***Official MLB 2013 Season Thread (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

The freaking third base coach sometimes always wears a helmet, and he has way more reaction time.

 

[dparker713]

Cobb (the guy lost in all the Matt Moore talk) took a liner off the head. Doing as well as can be expected. Minor concussion, never lost consciousness.

Video

Imagine that at some point, pitchers are going to start being required to wear helmets or some type of protection.

Helmets at that range with those speeds are not effective. If they were, Brandon McCarthy would be wearing one right now.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Cobb (the guy lost in all the Matt Moore talk) took a liner off the head. Doing as well as can be expected. Minor concussion, never lost consciousness. Video Imagine that at some point, pitchers are going to start being required to wear helmets or some type of protection.

Helmets at that range with those speeds are not effective. If they were, Brandon McCarthy would be wearing one right now.

Thanks, doc

Are you really trying to tell us that BMc's skull was just as likely to be fractured with a helmet as it was without?

 

[pollardsvision]

Why shouldn't they be wearing helmets? It's kind of ridiculous actually. The freaking third base coach sometimes wears a helmet, and he has way more reaction time.

I think MLB has been trying to find one they can approve for a while now, but haven't been able to find a piece of headgear that can reliable withstand the speeds that balls come off the bat.

 

[shadyridr]

Why shouldn't they be wearing helmets? It's kind of ridiculous actually. The freaking third base coach sometimes wears a helmet, and he has way more reaction time.

the weight of the helmet would throw off their mechanics possibly leading to more injuries. They actually developed a padded hat.

 

[Premier]

Cobb (the guy lost in all the Matt Moore talk) took a liner off the head. Doing as well as can be expected. Minor concussion, never lost consciousness.

Video

Imagine that at some point, pitchers are going to start being required to wear helmets or some type of protection.

Helmets at that range with those speeds are not effective. If they were, Brandon McCarthy would be wearing one right now.

What? So why do the hitters wear one?

 

[RnR]

Cobb (the guy lost in all the Matt Moore talk) took a liner off the head. Doing as well as can be expected. Minor concussion, never lost consciousness.

Video

Imagine that at some point, pitchers are going to start being required to wear helmets or some type of protection.

Helmets at that range with those speeds are not effective. If they were, Brandon McCarthy would be wearing one right now.

What? So why do the hitters wear one?

When not performing surgery, dparks does some freelance work in the R&D of helmets. Better just to trust him than ask questions, really.

 

[dparker713]

Cobb (the guy lost in all the Matt Moore talk) took a liner off the head. Doing as well as can be expected. Minor concussion, never lost consciousness.

Video

Imagine that at some point, pitchers are going to start being required to wear helmets or some type of protection.

Helmets at that range with those speeds are not effective. If they were, Brandon McCarthy would be wearing one right now.

What? So why do the hitters wear one?

When not performing surgery, dparks does some freelance work in the R&D of helmets. Better just to trust him than ask questions, really.

Its comments like these that make me realize why people like Mike Lupica still has a job.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Was that supposed to be a funny?

 

[sporthenry]

Cobb (the guy lost in all the Matt Moore talk) took a liner off the head. Doing as well as can be expected. Minor concussion, never lost consciousness.

Video

Imagine that at some point, pitchers are going to start being required to wear helmets or some type of protection.

Helmets at that range with those speeds are not effective. If they were, Brandon McCarthy would be wearing one right now.

What? So why do the hitters wear one?

How silly of the hitters. I could hear other parts of the argument but so, the padded hat will help, but the helmets, well they are just useless.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Jimmy Rollins. He still got anything left? Can he be a factor the rest of the year?

 

[sporthenry]

Jimmy Rollins. He still got anything left? Can he be a factor the rest of the year?

In real baseball or fake baseball?

 

[pollardsvision]

Cobb (the guy lost in all the Matt Moore talk) took a liner off the head. Doing as well as can be expected. Minor concussion, never lost consciousness.

Video

Imagine that at some point, pitchers are going to start being required to wear helmets or some type of protection.

Helmets at that range with those speeds are not effective. If they were, Brandon McCarthy would be wearing one right now.

What? So why do the hitters wear one?

Pitchers and batters are very different situations on this issue.

The types of helmets being tested for pitches have to less obstructive (headgear would be the more proper term), yet still be able to withstand speeds greater than the pitches batters might see coming at their head. Pitchers are also in a far more vulnerable position when the ball is traveling at them.

Then you've got the issue that headgear that's not restrictive, like the one's being tested, still woudldn't have helped some of these pitches, like JA Happ when he got hit in the ear.

It's not a simple matter.

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm fairly certain that Chris Davis could bench press a pickup truck.

 

[Premier]

Cobb (the guy lost in all the Matt Moore talk) took a liner off the head. Doing as well as can be expected. Minor concussion, never lost consciousness.

Video

Imagine that at some point, pitchers are going to start being required to wear helmets or some type of protection.

Helmets at that range with those speeds are not effective. If they were, Brandon McCarthy would be wearing one right now.

What? So why do the hitters wear one?

Pitchers and batters are very different situations on this issue.The types of helmets being tested for pitches have to less obstructive (headgear would be the more proper term), yet still be able to withstand speeds greater than the pitches batters might see coming at their head. Pitchers are also in a far more vulnerable position when the ball is traveling at them.

Then you've got the issue that headgear that's not restrictive, like the one's being tested, still woudldn't have helped some of these pitches, like JA Happ when he got hit in the ear.

It's not a simple matter.

Why does it have to be perfect out of the gate? NFL helmets have developed tremendously over the past 20 years.

Anything has to be better than a freaking baseball cap.

 

[sporthenry]

Cobb (the guy lost in all the Matt Moore talk) took a liner off the head. Doing as well as can be expected. Minor concussion, never lost consciousness.

Video

Imagine that at some point, pitchers are going to start being required to wear helmets or some type of protection.

Helmets at that range with those speeds are not effective. If they were, Brandon McCarthy would be wearing one right now.

What? So why do the hitters wear one?

Pitchers and batters are very different situations on this issue.

The types of helmets being tested for pitches have to less obstructive (headgear would be the more proper term), yet still be able to withstand speeds greater than the pitches batters might see coming at their head. Pitchers are also in a far more vulnerable position when the ball is traveling at them.

Then you've got the issue that headgear that's not restrictive, like the one's being tested, still woudldn't have helped some of these pitches, like JA Happ when he got hit in the ear.

It's not a simple matter.

So its not that helmets are ineffective as you originally claimed. But that, pitchers are reluctant to put them on their head so there is a give and take to find something that works for both sides.

 

[sporthenry]

Another indication of the ongoing decline of civilization. Courtesy of Costas during the US Open.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Cobb (the guy lost in all the Matt Moore talk) took a liner off the head. Doing as well as can be expected. Minor concussion, never lost consciousness.

Video

Imagine that at some point, pitchers are going to start being required to wear helmets or some type of protection.

Helmets at that range with those speeds are not effective. If they were, Brandon McCarthy would be wearing one right now.

What? So why do the hitters wear one?

Pitchers and batters are very different situations on this issue.

The types of helmets being tested for pitches have to less obstructive (headgear would be the more proper term), yet still be able to withstand speeds greater than the pitches batters might see coming at their head. Pitchers are also in a far more vulnerable position when the ball is traveling at them.

Then you've got the issue that headgear that's not restrictive, like the one's being tested, still woudldn't have helped some of these pitches, like JA Happ when he got hit in the ear.

It's not a simple matter.

So its not that helmets are ineffective as you originally claimed. But that, pitchers are reluctant to put them on their head so there is a give and take to find something that works for both sides.

To be fair, Dr Parker was the one that chimed in about the helmet's ineffectiveness. Not pollard.

 

[the moops]

the weight of the helmet would throw off their mechanics possibly leading to more injuries.

Oh come on

well #### - i cant edit out cappy's quote thing. stupid board

 

[sporthenry]

So its not that helmets are ineffective as you originally claimed. But that, pitchers are reluctant to put them on their head so there is a give and take to find something that works for both sides.

To be fair, Dr Parker was the one that chimed in about the helmet's ineffectiveness. Not pollard.

Good catch. Mea culpa.

 

[shadyridr]

the weight of the helmet would throw off their mechanics possibly leading to more injuries.

Oh come on

well #### - i cant edit out cappy's quote thing. stupid board

More weight on the head = slight change in mechanics + more strain on the elbow & shoulder = more injuries

NEW YORK -- By the end of this week, at least a dozen big league pitchers will have padded caps to try out as Major League Baseball looks into ways to improve protection against head injuries from line drives, according to a protective equipment manufacturer.

Rob Vito, president of Pennsylvania-based Unequal Technologies Co., said MLB has examined caps containing Unequal's CRT padding and requested and received modifications, as well as the results of laboratory testing. Vito said he's encouraged by his communications with MLB and is now sending caps lined with the padding to pitchers for their examination and experimentation.


"We help reduce the possibility of head injury and its severity," said Vito, adding that although the CRT name comes from "concussion reduction technology," Unequal doesn't purport to prevent concussions with its padding. Its padding also is used to line helmets for baseball, football, hockey, lacrosse and other sports.

Vito said Unequal's padding for each cap weighs 4.3 ounces, is one-eighth of an inch thick and is made of a three-layer synthetic composite that includes military-grade DuPont Kevlar and a polymer with the properties of rubber. He also said Unequal could mass-produce the cap padding and sell it as an insert for about $60 apiece retail.

Unequal isn't alone in providing pitchers headgear for MLB's consideration. MLB senior vice president Dan Halem said Monday that discussions are being held with Unequal and five other companies whose products are in different stages of development and use different materials. Among them is Georgia-based EvoShield, which submitted a prototype and is testing it, Halem said.

Reached Monday, EvoShield director of product development Justin Niefer said his company's "gel-to-shell technology" product for use in caps is one-quarter of an inch thick, weighs less than five ounces and conforms to the head for a comfortable fit. Niefer said the cap padding is undergoing two days of high-speed impact lab testing at Wayne State University in Detroit.

Attention to the issue of pitchers' safety heightened in the final two months of last season. In September, a line drive off the bat of the Angels' Erick Aybar struck Oakland Athletics pitcher Brandon McCarthy on the right side of the head, resulting in a skull fracture, brain contusion and epidural hemorrhage. Then in Game 2 of the World Series in San Francisco, Tigers pitcher Doug Fister escaped injury when he was struck in the head by Gregor Blanco's line drive.

According to Vito, three months before the McCarthy incident, New Era, the official cap maker of Major League Baseball, contacted Unequal about providing padded linings for pitchers' caps.

After Fister was hit, MLB's Halem said that McCarthy's injury "pushed up our timetable" and that padded caps could be introduced in the minor leagues as early as next season. Two weeks ago, MLB medical director Dr. Gary Green presented ideas and products to executives, team athletic trainers and doctors at the baseball winter meetings in Nashville, Tenn.

Halem said that MLB hopes to have tested and signed off on multiple safety products, and conferred on them with the Major League Baseball Players Association, in time for spring training so pitchers could individually choose the cap they wish to wear. But, Halem said, "we're not there yet."

Athletics head athletic trainer Nick Paparesta said that although head injuries suffered on a mound are rare, pitchers are vulnerable and some form of padding is worth a try. Even so, he doesn't think it would have protected McCarthy.

"In my opinion, where he was struck was just below the cap line," Paparesta said.

McCarthy underwent surgery and missed the last month of the season and postseason. Last week, he signed a two-year contract with the Arizona Diamondbacks as a free agent after receiving medical clearance to resume workouts and throwing.

A padded cap wouldn't have helped former Red Sox pitcher Bryce Florie, who in 2000 was struck in the face and right eye by a Ryan Thompson liner and suffered broken bones and retinal damage. Florie says he'd be in favor of a padded cap as a start and that his episode got him thinking about more drastic protection.

"The day before I was hit, I'd say no way I'd want to wear a mask. The day after? Yes, I would've," Florie said.

Former major league manager Tony La Russa said a cap liner seems like a reasonable approach as long as expectations are also reasonable.

"You can't take all the risk out of the game," La Russa said. "It's just not going to happen unless you do some very revolutionary things, like put a screen in front of a pitcher, for example."

Mike Oliver, executive director of the National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment, said, "The old saw in the industry is a little more (protection) is better than a little less."

NOCSAE announced it is introducing new standards next month for testing headgear, including face protection, for fielders in baseball and softball. Various youth leagues, slow-pitch softball and other organizations require pitchers and other fielders to wear protective headgear.

Vito said Unequal's padding for pitchers' caps passed NOCSAE-standard testing last month at New York's Intertek Lab.

For Unequal, EvoShield and other companies, there are challenges beyond establishing to MLB's satisfaction that the padded caps will improve safety for pitchers who've previously had just cotton between them and high-speed line drives in the direction of their head. For instance, nothing about a new lining can be cumbersome or disruptive to a pitcher's routine movements.

As La Russa said, "You make that violent move and that hat is distracting or harmful, then you don't pitch as good."

There also is the matter of style when it comes to the added substance. The difference in the cap has to be as imperceptible to everyone as possible or the men who would wear them might not be receptive to change.

"We still have to pass the mirror test," Vito said. "That pitcher must be out there, and no one must know that it (padding) is in the hat."

 

[pollardsvision]

Cobb (the guy lost in all the Matt Moore talk) took a liner off the head. Doing as well as can be expected. Minor concussion, never lost consciousness.

Video

Imagine that at some point, pitchers are going to start being required to wear helmets or some type of protection.

Helmets at that range with those speeds are not effective. If they were, Brandon McCarthy would be wearing one right now.

What? So why do the hitters wear one?

Pitchers and batters are very different situations on this issue.The types of helmets being tested for pitches have to less obstructive (headgear would be the more proper term), yet still be able to withstand speeds greater than the pitches batters might see coming at their head. Pitchers are also in a far more vulnerable position when the ball is traveling at them.

Then you've got the issue that headgear that's not restrictive, like the one's being tested, still woudldn't have helped some of these pitches, like JA Happ when he got hit in the ear.

It's not a simple matter.

Why does it have to be perfect out of the gate? NFL helmets have developed tremendously over the past 20 years.

Anything has to be better than a freaking baseball cap.

Maybe not perfect, but it needs to be pretty effective, or it could just add more dangers.

Pitchers already have a pretty effective injury prevention tool: fear and good fielding techniques.

I don't know if wearing headgear would add any more sense of security or not (it's not like batters go leaning their heads into pitches because of helmets). Some think it could happen, and if it did, you certainly don't want to the piece to be inferior.

I'm no expert on the subject, but I'd guess there's some liability issues from MLB's side. They don't want to approve something unless it really does the job.

 

[pollardsvision]

Cobb (the guy lost in all the Matt Moore talk) took a liner off the head. Doing as well as can be expected. Minor concussion, never lost consciousness.

Video

Imagine that at some point, pitchers are going to start being required to wear helmets or some type of protection.

Helmets at that range with those speeds are not effective. If they were, Brandon McCarthy would be wearing one right now.

What? So why do the hitters wear one?

Pitchers and batters are very different situations on this issue.

The types of helmets being tested for pitches have to less obstructive (headgear would be the more proper term), yet still be able to withstand speeds greater than the pitches batters might see coming at their head. Pitchers are also in a far more vulnerable position when the ball is traveling at them.

Then you've got the issue that headgear that's not restrictive, like the one's being tested, still woudldn't have helped some of these pitches, like JA Happ when he got hit in the ear.

It's not a simple matter.

So its not that helmets are ineffective as you originally claimed. But that, pitchers are reluctant to put them on their head so there is a give and take to find something that works for both sides.

I think the above post is about effectiveness.The needs of a pitchers headgear are far different than those of a batting helmet. They need to be able to absorb more powerful impact and still be less obstructive.

I don't think that has anything to do with pitchers' desire not to look funny. There are very real, important issues when it comes to headgear weight and obstruction.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Will Venable with the catch of the year with the game on the line. You can argue that Trout's grab in Baltimore last year was better, but considering the circumstances, it doesn't get any better than Will's catch tonight.

7 in row for the Fathers!

 

[collective]

Will Venable with the catch of the year with the game on the line. You can argue that Trout's grab in Baltimore last year was better, but considering the circumstances, it doesn't get any better than Will's catch tonight.

7 in row for the Fathers!

Could have at least posted the video for those that did not see it...

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2013_06_17_sdnmlb_sfnmlb_1&mode=video&content_id=28124669&tcid=vpp_copy_28124669

 

[pollardsvision]

Gattis to the DL with a strained oblique on a check swing. I'm no swing expert, but that makes sense. Hard, violent swing with absolutely no lower body movement. It makes my back and sides hurt just watching him swing.

 

[Wrigley]

injuries a plenty

 

[General Malaise]

Harvey is goodish.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Machado is already the best fielding 3Bman in baseball IMO. He's 21.

Arenado is pretty good in the NL also, nice to see these young hot corner guys playing so well.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Machado is already the best fielding 3Bman in baseball IMO. He's 21.

Arenado is pretty good in the NL also, nice to see these young hot corner guys playing so well.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Machado is already the best fielding 3Bman in baseball IMO. He's 21.

Arenado is pretty good in the NL also, nice to see these young hot corner guys playing so well.

No man crush...yet.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Machado is already the best fielding 3Bman in baseball IMO. He's 21.

Arenado is pretty good in the NL also, nice to see these young hot corner guys playing so well.

No man crush...yet.

But they're so young hot!

 

[rascal]

I give up trying to understand the Rockies. Just traded EY2 to Mets for a pitcher with a 10+ ERA. I need a new team.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/san-jose-sues-mlb-to-get-as-charges-teams-conspire-to-maintain-monopoly-power-in-their-markets/

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Machado is already the best fielding 3Bman in baseball IMO. He's 21.

Arenado is pretty good in the NL also, nice to see these young hot corner guys playing so well.

No man crush...yet.

But they're so young hot!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/san-jose-sues-mlb-to-get-as-charges-teams-conspire-to-maintain-monopoly-power-in-their-markets/

Not sure about all of that but I know they need to get out of that ####hole stadium they are currently in. Whether it's in Oakland, San Jose, Fremont or on Alcatraz Island is not important.

 

[scoobus]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/san-jose-sues-mlb-to-get-as-charges-teams-conspire-to-maintain-monopoly-power-in-their-markets/

Not sure about all of that but I know they need to get out of that ####hole stadium they are currently in. Whether it's in Oakland, San Jose, Fremont or on Alcatraz Island is not important.

How cool would that be?

 

[Dr. Awesome]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/san-jose-sues-mlb-to-get-as-charges-teams-conspire-to-maintain-monopoly-power-in-their-markets/

Not sure about all of that but I know they need to get out of that ####hole stadium they are currently in. Whether it's in Oakland, San Jose, Fremont or on Alcatraz Island is not important.

Agreed. That lawsuit seems like a long shot but they need a new stadium, badly. Their current one is such a pile of junk. Lots of great areas in Oakland if they don't move. Wish Selig would give a firm no so everyone could move on.

 

[Raider Nation]

Jankees/Doyers on MLB.

 

[rascal]

Okay, I'm dumping Valverde. Who are some non-closers I should target who have a shot at becoming a closer? Best closer available now is Cishek. I'll pick him up, but woof.

 

[scoobus]

Okay, I'm dumping Valverde. Who are some non-closers I should target who have a shot at becoming a closer? Best closer available now is Cishek. I'll pick him up, but woof.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?s=087e4cd5f716e0e58f0e5aee80c93dbc&showtopic=677199

 

[rascal]

Okay, I'm dumping Valverde. Who are some non-closers I should target who have a shot at becoming a closer? Best closer available now is Cishek. I'll pick him up, but woof.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?s=087e4cd5f716e0e58f0e5aee80c93dbc&showtopic=677199

oops

 

[Annyong]

Okay, I'm dumping Valverde. Who are some non-closers I should target who have a shot at becoming a closer? Best closer available now is Cishek. I'll pick him up, but woof.

You rostered Big Tato Witt Cishek available?

 

[sporthenry]

Torre's Daughter Woof

 

[shadyridr]

Torre's Daughter Woof

BS Thats Joe Torre in a wig

 

[pollardsvision]

Torre's Daughter Woof

BS Thats Joe Torre in a wig

She kind of looks like Mark Ruffalo.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Torre's Daughter Woof

BS Thats Joe Torre in a wig

She kind of looks like Mark Ruffalo.

 

[Wrigley]

I've made 4 trades so far this year

Melky for A Hill

A LaRoche for A Pagan

J Henderson for A Sanchez

C Headley for E Cabrera

All 4 are on the DL, and looks like I'm going to lose Pagan for the year.

Throw in Hart, Burnett, and Pineda and I don't have any bench spots left(only 3 healthy SP).

Ughhhh

Time to dump Hart for Depth?

 

[scoobus]

Guys, nobody cares about your ####ty fantasy teams.

 

[Wrigley]

Guys, nobody cares about your ####ty fantasy teams.

You're right, sorry

Thanks for your fantastic insight