Exactly, Alexander, and Edge are big names but beyond their prime. Teams don't like giving up seconds for expensive old guys, but they'll part with it for potential long term starters dispite the risks.Edge also had a major knee injury and quite a few carries on him in comparison.I have never (constantly) read about one subject with so much hype that one wonders if a crack pipe was being passed around.People, Edge couldn't get a nibble for a 2nd rounder, but you all somehow think an up-until-now backup is going to haul in a 1st? From any year? OMG! If Marv makes a deal like that I'll have to go on a bender.We know that one of the reasons Edge couldn't pull a 2nd was because of his high contract. But somehow giving up a 1st for Turner is not a problem? With a soon to be signed 4-5 mil/yr contract?Forget the crack pipe. You all have graduated to overdosing on LSD. And I mean that in the kindest way...
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*** Official Michael Turner 2007 offseason thread *** (2 Viewers)
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Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
cstu
Footballguy
It's not a 1st - it's moving down in the 1st from the 19th to the 30th and giving up a 3rd. According to the chart, 19th to 30th is worth 255 points, equivalent to a high 3rd. Two 3rds for a top young RB isn't that much.I have never (constantly) read about one subject with so much hype that one wonders if a crack pipe was being passed around.People, Edge couldn't get a nibble for a 2nd rounder, but you all somehow think an up-until-now backup is going to haul in a 1st? From any year? OMG! If Marv makes a deal like that I'll have to go on a bender.We know that one of the reasons Edge couldn't pull a 2nd was because of his high contract. But somehow giving up a 1st for Turner is not a problem? With a soon to be signed 4-5 mil/yr contract?Forget the crack pipe. You all have graduated to overdosing on LSD. And I mean that in the kindest way...
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
That's not exactly true.
Ok, most people with out homerism and reasonable expectations think that the Bills would ever part with the 1st straight up.
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zamboni
Footballguy
I'm also wondering how much, if any, the Pac-Man suspension plays into what the team does in its pursuit of Turner. I'm not sure of the contract stipulations, but the Titans may have even more salary cap room than it already does to get something done.
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pgreenfan
Footballguy
The most I could see the Titans giving up for Turner with Pac out for the season is a second. Eric Wright has to be off of their board completely now removing a 2nd round CB possibility, which in my mind would further reduce Turner's chances of being a Titan.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Just keep in mind, this is the same team that traded 2.11, 5.12 and 2005 1st back in 2004 for JP Losman.
A lot of teams give up a lot to get first round QB's. The Giants and Ravens trades for Eli and Kyle were just as bad. I'd be more then surpised to see the Bills make a first round pick deal when they aren't getting another in return. If they'd be willing to do so two weeks from now I feel like they would have already put more then enough on the table to have already gotten a deal done. The Chargers would simply be making out too well if they got anything close to that for them not to have already done a deal in my opinion.
That deal is actually starting to look good.
Buffalo0987
Footballguy
http://www.fantasyfootballxtreme.com/artic...7_breakouts.php
Updated: 4-11-07
2007 Xtreme Sleepers
1. RB Michael Turner (Potential: Top 10RB) - So far, Michael Turner is our biggest breakout candidate for the upcoming 2007 fantasy season. In fact, I predict that if Turner gets traded this off-season, he will be a top 10RB as early as 2007. Think this is too bold? If so, I recommend that you get your hands on some of Turner's game film from last year. We have watched his games over and over again, and everything about him screams fantasy-stud. He has incredible speed, tremendous size (5-10, 237 pounds) and has proven to be able to run between the tackles (157 caries, 5.9 YPC). Turner isn't a raw talent, unlike many seem to believe... he was a beast in college (leaving school ranked 13th on the NCAA all-time rushing list) and he is about to become a beast in the pros. The current rumors floating around out there suggest that the Titans have offered pick #19 and a 3rd rounder for #30 and Turner. There are also other rumors suggesting that the Bills want the runner pretty bad. We think the odds of Turner NOT getting traded are slim.
In fact, to prove how much I personally believe in the runner, I just made one of the boldest trades I have ever made in an expert dynasty league ('07 FFX Expert Dynasty League). I traded Reggie Bush & Santonio Holmes FOR Michael Turner & Roy Williams. Let me first say that it wasn't easy trading Reggie Bush in a dynasty league, but given that Roy Williams actually outscored Bush last year in this league's scoring format and given that I believe Turner will outscore Bush in 2007 (if traded to start), this trade was too good to pass up. This is what FantasyFootballXtreme is all about... mastermind scouting and hardcore-bold moves. We made a similar move in the 2005 Dirty Dozen Expert league, where we traded Randy Moss and Rudi Johnson for a back-up RB named Larry Johnson. Lets just say it wasn't a popular trade when it went down, but Larry Johnson was a 14th-round keeper and we could tell Johnson's time was near. Roughly a couple weeks after our trade went through, Larry Johnson was forced into the KC line-up and the rusher went on to start nine straight games... nine games that ended up outscoring both Rudi and Randy's totals combine on the year. We still own LJ in this league as a 14th round keeper and the move has set us up nicely each and every season. Like I said, this is what FantasyFootballXtreme is all about -- as far as this trade that we just made to get Turner, we can't wait to revisit the topic later in the year.
Updated: 4-11-07
2007 Xtreme Sleepers
1. RB Michael Turner (Potential: Top 10RB) - So far, Michael Turner is our biggest breakout candidate for the upcoming 2007 fantasy season. In fact, I predict that if Turner gets traded this off-season, he will be a top 10RB as early as 2007. Think this is too bold? If so, I recommend that you get your hands on some of Turner's game film from last year. We have watched his games over and over again, and everything about him screams fantasy-stud. He has incredible speed, tremendous size (5-10, 237 pounds) and has proven to be able to run between the tackles (157 caries, 5.9 YPC). Turner isn't a raw talent, unlike many seem to believe... he was a beast in college (leaving school ranked 13th on the NCAA all-time rushing list) and he is about to become a beast in the pros. The current rumors floating around out there suggest that the Titans have offered pick #19 and a 3rd rounder for #30 and Turner. There are also other rumors suggesting that the Bills want the runner pretty bad. We think the odds of Turner NOT getting traded are slim.
In fact, to prove how much I personally believe in the runner, I just made one of the boldest trades I have ever made in an expert dynasty league ('07 FFX Expert Dynasty League). I traded Reggie Bush & Santonio Holmes FOR Michael Turner & Roy Williams. Let me first say that it wasn't easy trading Reggie Bush in a dynasty league, but given that Roy Williams actually outscored Bush last year in this league's scoring format and given that I believe Turner will outscore Bush in 2007 (if traded to start), this trade was too good to pass up. This is what FantasyFootballXtreme is all about... mastermind scouting and hardcore-bold moves. We made a similar move in the 2005 Dirty Dozen Expert league, where we traded Randy Moss and Rudi Johnson for a back-up RB named Larry Johnson. Lets just say it wasn't a popular trade when it went down, but Larry Johnson was a 14th-round keeper and we could tell Johnson's time was near. Roughly a couple weeks after our trade went through, Larry Johnson was forced into the KC line-up and the rusher went on to start nine straight games... nine games that ended up outscoring both Rudi and Randy's totals combine on the year. We still own LJ in this league as a 14th round keeper and the move has set us up nicely each and every season. Like I said, this is what FantasyFootballXtreme is all about -- as far as this trade that we just made to get Turner, we can't wait to revisit the topic later in the year.
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Buffalo0987
Footballguy
Based off that link above and the post up above where fsufan said he got that email, I'm sure liking the chances of a trade. I hope to the bills baby!!!
-OZ-
Footballguy
I'm not debating that - although if you look at the players available at those picks, I'm not so sure. All I'm saying is they seem willing to part with future picks for a player they want. I don't think it's a good deal for them, but if Turner is they guy to push them deep into the playoffs, maybe it is.
also keep in mind that the moron that pulled off that trade is now out of football.
Alluro
Footballguy
The Jury is still out on that deal. This is the year that will tell us whether JP is destined for great things or not. If he is, I could care less what Donahoe gave up
In any event, whatever Teflon Tom did while GM has absolutely no bearing on what Marv and his staff will do in this draft. Teflon loved the flashy high potential pick which got him on ESPN, while Marv is the opposite. He drafts the safer high character guys who have produced at a high level in college.
Buffalo0987
Footballguy
As much as I like these predictions, is top 10 to bold? Thoughts? Just get to Buffalo Burner! 
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
It's completely possible, but this isn't the first time that someone has speculated he could be one of the top ten (which is essentially only the upper third) backs in the league.
Banger
Footballguy
Considering the teams that he might go to (Tenn/Buff) I think top 10 is certainly bold. I like his talent but am not crazy about either situation in the near term. I think about 14-18 is a more reasonable expectation with some good upside potential.Just thinking about probable RB's in no particular order...As much as I like these predictions, is top 10 to bold? Thoughts? Just get to Buffalo Burner!
LT
LJ
Alex
SJax
Westy
Portis
Gore
Parker
Rudi
Addai
Henry
McGahee
then throw him in the mix with Maroney, R. Brown, C. Taylor, Barber, Edge, Bush, etc.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Yeah, when throwing around terms like "top ten" we have to determine whether we are talking about talent or production. One does not necessarily equate to the other.However, (in the right situation) I think Turner could outperform the last four or five guys on that list.
Amen to that...
Buffalo0987
Footballguy
any new news today? I'm dying here.
-OZ-
Footballguy
This somewhat reminds me of the Patrick Surtain deal to KC a couple years back. Everyone "knew" he wouldn't stay in Miami, but KC held out and gave what they wanted even though it was just a minor tweak.
-OZ-
Footballguy
We've known SD was playing those 2 teams for awhile now, we just didn't know the week.Does the week matter? Or would it make more sense not to trade him to an AFC team - hence, Green Bay is more logical?
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Those two teams would need a lot more Chargers than Turner to beat San Diego, even at home.
Dope
Footballguy
Did I miss the discussion of this fact somewhere in this thread? I've been trying to follow it as I am the proud owner of Mr. Turner. I just thought it was interesting.
It wasn't discussed, but we've known which teams are playing which since the season ended. The only thing we didn't know was the order of the games (and which teams got MFN, etc).
fsufan
Footballguy
someone please PM me when/if Turner is traded
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I am in the same boat (what a nice ship it is) but I still want him to be traded. It gives you more trade power if needed. I know SD is good running spot, but I would rather my guy start. If you have any holes you want corrected, you could trade Turner (if starting) for the best WR you can find. Turner also may be better than your #2 or #3 and get some starts also.call me crazy, but as a LT owner who doesn't need to start Turner, I'm somewhat hoping he stays in San Diego.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
The Bills lost Clements, Spikes, McGahee, and Fletcher-Baker. Do they have any players left?
zamboni
Footballguy
Josh Reed?
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I hope not. Our 2nd round pick (or maybe a swap of first round picks) is as high as I'd be willing to go.
All the more reason not to be wasting more than a 3rd round pick on one dimensional player with good speed.
Banger
Footballguy
one dimensional?
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Complain about it for a season and then forget about it.
zamboni
Footballguy
It's only 8 pages for me.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Check out Obie Wan's other posts in this thread and then gloss over anything he says from this point forward.
Banger
Footballguy
LOL, won't be the 1st or the last time. That's what FF is all about.
massraider
Footballguy
Yes, I heard he can't block like Lorenzo Neal or catch like Reggie Bush. I also have it on good authority he's not much of a dancer.You know, one dimensional.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I'd give up this year's 2nd and next year's 3rd. I'm not even sure that I'd be willing to swap first rounders. IMO the talent drop from 12 to 30 is pretty substantial. You're talking the difference between a Patrick Willis or Leon Hall compared to a Chris Houston or John Beason. Those guys aren't scrubs, but they're not at the same level.
Kevan Barlow=STUD
