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***Official Philadelphia Phillies Thread*** - Castellanos ****s wit Philly (2 Viewers)

Just got an ESPN update on my phone and he first line said Jerome Williams retires. I thought, well that makes sense after tonight.

 
Worst part is they havent even bottomed out yet. Imagine when Hamels and Papelbon are gone. Should have the #1 pick in the next two drafts. If everything breaks right, they could have a good young team in another 5 years.

 
E-Z Glider said:
Worst part is they havent even bottomed out yet. Imagine when Hamels and Papelbon are gone. Should have the #1 pick in the next two drafts. If everything breaks right, they could have a good young team in another 5 years.
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With Amaro and this scouting staff?

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Clearly the only problem. NLCS not out of the question now.
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I don't think anyone thinks he was the only problem. Heck, everyone seems to think this means Amaro is all but gone which is nice. I feel a bit bad for Ryno but I wasn't terribly impressed with his managerial prowess. Not just the lack of success on the field but he pissed off Cole among others. Seemed a bit over his head at this level. Haven't watched a ton this year but the fiasco with keeping Frenchy in probably sealed it as well.

 
He didn't have much to work with, but his usage of players was clueless and he didn't have their respect. Failing to stick up for/protect Franco when that ump had it in for him was emblematic of his ineptitude.

 
sporthenry said:
Long Ball Larry said:
Clearly the only problem. NLCS not out of the question now.
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I don't think anyone thinks he was the only problem. Heck, everyone seems to think this means Amaro is all but gone which is nice. I feel a bit bad for Ryno but I wasn't terribly impressed with his managerial prowess. Not just the lack of success on the field but he pissed off Cole among others. Seemed a bit over his head at this level. Haven't watched a ton this year but the fiasco with keeping Frenchy in probably sealed it as well.
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No, I know. The guy was certainly not helping. I think I have been suppressing all my feelings about this team for three years and now everything is making me mental. If the sixers don't improve 2 years from now, I will repeat this cycle.

 
Just announced a presser at 2:30pm.... Pat Gillick and John Middleton (who never speaks at these things) will attend... no mention of Rube... hmmmmmm?

ETA - presser is to announce hiring of Andy MacPhail... Rube firing may be wishful thinking

 
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Bigboy10182000 said:
They're going to end up keeping Rube after this season areant they?
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Of course they're going to keep him. The Phils never fire anyone. He wont be the GM anymore though, he'll get a made-up title like everyone else thats ever worked for the Phils. MacPhail really needs to clean house.

 
E-Z Glider said:
Just announced a presser at 2:30pm.... Pat Gillick and John Middleton (who never speaks at these things) will attend... no mention of Rube... hmmmmmm?

ETA - presser is to announce hiring of Andy MacPhail... Rube firing may be wishful thinking
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Pretty great presser.

- checkbook is open (for FA and GM/coach positions)

- MacPhail believes in sabermetrics

- Manager will be outsider

- Rube is pretty much gonzo :thumbup:

 
@howardeskin: New Pres Andy Macphail beginning at end of season said on trades "that's up to Ruben Amaro and Pat Gillick. But he will add his opinion ."

 
@ToddZolecki: MacPhail said he will use next three months to evaluate entire baseball operations staff, including Amaro. Said he has made no decisions.

Maybe he plans to leave in 3 months? Lol

 
Phillies officially sign Jhailyn Ortiz, who has huge power potential

July 9, 2015, 10:00 pm

LOS ANGELES The long-awaited signing of teenage slugging prospect Jhailyn Ortiz has become official. The Phillies announced the signing Thursday night.

The Phillies had a verbal agreement with Ortiz for months. The 16-year-old first baseman/outfielder from the Dominican Republic stands 6-2 and weighs 260 pounds. Ortiz has huge power, but needs to improve as a hitter. In particular, he needs to make more contact and improve his recognition of off-speed pitches. But that can be said of most 16 year olds.

Ortiz received a signing bonus of just over $4 million, sources said. That puts the Phillies over their Major League Baseball-mandated allotment of $3,041,700 for this international signing period. Teams that go over their allotment face penalties ranging from a tax to forfeiting the ability to sign top players in future signing periods. The Phillies are expected to avoid any penalty after acquiring about $1.5 million in international slot money from the Arizona Diamondbacks for minor-league pitchers Chris Oliver and Josh Taylor last weekend.

Ortiz will need plenty of development time. He will likely get into game action at the Phillies academy in the Dominican Republic and participate in the teams Instructional League program in the fall as he gets his pro career started.

The Phillies also announced the signings of Venezuelan catcher Rafael Marchan and infielder Kuedy Bocio and pitcher Manuel Silva, both of the Dominican Republic. All these players are 16. The signing period for international players of this age began on July 2.
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If the Phils execute the Hamels deal, following the Papelbon trade committed payroll will be around $70MM entering 2015, give or take with how arb numbers fall (if they simply take cheap prospects for Cole). $25MM of which goes to Ryan Howard :bag:

Combo that with the Comcast money starting to roll in, by my math about $80MM a year over 25 years (2.5B), I will be very interested to see how they manage it.

Please don't let Amaro manage it, please.

 
mquinnjr said:
If the Phils execute the Hamels deal, following the Papelbon trade committed payroll will be around $70MM entering 2015, give or take with how arb numbers fall (if they simply take cheap prospects for Cole). $25MM of which goes to Ryan Howard :bag:

Combo that with the Comcast money starting to roll in, by my math about $80MM a year over 25 years (2.5B), I will be very interested to see how they manage it.

Please don't let Amaro manage it, please.
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Even with big money. It's hard to get good young players away from their teams. Usually you're over paying for guys in their late 20's, early 30's for the hope that they can duplicate what they've already achieved.

We still need to get he farm going again. If we have to "eat" Hamel's money to get real players in here, I think they have to do it. Especially with the Comcast money coming in. They can afford to eat that money.

 
Insein said:
mquinnjr said:
If the Phils execute the Hamels deal, following the Papelbon trade committed payroll will be around $70MM entering 2015, give or take with how arb numbers fall (if they simply take cheap prospects for Cole). $25MM of which goes to Ryan Howard :bag:

Combo that with the Comcast money starting to roll in, by my math about $80MM a year over 25 years (2.5B), I will be very interested to see how they manage it.

Please don't let Amaro manage it, please.
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Even with big money. It's hard to get good young players away from their teams. Usually you're over paying for guys in their late 20's, early 30's for the hope that they can duplicate what they've already achieved.

We still need to get he farm going again. If we have to "eat" Hamel's money to get real players in here, I think they have to do it. Especially with the Comcast money coming in. They can afford to eat that money.
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Yeah, please dont waste money on guys to "bridge the gap". They're gonna suck for the next 3 years (at least). Put all available resources into the future, not the present.

 
Agree on all accounts, guys. I pray that Amaro doesn't sign "bridge the gap" players, but then again his past transaction history doesn't instill a lot of confidence that he won't try to do that.

:scared:

 
Amaro hasnt officially been fired yet, but he's about the lamest duck GM ever. There's no way he has any say in whats happening right now. All credit or anger over what happens this week belongs to McPhail and Gillick.

 
Seems like not a bad haul. Although seeing reports including Thompson which would make it a pretty great trade. Stockpiling young arms. Maybe finally getting the catcher of the future and another OF bat.

 
Getting rangers 3, 4, 5 prospects plus others seems pretty good to me. Looks like old rube pulled it off (or maybe gillick and macphail gave him a dollar to go get a soda while the grownups talked.)

 
This is exactly what the Phils needed to do. Not quite the "Christmas came early" type of deals that we saw several years ago but this should get the Phils back on track.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Getting rangers 3, 4, 5 prospects plus others seems pretty good to me. Looks like old rube pulled it off (or maybe gillick and macphail gave him a dollar to go get a soda while the grownups talked.)
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I mean seriously, when does the other shoe drop on Amaro? Has to be soon.

I'm not as uncomfortable with the haul as I thought I'd be. Good for both teams, and Darvish/Hamels is pretty nasty going into 2016 if Yu comes back 100%. Going to miss Cole tremendously, but this needed to happen.

Thanks for the only WS in my lifetime Cole, good luck in Texas! :thanks:

 
Cole forever has immunity in this town. He brought us a title with one of the best playoff performances we've ever had here. Good luck Cole. You will forever be a Phillie.

 
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This is a sad one for me...I know some will say "this had to be done" but only because we've had the worst front office probably ever. That makes it sting more IMO. Has there been a better Phillie we ever drafted?

 
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