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*** Official Michael Turner 2007 offseason thread *** (2 Viewers)
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fatness
Footballguy
Enter the "Reshard Lee Zone".
Most importantly, Turner's fatal flaw as an NFL player is that his longest run in each game doesn't count.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
The Barry Sanders rule, huh?Yea, I always get a kick out of hearing somebody minimize a player's accomblishments by saying "if you ignore all the good stuff he does, then he's really not that good"The Barry Sanders rule, huh?
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enfuego
Footballguy
Especially if you are narrow-minded enough to minimize a player's accomplishments because he is not on your favorite team (or did not hail from your alma mata or your alma mata's conference).Yea, I always get a kick out of hearing somebody minimize a player's accomblishments by saying "if you ignore all the good stuff he does, then he's really not that good"The Barry Sanders rule, huh?
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
nygiants56
Footballguy
yellowdog
Footballguy
On a related note, in the last 2:30 of games vs. 13-0 teams on the road, he averages almost 22 yards per carry. :clutch:
zamboni
Footballguy
I have little doubt that Turner, Bus Cook and Titans/Bills brass have been reading this thread and having a good old laugh.
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Buffalo0987
Footballguy
i feel like there is no way Turner doesn't get traded. there is too much interest . sooner would be better than later tho.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Unless you are the Chargers, who hope to drum up more interest leading up to the draft. If Turner is traded, I wouldnt expect it to happen until the week before the draft.
And perhaps, there can even be a conditional deal in place that would depend on who is still available when it's Buffalo's or Tenn's turn to pick...in which case nothing would happen till draft day
I'd like to see him anywhere except for SD
Michael Turner highlight video. Nothing here that wasn't in the previous one except for his run against the Bears where he stiff-arms Charles Tillman. Second play in the video.
Buffalo0987
Footballguy
Wow, he is so good. ppl that think he wont be a stud are just going against the majority for fun. When you watch that guy how can you not see that he is one of the best up and coming RBs?
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the moops
Footballguy
That may be the lamest highlight video I have ever seen. Is that really a collection of his best runs?
No. Check out his TD run against undefeated Indy two years ago.That may be the lamest highlight video I have ever seen. Is that really a collection of his best runs?
Buffalo0987
Footballguy
can someone send me a link to his best collection ? or to this td run you talk about? Thanks guys.
or to this td run you talk about? Thanks guys.
No. NFL clips don't stay posted for long. All the awesome Michael Turner highlights that were out there a while ago are gone. The NFL is pretty vigilant about it.The best highlight video was from his 2005 season. He only had 57 runs that year, and the highlight video showed about 40 of them. And they were all legitimate highlight-worthy runs. A larger percentage of Turner's runs are highlight-worthy than anyone since Barry.Anyway, the 2005 highlight video is gone. I posted a 2006 highlight video earlier in this thread, but that's gone now as well.The one I just posted tonight is pretty sparse (showing clips from only three games), and it will be gone soon as well, I'm sure.can someone send me a link to his best collection ?
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Buffalo0987
Footballguy
Thanks. if anyone finds them please post. If he doesn't get traded I'm gonna be pissed fantasy wise. Just traded for him in my league. Gave up the #3 rookie pick for him. dynasty.
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As it turns out, NFL.com has an archive of all of the highlights from each game in 2005. If you go here:http://www.nfl.com/video/2005/15Buffalo0987 said:
and click on Game Highlights, you will see the Chargers v. Colts game listed. Click on that and you will see Turner's run near the end of the clip. Enjoy!
Warhogs
Footballguy
I'm starting to think that the interested teams either feel that the Chargers asking price is too high or that Turner's asking price for a contract is too high. No recent news makes me think that the interested clubs are waiting for one of those things to change before they are willing to make a deal.
CA_7
Footballguy
from today....
Titans still chase Turner
By JIM WYATT
Staff Writer
The Titans are still talking to the Chargers about acquiring running back Michael Turner, Tennessee GM Mike Reinfeldt said Thursday.
"Nothing is imminent at this point and time, but nothing is dead either," Reinfeldt said. "The fact that we both agreed to stay in touch leans toward optimism.''
The Chargers put a first- and third-round draft pick compensation on Turner, a restricted free agent, but the Titans won't give up that much.
The Titans prefer to trade for Turner, which would require reaching a contract agreement with his agent as well as the Titans and Chargers agreeing on compensation.
The deadline for another team to sign a restricted free agent is April 20, although a trade could be completed after that date.
Turner has visited the Titans and Bills.
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../704130415/1027
Titans still chase Turner
By JIM WYATT
Staff Writer
The Titans are still talking to the Chargers about acquiring running back Michael Turner, Tennessee GM Mike Reinfeldt said Thursday.
"Nothing is imminent at this point and time, but nothing is dead either," Reinfeldt said. "The fact that we both agreed to stay in touch leans toward optimism.''
The Chargers put a first- and third-round draft pick compensation on Turner, a restricted free agent, but the Titans won't give up that much.
The Titans prefer to trade for Turner, which would require reaching a contract agreement with his agent as well as the Titans and Chargers agreeing on compensation.
The deadline for another team to sign a restricted free agent is April 20, although a trade could be completed after that date.
Turner has visited the Titans and Bills.
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../704130415/1027
just traded leinart away for this guy... he better end up somewhere....as started in Tenn, GB or Buf, how high does he rank? 10 to 15? for RBs
Yitbos69
Footballguy
I wish the guy I was dealing with was this reasonable!
DanFouts
Footballguy
Best run ever.........
djb916420
Footballguy
Good luck with that!!!!
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Yep, he seems to have really good balance, hits the holes with authority, deals out punishment to tacklers, and shows the vision you want in a starting RB.Honestly, whenever I watch him I find myself thinking: "this is what Jerry Angelo WISHES he had in Cedric Benson".
There are a couple observations of interest, one of which is included in the above article. Having some background in contract negotiations and some exposure to media coverage, I feel fairly confident making the following comments:First, it would appear that MT (I never noticed before that MT is alphabetically behind LT and Turner would follow Tomlinson, do you think LT starts just because the Chargers use their players alphabetically,
)Ok, that was a major deviation, back to the first point. MT is a fairly major off-season news story, so if the press is only aware of his visits to Buffalo and Tennessee, then I will assume that is accurate. This suggests at this late stage that the other teams are not that serious about pursuing MT at this time. As it stands, either Buffalo or Tennessee could offer a package that the Chargers/MT would accept, ending the opportunity. One would assume, despite excellent knowledge of his past performance and familiarity with MT as a person, that the owners of the Cowboys, Packers and any other team would have had him in for a physical and to begin some introductory talks with him and his agent about compensation. I am going to assume for the present that the Titans and Bills are the only seriously interested parties.
Second, the lack of news is not an issue relative to the two teams. If they are discussing offers, then it would be played very close to the cuff. Nobody wants to show their hand (poker reference should excite some members/moderators) and give away value unnecessarily.
Third, there is little talk about the RBs in the upcoming draft, aside from AD (AP for you literalists), with the obligatory "yeah there is lynch too" comments. The draft is nicely discussed elsewhere, but without trading up, neither Tenn nor Buff is going to get AD/AP and Lynch remains a question in my mind. I would think it a poor decision to pass on MT to go for Lynch. This suggests that MT could be viewed as the top 2 or 3 RB available FA/2007 rookie pool combined, with little argument. Depending upon the style of RB preferred and level of injury aversion, he would be the top pick for several teams over AD/AP.
Fourth, there has been esentially no movement on Dillon or other available FA thus far (Chris Brown etc), so the two teams (T and B) are likely looking to MT first, then back up plan being Dillon/rookie.
Fifth, while MT might be a bit more expensive than a comparable pick in the draft, he is not going to go for more than other FA signings in recent past in all likelihood. A Chester Taylor type contract is the likely scenario. How does that compare in the long run to the salaries/signing bonuses/performance bonuses being demanded by the top ten draft picks? Add to that the possibility of a hold out, ala Benson that essentially wastes at least half a season and creates team dissent. People forget that top draft picks sign late and the tendency to hold out depends on the team/player/agent. Would T or B rather have MT right now, learning the plays and getting in off season and preseason workouts, ready to take off running week 1, or a hold out that keeps a player from learning the playbook, developing chemistry and getting up to NFL speed for a half-season or better. (I think Benson shot himself in the foot with his holdout, inexcusable).
Sixth, If T or B were picking somewhere in the first four positions, this would be a non-issue, as there would only be one team after MT, unless someone else joined the fray so as not to allow him to be gotten cheaply. Given the interest in teams to move up for CJ and AD/AP (It is AD people, this gets tiresome) and a few select others, I doubt either has that option unless there is an unexpected move somewhere. I posted before and I'll say it again, T should look to trade off Pacman. I think the prospect of working for a living as a schmoo may scare him into becoming a citizen. His contract could be easily reworked to everyone's advantage as he has no leverage now. Given that his infractions occured before this new policy, I would not be surprised to see his suspension reduced to allow him to play at some point this year. He is a thuglet, but I have a problem with the government being in the NFL and the NFL governing. If his criminal behavior is so bad as to "fine" him millions (I don't know what he loses but not playing for a year must be expensive) then he should be doing time. Deviating from the point again, he is a flashy "playa" who likely attracts a lot of attention and people probably try to get in his face just to rile him or possibly get a civil suit against him. I saw drunks go up to some of the big name and little name Cornhuskers trying to pick fights or display bravado in college. Takes a lot of class and patience to not react to such situations and I am assuming Pacman has been a bit short on either or both. This BS about taking away draft picks and such merely hurts the talent level of a team and reduces the value to the fan. Take away the revenue sharing and I guarantee that the owners will pay attention to the problem quicker.
Seventh, back to MT, Both the Titans and Bills are in a tough spot RB-wise and both must do something this year. I have little faith in White, who may have the talent to play but I have known NFL players who party all off season, getting by on their innate abilities. The play, but they do not excel. Didn't White spit at a player too? Frankly, I think whichever does not get MT should trade up to get AD. A-train is a serviceable number two but he has been limited in recent seasons which suggests he is not viewed as viable starting material. Could he have Dayne like games with opportunity? Sure, it is possible but I would not bank on it.
Eighth, is there a MT replacement available for the Chargers should a trade occur? Yes, of course as they are considering it. Again, from a non-fantasy point of view, I would hold onto MT, despite losing a draft pick possibly. He is the best insurance against an injury to the much used LT. Unless Rivers can open the playing field a bit more, LT will be running into traffic and that is a dangerous place to play. Could SD be considering the move up spot if they swap firsts and get an additional second or third? Would they be comfortable if they swapped with Buffalo on the assumption they could get Lynch with the #12 pick and then get a free extra second or third pick? I have harped on the subject enough, but really, if a player of interest is a possible deal maker, what about Pacman from the Titans? He could return kicks (a Turner role) and bolster the secondary when he comes back, assuming he can grow up.
Possible scenarios - Assuming it is correct that a second round pick is not enough value for SD.
Tennessee - a) give second round pick and swap thirds for Turner, b) swap firsts and give Pacman after he restructures for Turner, c) give second round pick and give back sixth round pick Tenn got from SD (they have three sixth round picks - T)
Buffalo - a) swap firsts and give third for Turner, allowing SD to go after Lynch (this could even wait until draft day with all parties in agreeement if Tenn falls through to ensure Lynch available), b) give first (they would be using it on Lynch anyhow) for Turner and SD fifth round compensatory pick, c) swap seconds and give third for Turner - Yes, I realize this is waffling on the value offered.
Green Bay - enter late when SD is not getting what it wants and offer first for Turner since they would not be in line for AD or Lynch and need backfield help. They need to start negotiations soon though but not too soon.
Dallas - a) enter late and give Tyson Thompson and second for Turner, b) trade third round pick and J Jones to Buffalo for their first and offer first to SD for Turner if Lynch still available (man would the stars have to line up for that one) - Honestly, I don't see the need for Dallas to go after RB talent, so this is mindless.
Assessment - Tenn needs the trade more than Buff given their position in the draft, youth at QB, loss of WR talent. Buffalo has JP Losman, who appears to be maturing in the NFL, a fairly strong WR corps led by Evans and a shot at Lynch. GB needs a stub rb but would have to get ahead of Buffalo in the draft for a shot at Lynch. They have a strong WR corps and most experienced QB in league as far as I know. I don't know why we're talking about Dallas unless they trade off J Jones but then you would have two excellent red zone RBs at Dallas - fantasy nightmare.
I realize this became random thoughts but the options really are broad right now. Sorry about the deviations.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
So, we give up a dozen spot in the first round and the best kick returner and 2nd best corner in the league for Turner? Terrible idea.
While I respect your opinion, and agree on a straight talent-to-talent return basis that this is not in Tennessee's best interest, I think it ignores the impact of the recent ruling and the NFL's desire to make a statement.Assuming there is no change from the status quo (I believe there will be, but it would only be a matter of degree, not absolution) Pacman is out for a year, which would at best return him for the playoffs without being in mid-season shape, (though he would have the freshest legs on the field) assuming the Titans can make it to the playoffs without him; at worst he may be out of the NFL forever given the conditions of his double secret probation (Animal House reference).While Pacman is an elite returner and DB, he is only of value to the extent that he can PLAY. Losing a year is difficult to come back from and he has to spend the rest of his career teetering on the brink of expulsion if he gets into anything more aggressive than a food fight. He may have the character to pull it off, but he also has to avoid situations and friends that can involve him in any adverse interaction with law enforcement.Turner is a very good returner, though he likely would not be used as such if he becomes the starting RB for the Titans. Additionally, he would give a ground game to Young that would force the opposing defenses to play up, and provide ball control in games which is nearly as good as having a better defense. Being able to move the chains is a guaranteed way to keep the opposing team from scoring, even better than a shut down cornerback.There is also the drop in first round pick. The first pick, in my mind, should address a team's greatest need. Obtaining Turner, in exchange for a player who can not even attend team meetings or use the facilities for the next couple months and won't play in 2007 unless the rest of the team can manage at least a 9-7 season without him is a fair trade. Turner addresses the need for a dependable, possibly excellent RB and Tenn retains a later first round pick. From the mocks at nfldraftguys.com, there does not seem to be a lot of teams looking to pick DB this year with their first rounders, so the Titans could still get Houston or someone of similar talent.All told, and knowing we can agree to disagree (the wussiest statement ever devised), I would not hesitate to approve this trade. Of course, I do not currently own the Chargers or any other NFL franchise.
Moreover, I don't think the Chargers would ever go for it. I honestly think they'd rather have an extra seventh-round pick than have Pacman. They are trying to get rid of problem players (Foley, Kiel, and Curry are gone), not add more of them.
Buffalo0987
Footballguy
Id guess that a deal gets done later after the 20th when the chargers realize they cant get that 1st and 3rd anymore. at least that is what im reading.
honestly i think he is worth the #19 pick straight up. well worth it.
honestly i think he is worth the #19 pick straight up. well worth it.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
My money is on a 2nd rd pick in the upcomming draft, and a conditional pick in the 2008 (something like a 4th rdr that could escalate to a 2nd rdr if certain triggers are met). Additionally I think it will be with Buffalo not the Titans.
zamboni
Footballguy
If so, there's certainly a number of hours in my life I'd like to have back.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Trading Jones does nothing. If he comes back, you've given away a top-flight player. If he doesn't come back, you're in the same spot you were beforehand. I seriously doubt the Chargers would think that JOnes is a deal sweetener. I've said before if I were the TItans, I'd offer Jones an extension right now. Big money, long term, all contingent on staying out of trouble. Deal goes in to afect when he steps on the field for a regular season game.His value will never be lower. Lock him up (contract, not jail.
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yellowdog
Footballguy
That's a good sign.
Seriously, I was so content with him not getting traded like 3 weeks ago, now its going to be such a freaking let down if all the post league meeting buzz was all for nothing.
Buffalo0987
Footballguy
Dont worry guys he is getting traded. Keep your chins up. I have a feeling we will all be very exciting soon.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I have read this three times and still can't figure out what it means.
Buffalo0987
Footballguy
Yea, i couldn't understand it either when i read it again.
What i meant was, he is getting traded. Dont let one post get ya down.
What i meant was, he is getting traded. Dont let one post get ya down.
