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*** Official Michael Turner 2007 offseason thread *** (1 Viewer)
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Otis
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el-gato-grande
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Colin, you shouldn't post after Friday night happy hour.
If the Titans are burning a first round pick (no pun intended), then they would definately give Turner the majority of the touches and they wouldn't have him in a kick return role. 
If it is a 2008 pick, then they can draft a WR/Kick returner in the first couple of rounds this year to replace Pacman for the upcoming season. Ginn would fill that role nicely if he is still there with their pick in Round 1.
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ericttspikes
Footballguy
Turner has looked o.k. in mop up duty, but how this guy is worth a 1st rounder in 08 when teams couldn't give away RBs 2 months ago is beyond me.
Buffalo0987
Footballguy
Mop up?
Kick returns? Thanks for the laugh guys! I bet you guys continued to pass on Priest Holmes year after year thinking his talent wasn't real.RavensUNFL
Footballguy
As a diehard Raider fan and Non-LT owner.. week 1 or sooner would be great.So the eternal pessimist in me has to ask.....what's the over/under on which week LaDainian goes down for the year?
He's pretty good.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I'm thinking the better question is who will the Chargers draft to back him up?So the eternal pessimist in me has to ask.....what's the over/under on which week LaDainian goes down for the year?
Already argued in earlier post your going to have to start at the begining, about 1203 post ago!!
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
Could Pinnock or Sproles not fill that role?Andrew Pinnock Scouting Report from Scout.comI'm thinking the better question is who will the Chargers draft to back him up?So the eternal pessimist in me has to ask.....what's the over/under on which week LaDainian goes down for the year?
Chargers Update had Pinnock tabbed as a 6th round draft pick.
He was benched during his senior season for fumbling problems otherwise he would have been ranked much higher. He never took his blocking seriously at South Carolina and that unwillingness also hurt his stock. It could be that his maturity is lacking.
Is a tackle breaker who has great size and surprising agility. He can carry a pile of defenders and gain those extra yards. Rarely is he tackled in the backfield and he shows good vision looking for the open hole. His balance allows him to shake defenders and keep his feet in traffic.
Pinnock squares his shoulders when moving forward and if he took his blocking as seriously as his running he would be punishing as a lead back. His versatility to play both spots in the backfield adds to his value.
College
Pinnock was a three year starter used at both fullback and halfback. Totaled 124 carries for 563 yards with 5 scores as a senior, catching 16 passes for 106 yards. Team's leading ground gainer as a junior with 115/622/12.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Year after year? Holmes had 2 years on top of the world. Actually I did pass on Holmes in 05 and took LJ in the 5th.So Turner is going to get 20+ next year? Who are the Roaf and Shields in Buff, Tenn or GB?Mop up?Kick returns?
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Already argued in earlier post your going to have to start at the begining, about 1203 post ago!!
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
1090 reports Turner to Titans for 1st rd pick. More to come.
fsufan
Footballguy
do not F with us Turner owners
PadresLakers
Footballguy
A few people from the Chargers.com thread have said the same...http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?...362#post1507362
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
They just said it during the Padre Pregame. I have no link or 2nd yet.
fsufan
Footballguy
please be true
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
I'd be shocked they were able to get a first rounder for him and a mid first at that. Bow down to AJ if true.
I've seen it posted on three different Charger message boards that 1090 is reporting that Turner was traded to the Titans for the 19th pick.
But none of them gave any more details than that.
But none of them gave any more details than that.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
I can't find any conformation, it sounds like the local radio hacks may be just talking about something they don't have all the facts on.
msommer
Footballguy
If true I hope the Titans trade down first - or get SD's 1st pick back while giving them a 3rd rounder - or something.
Yes, I would hold off on believing anything until we get more details. The guys at 1090 are not always reliable.
hooptd
Footballguy
The 19th pick for a guy who hasn't played a full season. This when Edgerrin James and Alexander couln't fetch a 2nd round pick two years ago. What am I missing?
As I said above, he's pretty good.The 19th pick for a guy who hasn't played a full season. This when Edgerrin James and Alexander couln't fetch a 2nd round pick two years ago. What am I missing?
msommer
Footballguy
Could be contract status (Turner is not going to have a huge base salary with him...)The 19th pick for a guy who hasn't played a full season. This when Edgerrin James and Alexander couln't fetch a 2nd round pick two years ago. What am I missing?
prymetyme25
Footballguy
Hope this helps
msommer
Footballguy
I am seeing different details on different boards now. One guy says it's a second this year and first next year. Basically I think a lot of people are talking out of their butt.
We should get ESPN or some other real source to confirm in the next ten minutes or so, I would guess.
Until then, I wouldn't put any faith into any of the details popping up everywhere.
We should get ESPN or some other real source to confirm in the next ten minutes or so, I would guess.
Until then, I wouldn't put any faith into any of the details popping up everywhere.
Contract status, age (in terms of not having wear and tear), ability.Could be contract status (Turner is not going to have a huge base salary with him...)The 19th pick for a guy who hasn't played a full season. This when Edgerrin James and Alexander couln't fetch a 2nd round pick two years ago. What am I missing?
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Apparently the 1090 report came from the Padres game announcer.
I'm not putting any stock into that at all. As far as I'm concerned, he may not have been traded yet.
I'm not putting any stock into that at all. As far as I'm concerned, he may not have been traded yet.
msommer
Footballguy
Ability over Edge and Alexander of two years ago - tall order.Contract status, age (in terms of not having wear and tear), ability.Could be contract status (Turner is not going to have a huge base salary with him...)The 19th pick for a guy who hasn't played a full season. This when Edgerrin James and Alexander couln't fetch a 2nd round pick two years ago. What am I missing?
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
My point, which I admittedly did not make very well, is that I expect Turner (if he is a Titan) to have a more diverse role then simply "starting RB" and I expect White to have a more significant role then "backup RB".Colin, you shouldn't post after Friday night happy hour.If the Titans are burning a first round pick (no pun intended), then they would definately give Turner the majority of the touches and they wouldn't have him in a kick return role.
I think he's better than Edge, in addition to being cheaper. And he's way cheaper than Alexander.Ability over Edge and Alexander of two years ago - tall order.Contract status, age (in terms of not having wear and tear), ability.Could be contract status (Turner is not going to have a huge base salary with him...)The 19th pick for a guy who hasn't played a full season. This when Edgerrin James and Alexander couln't fetch a 2nd round pick two years ago. What am I missing?
fruity pebbles
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Think you're wrong if they give up a mid first for him and more than likely pay him 4-5 million a year. That's starting runningback value. White might get a few series but I'd be shocked if they didn't have 300 carry plans for Turner. They don't have a lot invested in Lendale.My point, which I admittedly did not make very well, is that I expect Turner (if he is a Titan) to have a more diverse role then simply "starting RB" and I expect White to have a more significant role then "backup RB".Colin, you shouldn't post after Friday night happy hour.
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Donnybrook
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Not to mention, Marshall Faulk who was traded for a second and a fifth round pick. Hats off to AJ Smith, if he gets the 19th pick.Ability over Edge and Alexander of two years ago - tall order.Contract status, age (in terms of not having wear and tear), ability.Could be contract status (Turner is not going to have a huge base salary with him...)The 19th pick for a guy who hasn't played a full season. This when Edgerrin James and Alexander couln't fetch a 2nd round pick two years ago. What am I missing?
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
While I'd prefer they not give up 19, I try to think of it liek this: if Marshaun Lynch were on the board at 19, and the Titans were set on taking a RB, I'd rather it be Turner then Lynch.
From another board:
"Kraska on News 8 just said he talked to the team and nothing's happened yet..."
"Kraska on News 8 just said he talked to the team and nothing's happened yet..."
msommer
Footballguy
I'd rather sign Chris Brown, draft a CB and trade up in the 2nd than either of those options
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
That is a bit of an oversimplification though. Antonio Cromartie, signed at 19, got a 5 year 12.5 million dollar contract with Maroney, drafted at 21 , signed an 5 year, 8.75 million dollar contract. Turner will cost far more.
Here's my theory.
1. Sirius radio reported a while ago that a team had offered a first-rounder in 2008 for Turner.
2. Some knucklehead at 1090 heard that the Chargers were offered a first for Turner, and also heard that the Titans had shown interest. He puts two and two together and reports that the Chargers had traded Turner for . . . (looks up what pick the Titans have) . . . the 19th pick.
3. A few people have a friend of a friend who heard the quick statement on 1090 (during the broadcast of a Padre game) and make posts about it on various Charger message boards.
4. Word spreads. Hysteria ensues. Rumors spread and evolve.
5. Meanwhile, nothing actually happened.
1. Sirius radio reported a while ago that a team had offered a first-rounder in 2008 for Turner.
2. Some knucklehead at 1090 heard that the Chargers were offered a first for Turner, and also heard that the Titans had shown interest. He puts two and two together and reports that the Chargers had traded Turner for . . . (looks up what pick the Titans have) . . . the 19th pick.
3. A few people have a friend of a friend who heard the quick statement on 1090 (during the broadcast of a Padre game) and make posts about it on various Charger message boards.
4. Word spreads. Hysteria ensues. Rumors spread and evolve.
5. Meanwhile, nothing actually happened.
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
But we padded the thread's posts by a bunch. That's worth sumthin.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I vote we change the thread title to the above.
On the other hand, how much did the Saints give up to get Ricky Williams?Not to mention, Marshall Faulk who was traded for a second and a fifth round pick.Ability over Edge and Alexander of two years ago - tall order.Contract status, age (in terms of not having wear and tear), ability.Could be contract status (Turner is not going to have a huge base salary with him...)The 19th pick for a guy who hasn't played a full season. This when Edgerrin James and Alexander couln't fetch a 2nd round pick two years ago. What am I missing?
NorrisB
Footballguy
On the other hand, how much did the Saints give up to get Ricky Williams?Not to mention, Marshall Faulk who was traded for a second and a fifth round pick.Ability over Edge and Alexander of two years ago - tall order.Contract status, age (in terms of not having wear and tear), ability.Could be contract status (Turner is not going to have a huge base salary with him...)The 19th pick for a guy who hasn't played a full season. This when Edgerrin James and Alexander couln't fetch a 2nd round pick two years ago. What am I missing?
If you think that Turner is worth as much as RWill
I don't remember saying that. But it's worth pointing out that age and contract issues make a huge difference to a running back's trade value. Ricky Williams commanded a lot in part because he was young and fresh, and would play under a rookie contract. Edge, Alexander, and Faulk all had much more mileage and were much more expensive.Saying that Turner isn't worth a first because Edge, Alexander, and Faulk weren't is not a meaningful comparison. He doesn't have the huge negatives against him that those guys did.On the other hand, how much did the Saints give up to get Ricky Williams?Not to mention, Marshall Faulk who was traded for a second and a fifth round pick.Ability over Edge and Alexander of two years ago - tall order.Contract status, age (in terms of not having wear and tear), ability.Could be contract status (Turner is not going to have a huge base salary with him...)The 19th pick for a guy who hasn't played a full season. This when Edgerrin James and Alexander couln't fetch a 2nd round pick two years ago. What am I missing?
By way of proving that those negatives really do make a difference, I'll point to Ricky Williams.
People will disagree on Michael Turner's ability. I'm higher on him than a lot of Shark Poolers are, although I don't think I'm higher on him than NFL GMs are. But what people can't disagree about is that, compared to guys like Edge, Alexander, and Faulk when they were being shopped, Turner is both fresh-legged and inexpensive. In that respect, he is like Williams, and it makes a difference IMO.
Billy1x
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Faulk TradeIn what has been called the greatest St. Louis sports trade since baseball's Ernie Broglio for Lou Brock, the Rams acquire Faulk from Indy on April 15, 1999, for a second- and a fifth-round draft pick.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:marshall Faulk was traded for a first rounder which the cotls truned around and took Edge withNot to mention, Marshall Faulk who was traded for a second and a fifth round pick. Hats off to AJ Smith, if he gets the 19th pick.Ability over Edge and Alexander of two years ago - tall order.Contract status, age (in terms of not having wear and tear), ability.Could be contract status (Turner is not going to have a huge base salary with him...)The 19th pick for a guy who hasn't played a full season. This when Edgerrin James and Alexander couln't fetch a 2nd round pick two years ago. What am I missing?
Traders2001
Footballguy
I heard on the Chargers message board that its Tennessee's 2nd this year and first next year for Turner. Wondering if anyone else has heard this or read it.
Yes, I have. lol I just posted the rumor in the Charger thread. I didn't have the details or scroll down to see your post. The radio guys were talking about it this afternoon.
Just picked it up from another forum , anyone heard that .
Yes, I have. lol I just posted the rumor in the Charger thread. I didn't have the details or scroll down to see your post. The radio guys were talking about it this afternoon.
Just picked it up from another forum , anyone heard that .
Anyone have Sirius? They're apparently talking about it now, saying that it's for this year's 19th pick. But I don't have a way to listen.
fatness
Footballguy
Turner's been traded to the Padres? They have a terrible O-line.
