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Craig_MiamiFL said:
Tony Jabroni said:
Why can't the main roster duplicate this? These NXT PPV's are outstanding....EVERY time.
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Overexposure IMO

They're giving 'PPV' matches every week. Perfect example is they just give Rollins vs. Reigns away with zero build on RAW a week or two ago. 3 hours a night each and every week is far too much. People don't have the attention span or patience to watch RAW (or anything for that matter) for 3 straight hours.

1 hour/week is perfect for NXT.
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I agree. You really look forward to seeing these guys when it's only 1 hour a week with the occasional 2 hour special vs the 5 hours of Smackdown and Raw plus the monthly 3 hour PPVs. They may even have Main Event and Superstars too, if those are still around. They are overexposed.

Still, there are a few in NXT that are already better than the vast majority of those in the WWE. Balor can be a star in the WWE, while Neville and Zayn could be decent midcard guys. Neville may even have a little more upside than that. A few of the divas could do well in WWE. I really like Sasha Banks. I really dislike Charlotte Flair, but in a good way where she'd be a very good heel.

As far as the Undertakes goes, I don't really look forward to his WrestleMania match either. As others have said, it's not nearly as special without the streak and neither outcome really benefits anybody. I'd kind of prefer he hang them up, actually. Though it's always fun to see an Undertaker entrance.

I think Stephanie is very attractive. If she's reached a Chyna level of muscularity, I haven't noticed.

 
I'm honestly surprised that so many of guys think that Zayn and Neville couldn't be more than mid carders. They are hellacious workers and have their own sort of charisma. I don't know what I'm missing here.

 
They have zero character and I look around on the main roster at so many guys floundering on main roster that I'd take (beiieve are/would be bigger draws) than either.

Personally I'd be quite surprised if Zayn was on the main roster for a long time as a singles guy (w/o a dramatic gimmick change). I think he's the equivalent to a career Triple A ball player as is. Neville has greater upside but I don't see him as a big draw down the road.

Big difference between being over with a WWE crowd and an NXT one of 500 fans chanting "This is Awesome" every week.

 
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OC Zed said:
I'm honestly surprised that so many of guys think that Zayn and Neville couldn't be more than mid carders. They are hellacious workers and have their own sort of charisma. I don't know what I'm missing here.
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Both are excellent workers, but I think Neville is a beast. Zayn is as vanilla as they come, and I hate the "Daniel Bryan underdog" schtick on him. I was rooting for KO to break him in half last night.

Does anyone else think these 2 will be called up now, based on last night's results?

ETA: The Pele kick into a superkick in the Neville/Balor match had me jump off the couch. Awesome ####.

 
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Yeah, we've seen a lot of guys from ECW and other stars from small promotions flounder when on the big stage. It's much easier to be a big fish in a small pond. I don't know if Neville or Zayn have enough beyond their in ring ability to be superstars. That's not to say they can't have a role in the WWE at some point. Maybe they'll surprise me. Balor has more of the "it" factor IMO.

I think Neville and Balor will be called up after WrestleMania. I think Zayn will continue to fight Owens in a feud similar to Lesnar vs Cena. I loved the way that match ended last night. Not that Owens got over, but the way he did was something you never see. Thought that was very creative.

 
OC Zed said:
I'm honestly surprised that so many of guys think that Zayn and Neville couldn't be more than mid carders. They are hellacious workers and have their own sort of charisma. I don't know what I'm missing here.
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It blows my mind too. Zayn is the best actual babyface the company has had in years, there isn't a better character for kids to emulate on the roster. He's 90% of Daniel Bryan in the ring, and an even better character.

Neville is amazing in the ring, but his mic skills could get him held back a bit. Though his offense is so different than most, that it'll be impossible for him to not be at least upper midcard. RVD had a great career with similar strengths and weaknesses.

The NXT 6(Zayn, Neville, Balor, Itami, Owens and Breeze) all have extremely bright futures. I think they will all be at least solid midcard guys at the next level at some point.

Speaking of NXT, this may considered be a bold statement, but I think it is 100% true. In ring, Sasha Banks is the best female wrestler in WWE in at least the last 20 years.

Last night was even more proof the the WWE should really feature the women's division much more then they do, that title match was one of the 5 best matches so far of 2015, men or women. Really 3 of the 5 best matches of the year so far all happened last night. Other 2 in my opinion being, Lesnar/Cena/Rollins, and Zayn/Neville 2.

 
travdogg said:
In ring, Sasha Banks is the best female wrestler in WWE in at least the last 20 years.
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If I were drinking milk, I'd be cleaning off my monitor now because I will have done a major spit-take to that. You realize that you're saying that an NXT developmental diva is better than EVERY SINGLE DIVA SINCE 1995?!

 
Brady Marino said:
travdogg said:
In ring, Sasha Banks is the best female wrestler in WWE in at least the last 20 years.
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If I were drinking milk, I'd be cleaning off my monitor now because I will have done a major spit-take to that. You realize that you're saying that an NXT developmental diva is better than EVERY SINGLE DIVA SINCE 1995?!
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Yep. Can't think of one better all around in the ring. Between quality offense, seamless execution, excellent selling, and being in character at all times during a match I really can't, nobody else fits that criteria. For what it is worth, I'd put Paige and AJ in the top-5 of the last 20 years. While popular, the women of the attitude era were mostly awful in the ring, Victoria and Molly Holly had their moments, but the rest were meh at best.

I don't think the NXT thing means anything at all. I'd make the case that 10 of the top 20 or so people on the entire roster are on NXT right now. Probably 15 of 20 if you count people who came up in the last 2.5 years.

 
travdogg said:
Brady Marino said:
travdogg said:
In ring, Sasha Banks is the best female wrestler in WWE in at least the last 20 years.
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If I were drinking milk, I'd be cleaning off my monitor now because I will have done a major spit-take to that. You realize that you're saying that an NXT developmental diva is better than EVERY SINGLE DIVA SINCE 1995?!
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Yep. Can't think of one better all around in the ring. Between quality offense, seamless execution, excellent selling, and being in character at all times during a match I really can't, nobody else fits that criteria. For what it is worth, I'd put Paige and AJ in the top-5 of the last 20 years. While popular, the women of the attitude era were mostly awful in the ring, Victoria and Molly Holly had their moments, but the rest were meh at best.I don't think the NXT thing means anything at all. I'd make the case that 10 of the top 20 or so people on the entire roster are on NXT right now. Probably 15 of 20 if you count people who came up in the last 2.5 years.
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I thought Lita was a pretty good performer.

 
travdogg said:
Brady Marino said:
travdogg said:
In ring, Sasha Banks is the best female wrestler in WWE in at least the last 20 years.
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If I were drinking milk, I'd be cleaning off my monitor now because I will have done a major spit-take to that. You realize that you're saying that an NXT developmental diva is better than EVERY SINGLE DIVA SINCE 1995?!
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Yep. Can't think of one better all around in the ring. Between quality offense, seamless execution, excellent selling, and being in character at all times during a match I really can't, nobody else fits that criteria. For what it is worth, I'd put Paige and AJ in the top-5 of the last 20 years. While popular, the women of the attitude era were mostly awful in the ring, Victoria and Molly Holly had their moments, but the rest were meh at best.

I don't think the NXT thing means anything at all. I'd make the case that 10 of the top 20 or so people on the entire roster are on NXT right now. Probably 15 of 20 if you count people who came up in the last 2.5 years.
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I just...no.

Good day sir.

 
RBM said:
Neville = Dynamite Kid? Anybody else get that?
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That's an interesting comparison. I think Dynamite might have been a multiple time world champ if his career had happened 10-15 years later. He was basically Benoit with more personality.

 
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The absolute closest comparison I can make to Neville, and this is a stretch in of itself, is Eddie Guerrero. But Neville is more compact and a little more flippy with a little less charisma. Muscles are about the same if we're going by Eddie's late roided life.

 
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Craig_MiamiFL said:
Gawain said:
I really hope we get a Big Show-Kane match at Fastlane.

My insomnia's been acting up.
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Insomnia's a #####. Why wait til Fastlane?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rKr6uLb3EM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QxaZrlF9eE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuSkrTpUOKc

If looking for matches back when Kane/Show were last relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQD0KhJQRJY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_oWQfH29zI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmJ1Mp-Z8_0
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I hope you get banned for that.

 
fred_1_15301 said:
travdogg said:
Brady Marino said:
travdogg said:
In ring, Sasha Banks is the best female wrestler in WWE in at least the last 20 years.
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If I were drinking milk, I'd be cleaning off my monitor now because I will have done a major spit-take to that. You realize that you're saying that an NXT developmental diva is better than EVERY SINGLE DIVA SINCE 1995?!
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Yep. Can't think of one better all around in the ring. Between quality offense, seamless execution, excellent selling, and being in character at all times during a match I really can't, nobody else fits that criteria. For what it is worth, I'd put Paige and AJ in the top-5 of the last 20 years. While popular, the women of the attitude era were mostly awful in the ring, Victoria and Molly Holly had their moments, but the rest were meh at best.I don't think the NXT thing means anything at all. I'd make the case that 10 of the top 20 or so people on the entire roster are on NXT right now. Probably 15 of 20 if you count people who came up in the last 2.5 years.
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I thought Lita was a pretty good performer.
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She was very over, and was always paired with people who were also very over, so she was in the spotlight a ton, but she was pretty rough in the ring. I mean they had to make her stop during her moonsault, and all high flying moves because she couldn't stop messing up and hurting herself. She certainly was an important character in wrestling history, but not so much for the wrestling side of it.

 
GoFishTN said:
Brady Marino said:
1234 said:
RBM said:
1234 said:
RBM said:
Neville = Dynamite Kid? Anybody else get that?
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No. In fact, not even close.
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You're wrong. It's a valid comparison.
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Sure...they're British and not as big as other WWF/E guys.. You win.
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Sami Zayn and Iron Sheik are Arabs. They're totally similar. :thumbup:
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Zayn will also break your back and make you humble.
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#### THE B BRIAN BLAIR!
 
travdogg said:
Brady Marino said:
travdogg said:
In ring, Sasha Banks is the best female wrestler in WWE in at least the last 20 years.
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If I were drinking milk, I'd be cleaning off my monitor now because I will have done a major spit-take to that. You realize that you're saying that an NXT developmental diva is better than EVERY SINGLE DIVA SINCE 1995?!
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Yep. Can't think of one better all around in the ring. Between quality offense, seamless execution, excellent selling, and being in character at all times during a match I really can't, nobody else fits that criteria. For what it is worth, I'd put Paige and AJ in the top-5 of the last 20 years. While popular, the women of the attitude era were mostly awful in the ring, Victoria and Molly Holly had their moments, but the rest were meh at best.

I don't think the NXT thing means anything at all. I'd make the case that 10 of the top 20 or so people on the entire roster are on NXT right now. Probably 15 of 20 if you count people who came up in the last 2.5 years.
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Now we need to figure out the top 20 assets on the WWE roster.

Locks: Brock Lesnar, John Cena, HHH/Stephanie, Randy Orton, Daniel Bryan*, Roman Reigns*, Seth Rollins*, Dean Ambrose*, Bray Wyatt*, the Usos, the Bellas

Next up: Rusev/Lana, Ziggler, Big Show, Paul Heyman, the Miz, Sting

Under consideration: Finn Balor*, Kevin Owens*, Ryback, Shemus, Kane

That's 22 if you count the pairings as one unit. If I count it right, seven of them have ties to NXT.

 
JB Breakfast Club said:
travdogg said:
Brady Marino said:
travdogg said:
In ring, Sasha Banks is the best female wrestler in WWE in at least the last 20 years.
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If I were drinking milk, I'd be cleaning off my monitor now because I will have done a major spit-take to that. You realize that you're saying that an NXT developmental diva is better than EVERY SINGLE DIVA SINCE 1995?!
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Yep. Can't think of one better all around in the ring. Between quality offense, seamless execution, excellent selling, and being in character at all times during a match I really can't, nobody else fits that criteria. For what it is worth, I'd put Paige and AJ in the top-5 of the last 20 years. While popular, the women of the attitude era were mostly awful in the ring, Victoria and Molly Holly had their moments, but the rest were meh at best.

I don't think the NXT thing means anything at all. I'd make the case that 10 of the top 20 or so people on the entire roster are on NXT right now. Probably 15 of 20 if you count people who came up in the last 2.5 years.
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Now we need to figure out the top 20 assets on the WWE roster.

Locks: Brock Lesnar, John Cena, HHH/Stephanie, Randy Orton, Daniel Bryan*, Roman Reigns*, Seth Rollins*, Dean Ambrose*, Bray Wyatt*, the Usos, the Bellas

Next up: Rusev/Lana, Ziggler, Big Show, Paul Heyman, the Miz, Sting

Under consideration: Finn Balor*, Kevin Owens*, Ryback, Shemus, Kane

That's 22 if you count the pairings as one unit. If I count it right, seven of them have ties to NXT.
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You forgot Rusev/Lana and Ryback in the NXT connections.

And I think it's time we stop calling Show and Kane "assets". They're "antiques".

 
How weak do the D Bryan kicks look after seeing the kicks from Balor, Itami and Neville?

Some of those Itami kicks the other night were insanely stiff. Breeze had to be feeling those the next day.

 
Brady Marino said:
JB Breakfast Club said:
travdogg said:
Yep. Can't think of one better all around in the ring. Between quality offense, seamless execution, excellent selling, and being in character at all times during a match I really can't, nobody else fits that criteria. For what it is worth, I'd put Paige and AJ in the top-5 of the last 20 years. While popular, the women of the attitude era were mostly awful in the ring, Victoria and Molly Holly had their moments, but the rest were meh at best.

I don't think the NXT thing means anything at all. I'd make the case that 10 of the top 20 or so people on the entire roster are on NXT right now. Probably 15 of 20 if you count people who came up in the last 2.5 years.
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Now we need to figure out the top 20 assets on the WWE roster.

Locks: Brock Lesnar, John Cena, HHH/Stephanie, Randy Orton, Daniel Bryan*, Roman Reigns*, Seth Rollins*, Dean Ambrose*, Bray Wyatt*, the Usos, the Bellas

Next up: Rusev/Lana, Ziggler, Big Show, Paul Heyman, the Miz, Sting

Under consideration: Finn Balor*, Kevin Owens*, Ryback, Shemus, Kane

That's 22 if you count the pairings as one unit. If I count it right, seven of them have ties to NXT.
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You forgot Rusev/Lana and Ryback in the NXT connections.

And I think it's time we stop calling Show and Kane "assets". They're "antiques".
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I didn't know Ryback came through NXT...I almost put Big Show on the top line. He's still an attraction - giants will always be an attraction.

 
JB Breakfast Club said:
Brady Marino said:
JB Breakfast Club said:
travdogg said:
Yep. Can't think of one better all around in the ring. Between quality offense, seamless execution, excellent selling, and being in character at all times during a match I really can't, nobody else fits that criteria. For what it is worth, I'd put Paige and AJ in the top-5 of the last 20 years. While popular, the women of the attitude era were mostly awful in the ring, Victoria and Molly Holly had their moments, but the rest were meh at best.

I don't think the NXT thing means anything at all. I'd make the case that 10 of the top 20 or so people on the entire roster are on NXT right now. Probably 15 of 20 if you count people who came up in the last 2.5 years.
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Now we need to figure out the top 20 assets on the WWE roster.

Locks: Brock Lesnar, John Cena, HHH/Stephanie, Randy Orton, Daniel Bryan*, Roman Reigns*, Seth Rollins*, Dean Ambrose*, Bray Wyatt*, the Usos, the Bellas

Next up: Rusev/Lana, Ziggler, Big Show, Paul Heyman, the Miz, Sting

Under consideration: Finn Balor*, Kevin Owens*, Ryback, Shemus, Kane

That's 22 if you count the pairings as one unit. If I count it right, seven of them have ties to NXT.
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You forgot Rusev/Lana and Ryback in the NXT connections.

And I think it's time we stop calling Show and Kane "assets". They're "antiques".
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I didn't know Ryback came through NXT...I almost put Big Show on the top line. He's still an attraction - giants will always be an attraction.
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Ryback technically came through the 1st season of NXT (back when it was a show for unprovens and not a promotion). He did go through FCW, which is what is now NXT.

And 1234 is right...Big Show's been jerked around so much in his time with WWF that nothing they do with him will ever interest me in him again. Sometimes, characters just get old like an old record that you get sick of hearing. :shrug:

 
Anyone else notice like crazy camera moves? I find myself getting dizzy with it jerking back and forth on every kick and punch to avoid botches. Does this seem different or am I just losing it

 
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Anyone else notice like crazy camera moves? I find myself getting dizzy with it jerking back and forth on every kick and punch to avoid botches. Does this seem different or am I just losing it
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Care to clear up what you were watching when this was happening?

 
Gottabesweet said:
Anyone else notice like crazy camera moves? I find myself getting dizzy with it jerking back and forth on every kick and punch to avoid botches. Does this seem different or am I just losing it
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It was really bad for a while after Mania last year...then I feel like it got better. It still happens in NXT, but I expect some production issues there since the crew is also "developmental."

I especially hate the zoom in/out camera move that happens for corner climbs and that Seamus move in the ropes.

 
NXT and Smackdown. What comes to mind is smackdown. Bryan outside of the ring kicking a guy over and over. Reigns then came and yelled at him for doing it to an USO. It's like they don't want you seeing a kick in case it's botched. Raw does it sometimes but Smackdown camera shootings have been just all over the place. Maybe I'm just getting older and noticing it more just never seemed this bad

 
Gottabesweet said:
NXT and Smackdown. What comes to mind is smackdown. Bryan outside of the ring kicking a guy over and over. Reigns then came and yelled at him for doing it to an USO. It's like they don't want you seeing a kick in case it's botched. Raw does it sometimes but Smackdown camera shootings have been just all over the place. Maybe I'm just getting older and noticing it more just never seemed this bad
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Smackdown heavily edits the shows for that exact reason as does NXT. They use a lot more camera angles than live Raw which relies on the hard camera a lot more.

ETA: listen to the crowd pops but watch the audience. Smackdown is known for the "seagull pops."

 
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JB Breakfast Club said:
travdogg said:
Brady Marino said:
travdogg said:
In ring, Sasha Banks is the best female wrestler in WWE in at least the last 20 years.
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If I were drinking milk, I'd be cleaning off my monitor now because I will have done a major spit-take to that. You realize that you're saying that an NXT developmental diva is better than EVERY SINGLE DIVA SINCE 1995?!
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Yep. Can't think of one better all around in the ring. Between quality offense, seamless execution, excellent selling, and being in character at all times during a match I really can't, nobody else fits that criteria. For what it is worth, I'd put Paige and AJ in the top-5 of the last 20 years. While popular, the women of the attitude era were mostly awful in the ring, Victoria and Molly Holly had their moments, but the rest were meh at best.

I don't think the NXT thing means anything at all. I'd make the case that 10 of the top 20 or so people on the entire roster are on NXT right now. Probably 15 of 20 if you count people who came up in the last 2.5 years.
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Now we need to figure out the top 20 assets on the WWE roster.

Locks: Brock Lesnar, John Cena, HHH/Stephanie, Randy Orton, Daniel Bryan*, Roman Reigns*, Seth Rollins*, Dean Ambrose*, Bray Wyatt*, the Usos, the Bellas

Next up: Rusev/Lana, Ziggler, Big Show, Paul Heyman, the Miz, Sting

Under consideration: Finn Balor*, Kevin Owens*, Ryback, Shemus, Kane

That's 22 if you count the pairings as one unit. If I count it right, seven of them have ties to NXT.
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I wouldn't count non regular wrestlers on my list, so no HHH, Sting, Heyman.

I was talking about in-ring, so Big Show, Ryback and Kane are out.

I'd argue the Usos are fringe. They are mayo on white bread, and are tag champs mostly by default. Really Cesaro/Kidd and the Vaudevillians are the only interesting tag teams on the roster, and even then, the Vaudevillians are pretty mediocre in the ring..

The Bellas are in a somewhat similar boat as the Usos to me, though Nikki has greatly improved and is probably worthy.

My top-20 would be:

Main: Lesnar(assuming he's around past Wrestlemania), Bryan, Cena, Rollins, Ambrose, Reigns(needs to really improve), Ziggler, Wyatt, Cesaro(should be a way bigger deal), Orton, Rusev, AJ, Paige,

NXT: Zayn(perfect role model for young boys), Neville, Balor, Owens, Breeze, Banks, Charlotte

Fringe: Nikki, Kidd, Itami, Bayley(perfect role model for young girls), Sheamus, Miz(is on fire right now though) Stardust/Cody, Barrett, Fandango(is a really good wrestler )Harper

Lesnar, Cena, Ziggler and Orton are the only non-NXT guys of the bunch.

 
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It's fascinating to see the disconnect between those who watch the indies (and watch the NXT guys come up) and those who are just WWE guys.

The Neville to Dynamite Kid comparison really sat with me because they are very dissimilar. I remember Dynamite Kid as a suplex monster who was hard hitting and crisp in execution. I also know Neville from when he wrestled as PAC and was known as The Man That Gravity Forgot. Saying an aerial artist like Neville is comparable to Dynamite Kid is like saying Kevin Owens is comparable to Andre the Giant because of the French language.

 
1234 said:
It's fascinating to see the disconnect between those who watch the indies (and watch the NXT guys come up) and those who are just WWE guys.

The Neville to Dynamite Kid comparison really sat with me because they are very dissimilar. I remember Dynamite Kid as a suplex monster who was hard hitting and crisp in execution. I also know Neville from when he wrestled as PAC and was known as The Man That Gravity Forgot. Saying an aerial artist like Neville is comparable to Dynamite Kid is like saying Kevin Owens is comparable to Andre the Giant because of the French language.
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You're way off on this one. Neville may not be a suplex monster but he's all those other things you described. He's also an innovator and his intensity is up there just like Dynamite. Everything Neville does pretty much is hard hitting and precise. Body type almost identical. Short and squatty, pretty jacked. I mean they're not clones but you're missing alot of similarities.

 
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