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***OFFICIAL*** Minnesota Vikings 2016 Season Thread (1 Viewer)

nittanylion said:
Stop freaking out. Take a deep breath. AP is the offense. Hill will  get the job done, and you will be fine. Vikes only need a game manager. Teddy really isnt much more than that anyway. Hill IS that, and is familiar with the  personnel and scheme. Norv will love this and he.will make it work. You'll see.
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Can a 31 year-old AP really shoulder the O like he's done in the past though? With no Bridgewater D's are just going to stack the box? How many touches can he take per a game before he break down?

Yes, AP is AP, but is this the year he shows his mortality?

 
nittanylion said:
Stop freaking out. Take a deep breath. AP is the offense. Hill will  get the job done, and you will be fine. Vikes only need a game manager. Teddy really isnt much more than that anyway. Hill IS that, and is familiar with the  personnel and scheme. Norv will love this and he.will make it work. You'll see.
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 Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong equating Teddy to Hill. He'll throws with the velocity of an eight-year-old girl and while he understands the system well,  Teddy is a far superior quarterback and this year was poised to go from game manager to game winner. 

 
RenegadeRoy said:
Can a 31 year-old AP really shoulder the O like he's done in the past though? With no Bridgewater D's are just going to stack the box? How many touches can he take per a game before he break down?

Yes, AP is AP, but is this the year he shows his mortality?
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:goodposting: I think McKinnion will see a lot more playing time now if they don't find a decent veteran QB if Teddy is out..

 
AP is a robot. Norv will make it work. Game managers win games. How much different is Hill, or Bridge for that matter, than Dilfer? Tons better weapons to work with too. Relax. AP and Norv have got this. Im totally serious.

 
BTW.. Sullivan was released... Guess they didn't see him as "Trade Bait".. either that or he was released this morning BEFORE Teddy's injury. :kicksrock:

 
I honestly can say I will struggle to sleep tonight as I honestly felt going into the season it was us and Seattle for the NFC championship game.  We were that good.

Talk is that we'll get someone else for sure, but who? Hill isn't durable to maybe last the year so chances are the Vikings need to use a future pick, and a good one, to get someone, but who is willing to give up an okay #2 QB for a pick or two?  AJ McCarron? Sure but I don't see Cincy giving him up now and going with some no body named Wenning as Dalton's back up?Free agents like Mettenberger, T Jack again?, McCown? Vick?? lol Geno?????????  lol

Sucks man...sucks...... 

 
It difficult to be a Vikings fan if you don't hope for the best but expect the worst.  

I can say I was in favor of signing Nick Foles before the Cheifs signed him.  

 
I think for the first 3 weeks Hill can be tge "game manager" needed with ADP and the defense. But I think McCown would be the best out there to bring in and prepare to possibly take over after the Bye week. :football:

 
Taylor Heinicke severs a tendon in his ankle kicking in his own front door.  Little did he know he could have started week 1 if he wasn't such a dumb ###.  

 
Gotta figure the coaching staff had already made an assessment of their personnel and looked at all the "What if" scenarios. If they didn't feel confident in Hill, at least temporarily, pretty certain Zim would have already addressed it. Everyone knows there are the 75 man cut downs and NFL teams pretty much know who'll be available afterwards. Maybe they didn't count on grabbing anyone quite so soon, but I'm sure they have their short list.

Problem is, since this happened before everyone did their roster trims, there may well be GMs that say how about we cut this reserve OLB and keep 5 QBs to see what we can get from Minnesota.

 
at least we still have Gopher Footb......at least we still have the Timberw........the Wil.......aw #### it......this sucks.

 
Well, desperate times call for desperate measures. If I'm GM I sign one of Sanchez/McCown (if released), move Stave to PS, and sign Mettenberger as a WTH 3rd. I know I'm on an island liking Mettenberger, but he's more developed than Stave and a decent fit for the downfield passing offense Norv could implement in his sleep. Maybe he's reckless, I don't know. I don't know whether he had Turner level of coaching in Tennessee and San Diego, and he should be in relatively decent shape having been cut just yesterday. Also he has an arm that offer some developmental upside, and would do better if thrown on the big stage in a pinch vs. Stave.

The silver lining for me is the Vikings were perhaps less exposed than other NFL teams by this type of occurrence, and the timing is much better than week 10. Maybe not popular to say, but fact is Teddy threw just 14 TDs in 2015, which is meager by any standard and not huge production to replace. Don't get me wrong, I liked his progression but don't think Bridgewater had yet merited the "our guy" role he'd been handed - that's sort of manufactured IMHO, and people are reacting as if we've lost Drew Brees.

Another silver lining is I think the FO will now be forced to do better contingency/succession planning for 2017 and beyond. This is something that could happen on any play of a brutal NFL season. JMHO, but the Vikes have been playing fast and loose hitching their wagons to developmentals like TJack, Ponder and Bridgewater and creating a 'no chance of competition' atmosphere which can lead to crisis when there is no competitive Plan B. Maybe going through something like this changes that approach for the better.      

 
BigJim® said:
Well, desperate times call for desperate measures. If I'm GM I sign one of Sanchez/McCown (if released), move Stave to PS, and sign Mettenberger as a WTH 3rd. I know I'm on an island liking Mettenberger, but he's more developed than Stave and a decent fit for the downfield passing offense Norv could implement in his sleep. Maybe he's reckless, I don't know. I don't know whether he had Turner level of coaching in Tennessee and San Diego, and he should be in relatively decent shape having been cut just yesterday. Also he has an arm that offer some developmental upside, and would do better if thrown on the big stage in a pinch vs. Stave.

The silver lining for me is the Vikings were perhaps less exposed than other NFL teams by this type of occurrence, and the timing is much better than week 10. Maybe not popular to say, but fact is Teddy threw just 14 TDs in 2015, which is meager by any standard and not huge production to replace. Don't get me wrong, I liked his progression but don't think Bridgewater had yet merited the "our guy" role he'd been handed - that's sort of manufactured IMHO, and people are reacting as if we've lost Drew Brees.

Another silver lining is I think the FO will now be forced to do better contingency/succession planning for 2017 and beyond. This is something that could happen on any play of a brutal NFL season. JMHO, but the Vikes have been playing fast and loose hitching their wagons to developmentals like TJack, Ponder and Bridgewater and creating a 'no chance of competition' atmosphere which can lead to crisis when there is no competitive Plan B. Maybe going through something like this changes that approach for the better.      
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We have been over the Zach Mettenberger thing enough. I don't think Zach is the answer, but he is free and if Norv wants him, he is better than nothing.

Obviously really disappointing that Teddy got injured. Plan B was I think supposed to be Heinicke and maybe he could still contribute once healthy. Not a good enough plan B imo and I agree with you that there should be competition at every position, not just every position besides QB.

There are a lot of QBs that the Vikings could look at without needing to trade. There are only a dozen or so really good QB in the NFL. So the Vikings are in the same boat as over half the other teams in the league as far as that goes. Although Hill is likely the worst starter right now. I dunno maybe he is better than Gabbert or Ponder.

 
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Has everyone stepped back off the ledge yet? The Vikings, and AP, will be fine. Bridgewater is a fine young man, and has made some progress since his rookie Season...but he still has a ways to go before he's potentially exceptional, and based on how he profiles, he may never be exceptional - his ceiling is likely good, to very good.

Fantasy Football aside, from a real NFL perspective, Alex Smith is a better NFL QB right now than a healthy Bridgewater. It may be a tough pill to swallow, confronting an uncomfortable reality, but what that means is that his loss much more easily mitigated. You are replacing a 2nd-year QB who is showing signs of developing into a reliable game manager. There are plenty of those types available, including your own: Hill.

Believe in your O-Line. Believe in Robot AP. Believe in Norv. Believe in your Defense.

Even sans Bridgewater, the Vikings are better than the Redskins, Giants, Cowboys, Eagles, Lions, Bears, Saints, Buccaneers, Falcons, Rams and 49'ers, which means that with average QB play, you're still a playoff-caliber team:

NFC East Champ/Panthers/Packers-Vikings/Cardinals-Seahawks - that's still the NFC Playoff picture, whether anyone else wants to accept it, or not.

So buck up!

...and trade for AP on the cheap wherever you have the opportunity. I am. CHOO-CHOO!!!

 
So here's a question.. Who the :censored: do you play at QB tomorrow night???

Can't imagine Hill plays... If he does maybe one series, but just can't see that... So they play Stave for 2 and Sorenson for 2.. Maybe Sorenson for all 4?

 
Heatman said:
Zero chance of this happening.
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:goodposting:

Actually last week it would have intrigued me. His whole political statement thing is going to make it tough for any team to take on that type of controversy. Not to mention that his OG from last year (Boone) has publically blasted him over it. Zero chance this dynamic is added to the locker room.

 
snogger said:
So here's a question.. Who the :censored: do you play at QB tomorrow night???

Can't imagine Hill plays... If he does maybe one series, but just can't see that... So they play Stave for 2 and Sorenson for 2.. Maybe Sorenson for all 4?
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Local news says Stave will start.. no word whether Sorenson will play or not. :mellow:

 
Heatman said:
mjames8282 said:
Kaepernick is the on the way... He will be a viking in the next week to 2... Mark it.
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Zero chance of this happening.
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Kaep will end up being RG3 from last year, not play, make his money, then San Fran will cut him so save over $16 mill which would be guaranteed for 2017.  There's chatter that many teams aren't in favour of taking the extra headaches of a player like Kaep brings to the table, plus that his skills have eroded.

 
The only silver lining I can think of is this team isn't built on QB play so its not like they're replacing Brees or Rodgers.  If Hill or whoever the next QB is can halfway manage a game, this season could still be somewhat interesting. No SB expectations but they can still be potentially competitive.  Saw some articles invoking thoughts of Kurt Warner's STL days but I think that's false hope.

 
Rogi said:
The only silver lining I can think of is this team isn't built on QB play so its not like they're replacing Brees or Rodgers.  If Hill or whoever the next QB is can halfway manage a game, this season could still be somewhat interesting. No SB expectations but they can still be potentially competitive.  Saw some articles invoking thoughts of Kurt Warner's STL days but I think that's false hope.
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Yeah, hill is not warner.  Not the same thing at all here - hill is a 15 year journeyman qb who played ok in Detroit but otherwise hasn't shown a thing.  He might be closer to Josh McCown but that seems optimistic.  

I had the Vikings as a top 2 or 3 team in the NFC this year but now wildcard seems highly doubtful. 

 
Boy, Kearse looked great last night. I was worried during either the 1st/2nd preseason game when he fanned on a RB in the backfield who ultimately ran it into the end zone. Got to make that tackle if you're going to be a safety, but he definitely made his plays last night.

Too bad Mettenberger was claimed by Pitt. Got to admit, the fact that Pitt claimed him makes me want him more.

 
Kearse has gotten better at tackling but he still missed a couple yesterday.

I recall watching him against Derrick Henry and Alabama... not so good and I am kind of worried about this week 1 match up against the Titans. Everyone is going to need to tackle well and bring a friend in that game.

 
Vikes guys - for Dynasty - to get a deal done, I might need to take Charles Johnson/3 year contract, off a guys hands to save him dead years/cap room...I have room to stash him. Worth it?

 
Biabreakable said:
I'm not really a fan of Bradford. I do think the Vikings need to do something though. Can't count on Hill all year.
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They really have nothing to lose at this point.  Their QB situation is horrible.  I've changed my mind, they can bring in Kaepernick.

 
Rogi said:
They really have nothing to lose at this point.  Their QB situation is horrible.  I've changed my mind, they can bring in Kaepernick.
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Never ever happen.  Zimmer nor the Vikings will not deal with that side show. 

Kaep knelling for the National Anthem during the first ever game at U.S. Bank Stadium.  Will not happen.

 
Give Cleveland what it takes to get McCown if you can get him for a 3rd rd pick, or go get Aaron Murray.  You have a month to play Hill while those guys get ready.  Would prefer McCown. but if they think Murray could be good would be a better long term option..  The window with ADP is short, let's do something this year. 

 
23. MIN - Joel Stave evaluated for concussion

Source: Minneapolis Star Tribune - Matt Vensel

Minnesota Vikings QB Joel Stave (concussion) exited the preseason finale against the Los Angeles Rams Thursday, Sept. 1, and is being evaluated for a concussion.

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The Vikings did not need another injury. While Stave wasn't in danger of finding his way into the lineup save by accident, injury or the acquisition of mutant powers, he was at least depth. Now the team has none behind Shaun Hill so you can expect them to make a move via trade or free agency to start bringing bodies in.
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Vikings have to do something or else Jarius Wright or Jerrick McKInnon will be playing QB.

 
This front office has a plan. No need to panick. Last round of cuts is today and they will add a qb. I don't see them trading for a guy even as teams try to stash all of their qbs. They won't do something in a panick that will hurt them in the future. Kap won't happen. A 3rd for McCown won't happen. Bryce Petty might happen, unless the Jets can convince the league his shoulder bruise is serious enough to deserve the IR tag. Heinicke is also ahead if schedule in his rehab and could be back after week 2 or 3.

 
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SMH. A 1st and a 4th? So avoidable, and likely the 2017 cap will now be sandbagged $14 mill in order to make this deal logical at all. That right there folks is the true cost of operating with an empty cupboard at the QB position.

 
This trade tells me 2 things:

1. This team is in a win now mode.  Bradford (if healthy) gives the team at a better shot at the playoffs than Hill does.

2. There is some concern about Bridgewater's injury and when he will be ready.  Bradford is fairly young and is signed for 2 years.  Is he a top notch signal caller? No, but they are very hard to come by.  Teams aren't looking to hand out top notch QBs.

If it ends up being a late first (team success this year) it will be a lot easier to take than a mid to high 1st.  Plus, this team is pretty stacked right now.

 
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