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JonathanMayoB3 Jonathan MayoBest name of the entire Rule 5 might be Aaron Poreda, LHP once a top prospect, taken in the Triple-A phrase by the Pirates
JonathanMayoB3 Jonathan MayoBest name of the entire Rule 5 might be Aaron Poreda, LHP once a top prospect, taken in the Triple-A phrase by the Pirates
Yup they're only a few pieces away. It's depressing being a fan of this team while a team like the Marlins goes nuts.To get a sense of what Pirate fans and columnists think of the Bucs' offseason, especially NH's remarks that the team is in great shape:http://communityvoices.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports/bob-smiziks-blog/31055-huntington-were-in-a-great-spot
Sure.....BUT what do you want to give up that the Angels want enough to trade him?So can the Pirates trade for Mark Trumbo now that Pujols is an Angel?
Depends. Hanrrahan maybe. If Marte is ready to make the leap maybe one of the outfielders. Bucs seem to be loaded there in the system.'Captain Hook said:Sure.....BUT what do you want to give up that the Angels want enough to trade him?So can the Pirates trade for Mark Trumbo now that Pujols is an Angel?
He's not that goodThe Pirates season hinges on Pedro Alvarez. Guy has all the talent in the world but what appears a terrible work ethic, coupled with a poor attitude. If he shows up, and works on his game, the lineup falls into place.
I am leaning towards that way of thinking. Looked like a guy who could hit .275 with 35 homers and 100 rbis, solid middle of the order bat. But he doesn't put in the work in the offseason, then pouts during the season. It's too bad for Pirates fans.He's not that goodThe Pirates season hinges on Pedro Alvarez. Guy has all the talent in the world but what appears a terrible work ethic, coupled with a poor attitude. If he shows up, and works on his game, the lineup falls into place.
Everything is too bad for Pirates fans, starting with the owners.Off topic I know, but does anyone believe Ryan Braun will serve a 50 game suspension? Also, where can some Pirates get PEDs?I am leaning towards that way of thinking. Looked like a guy who could hit .275 with 35 homers and 100 rbis, solid middle of the order bat. But he doesn't put in the work in the offseason, then pouts during the season. It's too bad for Pirates fans.He's not that goodThe Pirates season hinges on Pedro Alvarez. Guy has all the talent in the world but what appears a terrible work ethic, coupled with a poor attitude. If he shows up, and works on his game, the lineup falls into place.
When has he pouted? And he seemed to put in a lot of work last off-season and I thought by all accounts he had a pretty good attitude. He just swings too hard at too many pitches. This kind of thinking is what gets Aramis Ramirez traded for a bag of chips.I am leaning towards that way of thinking. Looked like a guy who could hit .275 with 35 homers and 100 rbis, solid middle of the order bat. But he doesn't put in the work in the offseason, then pouts during the season. It's too bad for Pirates fans.He's not that goodThe Pirates season hinges on Pedro Alvarez. Guy has all the talent in the world but what appears a terrible work ethic, coupled with a poor attitude. If he shows up, and works on his game, the lineup falls into place.
I agree with this guy. Give Pedro a little time. If you need some inspiration, just look at Alex Gordon in KC. People wrote him off as dead because expectations were too high too soon.When has he pouted? And he seemed to put in a lot of work last off-season and I thought by all accounts he had a pretty good attitude. He just swings too hard at too many pitches. This kind of thinking is what gets Aramis Ramirez traded for a bag of chips.I am leaning towards that way of thinking. Looked like a guy who could hit .275 with 35 homers and 100 rbis, solid middle of the order bat. But he doesn't put in the work in the offseason, then pouts during the season. It's too bad for Pirates fans.He's not that goodThe Pirates season hinges on Pedro Alvarez. Guy has all the talent in the world but what appears a terrible work ethic, coupled with a poor attitude. If he shows up, and works on his game, the lineup falls into place.
I've never heard of any issues with his work ethic. Unfortunately he may just not be as good as he was hyped up. Time will tell.When has he pouted? And he seemed to put in a lot of work last off-season and I thought by all accounts he had a pretty good attitude. He just swings too hard at too many pitches. This kind of thinking is what gets Aramis Ramirez traded for a bag of chips.I am leaning towards that way of thinking. Looked like a guy who could hit .275 with 35 homers and 100 rbis, solid middle of the order bat. But he doesn't put in the work in the offseason, then pouts during the season. It's too bad for Pirates fans.He's not that goodThe Pirates season hinges on Pedro Alvarez. Guy has all the talent in the world but what appears a terrible work ethic, coupled with a poor attitude. If he shows up, and works on his game, the lineup falls into place.
He has to improve a lot against lefties to even be an every day playerI've never heard of any issues with his work ethic. Unfortunately he may just not be as good as he was hyped up. Time will tell.When has he pouted? And he seemed to put in a lot of work last off-season and I thought by all accounts he had a pretty good attitude. He just swings too hard at too many pitches. This kind of thinking is what gets Aramis Ramirez traded for a bag of chips.I am leaning towards that way of thinking. Looked like a guy who could hit .275 with 35 homers and 100 rbis, solid middle of the order bat. But he doesn't put in the work in the offseason, then pouts during the season. It's too bad for Pirates fans.He's not that goodThe Pirates season hinges on Pedro Alvarez. Guy has all the talent in the world but what appears a terrible work ethic, coupled with a poor attitude. If he shows up, and works on his game, the lineup falls into place.
Maybe Tiny Tim Alderson will get a fastball for XmasTonight, Ebenezer Nutting will be visited by 3 Pirate ghosts. The first will lead him from 1960 to the early 1990s. The second, the Ghost of Pirate Present will lead him the a 72-win season. The Ghost of Pirates Future will also lead him to a string of 72-win seasons, an empty stadium, a team payroll of 45 million when the average is over 90 million, and a cheesy little profit for his ski resort where Neal Huntington is the desk clerk.Pony up to the table, Scrooge. Still a lot of good players worth signing, ya tightwad.Merry Christmas, all you Pirates posters!
Maybe Tiny Tim Alderson will get a fastball for XmasTonight, Ebenezer Nutting will be visited by 3 Pirate ghosts. The first will lead him from 1960 to the early 1990s. The second, the Ghost of Pirate Present will lead him the a 72-win season. The Ghost of Pirates Future will also lead him to a string of 72-win seasons, an empty stadium, a team payroll of 45 million when the average is over 90 million, and a cheesy little profit for his ski resort where Neal Huntington is the desk clerk.Pony up to the table, Scrooge. Still a lot of good players worth signing, ya tightwad.Merry Christmas, all you Pirates posters!
Why??? nothing out of the ordinaryNo buzz with all the arbitration avoiding contracts?
I think he was kidding, Chief.Why??? nothing out of the ordinaryNo buzz with all the arbitration avoiding contracts?
You got 93 out of 180 answers correctI got the entire 2001 lineup correct Most of those lineups are horrendous (95%)Can you name the Pirates opening-day lineups from 1991 through last season?This is pretty pathetic when you look at the guys from about 1995 though 2007 or so.http://www.sporcle.com/games/johnmadden/pirateslineups#
Gallardo, Braun, Weeks, the core of that team are home grown. The reason they were able to get Greinke and Marcum was because of their minor league depth. The Pirates, after years of ignoring the draft, finally invested money beginning 2 years ago. It was a horrible farm system, so it will take some time to grow organizational depth. First, they need to keep their young players, and then when a solid team has been assembled, they can add pieces.Milwaukee is a somewhat smaller market than Pittsburgh, but the Brewers payroll may top 100 million this year. The Bucs are still under 50 million. And not all the Brewers talent is home-grown.
To me, that implies that after 4 years, he is gone. Considering I am yet to renew my tickets, that was a bad line. I've been holding out hope, but it seems there may be none.We’re in a different stage. We’re in a stage where we are looking to take this team and turn it into a winning team. Then try to take that and make it as consistent as we possibly can. So the motivation is very different. Never say never. If somebody wants to back up the truck and give us one of those organizational altering deals, it’s something we would have to listen to. But there are some players on our club that are extremely difficult to move and it would have to be a dramatic overpay on the part of the other club. We’ve got some guys that were are looking to build a club around as we go forward. We’ve got Andrew McCutchen under contract for the Pirates for four more seasons, and we expect to do some damage here during that time frame.
I just read the article & the bold part is the writers comment not Neil's.So there was that quote the other day saying that the Pirates would only trade McCutchen if somebody drastically over paid and backed up the truck. But reading the full quote, the last part really upsets me:
To me, that implies that after 4 years, he is gone. Considering I am yet to renew my tickets, that was a bad line. I've been holding out hope, but it seems there may be none.We’re in a different stage. We’re in a stage where we are looking to take this team and turn it into a winning team. Then try to take that and make it as consistent as we possibly can. So the motivation is very different. Never say never. If somebody wants to back up the truck and give us one of those organizational altering deals, it’s something we would have to listen to. But there are some players on our club that are extremely difficult to move and it would have to be a dramatic overpay on the part of the other club. We’ve got some guys that were are looking to build a club around as we go forward. We’ve got Andrew McCutchen under contract for the Pirates for four more seasons, and we expect to do some damage here during that time frame.
Huntington made the last statement. The writer opted to highlight it in bold.I just read the article & the bold part is the writers comment not Neil's.So there was that quote the other day saying that the Pirates would only trade McCutchen if somebody drastically over paid and backed up the truck. But reading the full quote, the last part really upsets me:
To me, that implies that after 4 years, he is gone. Considering I am yet to renew my tickets, that was a bad line. I've been holding out hope, but it seems there may be none.We’re in a different stage. We’re in a stage where we are looking to take this team and turn it into a winning team. Then try to take that and make it as consistent as we possibly can. So the motivation is very different. Never say never. If somebody wants to back up the truck and give us one of those organizational altering deals, it’s something we would have to listen to. But there are some players on our club that are extremely difficult to move and it would have to be a dramatic overpay on the part of the other club. We’ve got some guys that were are looking to build a club around as we go forward. We’ve got Andrew McCutchen under contract for the Pirates for four more seasons, and we expect to do some damage here during that time frame.
Takes 2 to make a deal. Who knows what figures they've exchanged, but there does need to be a limit to the Pirates' offer.So there was that quote the other day saying that the Pirates would only trade McCutchen if somebody drastically over paid and backed up the truck. But reading the full quote, the last part really upsets me:
To me, that implies that after 4 years, he is gone. Considering I am yet to renew my tickets, that was a bad line. I've been holding out hope, but it seems there may be none.We’re in a different stage. We’re in a stage where we are looking to take this team and turn it into a winning team. Then try to take that and make it as consistent as we possibly can. So the motivation is very different. Never say never. If somebody wants to back up the truck and give us one of those organizational altering deals, it’s something we would have to listen to. But there are some players on our club that are extremely difficult to move and it would have to be a dramatic overpay on the part of the other club. We’ve got some guys that were are looking to build a club around as we go forward. We’ve got Andrew McCutchen under contract for the Pirates for four more seasons, and we expect to do some damage here during that time frame.
Next player Pirates are turning their sights on (and probably get turned down again) is OF Yoenis Cespedes. The team reportedly plans to make a sizable offer to him and is very interested in him.Reports are the Pirates were turned down by both Oswalt and Edwin Jackson. Oswalt I kinda understand, but if Jackson really did get a 3/30 offer from the Pirates he should have taken it.
They'd be better off overpaying for a McCutchen extensionNext player Pirates are turning their sights on (and probably get turned down again) is OF Yoenis Cespedes. The team reportedly plans to make a sizable offer to him and is very interested in him.Reports are the Pirates were turned down by both Oswalt and Edwin Jackson. Oswalt I kinda understand, but if Jackson really did get a 3/30 offer from the Pirates he should have taken it.
And Edwin Jackson did them a favor if he really did turn down 3/30. You don't re-tool a team by signing #3/#4 pitchers to long-term lucrative deals.They'd be better off overpaying for a McCutchen extensionNext player Pirates are turning their sights on (and probably get turned down again) is OF Yoenis Cespedes. The team reportedly plans to make a sizable offer to him and is very interested in him.Reports are the Pirates were turned down by both Oswalt and Edwin Jackson. Oswalt I kinda understand, but if Jackson really did get a 3/30 offer from the Pirates he should have taken it.
His asking price is reportedly 6 years and 60 million. Marlins and Cubs are the frontrunners. I would rate the Pirates' chance at landing him at less than zero.Next player Pirates are turning their sights on (and probably get turned down again) is OF Yoenis Cespedes. The team reportedly plans to make a sizable offer to him and is very interested in him.Reports are the Pirates were turned down by both Oswalt and Edwin Jackson. Oswalt I kinda understand, but if Jackson really did get a 3/30 offer from the Pirates he should have taken it.
The Pirates' top tier of prospects is very strong, but there's surprisingly little depth given how high they've drafted and how much they've spent on amateur talent.
What really sucks is that obviously the money has been there the past few seasons for the draft and foreign players, however, the money spent may not translate to the final player. You cannot fault anything regarding Pedro Alvarez. He was the best bat in that draft. It seems like they may have gambled and spent money on kids that they shouldn't have though and saved some cash for MLB players. Although I guess we really won't know for a few more years. And now that the spending advantage for the draft has been somewhat taken away by the new CBA, the opportunity is seemingly squandered.Keith Law ranks the Pirates as the 8th best farm system right now
However it is a rather mixed review:
The Pirates' top tier of prospects is very strong, but there's surprisingly little depth given how high they've drafted and how much they've spent on amateur talent.
MLB players that would have gotten them to 75 wins? Cliff Lee wasn't walking through the door. Neither was Carl Crawford, Mark Teixeira or CC Sabathia. I think investing the money in the draft and international markets was absolutely the right move, even if it ultimately doesn't work out.'Leeroy Jenkins said:What really sucks is that obviously the money has been there the past few seasons for the draft and foreign players, however, the money spent may not translate to the final player. You cannot fault anything regarding Pedro Alvarez. He was the best bat in that draft. It seems like they may have gambled and spent money on kids that they shouldn't have though and saved some cash for MLB players. Although I guess we really won't know for a few more years. And now that the spending advantage for the draft has been somewhat taken away by the new CBA, the opportunity is seemingly squandered.'Drunken Cowboy said:Keith Law ranks the Pirates as the 8th best farm system right now
However it is a rather mixed review:
The Pirates' top tier of prospects is very strong, but there's surprisingly little depth given how high they've drafted and how much they've spent on amateur talent.
Well my point was that perhaps they gambled and spent on the wrong players. And if they were spending just for the sake of spending, maybe they should have instead banked the money for future years or extending Cutch, or being able to sign better free agents.MLB players that would have gotten them to 75 wins? Cliff Lee wasn't walking through the door. Neither was Carl Crawford, Mark Teixeira or CC Sabathia. I think investing the money in the draft and international markets was absolutely the right move, even if it ultimately doesn't work out.'Leeroy Jenkins said:What really sucks is that obviously the money has been there the past few seasons for the draft and foreign players, however, the money spent may not translate to the final player. You cannot fault anything regarding Pedro Alvarez. He was the best bat in that draft. It seems like they may have gambled and spent money on kids that they shouldn't have though and saved some cash for MLB players. Although I guess we really won't know for a few more years. And now that the spending advantage for the draft has been somewhat taken away by the new CBA, the opportunity is seemingly squandered.'Drunken Cowboy said:Keith Law ranks the Pirates as the 8th best farm system right now
However it is a rather mixed review:
The Pirates' top tier of prospects is very strong, but there's surprisingly little depth given how high they've drafted and how much they've spent on amateur talent.
The problem isn't the spending of the last few years. It is that they have only been doing it for a few years.Well my point was that perhaps they gambled and spent on the wrong players. And if they were spending just for the sake of spending, maybe they should have instead banked the money for future years or extending Cutch, or being able to sign better free agents.MLB players that would have gotten them to 75 wins? Cliff Lee wasn't walking through the door. Neither was Carl Crawford, Mark Teixeira or CC Sabathia. I think investing the money in the draft and international markets was absolutely the right move, even if it ultimately doesn't work out.'Leeroy Jenkins said:What really sucks is that obviously the money has been there the past few seasons for the draft and foreign players, however, the money spent may not translate to the final player. You cannot fault anything regarding Pedro Alvarez. He was the best bat in that draft. It seems like they may have gambled and spent money on kids that they shouldn't have though and saved some cash for MLB players. Although I guess we really won't know for a few more years. And now that the spending advantage for the draft has been somewhat taken away by the new CBA, the opportunity is seemingly squandered.'Drunken Cowboy said:Keith Law ranks the Pirates as the 8th best farm system right now
However it is a rather mixed review:
The Pirates' top tier of prospects is very strong, but there's surprisingly little depth given how high they've drafted and how much they've spent on amateur talent.
I agree with that. And I agree with the "plan" but it is becoming apparent that while the Nuttings OK'd the plan and the money, that perhaps it wasn't executed as well as we had hoped. I'm talking more about the late round guys.The problem isn't the spending of the last few years. It is that they have only been doing it for a few years.Well my point was that perhaps they gambled and spent on the wrong players. And if they were spending just for the sake of spending, maybe they should have instead banked the money for future years or extending Cutch, or being able to sign better free agents.MLB players that would have gotten them to 75 wins? Cliff Lee wasn't walking through the door. Neither was Carl Crawford, Mark Teixeira or CC Sabathia. I think investing the money in the draft and international markets was absolutely the right move, even if it ultimately doesn't work out.'Leeroy Jenkins said:What really sucks is that obviously the money has been there the past few seasons for the draft and foreign players, however, the money spent may not translate to the final player. You cannot fault anything regarding Pedro Alvarez. He was the best bat in that draft. It seems like they may have gambled and spent money on kids that they shouldn't have though and saved some cash for MLB players. Although I guess we really won't know for a few more years. And now that the spending advantage for the draft has been somewhat taken away by the new CBA, the opportunity is seemingly squandered.'Drunken Cowboy said:Keith Law ranks the Pirates as the 8th best farm system right now
However it is a rather mixed review:
The Pirates' top tier of prospects is very strong, but there's surprisingly little depth given how high they've drafted and how much they've spent on amateur talent.