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***Official Philadelphia Phillies Thread*** - Castellanos ****s wit Philly (2 Viewers)

Oof. Who would have ever thought Doc would be our 5th starter? What amazes me is that Lee is only 1 year younger than Doc but has shown no signs of slowing down. Thankfully, Doc isn't signed past this year but I wonder if he'll take a sabbatical like Oswalt did to figure things out. Speaking of Oswalt, maybe its time to pick up the phone.

 
sporthenry said:
Oof. Who would have ever thought Doc would be our 5th starter? What amazes me is that Lee is only 1 year younger than Doc but has shown no signs of slowing down. Thankfully, Doc isn't signed past this year but I wonder if he'll take a sabbatical like Oswalt did to figure things out. Speaking of Oswalt, maybe its time to pick up the phone.
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Nah, he'll sign with the Yankees and win 3 more Cy Youngs
 
sporthenry said:
Oof. Who would have ever thought Doc would be our 5th starter?
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Doc has the 2nd-worst ERA in baseball since May 1 of last year among pitchers with 150+ IP. Ubaldo is the worst

 
E-Z Glider said:
sporthenry said:
Oof. Who would have ever thought Doc would be our 5th starter?
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Doc has the 2nd-worst ERA in baseball since May 1 of last year among pitchers with 150+ IP. Ubaldo is the worst
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A potential HOF career book ended by 2 of the worst seasons in history? Strange to say the least. If he isn't going to turn it around, I'm kinda rooting for him to break the record again just because it would be one of the strangest narratives.

 
Oof

Yuniesky Betancourt – who was released by the Phillies the final week of spring training – has seven home runs and 22 RBIs in 26 games with the Brewers. Those numbers would lead the Phillies, and his .551 slugging percentage would be tops by 46 points.
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The Phillies had two other veterans in spring camp in recent years who were released and went on to thrive immediately thereafter.

Ryan Vogelsong spent 25 games in 2010 with the Iron Pigs, where he struck out 73 batters and walked 40 in 58 2/3 innings before being released. He latched on with the Giants, made an All-Star team in his first year and has recorded a 28-18 record with a 3.29 ERA in 400 innings since.

There’s also Jason Grilli, though his case is a bit more curious. He signed with the Phillies in January 2011, had a 1.93 ERA and 11.8 K/9 in 28 games for Lehigh Valley, then was released. A journyeman reliever to that point, Grilli signed with the Pirates and has a 2.53 ERA and 12.6 strikeouts per nine in 105 appearances. This season, he’s 11 for 11 in save opportunities with a 0.83 WHIP, a 0.75 ERA and 18 Ks in 12 innings.

Hindsight, pure and simple. But things could have been different in the starting staff, bullpen or bench had the Phillies chosen differently.
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Sure, misses happen but this team seems reluctant to bring in others from the outside. Whether it is Charlie who sticks by his veterans or if it comes from RAJ. Either way, I want both gone.

 
Dom Brown splash landing. Michael Young having himself a game. Maybe the bats are waking. Doubtful, probably just another tease.

Might be time to drop Revere for Brown in Fake Baseball.

 
Eephus said:
The Flying Elvis said:
sporthenry said:
Dom Brown splash landing. Michael Young having himself a game. Maybe the bats are waking. Doubtful, probably just another tease.

Might be time to drop Revere for Brown in Fake Baseball.
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Don't see why Revere would be rostered on any team in fake baseball at this point.
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He had 40 SB after May 17th last year.

Cheap speed is key in deep leagues
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Yeah, I probably held on to him too long mainly b/c I hate to cut loose to see them regress to the mean and I was pretty bullish on Revere. I figured 100 runs and 25 SBs. I figured SBs would come down since they weren't going to allow him to take the bat out of Utley and Howard's hands. Now, with him probably hitting 8th, his runs are limited and SBs aren't much better since they'll either bunt him over and they won't want him to run with 2 outs.

 
sporthenry said:
Eephus said:
The Flying Elvis said:
sporthenry said:
Dom Brown splash landing. Michael Young having himself a game. Maybe the bats are waking. Doubtful, probably just another tease.

Might be time to drop Revere for Brown in Fake Baseball.
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Don't see why Revere would be rostered on any team in fake baseball at this point.
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He had 40 SB after May 17th last year.

Cheap speed is key in deep leagues
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Yeah, I probably held on to him too long mainly b/c I hate to cut loose to see them regress to the mean and I was pretty bullish on Revere. I figured 100 runs and 25 SBs. I figured SBs would come down since they weren't going to allow him to take the bat out of Utley and Howard's hands. Now, with him probably hitting 8th, his runs are limited and SBs aren't much better since they'll either bunt him over and they won't want him to run with 2 outs.
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Yeah, he's not helping much now. Still RA gave up quite a bit to get him. For better or worse, he's more a part of the franchises' future than Delmon Young. Revere will get his chances.

 
I really get ####### angry when I see either Horst or Durbin come into the game. Guaranteed runs, yet they keep running these fat pigs to the mound. Both of these clowns need to be cut today. It's a ####### joke that they're still on this team. I don't care if they're ####### replacements do the same thing, but at least try something different. We know these guys suck donkey balls. ### #### Reuben DO SOMETHING.

 
Cleveland is just killing the Phillies this year. I feel like the pitchers are doing what Lee did last year, trying to pitch a perfect game b/c they know the runs are few and far between.

As for Horst/Durbin, I think that is just Cholly/Ruben summed up in 2 players. They are loyal to a fault. Last year when we went to the minors and brought up a bunch of live arms, our bullpen was actually good for the 2nd half of the season. Either way, both should be gone after this year.

 
Billy Bats said:
I really get ####### angry when I see either Horst or Durbin come into the game. Guaranteed runs, yet they keep running these fat pigs to the mound. Both of these clowns need to be cut today. It's a ####### joke that they're still on this team. I don't care if they're ####### replacements do the same thing, but at least try something different. We know these guys suck donkey balls. ### #### Reuben DO SOMETHING.
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Lol well said buddy
 
fred_1_15301 said:
Billy Bats said:
I really get ####### angry when I see either Horst or Durbin come into the game. Guaranteed runs, yet they keep running these fat pigs to the mound. Both of these clowns need to be cut today. It's a ####### joke that they're still on this team. I don't care if they're ####### replacements do the same thing, but at least try something different. We know these guys suck donkey balls. ### #### Reuben DO SOMETHING.
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Lol well said buddy
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Seriously though, how many middle relievers are on a roster that are carrying era's of 5.29 and 7.30 with WHIPs of 1.65 and 1.86???? Let alone bringing these stiffs in WHEN YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO GIVE UP ANY MORE RUNS??? It's ####### mind boggling. Cut this dead weight and bring up 4 kids from the minors, they can't possibly be any worse.
 
Billy Bats said:
fred_1_15301 said:
Billy Bats said:
I really get ####### angry when I see either Horst or Durbin come into the game. Guaranteed runs, yet they keep running these fat pigs to the mound. Both of these clowns need to be cut today. It's a ####### joke that they're still on this team. I don't care if they're ####### replacements do the same thing, but at least try something different. We know these guys suck donkey balls. ### #### Reuben DO SOMETHING.
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Lol well said buddy
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Seriously though, how many middle relievers are on a roster that are carrying era's of 5.29 and 7.30 with WHIPs of 1.65 and 1.86???? Let alone bringing these stiffs in WHEN YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO GIVE UP ANY MORE RUNS??? It's ####### mind boggling. Cut this dead weight and bring up 4 kids from the minors, they can't possibly be any worse.
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Ive been at this point for about a month now. How much worse can AAA or AA guys be than Durbin or Horst? They at least cost a lot less. Ruben doesn't see it that way I guess. Got to bring them along slowly. They'll be ready by the time they're 29.

 
It is funny as bad as they seem to be, they are only 3 games out and 2 under .500. NL East ain't that good. And when you consider they were 14 under through 81 games last year yet still made a late run, if they can avoid a collapse and get hot for a few weeks, they can make a run.

The problem is that almost all of their wins are close ones. They are -25 in run differential which using baseball reference's pythag means they should be 7 games under .500. Obviously they have a lot of issues but they seem to be in a decent position.

 
sporthenry said:
It is funny as bad as they seem to be, they are only 3 games out and 2 under .500. NL East ain't that good. And when you consider they were 14 under through 81 games last year yet still made a late run, if they can avoid a collapse and get hot for a few weeks, they can make a run. The problem is that almost all of their wins are close ones. They are -25 in run differential which using baseball reference's pythag means they should be 7 games under .500. Obviously they have a lot of issues but they seem to be in a decent position.
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You're never out of it with that 2nd wild card. I just hope if the wheels do come off its in time to get some value back. I think they'll hang on as long as they can and hope for a stl type run.
 
Insein said:
sporthenry said:
It is funny as bad as they seem to be, they are only 3 games out and 2 under .500. NL East ain't that good. And when you consider they were 14 under through 81 games last year yet still made a late run, if they can avoid a collapse and get hot for a few weeks, they can make a run. The problem is that almost all of their wins are close ones. They are -25 in run differential which using baseball reference's pythag means they should be 7 games under .500. Obviously they have a lot of issues but they seem to be in a decent position.
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You're never out of it with that 2nd wild card. I just hope if the wheels do come off its in time to get some value back. I think they'll hang on as long as they can and hope for a stl type run.
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I'd imagine it'll be a lot like last year. Hopefully not as bad, but I think they'll be in between contender and pretender and have to make some tough decisions. Last year while they were further behind but there was optimism with the team getting healthy. This year not a ton of optimism although if Ruiz and Howard can get hot, that might be just like last year and getting healthy.

I agree that hopefully by July 30th we'll know a bit more about the team. If they are out of it, I don't see too many untouchable pieces. Utley has DH written all over him. Delmon Young or even Michael Young might be the extra bat a team needs and the Phillies can get a piece back. I'd move Rollins at this point. Nobody wants Howard but if someone is stupid, do it. I'd keep Brown and Revere and Mayberry probably won't give you too much of a return.

Pitching wise, move Paps and Adams if you can. Can't move Halladay but I'd look into moving Lee. I like him and think he'll be good going forward but team needs a lot going forward. Heck, I'd move Kendrick if some team makes a good enough offer.

 
Oh the bullpen woes continue. At least they mixed it up and threw Rosenberg out there and he fit right in. Aumont and Horst still doing their thing, at least they're consistent. :unsure:

Petibone one will only go so far today, even without weather issues. The Reds might score 15. :scared:

 
Well they should have just won the game with a walk off but Lee falling asleep and getting picked off first. WTF? But Galvis saves the day anyways.

 
Well I was wrong about yesterday, Petibone kept them close and Defratis did a nice job. Still can't believe they won that game the way the did off of Chapman, even moreso because I bet the Reds. :bag: :angry:

eta: Howard going into the MRI tube to check his knee today. No idea where this came from, another phantom injury, they say it's been bothering him since ST.

 
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Billy Bats said:
Well I was wrong about yesterday, Petibone kept them close and Defratis did a nice job. Still can't believe they won that game the way the did off of Chapman, even moreso because I bet the Reds. :bag: :angry:eta: Howard going into the MRI tube to check his knee today. No idea where this came from, another phantom injury, they say it's been bothering him since ST.
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Pettibone is solid. Another in the line of Worley, Cloyd, Happ, etc. Amazing how they have great success with the Phillies, move on and get shelled. Not sure if its something Philly does or more likely just getting more video on them. But at least the Phillies are good at developing Pitchers b/c they always have some ready. That and catchers are about the only two things the Phillies do well. They seemingly have yet to hit on any of their 5 tools position players.

As for Howard, I suspect it is just that. I'd imagine if you did an MRI of half the players in the MLB, you'd find something if you looked hard enough. Everyone is sore somewhere. But they can't keep throwing him out there, so voila, a mysterious injury.

 
Jim Salisbury: interesting @jschulermc: Not sure why, but #DarinRuf just pulled from #IronPigs lineup tonight #Phillies

5:49pm - 24 May 13

 
Team is pathetic. Just blow it up. Amazing, they are 2 games back of last year's pace yet everything around this team just looks horrible. I just don't see the same team from 3-4 years ago who was never out of it. 3-4 years ago, 3 run deficit in the 8th or 9th, not a big deal. This year, game might as well be over once the other team gets 5 runs.

Even Sarge and McCarthy just seem resigned to losing. Gave the Nats 3 extra outs and the team is just moronic at times.

I was very wrong about Revere. Hopefully the kid can turn it around but it is ugly right now.

 
sporthenry said:
Team is pathetic. Just blow it up. Amazing, they are 2 games back of last year's pace yet everything around this team just looks horrible. I just don't see the same team from 3-4 years ago who was never out of it. 3-4 years ago, 3 run deficit in the 8th or 9th, not a big deal. This year, game might as well be over once the other team gets 5 runs. Even Sarge and McCarthy just seem resigned to losing. Gave the Nats 3 extra outs and the team is just moronic at times. I was very wrong about Revere. Hopefully the kid can turn it around but it is ugly right now.
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With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if they won the next 2 games of the series.
 
What's the deal with Hamels? Is it just a lack of concentration or does he just not care anymore (now that he's paid)? This team is such a mess and does anyone have faith amaro will fix things?

 
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