighs were huge.
Not sure Joss Whedon is all too subtle about his casting couch.

Amy Acker

Cobie Smulders

Summer Glau

Chloe Bennett

If you are white with an "asian" look ( and I guess being Canadian helps), even if you are unknown, and even if your acting is atrocious, you can suck your way to a feature part.

Bennett had the advantage of actually being half Asian in this case.

I guess being a show runner is like picking fruit at a farmers market.
Yeah, when I think of having an "Asian" look, Acker and Smulders are at the top of my list!!! Next up for Whedon's "casting couch": Jessica Chastain and Dakota Fanning, amirite??? Liz Olsen really screams Asian to me as well. Outstanding post, brah!!

 
GordonGekko said:
Um, did anyone else notice that Daisy/Skye looked like she gained 30 pounds in her thighs? They only show her from the waist down in a couple of shots when she has tank top on. Her thighs were huge.
Not sure Joss Whedon is all too subtle about his casting couch.

Amy Acker

Cobie Smulders

Summer Glau

Chloe Bennett

If you are white with an "asian" look ( and I guess being Canadian helps), even if you are unknown, and even if your acting is atrocious, you can suck your way to a feature part.

Bennett had the advantage of actually being half Asian in this case.

I guess being a show runner is like picking fruit at a farmers market.
Please give the keys to this alias back to someone with talent.

 
NewlyRetired said:
Greg Russell said:
Glad the show is back on... but I'm really not liking the direction of the Ward and Hydra thing.

In Winter Soldier and in Agents early on, Hydra was a worthy opponent for SHIELD. They were smart, subtle, an elite intelligence agency that managed to stay hidden within their opponent for decades. They were well-meaning people who thought the ruthless acts they committed were necessary for the good of the world. That made them scary. And cool.

And what are they becoming now on Agents of Shield? A bunch of stereotyped bikers, thugs and anarchists brawling in basements? Can you imagine Hydra having ever accomplished what they nearly did if they had recruited like that?

If Tyler Durden.. oops, I meant, Ward... wants to put his own group together like that, I wish they'd drop the Hydra name and just them make them their own new group. They are nothing like Hydra.
It seems to me they are setting up an angle where Hydra grabs some of the "bad inhumans" to work with and Shield grabs some of the "good inhumans" to work with (assuming these story lines will start to merge).

I have no idea where the Gemma story line is going.
Pure guess, shes going back for a guy who helped keep her alive on the alien planet (someone else who entered the obelisk). Maybe time doesn't pass the same way and it's the British guy from the 1800s.
Guess, maybe, but a great one. Could be the descendants of the English guys who entered and never came back, too. I assume they can do a bioscan on Jemma and see if she aged the full six months.

 
Greg Russell said:
Glad the show is back on... but I'm really not liking the direction of the Ward and Hydra thing.

In Winter Soldier and in Agents early on, Hydra was a worthy opponent for SHIELD. They were smart, subtle, an elite intelligence agency that managed to stay hidden within their opponent for decades. They were well-meaning people who thought the ruthless acts they committed were necessary for the good of the world. That made them scary. And cool.

And what are they becoming now on Agents of Shield? A bunch of stereotyped bikers, thugs and anarchists brawling in basements? Can you imagine Hydra having ever accomplished what they nearly did if they had recruited like that?

If Tyler Durden.. oops, I meant, Ward... wants to put his own group together like that, I wish they'd drop the Hydra name and just them make them their own new group. They are nothing like Hydra.
It's been too long, but i dont remember Hydra being well meaning and caring about the good of the world. Weren't they basically another form of the Nazis?
Well, the 1940s were, yes. They were a science division of the Nazis, led by Red Skull who took the super soldier formula which takes what is in you and makes it even more so. Steve Rogers was noble and loyal and selfless and became more so. Red Skull was a fanatical zealot and became more so and Hydra reflected it.

But I was talking more about the Winter Soldier movie-era Hydra. Remember the stuff from Robert Redford's character? He wasn't a Nazi zealot, he was a patriotic American in his own mind, who believed a hard line needed to be taken against bad guys after he saw how diplomacy failed in the hostage situation involving his daughter, where a young Nick Fury ignored orders and went and freed them anyway.

Making the 3 helicarriers to wipe out opposition obviously wasn't a good act, but they felt the killings were a worthwhile cost to get the world to a place it would actually be safe. I'm saying their motivations weren't entirely selfish desire for power and world domination like the 1940s Hydra.

And both are a bit different than Ward's bikerfest Fight Club.

 
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Yeah, the Fight Club stuff is a little dumb, maybe they are just using that for foot soldiers. They did make a point of saying all the leadership has been wiped out, plus Shield and the Avengers have destroyed most of their infrastructure. Hydra is mostly starting from scratch and a handful of leftovers.

 
Glad the show is back on... but I'm really not liking the direction of the Ward and Hydra thing.

In Winter Soldier and in Agents early on, Hydra was a worthy opponent for SHIELD. They were smart, subtle, an elite intelligence agency that managed to stay hidden within their opponent for decades. They were well-meaning people who thought the ruthless acts they committed were necessary for the good of the world. That made them scary. And cool.

And what are they becoming now on Agents of Shield? A bunch of stereotyped bikers, thugs and anarchists brawling in basements? Can you imagine Hydra having ever accomplished what they nearly did if they had recruited like that?

If Tyler Durden.. oops, I meant, Ward... wants to put his own group together like that, I wish they'd drop the Hydra name and just them make them their own new group. They are nothing like Hydra.
It's been too long, but i dont remember Hydra being well meaning and caring about the good of the world. Weren't they basically another form of the Nazis?
Well, the 1940s were, yes. They were a science division of the Nazis, led by Red Skull who took the super soldier formula which takes what is in you and makes it even more so. Steve Rogers was noble and loyal and selfless and became more so. Red Skull was a fanatical zealot and became more so and Hydra reflected it.

But I was talking more about the Winter Soldier movie-era Hydra. Remember the stuff from Robert Redford's character? He wasn't a Nazi zealot, he was a patriotic American in his own mind, who believed a hard line needed to be taken against bad guys after he saw how diplomacy failed in the hostage situation involving his daughter, where a young Nick Fury ignored orders and went and freed them anyway.

Making the 3 helicarriers to wipe out opposition obviously wasn't a good act, but they felt the killings were a worthwhile cost to get the world to a place it would actually be safe. I'm saying their motivations weren't entirely selfish desire for power and world domination like the 1940s Hydra.

And both are a bit different than Ward's bikerfest Fight Club.
Um, I don't know if you caught this in Winter Soldier, but the plan wasn't just to take out bad guys with those helicarriers. They were going to wipe out millions of people. Terrorists, potential terrorists, anyone who might oppose Hydra in the future, etc. In the Nazi era, the idea was to use WWII to dominate the world, robbing the people of their freedom, and using an iron fist to bring about order and "peace" worldwide. They said their mistake was trying to impose this on humanity - when you try to force it on people, they resist and fight back. So the new idea was to scare humanity into willingly implementing project Insight, which would give Hydra control over the world and allow them to use an iron fist to bring about "peace" and order. This was showing how people are willing to sacrifice personal liberty for security.

But the real thing about Hydra is the whole idea that you cut off one head and two take its place. Hydra's personality/goals can change depending on who is running Hydra at any given time. When the head is cut off, two new ones spring up, and they can have different ideas than the one they replaced.

 
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I liked the episode as well.

I have one minor question.

Was it lazy writing or was it a hint of something that may come when Jemma asked Will the obvious question of "how did you know the planet was habitable before going though the portal?" and Will said "that was a pay grade above his".....?

 
Yes very good. But telegraphed too much they would hookup. Gotta keep Fitz and Gemma apart somehow, right?

There's definitely much more going on here that will start to play out slowly... The above the paygrade quip, finding the graveyard of people who have visited, dude obviously knew more than he told Gemma, that Nasa sent a full team there with equipment, whatever that monster was (that is linked to Inhumans somehow.)

Really liked the opening, dropped the normal titlecard, a long, long intro of Simmons on the planet instead of normal quick commercial break. Looking forward to the rest of this season.

 
I liked the episode as well.

I have one minor question.

Was it lazy writing or was it a hint of something that may come when Jemma asked Will the obvious question of "how did you know the planet was habitable before going though the portal?" and Will said "that was a pay grade above his".....?
Well, the name that Will thought fit the shadowy figure best was "Death"... which was also the Hebrew word on the scroll that Fitz found, and again adorning the wall of the castle where they had the portal control device.

Which could just be a big coincidence, or could indicate someone has returned from it before, or at least was able to communicate back. With the steam punk portal control device that should have been possible, but then the Hebrew scroll was ancient by comparison so that wouldn't explain their choice of the word unless some time travel was involved too.

 
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One of the best episodes of the series. Just like X-Files, sometimes when you leave the arc story and just explore the possibilities of the universe you're creating, that's when the best stuff happens.

 
Greg Russell said:
NewlyRetired said:
I liked the episode as well.

I have one minor question.

Was it lazy writing or was it a hint of something that may come when Jemma asked Will the obvious question of "how did you know the planet was habitable before going though the portal?" and Will said "that was a pay grade above his".....?
Well, the name that Will thought fit the shadowy figure best was "Death"... which was also the Hebrew word on the scroll that Fitz found, and again adorning the wall of the castle where they had the portal control device.

Which could just be a big coincidence, or could indicate someone has returned from it before, or at least was able to communicate back. With the steam punk portal control device that should have been possible, but then the Hebrew scroll was ancient by comparison so that wouldn't explain their choice of the word unless some time travel was involved too.
I bet at the bottom of one of Will's caves there is a giant wheel that just needs to be turned and you can be transported back, also he needs to keep typing numbers into his computer to keep death away...

 
Buckna said:
Yes very good. But telegraphed too much they would hookup.
They were together for six months, just them two. I would think most would hook-up being the only two together for six months.

 
I know they wanted the astronaut to be young enough to seem plausible to hook up with Gemma but he must have been a VERY young astronaut when he first went through the portal 15 years ago, unless the planet did not age him the same way as he would have on earth.

 
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I know they wanted the astronaut to be young enough to seem plausible to hook up with Gemma but he must have been a VERY young astronaut when he first went through the portal 15 years ago, unless the planet did not age him the same way as he would have on earth.
I thought the same thing when I was watching it. Looked him up just now, the actor is 32. Best case the oldest I'd have believed was maybe 35-37, so 15 years is difficult to believe.

I've heard some theories about which planet it is (in spoiler) and don't know if aging differently is an option with it.

Have seen it suggested it's a living planet named Ego, which in the comics has two prominent moons, one much larger than the other and pictured close together like what she saw in the sky... has moods, the ability to change its surface, and has created human-like creatures on itself to do things, and can move around so doesn't need to be near a star.
Another option would be it isn't the real Will (assuming there was a real Will). Maybe this Death thing is some kind of entity, and Will is an opposing entity. Someone who, to protect Gemma from Death, took the form of some NASA dude who actually did once come through the portal but is dead now. If so, the disparity with his age could be an intentional clue from the writers. Maybe Gemma and Fitz will go back only to find the real Will's remains somewhere. If it was something like that, it would make options for explaining the sunrise and his lack of reacting to it how you'd expect Will would have.

More in spoiler on that, going back to the stuff about the planet.

I don't know enough about Ego to know it's motivations. Anyone know if making both the Death and Will entities for her to interact with would be in line with them? Or maybe Death really is something else (like Death herself)?
 
Why does fitz keep getting screwed

Jemma finally realizes she should be shagging Fitz, and she gets stranded on some distant planet and falls for an astronaut

WTH

Fitz wants to get him some Jemma, make it happen!

or if not let him have a wild asgardian romp with Sif or something

 
B-Deep said:
Why does fitz keep getting screwed

Jemma finally realizes she should be shagging Fitz, and she gets stranded on some distant planet and falls for an astronaut

WTH

Fitz wants to get him some Jemma, make it happen!

or if not let him have a wild asgardian romp with Sif or something
damn right

 

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