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*** Official Michael Turner 2007 offseason thread *** (2 Viewers)

I say that the chances a team trades a 1st round pick for Turner are 0%. It wont happen! If a team offers a 2nd rounder to the Chargers for him they should pounce because that would be a steal. 62.5 rushing yards per game!!! That is all a running back needs to avg. for a 1,000 yard season. You don't need to give up a 1st rounder to get production at Running Back.
:lmao: I'm not a huge fan of any of the RBs in this class after Lynch and Peterson. If my team was in position where the addition of Turner > BPA to my team then I could justify it. It really depends on the talent for that particular draft class.
If it was my pick and would have a choice of picking Lynch or trade that pick for Turner no doubt ( By 25 miles ) i will trade the pick.Peterson is a first round selection at any draft but Lynch should be a 2nd or third rounder nothing special.
 
Peterson is a first round selection at any draft but Lynch should be a 2nd or third rounder nothing special.
I disagree completely. Lynch is going to be a better back than many RBs taken in the 1st in previous years (except 2005 which was unique at the top for RBs). While the 4 taken last year look good, I'd compare Lynch favorably to all but Bush, at draft time anyway.

 
I've merged a few threads.

There's also another monster Michael Turner thread here. I will leave that one and this one as separate threads, however.

 
Chargers' Turner being pursued by Bills, Cowboys, Titans, Jets

By Kevin Acee

STAFF WRITER

March 31, 2007

The Chargers are dealing with four suitors for backup running back Michael Turner, sources said, and Turner's agent has spoken with at least one of those teams in hopes of getting a long-term deal done.

Buffalo, Dallas, Tennessee and the New York Jets have shown interest in acquiring the restricted free agent. All appear willing to part at least with a first-round draft pick, but sources indicated the Chargers are still seeking two picks – in the first and third rounds.

The New York Giants, who need a running back, also could enter the fray before next month's draft. A source said yesterday that contrary to numerous media reports, the Green Bay Packers have not shown interest in Turner.

Turner and his agent, Bus Cook, will have much say in where Turner ends up. No team is going to give up draft picks for Turner, 25, without first securing a long-term deal with him.

“I know in our mind what it's going to take to get him signed,” Cook said yesterday.

The agent denied contact with any teams, but multiple sources said he had spoken with at least one of the interested clubs. That is believed to be the Bills, who pick 12th in the first round and have two third-round picks.

The tender the Chargers placed on Turner earlier this month requires any team that signs him to a free-agent deal to give the Chargers a first-and a third-round pick. The Chargers would also have the right to match any offer Turner received, but with league MVP LaDainian Tomlinson as their starting tailback, they would instead take the draft picks.

As General Manager A.J. Smith knew it would be, the first-and-third tender has been too steep for potential suitors. While Smith is content to keep Turner (at a cost of $2.35 million for the 2007 season) as a fill-in and insurance, he is willing to trade Turner for the right price.

According to sources, the Chargers could be open to a first-rounder this year and a third-rounder next year, or a third this year and a first next year. Any team signing Turner as a free agent would have to give up the first and third in this year's draft, which would nearly wipe out the first day of its draft.

Smith declined to comment other than to say the price “is a one and a three right now. I'm flexible to all thoughts.”

Turner has not been attending the Chargers' voluntary workouts the past two weeks for fear of injuring himself before a trade can be worked out.

The Chargers would lose Turner for virtually nothing after the '07 season. On the other side, Turner and Cook also must decide whether they want to risk injury while playing out this season.

Rivers progress

Philip Rivers is limping but doing it in a tennis shoe, and he expects to be full-go at the team's minicamp the first weekend of May.

“I'm doing everything but run,” he said of his participation in the team's voluntary workouts. “I could run, but there's no reason to push it.”

Rivers, who sprained his right foot in the regular-season finale and reinjured it in the team's playoff game, was in a cast for more than a month and then a protective boot until March 16.

“I was a little nervous because you never know,” Rivers said. “But I 100 percent will be ready by May 4.”
 
Why on earth would the Jets trade a 1st with Thomas Jones and Leon Washington already rostered??
They loved Turner before getting Jones, and they were the team that traded a first for Doug Jolly, but I don't think theres a chance Turner goes there now. It would be funny to see Jones's reaction though.
 
Why on earth would the Jets trade a 1st with Thomas Jones and Leon Washington already rostered??
Why would the Bears spend a first on Cedric Benson with Thomas Jones already rostered?I'm not saying the Jets are seriously considering trading a first for Michael Turner. But just because they already have Thomas Jones wouldn't necessarily stop them if they believe Turner would be an upgrade.
 
From Rotoworld:

Michael Turner-RB- Chargers Mar. 31 - 8:55 pm et

The Dallas Morning News reports the Cowboys are not serious about acquiring Chargers restricted free agent Michael Turner.

A story in Saturday morning's San Diego Union-Tribune reported Dallas and the Jets have been talking with the Bolts about Turner. Both seem far less likely landing spots than Buffalo, Tennessee, or Green Bay.

Source: Dallas Morning News

 
Garts said:
Why on earth would the Jets trade a 1st with Thomas Jones and Leon Washington already rostered??
that tiny contract jones signed probably makes him great trade bait. If they got Turner they could regain a pick (lesser but an OK pick) via a trade for Jones. He might fetch a 3rd but probably 4th IMO. The small contract is just really :goodposting: it's hard to gauge
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Garts said:
Why on earth would the Jets trade a 1st with Thomas Jones and Leon Washington already rostered??
Why would the Bears spend a first on Cedric Benson with Thomas Jones already rostered?I'm not saying the Jets are seriously considering trading a first for Michael Turner. But just because they already have Thomas Jones wouldn't necessarily stop them if they believe Turner would be an upgrade.
They also have Leon Washington who will get at least 35% of the work...so if this were the case... TJ gets 30% and Michael Turner gets the other 35%?? :unsure:yep, that'll work..
 
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They also have Leon Washington who will get at least 35% of the work...so if this were the case... TJ gets 30% and Michael Turner gets the other 35%??
Where in the world did you come up with this?
A previous poster said that the Bears drafted Cedric benson with Thomas Jones already there. So he went on to say that the Jets would still go after MT with Jones AND Washington already in NY.How do these guys all share the ball?? They would all play...no?
 
Its pretty simple, Michael "Burner" Turner will go to either:

1.) Buffalo for ONE of their 3rd Rounders, most likely #76 overall. (There is NO way a team will part with a #1 and I highly doubt the bills will give away #43 overall.

2.) Titans will get em with their 3rd (#82). Again the Titans 2nd round pick, #50, I just dont see teams parting with this high of a pick.

We have not seen teams part with high picks easily and IMO, over value them, but that is the case untill the Texans started throwing their 2nd rounders around.

**Again, IMO he's a Buffalo Bill and will be a Top 10 back, around 7-10th best in the 2007 season and a 1st round Fantasy pick.

 
If Turner gets dealt for a 3rd, I bet the team trading for him will have to throw in a pick in 2008.

 
They also have Leon Washington who will get at least 35% of the work...so if this were the case... TJ gets 30% and Michael Turner gets the other 35%??
Where in the world did you come up with this?
A previous poster said that the Bears drafted Cedric benson with Thomas Jones already there. So he went on to say that the Jets would still go after MT with Jones AND Washington already in NY.How do these guys all share the ball?? They would all play...no?
So what makes you think that Washington, who is probably the weakest of those backs has to get at least 35% of the carries?Teams expect that everyone they acquire will contribute, but they don't necessarily expect them all to contribute equally, and they rarely expect the least talented to get the most work.
 
They also have Leon Washington who will get at least 35% of the work...so if this were the case... TJ gets 30% and Michael Turner gets the other 35%??
Where in the world did you come up with this?
A previous poster said that the Bears drafted Cedric benson with Thomas Jones already there. So he went on to say that the Jets would still go after MT with Jones AND Washington already in NY.How do these guys all share the ball?? They would all play...no?
Washington is nothing special just a third down back ( If Houston Cedric had stayed healthy last season he would have been starting ) to me Houston is the second best RB in NY jets land.
 
"The latest Green Bay trade talk" reportedly has the Packers sending the No. 16 pick to San Diego for Michael Turner and the No. 30 choice.

A Turner rumor that actually makes sense. The Bills and Titans may also have interest in acquiring the Chargers' restricted free agent backup.

Source: Trenton Times

That would be a steal ( for the Packers ) of course.

 
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The rumor is that SD is trying to trade Turner for swapping 1st round picks. If Tennessee swapped the 19th for the 30th, the point differential on the pick value chart they use is 255. That is the same value as pick 67, the third pick in the 3rd round. If Buffalo swaps their 12th for SD's 30th, the difference is 580, equivalent to the first pick in the 2nd round. If GB swaps their 12th pick, the difference would be 380 equal to pick 52, the 21st pick in round 2.

The price seems too high for all but the Titans.

 
The rumor is that SD is trying to trade Turner for swapping 1st round picks. If Tennessee swapped the 19th for the 30th, the point differential on the pick value chart they use is 255. That is the same value as pick 67, the third pick in the 3rd round. If Buffalo swaps their 12th for SD's 30th, the difference is 580, equivalent to the first pick in the 2nd round. If GB swaps their 12th pick, the difference would be 380 equal to pick 52, the 21st pick in round 2. The price seems too high for all but the Titans.
Too high? For GB?Lets see...draft Lynch at 16....and thats all you get.Or move down...essentially like drafting Turner at 16, and oh...get to draft at #30.Its a steal at that position for Green Bay.
 
The rumor is that SD is trying to trade Turner for swapping 1st round picks. If Tennessee swapped the 19th for the 30th, the point differential on the pick value chart they use is 255. That is the same value as pick 67, the third pick in the 3rd round. If Buffalo swaps their 12th for SD's 30th, the difference is 580, equivalent to the first pick in the 2nd round. If GB swaps their 12th pick, the difference would be 380 equal to pick 52, the 21st pick in round 2. The price seems too high for all but the Titans.
Too high? For GB?Lets see...draft Lynch at 16....and thats all you get.Or move down...essentially like drafting Turner at 16, and oh...get to draft at #30.Its a steal at that position for Green Bay.
:lmao:
 
From Rotoworld:

Michael Turner-RB- Chargers Mar. 31 - 8:55 pm et

The Dallas Morning News reports the Cowboys are not serious about acquiring Chargers restricted free agent Michael Turner.

A story in Saturday morning's San Diego Union-Tribune reported Dallas and the Jets have been talking with the Bolts about Turner. Both seem far less likely landing spots than Buffalo, Tennessee, or Green Bay.

Source: Dallas Morning News
Sloppy wording by Rotoworld. The Dallas Morning News didn't "report" anything on this subject. One of their writers gave his opinion on a blog.
 
It's not like Turner is so much more proven than Morency.
I don't think many NFL personnel guys would rank Turner and Morency very close together.

FWIW, I personally think Turner is one of the top five runners in the league. (I say "runners" instead of "RBs" because he seems pretty limited as a receiver.)
Really? Top 5 runners in the league? Seriously?
Seriously. I think he's roughly on par with LT and LJ.
I think Turner has much to prove before he is put into that category. There is a good chance that he will become a starting caliber NFL running back, but he certainly hasn't proven it yet. Too small of a sample size to say for sure.
Sufficiency of sample size depends on variance within the population. For example, a running back can very easily get anywhere from -1 yard to 20+ yards on a particular run, so you can't reliably estimate a guy's "true" (i.e., long-term) YPC from a smallish sample of runs. Turner has 157 regular-season NFL carries. That's not tiny, but I agree that it's way smaller than ideal to extrapolate from.But not everything has such a large variance. A player's time in the 40 will generally be within a few hundredths of a second each time that he runs. So if you time a guy running a 4.3 even just once, you wouldn't say that the sample size is too small to conclude that he's really fast.

The less variance there is in the thing you're measuring, the smaller sample you need in order to draw conclusions.

My opinion that Turner is a great runner isn't really based on his YPC. It's based on the skills I see when I watch him run.

He's got very good power and is exceedingly difficult to bring down. That's not the kind of thing where there's a lot of variance -- as if a guy will break four tackles on half his runs and go down with a weak arm tackle on the other half. I am very confident, even after watching Turner carry the ball fewer than 200 times, that he has great power, great balance, and great determination. He consistently gets yards after contact, and that's not a small-sample-size fluke the way his YPC might be.

Similarly, I am very impressed with his ability to read and anticipate his blocks and find the hole. Again, I think I've seen enough of it from him to conclude that it's not a fluke.

And he has very good speed. He ran a 4.42 at the combine (I think Tomlinson ran a 4.41), and has shown his speed on a number of break-away runs and kickoff returns in the NFL. Not a fluke.

So if I were just going by YPC, I'd agree that the sample size is smaller than ideal. But I'm really not going by YPC. I'm going by skills that generally have less run-to-run variance, and can therefore be evaluated pretty reliably, IMO, even with just 157 career regular-season carries. (And he's consistently shown the same skills in the preseason as well.)
I just wanted to bump this so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle here. When Maurile speaks that highly about a player, I listen. And the bolded stuff above made my jaw drop.
 
The way I look at it - the Packers have a few needs. It makes the most sense to swap picks with the Chargers and then get to pick again at 30 and then again at 16 in round 2.

If that is indeed the case - the Packers make out much better than if they drafted Lynch alone at 16.

Jsut to play out one scenerio - 16 - traded to chargers for Mike Turner.

1.30 - Dwayne Jarrett - gives them the guy who can go up and get the ball in the endzone.

2.15 - BPA

 
I'd like to see a deal go thru. I'm thinking they want more than a 16th for 30th swap for Turner. I think a top so many picks for 30th swap is what was meant there.

I'd llllllove to see the Pats do this with one of their picks then. I'm pretty confident the Bolts would never go for that.

If you google some turner stuff you'll see the Jets have had an interest for quite a while. Not quite sure how to take that just interesting how one team is always in the talks of rumorred trades and such.

 
According to Rafael Vela of The Boys Blog, it was a real inquiry. The basis of the inquiry (true interest, kicking the tires, stirring up interest in their own RB as trade bait) isn't known, but they are looking at Turner.

Maurile Tremblay said:
From Rotoworld:

Michael Turner-RB- Chargers Mar. 31 - 8:55 pm et

The Dallas Morning News reports the Cowboys are not serious about acquiring Chargers restricted free agent Michael Turner.

A story in Saturday morning's San Diego Union-Tribune reported Dallas and the Jets have been talking with the Bolts about Turner. Both seem far less likely landing spots than Buffalo, Tennessee, or Green Bay.

Source: Dallas Morning News
Sloppy wording by Rotoworld. The Dallas Morning News didn't "report" anything on this subject. One of their writers gave his opinion on a blog.
 
According to Rafael Vela of The Boys Blog, it was a real inquiry. The basis of the inquiry (true interest, kicking the tires, stirring up interest in their own RB as trade bait) isn't known, but they are looking at Turner.

Maurile Tremblay said:
From Rotoworld:

Michael Turner-RB- Chargers Mar. 31 - 8:55 pm et

The Dallas Morning News reports the Cowboys are not serious about acquiring Chargers restricted free agent Michael Turner.

A story in Saturday morning's San Diego Union-Tribune reported Dallas and the Jets have been talking with the Bolts about Turner. Both seem far less likely landing spots than Buffalo, Tennessee, or Green Bay.

Source: Dallas Morning News
Sloppy wording by Rotoworld. The Dallas Morning News didn't "report" anything on this subject. One of their writers gave his opinion on a blog.
Wade Phillips connection?
 
I just wanted to bump this so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle here. When Maurile speaks that highly about a player, I listen. And the bolded stuff above made my jaw drop.
So either Cam/Shotty are complete morons, or Maurile is talking out of his ###. You'd think after 3 years, the Chargers would realize they had another elite runner on their team. So explain then, why1) Neal got more touches then Turner in the biggest game of the year2) Why LT carried the ball MORE (over 400 touches) then previous years3) Chargers made no attempt to involve Turner in the offense.You'd think they'd put them both on the field at the same time. Split LT out? Match him up with a LB in the slot? Save some wear and tear on LT and let Turner "elite runner" take some of the load? Reggie Bush sucks at running the ball, he's a RB, and they still worked him into the offense. Deuce/Bush both got a ton of touches. Again, either the Chargers are more or less completely clueless to Turners elite ability, or it's all internet scouts hyping him up. You simple don't sit on an elite weapon, and call more plays for Lorenzo Neal in the biggest game of the year. Holmes was the best RB in the league, his coach loved him, but LJ was so good you couldn't justify keeping him on the sidelines most of the game. With the move to RBBCs, LT breaking down in the 2nd half of 04-05, it's surprising they'd ride LT even harder with an elite weapon waiting in the wings.Bottom line is the Chargers did not use Turner like he was an elite runner. In fact, he got the normal work load an average backup in the NFL gets. Things that make you go hmmm.
 
I just wanted to bump this so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle here. When Maurile speaks that highly about a player, I listen. And the bolded stuff above made my jaw drop.
So either Cam/Shotty are complete morons, or Maurile is talking out of his ###. You'd think after 3 years, the Chargers would realize they had another elite runner on their team. So explain then, why1) Neal got more touches then Turner in the biggest game of the year2) Why LT carried the ball MORE (over 400 touches) then previous years3) Chargers made no attempt to involve Turner in the offense.You'd think they'd put them both on the field at the same time. Split LT out? Match him up with a LB in the slot? Save some wear and tear on LT and let Turner "elite runner" take some of the load? Reggie Bush sucks at running the ball, he's a RB, and they still worked him into the offense. Deuce/Bush both got a ton of touches. Again, either the Chargers are more or less completely clueless to Turners elite ability, or it's all internet scouts hyping him up. You simple don't sit on an elite weapon, and call more plays for Lorenzo Neal in the biggest game of the year. Holmes was the best RB in the league, his coach loved him, but LJ was so good you couldn't justify keeping him on the sidelines most of the game. With the move to RBBCs, LT breaking down in the 2nd half of 04-05, it's surprising they'd ride LT even harder with an elite weapon waiting in the wings.Bottom line is the Chargers did not use Turner like he was an elite runner. In fact, he got the normal work load an average backup in the NFL gets. Things that make you go hmmm.
Well Marty and Cam are no longer there. Thus more touches for Neal than Turner, though they play different positionsLT is perhaps the best RB of all time, not enough carries there to give.Tons of Turner hype
 
I just wanted to bump this so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle here. When Maurile speaks that highly about a player, I listen. And the bolded stuff above made my jaw drop.
So either Cam/Shotty are complete morons, or Maurile is talking out of his ###. You'd think after 3 years, the Chargers would realize they had another elite runner on their team. So explain then, why1) Neal got more touches then Turner in the biggest game of the year2) Why LT carried the ball MORE (over 400 touches) then previous years3) Chargers made no attempt to involve Turner in the offense.You'd think they'd put them both on the field at the same time. Split LT out? Match him up with a LB in the slot? Save some wear and tear on LT and let Turner "elite runner" take some of the load? Reggie Bush sucks at running the ball, he's a RB, and they still worked him into the offense. Deuce/Bush both got a ton of touches. Again, either the Chargers are more or less completely clueless to Turners elite ability, or it's all internet scouts hyping him up. You simple don't sit on an elite weapon, and call more plays for Lorenzo Neal in the biggest game of the year. Holmes was the best RB in the league, his coach loved him, but LJ was so good you couldn't justify keeping him on the sidelines most of the game. With the move to RBBCs, LT breaking down in the 2nd half of 04-05, it's surprising they'd ride LT even harder with an elite weapon waiting in the wings.Bottom line is the Chargers did not use Turner like he was an elite runner. In fact, he got the normal work load an average backup in the NFL gets. Things that make you go hmmm.
Well Marty and Cam are no longer there. Thus more touches for Neal than Turner, though they play different positionsLT is perhaps the best RB of all time, not enough carries there to give.Tons of Turner hype
As for why Turner didn't get a lot of touches for the season, he was hurt for several weeks. And when MT was available, LT was playing out of his mind (even more so than usual).
 
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I just wanted to bump this so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle here. When Maurile speaks that highly about a player, I listen. And the bolded stuff above made my jaw drop.
So either Cam/Shotty are complete morons, or Maurile is talking out of his ###. You'd think after 3 years, the Chargers would realize they had another elite runner on their team. So explain then, why

1) Neal got more touches then Turner in the biggest game of the year

2) Why LT carried the ball MORE (over 400 touches) then previous years

3) Chargers made no attempt to involve Turner in the offense.

You'd think they'd put them both on the field at the same time. Split LT out? Match him up with a LB in the slot? Save some wear and tear on LT and let Turner "elite runner" take some of the load? Reggie Bush sucks at running the ball, he's a RB, and they still worked him into the offense. Deuce/Bush both got a ton of touches.

Again, either the Chargers are more or less completely clueless to Turners elite ability, or it's all internet scouts hyping him up. You simple don't sit on an elite weapon, and call more plays for Lorenzo Neal in the biggest game of the year. Holmes was the best RB in the league, his coach loved him, but LJ was so good you couldn't justify keeping him on the sidelines most of the game. With the move to RBBCs, LT breaking down in the 2nd half of 04-05, it's surprising they'd ride LT even harder with an elite weapon waiting in the wings.

Bottom line is the Chargers did not use Turner like he was an elite runner. In fact, he got the normal work load an average backup in the NFL gets. Things that make you go hmmm.
1) You do realize that Neal plays a different position right? Neal ran 3 times (2 times in short yardage) for 5 yards and caught 2 passes for 20 yards while Turner carried the ball 3 times for 24 yards and a TD. To infer anything about Turner's ability based on Neal's touch's in one game is a stretch beyond stretchs. 2) LT's touch's for the last few years..

2003 413

2004 392

2005 390

2006 404

Doesn't look out of the ordinary to me (LT had 339 carries in '04/'05 and 348 in '06). Looks very consistent.

3) I think you may have forgotten that the Chargers had the "elitest" rb in the league running the ball for them. LT is the best back in the league and broke numerous records last year so why would you take the ball out of his hands? Again to infer anything about Turners talent by the number of touches he did/didn't get is totally irrelevant because he was the backup to THE BEST back in the league.

 
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"Micheal Turners Agent Bus Cook has begun talks with an unnamed NFL team with the hopes of negotiating a contract...if both sides can agree on a contract, Turner could be dealt by the Chargers as early as this week if both teams can agree on compensation."

Link

 
Just read an article on one of the Charger boards that stated....

-- "More rumors floating around the net now. It's reported the Packers and Chargers are in the process of a trade for Michael Turner. The trade is reportedly going to send Turner to Green Bay after a swap of Green Bay's and San Diego's first- and -third-round draft picks, allowing San Diego to move up about 15 spots in both rounds.

 
Does anyone have more info on a possible trade of Turner. I found the following comment on

http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2007draft.html

"Micheal Turners Agent Bus Cook has begun talks with an unnamed NFL team with the hopes of negotiating a contract...if both sides can agree on a contract, Turner could be dealt by the Chargers as early as this week if both teams can agree on compensation."

 
From PFT -

TURNER VISITING THE TITANS

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Chargers running back Michael Turner, a restricted free agent, is visiting the Tennessee Titans on Monday.

Turner has been tendered at the highest level, which means that, if the Titans were to sign him to an offer sheet, the Chargers would have the right to match it. If the Chargers choose not to match the offer, they would receive Tennessee's first-round and third-round selections in the April 28-29 draft.

Another possibility would be for the Titans and Chargers to swing a trade for something less than a one and a three.

The Bills also are reportedly are interested in Turner. And there has been talk of a possible effort by the Packers to trade for him.

All three teams need a starting tailback; the Titans cut Travis Henry (who signed with the Broncos), the Packers lost Ahman Green to the Texans, and the Bills traded Willis McGahee to Baltimore.

 
From PFT, citing Schefter

POSTED 1:09 p.m. EDT, April 2, 2007TURNER VISITING THE TITANSAdam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Chargers running back Michael Turner, a restricted free agent, is visiting the Tennessee Titans on Monday.Turner has been tendered at the highest level, which means that, if the Titans were to sign him to an offer sheet, the Chargers would have the right to match it. If the Chargers choose not to match the offer, they would receive Tennessee's first-round and third-round selections in the April 28-29 draft.Another possibility would be for the Titans and Chargers to swing a trade for something less than a one and a three.The Bills also are reportedly are interested in Turner. And there has been talk of a possible effort by the Packers to trade for him.All three teams need a starting tailback; the Titans cut Travis Henry (who signed with the Broncos), the Packers lost Ahman Green to the Texans, and the Bills traded Willis McGahee to Baltimore.
 
Wow, for all the speculation we've had on MT for months, this looks like it's actually happening.
Was thinking the same thing. All this chatter leads me to believe that it won't be "if" he's dealt but "when".I'd say that at this point the realistic destinations appear to be GB, Tenn and Buff. I'm trying to figure out the best long term destination for him and I'm really not sure where it would be. Tenn has VY but he's gonna vulture probably 4-6 TD's/year and I don't think their line is great (could be wrong on that though). GB would be the best place for next year but once Favre leaves who knows what will happen there. Buff plays in a tough division (rush defense wise) but has a young and improving line/QB. :shrug: :yes: :bag:
 
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OoOBaby said:
1) Neal got more touches then Turner in the biggest game of the year
As banger mentioned, Turner and Neal don't compete for carries. They play different positions.Turner competes with Tomlinson.
2) Why LT carried the ball MORE (over 400 touches) then previous years
As others have mentioned, LT's workload was normal this year. And unlike the last couple years, LT was healthy all year while Turner was not.
3) Chargers made no attempt to involve Turner in the offense.
If Tomlinson had gotten injured, Turner would have been the workhorse.
You'd think they'd put them both on the field at the same time. Split LT out? Match him up with a LB in the slot? Save some wear and tear on LT and let Turner "elite runner" take some of the load? Reggie Bush sucks at running the ball, he's a RB, and they still worked him into the offense. Deuce/Bush both got a ton of touches.
Bush is a lot more versatile than Turner, so it's easier to get him on the field.Putting LT in the slot is not the optimal way to use him. It fails to take advantage of his abilities as a rusher, which are substantial. If the Chargers want to put someone in the slot, Vincent Jackson or Eric Parker are better fits than Tomlinson.
Holmes was the best RB in the league, his coach loved him, but LJ was so good you couldn't justify keeping him on the sidelines most of the game.
The last time Holmes was healthy for more than eight games was 2003. LJ had 20 carries that year.
 
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The time is now for the Chargers to deal Michael Turner

Adam Schein / Special to FOXSports.com

LaDainian Tomlinson's back-up is a restricted free agent. And San Diego general manager A.J. Smith rightly placed the highest tender on Turner, meaning that if a club signs him to an offer sheet, you must give up a first and a third.

But that's hardly iron-clad compensation.

Just like with Matt Schaub, who also was a restricted free agent, you can negotiate a trade involving players or picks that doesn't equal a first- and a third-rounder.

Throughout the off-season, Smith has told fellow general managers that he was keeping Turner as insurance for Tomlinson this season. Thus, teams like the Jets and Giants went in different directions at running back.

However, at the owner's meetings last week, rumors started swirling that Smith was considering making a trade.

And we absolutely believe that he should.

Simply put — there is a 0 percent chance that Turner wears a Chargers uniform in 2008. He'll be an unrestricted free agent and wants to be and deserves to be a starter in the NFL.

The Chargers are supposed to be a win-now team.

San Diego can get a couple of key draft picks today for Turner.

And Smith can use them on adding depth at linebacker, the defensive backfield and, most especially, wide receiver. Extra picks could equal trading up from 30 in the first round for a long-term pitch and catch partner for Philip Rivers (think someone like Robert Meachem, who most likely won't be there when San Diego picks).

Smith can find a back-up for Tomlinson in the draft or sign a free agent like Kevan Barlow or Chris Brown for a year. And let's face it — the season will be marred for San Diego if something happens to Tomlinson. No reason to keep around his caddy when you can score big using Turner as a chip.

Turner has the potential to blossom into a great back. You talk to current players, like former Charger Reche Caldwell who I talked to last week, and you'll hear them gush about Turner's blend of power and speed and his great hands.

Current teammates such as Rivers, Shaun Philips and Luis Castillo have raved about his upside.

We are talking about a player who in limited duty has averaged six yards per carry over his first three years in the NFL. That says something.

Alas, he'll never reach his full potential playing behind a future Hall of Famer in Tomlinson.

So Smith, unlike what transpired with Drew Brees and Donnie Edwards, needs to deal him now and get something helpful for him.

It would be a savvy move by the Chargers.

There are at least three places Turner would work...

Green Bay

Here's what Packers coach Michael McCarthy said about his running backs on our radio show last week.

"We like Vernand Morency, Noah Herron, P.J. Pope, and Brandon Miree and the running backs working hard for us now. But you are always working hard to improve your football team, and we will definitely add a member or two to that competition. Those things always work out in the wash. You have to create as much competition as you can and I think we have established that."

Of course Green Bay is going to add someone after losing Ahman Green. Several mock drafts have Green Bay plucking Marshawn Lynch with the 16th overall pick. There's an argument to be made that Turner is a better fit. He is ready to start in 2007.

And don't be concerned about Turner being older than players you can draft. He's just 25 and playing behind Tomlinson, he doesn't have the wear and tear on the tires.

Buffalo

This is a perfect fit.

I highly doubt Adrian Peterson will fall to the Bills at 12.

The Bills have two third-round picks this year and next year after the Willis McGahee deal. Marv Levy has the ammunition to get this done.

Turner's work ethic and skill makes him a match for **** Jauron.

Imagine Turner and Anthony Thomas wearing down defenses, serving as balance for J.P. Losman.

I'd give up two Day 1 picks (not the first rounder) to acquire Tuner. That would benefit both clubs.

Tennessee

Tennessee lost Travis Henry after not paying his 2007 bonus. And it's a major blow.

Lendale White remains on the roster, and re-upping Chris Brown (also on the Bills radar) or inking Corey Dillon remain options.

Turner could replace Henry instantly, but as much as I love Turner, I think it would be tough for Tennessee, also desperate for help at receiver and in spots defense, to give up multiple draft picks.
 
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