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32 seconds between pitches when he takes the pitch. Over a MINUTE after a foul ball. Dipshit.I wish home plate umps would start calling strikes every time meathead Jonny Gomes steps out of the box in between pitches for more than 15 seconds... which is to say, EVERY time. Jesus Christ, dude. Get back in the f--kin box already!!!
Come on, guys. He has to fix that helmet.32 seconds between pitches when he takes the pitch. Over a MINUTE after a foul ball. Dipshit.I wish home plate umps would start calling strikes every time meathead Jonny Gomes steps out of the box in between pitches for more than 15 seconds... which is to say, EVERY time. Jesus Christ, dude. Get back in the f--kin box already!!!
11 times. He needs a psychiatrist.Come on, guys. He has to fix that helmet.32 seconds between pitches when he takes the pitch. Over a MINUTE after a foul ball. Dipshit.I wish home plate umps would start calling strikes every time meathead Jonny Gomes steps out of the box in between pitches for more than 15 seconds... which is to say, EVERY time. Jesus Christ, dude. Get back in the f--kin box already!!!
Considering it's Gomes, he probably needs a drink.11 times. He needs a psychiatrist.Come on, guys. He has to fix that helmet.32 seconds between pitches when he takes the pitch. Over a MINUTE after a foul ball. Dipshit.I wish home plate umps would start calling strikes every time meathead Jonny Gomes steps out of the box in between pitches for more than 15 seconds... which is to say, EVERY time. Jesus Christ, dude. Get back in the f--kin box already!!!
The Sawx are grooming him to play 3B for them down the stretch and he'll take over SS next year. There's really no way they're trading him, IMO. Especially when they have enough other decent prospects to get Lee/Peavy if they really want to.I have a question on trade value. With the Red Sox reportedly in Cliff Lee trade rumors, any Phillies fan hoping to land Bogaerts in a Lee deal is smoking the good stuff, correct?
eta: Just found this article by Rosenthal today, he thinks they should do a Bogaerts/Lee deal but says they won't.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/boston-red-sox-will-not-trade-top-prospect-xander-bogaerts-for-cliff-lee-073013
Law gave the Sox 4 prospect in his midseason top 50, Bogaerts at 3 and a 3 players outside the top 20. Lee is under contract for 2 more years with a club option. He's not really a rental and he's still a fantastic pitcher. Considering the gulf in value between top 3 and outside the top 20, I'm not so sure the Sox do have enough to make a deal for Lee without including Bogaerts.The Sawx are grooming him to play 3B for them down the stretch and he'll take over SS next year. There's really no way they're trading him, IMO. Especially when they have enough other decent prospects to get Lee/Peavy if they really want to.I have a question on trade value. With the Red Sox reportedly in Cliff Lee trade rumors, any Phillies fan hoping to land Bogaerts in a Lee deal is smoking the good stuff, correct?
eta: Just found this article by Rosenthal today, he thinks they should do a Bogaerts/Lee deal but says they won't.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/boston-red-sox-will-not-trade-top-prospect-xander-bogaerts-for-cliff-lee-073013
He is also due a ton of money. This isn't Cliff Lee on a reasonable contract. Not a chance they trade Bogaerts and yes they definitely have enough to get Lee without Bogaerts if they wanted to. With the way Philly is going and their horrendous farm system if the Sox hypothetically offered Bradley, Barnes and Henry Owens, that should get it done with a reasonable GM not name Amaro.Law gave the Sox 4 prospect in his midseason top 50, Bogaerts at 3 and a 3 players outside the top 20. Lee is under contract for 2 more years with a club option. He's not really a rental and he's still a fantastic pitcher. Considering the gulf in value between top 3 and outside the top 20, I'm not so sure the Sox do have enough to make a deal for Lee without including Bogaerts.The Sawx are grooming him to play 3B for them down the stretch and he'll take over SS next year. There's really no way they're trading him, IMO. Especially when they have enough other decent prospects to get Lee/Peavy if they really want to.I have a question on trade value. With the Red Sox reportedly in Cliff Lee trade rumors, any Phillies fan hoping to land Bogaerts in a Lee deal is smoking the good stuff, correct?
eta: Just found this article by Rosenthal today, he thinks they should do a Bogaerts/Lee deal but says they won't.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/boston-red-sox-will-not-trade-top-prospect-xander-bogaerts-for-cliff-lee-073013
He's due 25 mil per with a 12.5 mil buyout or a 27.5 mil option. A win is atleast 6 mil per WAR at this point and trending higher quickly. He's on pace for a 4.5 fWAR season, or slightly worth more than his contract. He's priced reasonably given his track record and the market. So unless the Phils are going to do a major tear down, I fail to see their incentive to move him without getting a substantial asset in return. Bradley, Barnes and Owens are nice enough prospects, but they're hardly slated to be stars.He is also due a ton of money. This isn't Cliff Lee on a reasonable contract. Not a chance they trade Bogaerts and yes they definitely have enough to get Lee without Bogaerts if they wanted to. With the way Philly is going and their horrendous farm system if the Sox hypothetically offered Bradley, Barnes and Henry Owens, that should get it done with a reasonable GM not name Amaro.Law gave the Sox 4 prospect in his midseason top 50, Bogaerts at 3 and a 3 players outside the top 20. Lee is under contract for 2 more years with a club option. He's not really a rental and he's still a fantastic pitcher. Considering the gulf in value between top 3 and outside the top 20, I'm not so sure the Sox do have enough to make a deal for Lee without including Bogaerts.The Sawx are grooming him to play 3B for them down the stretch and he'll take over SS next year. There's really no way they're trading him, IMO. Especially when they have enough other decent prospects to get Lee/Peavy if they really want to.I have a question on trade value. With the Red Sox reportedly in Cliff Lee trade rumors, any Phillies fan hoping to land Bogaerts in a Lee deal is smoking the good stuff, correct?
eta: Just found this article by Rosenthal today, he thinks they should do a Bogaerts/Lee deal but says they won't.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/boston-red-sox-will-not-trade-top-prospect-xander-bogaerts-for-cliff-lee-073013
If you are trading Bogaerts, he is the type of player who is the centerpiece for a Stanton deal not for a very good but very expensive and aging Cliff Lee.
I know the Dodgers have gotten pretty silly about absorbing expensive deals, but I can't imagine they're "bail out the Ryan Howard deal" silly. The only comparable deal to Howard's that they've eaten is Crawford's, and Crawford was three years younger and came with Adrian Gonzalez.dparker713 said:He's due 25 mil per with a 12.5 mil buyout or a 27.5 mil option. A win is atleast 6 mil per WAR at this point and trending higher quickly. He's on pace for a 4.5 fWAR season, or slightly worth more than his contract. He's priced reasonably given his track record and the market. So unless the Phils are going to do a major tear down, I fail to see their incentive to move him without getting a substantial asset in return. Bradley, Barnes and Owens are nice enough prospects, but they're hardly slated to be stars.The Flying Elvis said:He is also due a ton of money. This isn't Cliff Lee on a reasonable contract. Not a chance they trade Bogaerts and yes they definitely have enough to get Lee without Bogaerts if they wanted to. With the way Philly is going and their horrendous farm system if the Sox hypothetically offered Bradley, Barnes and Henry Owens, that should get it done with a reasonable GM not name Amaro.dparker713 said:Law gave the Sox 4 prospect in his midseason top 50, Bogaerts at 3 and a 3 players outside the top 20. Lee is under contract for 2 more years with a club option. He's not really a rental and he's still a fantastic pitcher. Considering the gulf in value between top 3 and outside the top 20, I'm not so sure the Sox do have enough to make a deal for Lee without including Bogaerts.E-Z Glider said:The Sawx are grooming him to play 3B for them down the stretch and he'll take over SS next year. There's really no way they're trading him, IMO. Especially when they have enough other decent prospects to get Lee/Peavy if they really want to.Billy Bats said:I have a question on trade value. With the Red Sox reportedly in Cliff Lee trade rumors, any Phillies fan hoping to land Bogaerts in a Lee deal is smoking the good stuff, correct?
eta: Just found this article by Rosenthal today, he thinks they should do a Bogaerts/Lee deal but says they won't.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/boston-red-sox-will-not-trade-top-prospect-xander-bogaerts-for-cliff-lee-073013
If you are trading Bogaerts, he is the type of player who is the centerpiece for a Stanton deal not for a very good but very expensive and aging Cliff Lee.
I'm sure the Phils would need to eat some money to get Bogaerts, but they hardly need to sell Lee. Besides, odds are the Dodgers would take Lee AND Howard and return something if they wanted to actually clear the decks.
Not only priced reasonably, but on a 2-year deal. If Lee were on the open market right now, there's no way he signs a 2 year deal for $50m. Its a valuable trade asset for sure, but I still dont see them giving up Bogaerts.dparker713 said:He's due 25 mil per with a 12.5 mil buyout or a 27.5 mil option. A win is atleast 6 mil per WAR at this point and trending higher quickly. He's on pace for a 4.5 fWAR season, or slightly worth more than his contract. He's priced reasonably given his track record and the market.The Flying Elvis said:He is also due a ton of money. This isn't Cliff Lee on a reasonable contract. Not a chance they trade Bogaerts and yes they definitely have enough to get Lee without Bogaerts if they wanted to. With the way Philly is going and their horrendous farm system if the Sox hypothetically offered Bradley, Barnes and Henry Owens, that should get it done with a reasonable GM not name Amaro.dparker713 said:Law gave the Sox 4 prospect in his midseason top 50, Bogaerts at 3 and a 3 players outside the top 20. Lee is under contract for 2 more years with a club option. He's not really a rental and he's still a fantastic pitcher. Considering the gulf in value between top 3 and outside the top 20, I'm not so sure the Sox do have enough to make a deal for Lee without including Bogaerts.E-Z Glider said:The Sawx are grooming him to play 3B for them down the stretch and he'll take over SS next year. There's really no way they're trading him, IMO. Especially when they have enough other decent prospects to get Lee/Peavy if they really want to.Billy Bats said:I have a question on trade value. With the Red Sox reportedly in Cliff Lee trade rumors, any Phillies fan hoping to land Bogaerts in a Lee deal is smoking the good stuff, correct?
eta: Just found this article by Rosenthal today, he thinks they should do a Bogaerts/Lee deal but says they won't.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/boston-red-sox-will-not-trade-top-prospect-xander-bogaerts-for-cliff-lee-073013
If you are trading Bogaerts, he is the type of player who is the centerpiece for a Stanton deal not for a very good but very expensive and aging Cliff Lee.
He also came with Beckett at $17 million per so they essentially paid $134 (excluding last year) just to get Gonzo and pay him $120 million. Howard is only owed $85 (not including this year). I doubt it happens especially since the Dodgers have no place for Howard (I guess they could move him and eat some of his contract) but that deal would be on par with the Sox deal.I know the Dodgers have gotten pretty silly about absorbing expensive deals, but I can't imagine they're "bail out the Ryan Howard deal" silly. The only comparable deal to Howard's that they've eaten is Crawford's, and Crawford was three years younger and came with Adrian Gonzalez.dparker713 said:He's due 25 mil per with a 12.5 mil buyout or a 27.5 mil option. A win is atleast 6 mil per WAR at this point and trending higher quickly. He's on pace for a 4.5 fWAR season, or slightly worth more than his contract. He's priced reasonably given his track record and the market. So unless the Phils are going to do a major tear down, I fail to see their incentive to move him without getting a substantial asset in return. Bradley, Barnes and Owens are nice enough prospects, but they're hardly slated to be stars.The Flying Elvis said:He is also due a ton of money. This isn't Cliff Lee on a reasonable contract. Not a chance they trade Bogaerts and yes they definitely have enough to get Lee without Bogaerts if they wanted to. With the way Philly is going and their horrendous farm system if the Sox hypothetically offered Bradley, Barnes and Henry Owens, that should get it done with a reasonable GM not name Amaro.dparker713 said:Law gave the Sox 4 prospect in his midseason top 50, Bogaerts at 3 and a 3 players outside the top 20. Lee is under contract for 2 more years with a club option. He's not really a rental and he's still a fantastic pitcher. Considering the gulf in value between top 3 and outside the top 20, I'm not so sure the Sox do have enough to make a deal for Lee without including Bogaerts.E-Z Glider said:The Sawx are grooming him to play 3B for them down the stretch and he'll take over SS next year. There's really no way they're trading him, IMO. Especially when they have enough other decent prospects to get Lee/Peavy if they really want to.Billy Bats said:I have a question on trade value. With the Red Sox reportedly in Cliff Lee trade rumors, any Phillies fan hoping to land Bogaerts in a Lee deal is smoking the good stuff, correct?
eta: Just found this article by Rosenthal today, he thinks they should do a Bogaerts/Lee deal but says they won't.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/boston-red-sox-will-not-trade-top-prospect-xander-bogaerts-for-cliff-lee-073013
If you are trading Bogaerts, he is the type of player who is the centerpiece for a Stanton deal not for a very good but very expensive and aging Cliff Lee.
I'm sure the Phils would need to eat some money to get Bogaerts, but they hardly need to sell Lee. Besides, odds are the Dodgers would take Lee AND Howard and return something if they wanted to actually clear the decks.
Trading for an injured 33 year old replacement level player on a terrible deal and an elite 34 year old starting pitcher owed around $30 million for a year and two months of club control is not the same as trading for 29 year old Adrian Gonzalez on a long term deal plus a 30 year old Carl Crawford, even after you account for the Beckett throw-in.He also came with Beckett at $17 million per so they essentially paid $134 (excluding last year) just to get Gonzo and pay him $120 million. Howard is only owed $85 (not including this year). I doubt it happens especially since the Dodgers have no place for Howard (I guess they could move him and eat some of his contract) but that deal would be on par with the Sox deal.I know the Dodgers have gotten pretty silly about absorbing expensive deals, but I can't imagine they're "bail out the Ryan Howard deal" silly. The only comparable deal to Howard's that they've eaten is Crawford's, and Crawford was three years younger and came with Adrian Gonzalez.dparker713 said:He's due 25 mil per with a 12.5 mil buyout or a 27.5 mil option. A win is atleast 6 mil per WAR at this point and trending higher quickly. He's on pace for a 4.5 fWAR season, or slightly worth more than his contract. He's priced reasonably given his track record and the market. So unless the Phils are going to do a major tear down, I fail to see their incentive to move him without getting a substantial asset in return. Bradley, Barnes and Owens are nice enough prospects, but they're hardly slated to be stars.The Flying Elvis said:He is also due a ton of money. This isn't Cliff Lee on a reasonable contract. Not a chance they trade Bogaerts and yes they definitely have enough to get Lee without Bogaerts if they wanted to. With the way Philly is going and their horrendous farm system if the Sox hypothetically offered Bradley, Barnes and Henry Owens, that should get it done with a reasonable GM not name Amaro.dparker713 said:Law gave the Sox 4 prospect in his midseason top 50, Bogaerts at 3 and a 3 players outside the top 20. Lee is under contract for 2 more years with a club option. He's not really a rental and he's still a fantastic pitcher. Considering the gulf in value between top 3 and outside the top 20, I'm not so sure the Sox do have enough to make a deal for Lee without including Bogaerts.E-Z Glider said:The Sawx are grooming him to play 3B for them down the stretch and he'll take over SS next year. There's really no way they're trading him, IMO. Especially when they have enough other decent prospects to get Lee/Peavy if they really want to.Billy Bats said:I have a question on trade value. With the Red Sox reportedly in Cliff Lee trade rumors, any Phillies fan hoping to land Bogaerts in a Lee deal is smoking the good stuff, correct?
eta: Just found this article by Rosenthal today, he thinks they should do a Bogaerts/Lee deal but says they won't.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/boston-red-sox-will-not-trade-top-prospect-xander-bogaerts-for-cliff-lee-073013
If you are trading Bogaerts, he is the type of player who is the centerpiece for a Stanton deal not for a very good but very expensive and aging Cliff Lee.
I'm sure the Phils would need to eat some money to get Bogaerts, but they hardly need to sell Lee. Besides, odds are the Dodgers would take Lee AND Howard and return something if they wanted to actually clear the decks.
Oh, I don't think they're giving up Bogaerts, I just don't think the Phillies do the deal without him included.Not only priced reasonably, but on a 2-year deal. If Lee were on the open market right now, there's no way he signs a 2 year deal for $50m. Its a valuable trade asset for sure, but I still dont see them giving up Bogaerts.dparker713 said:He's due 25 mil per with a 12.5 mil buyout or a 27.5 mil option. A win is atleast 6 mil per WAR at this point and trending higher quickly. He's on pace for a 4.5 fWAR season, or slightly worth more than his contract. He's priced reasonably given his track record and the market.The Flying Elvis said:He is also due a ton of money. This isn't Cliff Lee on a reasonable contract. Not a chance they trade Bogaerts and yes they definitely have enough to get Lee without Bogaerts if they wanted to. With the way Philly is going and their horrendous farm system if the Sox hypothetically offered Bradley, Barnes and Henry Owens, that should get it done with a reasonable GM not name Amaro.dparker713 said:Law gave the Sox 4 prospect in his midseason top 50, Bogaerts at 3 and a 3 players outside the top 20. Lee is under contract for 2 more years with a club option. He's not really a rental and he's still a fantastic pitcher. Considering the gulf in value between top 3 and outside the top 20, I'm not so sure the Sox do have enough to make a deal for Lee without including Bogaerts.E-Z Glider said:The Sawx are grooming him to play 3B for them down the stretch and he'll take over SS next year. There's really no way they're trading him, IMO. Especially when they have enough other decent prospects to get Lee/Peavy if they really want to.Billy Bats said:I have a question on trade value. With the Red Sox reportedly in Cliff Lee trade rumors, any Phillies fan hoping to land Bogaerts in a Lee deal is smoking the good stuff, correct?
eta: Just found this article by Rosenthal today, he thinks they should do a Bogaerts/Lee deal but says they won't.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/boston-red-sox-will-not-trade-top-prospect-xander-bogaerts-for-cliff-lee-073013
If you are trading Bogaerts, he is the type of player who is the centerpiece for a Stanton deal not for a very good but very expensive and aging Cliff Lee.
Lee is under club control for through the 2015 season with a team option for 2016. And by all indications, money just doesn't matter to the Dodgers.Trading for an injured 33 year old replacement level player on a terrible deal and an elite 34 year old starting pitcher owed around $30 million for a year and two months of club control is not the same as trading for 29 year old Adrian Gonzalez on a long term deal plus a 30 year old Carl Crawford, even after you account for the Beckett throw-in.He also came with Beckett at $17 million per so they essentially paid $134 (excluding last year) just to get Gonzo and pay him $120 million. Howard is only owed $85 (not including this year). I doubt it happens especially since the Dodgers have no place for Howard (I guess they could move him and eat some of his contract) but that deal would be on par with the Sox deal.I know the Dodgers have gotten pretty silly about absorbing expensive deals, but I can't imagine they're "bail out the Ryan Howard deal" silly. The only comparable deal to Howard's that they've eaten is Crawford's, and Crawford was three years younger and came with Adrian Gonzalez.dparker713 said:He's due 25 mil per with a 12.5 mil buyout or a 27.5 mil option. A win is atleast 6 mil per WAR at this point and trending higher quickly. He's on pace for a 4.5 fWAR season, or slightly worth more than his contract. He's priced reasonably given his track record and the market. So unless the Phils are going to do a major tear down, I fail to see their incentive to move him without getting a substantial asset in return. Bradley, Barnes and Owens are nice enough prospects, but they're hardly slated to be stars.The Flying Elvis said:He is also due a ton of money. This isn't Cliff Lee on a reasonable contract. Not a chance they trade Bogaerts and yes they definitely have enough to get Lee without Bogaerts if they wanted to. With the way Philly is going and their horrendous farm system if the Sox hypothetically offered Bradley, Barnes and Henry Owens, that should get it done with a reasonable GM not name Amaro.dparker713 said:Law gave the Sox 4 prospect in his midseason top 50, Bogaerts at 3 and a 3 players outside the top 20. Lee is under contract for 2 more years with a club option. He's not really a rental and he's still a fantastic pitcher. Considering the gulf in value between top 3 and outside the top 20, I'm not so sure the Sox do have enough to make a deal for Lee without including Bogaerts.E-Z Glider said:The Sawx are grooming him to play 3B for them down the stretch and he'll take over SS next year. There's really no way they're trading him, IMO. Especially when they have enough other decent prospects to get Lee/Peavy if they really want to.Billy Bats said:I have a question on trade value. With the Red Sox reportedly in Cliff Lee trade rumors, any Phillies fan hoping to land Bogaerts in a Lee deal is smoking the good stuff, correct?
eta: Just found this article by Rosenthal today, he thinks they should do a Bogaerts/Lee deal but says they won't.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/boston-red-sox-will-not-trade-top-prospect-xander-bogaerts-for-cliff-lee-073013
If you are trading Bogaerts, he is the type of player who is the centerpiece for a Stanton deal not for a very good but very expensive and aging Cliff Lee.
I'm sure the Phils would need to eat some money to get Bogaerts, but they hardly need to sell Lee. Besides, odds are the Dodgers would take Lee AND Howard and return something if they wanted to actually clear the decks.
I thought he was only signed through 2014 for some reason. My bad. That makes it more palatable. Still doubt it would work for the Dodgers though. Although it is intriguing. Another complication is that the Dodgers may see the Phils as one of their few large market NL rivals and thus might be less inclined to help them get out from under the Howard deal.Lee is under club control for through the 2015 season with a team option for 2016. And by all indications, money just doesn't matter to the Dodgers.
RW is saying "apparent left hamstring injury".Gallardo leaves game w/injury
So has Bud NorrisPeavy has been pulled from tonight's game....
Yeah ESPN says CHI sent his medical records to BOS and that some outlets are reporting the deal as done. Kirkjian said Jose Iglesias is involved.Sounds like peavy is changing his sox
Its not like Howard has no value. He just shouldn't face any lefties. He needs to be platooned.The Phillies might as well just eat Howard's contract since he isn't blocking anyone and they'd have to go out and spend $10 million plus on an equally able 1B.
Darin Ruf eats lefties alive. Why not him?Its not like Howard has no value. He just shouldn't face any lefties. He needs to be platooned.The Phillies might as well just eat Howard's contract since he isn't blocking anyone and they'd have to go out and spend $10 million plus on an equally able 1B.
Agreed. He was a .5 WAR player and he can't play much worse. He is just being paid 2.5X-3X his worth. I agree that he needs to be platooned or at the very least, dropped in the order b/c he is a black hole in the clean up position.E-Z Glider said:Its not like Howard has no value. He just shouldn't face any lefties. He needs to be platooned.The Phillies might as well just eat Howard's contract since he isn't blocking anyone and they'd have to go out and spend $10 million plus on an equally able 1B.
Can only help Kennedys value.Kennedy to the Pads for Thatcher, a minor leaguer, and plan B comp
The minor leaguer is AA reliever Matt Stites who's followed up his ridiculous 20 SO/BB ratio last year with a still impressive 6.4 SO/BB.Kennedy to the Pads for Thatcher, a minor leaguer, and plan B comp
his road & home splits are both horrible. stay awayCan only help Kennedys value.Kennedy to the Pads for Thatcher, a minor leaguer, and plan B comp
learned my lesson after our draft.his road & home splits are both horrible. stay awayCan only help Kennedys value.Kennedy to the Pads for Thatcher, a minor leaguer, and plan B comp
Bud Norris is heading to Baltimore for Hoes
August 15 would be better and then have two weeks of the waiver trade deadline.The 2nd WC has killed the trade deadline. They really need to move it back to Aug 31