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JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
Big E's awkward clapping is the best part of New Day. I don't want R-Truth's competent clapping anywhere near him.
Bogart
Footballguy
If he had been on board, I fully believe Von Erich could have been everything Hogan was. But like was said, he wasn't ready to leave the family yet. He was immediately one of the top guys when he did come to WWE, and he could barely move at that point, due to a major foot injury.I used to believe the bolded because: (1) I'm not a Hogan fan; and (2) I've seen Vince flourish without Hogan.I would make the case that a lot of guys could have been Hogan, if they were booked the same way he was. I'm not sure their were many who could have been Flair.Hogan obviously drew more. That's not even in question. But you also know that shtick wouldn't last today (as has been woefully evident the last 4 months). The uber-man hero petered out 20+ years ago.Flair was better in the ring, but who drew the most money? Who did most people find more entertaining?It's a fact that Reigns has an extremely limited move set. And it is important given that it greatly limits his matches. It's the same reason why Ric Flair's matches were 100x better than Hulk Hogan's matches, particularly after you saw more than 3 Hogan matches and figured out the script.We're down to 4 moves now? I thought it was 5.
I agree in re Reigns... we've still only seen 4 moves out of the guy. Although I will acknowledge that last night's match was entertaining and that most wrestlers have a limited move set against Big Show. With that being said, he can't be carried by his opponent in every match or rely on weird match gimmicks.
It's perfectly fine not to like the guy, but this just isn't accurate. Nor is it all that important.
And the WWF's massive advantage in distribution over the NWA and WCW in the 80s/early 90s had a lot to do with Hogan's success... Hogan obviously aided that, of course, but I'd still say Hogan was more of a beneficiary of that than the cause.
Getting back to Reigns, my problem with him, is that he is boring as a character and in-ring. He's plenty capable, but he's just not interesting, he'd be way better as a monster heel. I thought Sheamus had the exact same problem when they were pushing him as a top face.
With that said, I've listened to Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer on enough different wrestling podcasts discussing the 80s WWF that I now believe the bolded is false and Hogan was more instrumental in the WWF flourishing in the 80s than I originally gave him credit for.
Meltzer has reported that when Vince went national in the 80s he wanted to build the WWF around one of three guys: Hogan, Flair, or Kerry Von Erich.
Meltzer said that Vince was perhaps most intrigued with Von Erich because he was younger, more built, and perhaps more popular than Hogan at that time. Vince knew that he'd likely be unsuccessful in wooing Von Erich away from his family business, though.
Meltzer then said that while Vince considered Flair, Vince was never fully enamored with Flair as the centerpiece because Flair didn't have the body and he was older than both Hogan and Von Erich.
Finally, Meltzer said that if Vince wasn't able to woo any of the above guys (including Hogan), then Vince was prepared to build around Orndorff. Vince's love of the physique again.
Now here's where I became convinced that Hogan was more instrumental for the WWF explosion than I gave him credit for. Meltzer noted that early on Vince was looking to build successors to Hogan so that Vince had another stud champion ready to go if Hogan jumped ship or business began to dip under Hogan. Vince put the title on the Macho Man in WrestleMania IV, in part, because Hogan was leaving to film No Holds Barred and, in part, because Vince wanted to build that replacement champ. Just one year later Vince put the belt back on Hogan at WrestleMania V because ticket sales and ratings dipped under Savage.
Same thing with Warrior. Vince put the belt on Warrior at WrestleMania VI. One year later Vince took the title off Warrior (via Sgt. Slaughter as intermediary champion to Hogan) because ticket sales and ratings dipped under Warrior as champion.
Same thing with Bret Hart's first title run. Just several months after Hart won the title Vince took it off him (via Yokozuna as several minute intermediary champion) before putting the title back on Hogan.
From '84 all the way into '93, whenever Vince worried about business declining he'd put the title on Hogan, and business would pick up as a result.
Listen, I don't get it either because Hogan does nothing for me, but Meltzer makes convincing arguments about Vince needing Hogan as much as Hogan needing Vince during that 80s-early 90s run.
Orndorff was pretty great back in the day, but he didn't have the charisma to be the face of the company.
I'd be really curious to see what would have happened if Flair had been the main guy in WWE during the 80's. I probably wold have cared about the main event scene more, but it is tough to imagine Flair as a face like Hogan was, so maybe he would have been booked very much like he was in NWA/WCW.
I don't think Savage's, Warrior's or especially Hart's reigns matter so much here, because Hogan had already been booked as the most important guy in wrestling before any of them got a shot.
I'd argue Savage would have worked, if he had been booked better, if you recall, he needed Hogan's help to win the title in the first place, and was basically treated as Hogan's little buddy until he eventually turned on him.
Warrior was doomed from the start, because his act wasn't really any different than Hogan's. He was just another invincible Superman.
Hart was hurt by a complete lack of competition when he won the title, I mean Mr. Perfect was probably the only legit contender when Hart was champ(Michaels wasn't ready yet) and they never really feuded them, and then Vince thought he could make Lex Luger his next invincible Superman.
Jeremy
Footballguy
I agree with Melzer's analysis. I kind of doubt people who are saying Hogan was easily replaced by someone else really lived through it. He was a larger than life. There was nobody like him. No way Orndorff or Von Erick could have achieve that level of popularity. While his schtick seems cheesy now, he was The Man back in the day. Much like Cena today, he was HUGE with kids and the casual fan, but also not hated by the hardcore fan.
People didn't nitpick things to death as much back then. They just sat back and enjoyed the show. The closest thing they had to the IWC in those days was the magazines like PWI and The Wrestler. It was only there that Flair reigned supreme over Hogan as the fans who bought magazines generally favored Flair's superior ring work.
People didn't nitpick things to death as much back then. They just sat back and enjoyed the show. The closest thing they had to the IWC in those days was the magazines like PWI and The Wrestler. It was only there that Flair reigned supreme over Hogan as the fans who bought magazines generally favored Flair's superior ring work.
Bogart
Footballguy
It's a bummer that most of the world only saw Kerry Von Erich in the WWE. He was literally on one foot, losing a foot in a motorcycle wreck.
Hate to play "what if", but if David Von Erich, the best wrestler of the brothers, doesn't OD in Japan he has several runs with the NWA title, even Flair talks about how it was lined up. If Kerry doesn't have his accident and doesn't get on drugs I think he has possibly even a stronger run than David. Kevin was my favorite and with the three of them, they could have pushed the NWA to compete with the WWE, with WCCW already a strong international presence.
I'm not going to say Kerry could have been Hogan, but he could have pulled off all of the power moves in a Hogan match, plus was a pretty decent high-flyer for his size. Had a finisher with the discus punch and a submission move with the Iron Claw. Wasn't horrible on the mic and women loved him.
Kerry's upside could have been Randy Savage level I think. Not as agile, but bigger. Would have made things interesting.
Hate to play "what if", but if David Von Erich, the best wrestler of the brothers, doesn't OD in Japan he has several runs with the NWA title, even Flair talks about how it was lined up. If Kerry doesn't have his accident and doesn't get on drugs I think he has possibly even a stronger run than David. Kevin was my favorite and with the three of them, they could have pushed the NWA to compete with the WWE, with WCCW already a strong international presence.
I'm not going to say Kerry could have been Hogan, but he could have pulled off all of the power moves in a Hogan match, plus was a pretty decent high-flyer for his size. Had a finisher with the discus punch and a submission move with the Iron Claw. Wasn't horrible on the mic and women loved him.
Kerry's upside could have been Randy Savage level I think. Not as agile, but bigger. Would have made things interesting.
No disagreement whatsoever that Hogan was larger than life, he certainly had/has a charisma that almost nobody else has, and obviously he deserves credit for making his success happen, but he was also very much right place at the right time as well. Also, I think hardcore fans were very sick of Hogan by the 1990, which is why Vince put the title on Warrior in the first place, but he was nothing more than Malibu Stacy with a new hat, so to speak.
I was a kid during the 80's and I hated Hogan, as did pretty much all of my friends. We all preferred Savage when they were teamed up, and when they eventually feuded. Obviously, not a big sample size, but I don't think Hogan was as universally loved as historically told. I also think crowds were a little more sheep-like back in the 80's, and more willing to do what they were told. I think Cena in front of an 80's crowd would seem universally beloved too.
I remember in an interview, Bret Hart was asked about the best WWE match he ever saw(not counting himself) and he didn't hesitate to say a 1991 house show match between Kerry Von Erich and Curt Hennig for the IC title.
Apparently before the match Von Erich could barely walk from one side of the locker room to the other, and Hennig's back was so messed up he needed another wrestler to lace his boots for him because he couldn't bend down to do it himself. He said, you'd have thought they were 70 years old by how immobile the two of them seemed in the back. Then they went out and had a fast paced 30+ minute match, that the crowd was eating up every false finish, that eventually ended in a double count out.
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Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
I always get a chuckle when I read how huge the Von Erichs and WCCW were in Israel. Seems weird that such a Texas flavor would be big among Israelis. Maybe they just loved seeing Skandar Akbar getting his ### beat.
http://www.ipwa.co.il/vonerichsinisrael.html
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GoFishTN
Footballguy
Meltzer has Kerry listed as the #5 draw in the world in 1984. Yes, WCCW was red hot, but they still had a smallish area. If he had stayed clean, he possibly could have been 1A and 1B with Hogan.
Bogart
Footballguy
GoFishTN
Footballguy
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:VYChxDPt59UJ:www.wrestlingforum.com/general-wwe/509605-top-wrestling-draws-year-year.html+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Hogan was on top from 84-91. Then everything goes wonky.
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
Japanese and Mexican wrestlers topping the lists from '92-'97 makes sense (though I'm a bit surprised it wasn't Hogan in '97.). Meltzer has also noted that while the American industry was way down from '93 to the birth of the NWO, wrestling was still booming in Mexico and Japan. AAA and New Japan in particular.I see that Shinya Hashimoto topped the list a few years. I could just never get down with Shinya's Dusty Rhodes type physique. I guess the Japanese really liked his stiff kicks.
Anyone else think they need to let Rollins win a few matches clean? These wins with outside interference are boring as hell. Especially coming off Brock Lesnar the most legit Champion we've seen in awhile.
Let the dude beat Orton clean. He layed down for Orton at Wrestlemania.
There's almost no suspense at this point. We know they're building towards Rollins vs Lesnar at Summerslam. That's the one thing that will truly put me off about the product, predictability.
Let the dude beat Orton clean. He layed down for Orton at Wrestlemania.
There's almost no suspense at this point. We know they're building towards Rollins vs Lesnar at Summerslam. That's the one thing that will truly put me off about the product, predictability.
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SlaX
Footballguy
I don't think the Von Erichs could take WCCW to a higher level than Jim Crockett Promotions did. They didn't have the money to do so. Heck, Crockett didn't even have the budget, but they tried and went bankrupt because of it. Crockett had the same visions that Vince had, but he didn't have the money nor the pull in the entertainment industry. I can't imagine the Von Erichs doing better. In some parallel universe, they know for sure.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Lucha Underground put on another great show last night. Dario Cueto took the Crew to see his "brother" - who apparently lives in a cage - that if they disappoint him again, they'll have to apologize to his brother. 
The look on The Crew's faces sold the fact that Dario's brother is some kind of monster.
Meanwhile, Dario's playing instigator backstage, telling Prince Puma the LU title is more important than ending a man's career. Then, as he's leaving, he runs into Hernandez. Hernandez doesn't like the 2 on 1 match with him against Cage and King Cuerno. Within earshot of Puma, Cueto turns the handicap match into a 3-way dance for the #1 contenders spot.
Then, there's the "fan" Marty "The Moth" Martinez (formerly from Tough Enough) who accosts Dario outside while he's on the phone. "The moth is my spirit animal!!"
Spoilers:
The look on The Crew's faces sold the fact that Dario's brother is some kind of monster.Meanwhile, Dario's playing instigator backstage, telling Prince Puma the LU title is more important than ending a man's career. Then, as he's leaving, he runs into Hernandez. Hernandez doesn't like the 2 on 1 match with him against Cage and King Cuerno. Within earshot of Puma, Cueto turns the handicap match into a 3-way dance for the #1 contenders spot.
Then, there's the "fan" Marty "The Moth" Martinez (formerly from Tough Enough) who accosts Dario outside while he's on the phone. "The moth is my spirit animal!!"
Spoilers:
Hernandez beat Cage and Cuerno for the #1 contenders spot, after interference from "The Moth". Prince Puma pins Drago to keep the belt and force Drago to leave the temple. Drago confronts Dario outside and says he'll be back.
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Bogart
Footballguy
It's hard to say, and I agree that finances would have played a part in it. But just like everyone in the NWA plays the what if game with Magnum TA, what if the Von Erichs all stay well and alive, maybe ESPN decides to pick them up, or maybe, the NWA, WCCW and AWA have the roster to combine and be a better force against Vince.SlaX said:
Vince still wins, and in that case I would have loved to have seen the Von Erichs wrestling under the WWF banner.
Jeremy
Footballguy
No, I think Rollins is being handled pretty much perfectly. The best heels cheat to win and retreat when confronted. My memory is fuzzy, but I don't recall Ric Flair getting over clean very often in title matches when he was working as a heel. The Honky Tonk man never had a clean win against a quality opponent during his IC title reign that I can recall.
Bogart
Footballguy
No, I think Rollins is being handled pretty much perfectly. The best heels cheat to win and retreat when confronted. My memory is fuzzy, but I don't recall Ric Flair getting over clean very often in title matches when he was working as a heel. The Honky Tonk man never had a clean win against a quality opponent during his IC title reign that I can recall.
Flair pulled more tights and had his feet on the bottom rope more than anyone back in the day. And it pissed you off to no end when he beat your favorite that way.
CBusAlex
Footballguy
Not sure I get the point of the whole US belt open challenge thing if they're just going to keep scheduling rematches against Rusev immediately after every PPV. I mean, there's only one possible outcome in any of these matches when they've already got one guy booked to defend the title a month from now.
OC Zed
Footballguy
I watched the documentary on the Iron Sheik on Netflix the other night called "The Sheik" (original, right?). It's pretty good and covers his whole life going all the way back to Iran and his days as a US wrestling coach.
There are lots of highs and lows throughout regarding Sheik, but the most depressing scene in the entire film is seeing Goldust make a cameo during an indy wrestling show held in some bar in the mid-2000s. His career really tumbled far in that last decade, so it's nice to see he ended with a good run back in the WWE last year.
ETA: Also a fun fact that I never knew, the Rock claims he took "Jobroni" from Sheik's own lingo.
There are lots of highs and lows throughout regarding Sheik, but the most depressing scene in the entire film is seeing Goldust make a cameo during an indy wrestling show held in some bar in the mid-2000s. His career really tumbled far in that last decade, so it's nice to see he ended with a good run back in the WWE last year.
ETA: Also a fun fact that I never knew, the Rock claims he took "Jobroni" from Sheik's own lingo.
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OC Zed
Footballguy
It's interesting to see him put Ryback so low on the list beneath such guys as Heath Slater, Kane, Big Show and Mark Henry. I'm not a huge Ryback fan, but he is still young, has a good attitude and has been getting a solid push in the last 12 months.
Bogart
Footballguy
Shoemaker has quite a crush on Heath Slater (he makes both lists higher than he should be).
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
In terms of psychology, a heel champion will/should rarely if ever win clean...if he's booked correctly. It allows the fan to believe that the face would win IF THAT DARN HEEL WOULDN'T CHEAT. That way, the heel carries the heat in the feud.No, I think Rollins is being handled pretty much perfectly. The best heels cheat to win and retreat when confronted. My memory is fuzzy, but I don't recall Ric Flair getting over clean very often in title matches when he was working as a heel. The Honky Tonk man never had a clean win against a quality opponent during his IC title reign that I can recall.
Flair would go over clean in title defenses, but since he was part of the 4 Horsemen, his usual tactic is outside interference. I was at Capitol Combat in DC in 1990 where Flair was in a cage match against Sting (?). Somebody before the card asked JR how the match was going to end; JR said DQ.
It ended up the Horsemen got control of the cage, raised it and proceeded to pummel Flair's opponent.
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
I've heard the guys who made that documentary on a podcast. They're guys in their thirties whose father was friends with The Sheik back in Iran. They've known Sheik since their youth and had many great stories to tell. The interview made me see The Sheik in a different light. Sheik was straight edge when he joined the business, but the business had the effect on him that it does a lot of guys. What truly made me see Sheik in a more sympathetic light, however, was when the filmmakers noted that though Sheik was already a mess he truly lost it when his daughter was murdered. I think that was around 2003. Sad stuff.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Magnum ta would have been the rock to hogans stone cold.
Guy had it all and was just getting started. But more than anything, great fire and ability to connect with the crowd.
Jeeze imagine him and savage feuding over Liz?
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
Why did they call it a "Pro Wrestling Draft" when nearly every guy is a WWE wrestler? They should have just named it a "WWE Draft". I can understand excluding foreign promotions because Grantland has a predominantly American audience, but why exclude all the Lucha Underground guys when that promotion is filmed in Los Angeles? The top Lucha Underground stars are certainly better than the back end of that list.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
He says right in the open it's for guys under WWE contract:
"Since it’s NFL draft time again, it’s time for the second-annual Pro Wrestling Draft Board. Since so much of the future of WWE is already onRaw every week, we’re opening up the draft process to every wrestler under WWE contract, and we’re grading on more than potential."
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
D'oh! Reading is fundamental.
Still applies that they should have called it a WWE Draft, though.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
True, but Flair did win a lot of matches cleanly. Hell, his title wins as a heel over Kerry, Garvin and Steamboat were all clean pinfalls.No, I think Rollins is being handled pretty much perfectly. The best heels cheat to win and retreat when confronted. My memory is fuzzy, but I don't recall Ric Flair getting over clean very often in title matches when he was working as a heel. The Honky Tonk man never had a clean win against a quality opponent during his IC title reign that I can recall.
Flair pulled more tights and had his feet on the bottom rope more than anyone back in the day. And it pissed you off to no end when he beat your favorite that way.
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
B-Deep
Footballguy
i pop in and out so sorry if this is a honda
but i thought this was interesting/strange
Billy Corgan, founder of the alt-rock band Smashing Pumpkins, thinks professional wrestling could be more like All in the Family. Norman Lear's 1971-79 sitcom didn't reinvent the wheel, but gave it treads. Tucked inside jokes were serious issues, refracted by Archie Bunker, the laughable bigot. Lear checked America's privilege, his cartoonish crank slowly embracing the disenfranchised. Corgan calls it "the Great American Story." He hopes to do the same for the theatrical sport founded on piledrivers, chokeslams, and folding-chairs-to-the-skull.
On Monday, the musician joined the Total Nonstop Action Wrestling promotion as Senior Producer. In the role, he'll create characters, thread plots, and reframe TNA's flagship program, Impact Wrestling, with a Learian eye. "Any culture, and I don't care how hairsplitting you want to get, but the mainstreaming [process] is going to deal with the bias," Corgan says over the phone, calling Esquire from a studio session. "Where it splits is where you find story. Not in race or gender, but where people are dealt with. In the workplace. If we can have a woman President. Or rock stars who aren't supposed to be in wrestling."
http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/interviews/a34677/billy-corgan-interview-professional-impact-wrestling-tna/
but i thought this was interesting/strange
Billy Corgan, founder of the alt-rock band Smashing Pumpkins, thinks professional wrestling could be more like All in the Family. Norman Lear's 1971-79 sitcom didn't reinvent the wheel, but gave it treads. Tucked inside jokes were serious issues, refracted by Archie Bunker, the laughable bigot. Lear checked America's privilege, his cartoonish crank slowly embracing the disenfranchised. Corgan calls it "the Great American Story." He hopes to do the same for the theatrical sport founded on piledrivers, chokeslams, and folding-chairs-to-the-skull.
On Monday, the musician joined the Total Nonstop Action Wrestling promotion as Senior Producer. In the role, he'll create characters, thread plots, and reframe TNA's flagship program, Impact Wrestling, with a Learian eye. "Any culture, and I don't care how hairsplitting you want to get, but the mainstreaming [process] is going to deal with the bias," Corgan says over the phone, calling Esquire from a studio session. "Where it splits is where you find story. Not in race or gender, but where people are dealt with. In the workplace. If we can have a woman President. Or rock stars who aren't supposed to be in wrestling."
http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/interviews/a34677/billy-corgan-interview-professional-impact-wrestling-tna/
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
OC Zed
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
Who are you to doubt El Dandy
http://youtu.be/rygKxk3Svg4
Just thought of this today. One of Brets funniest moments.
http://youtu.be/rygKxk3Svg4
Just thought of this today. One of Brets funniest moments.
OC Zed
Footballguy
God, why did they ever take R-Truth off the air?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mplM_FObLnA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6JvdygFNDA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLE9ruCwyog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpLtgHi9QqM
I can't stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mplM_FObLnA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6JvdygFNDA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLE9ruCwyog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpLtgHi9QqM
I can't stop
SlaX
Footballguy
I can't stop thinking of him as K-Kwik. He'll always be a low card comedy act to me.God, why did they ever take R-Truth off the air?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mplM_FObLnA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6JvdygFNDA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLE9ruCwyog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpLtgHi9QqM
I can't stop
GoFishTN
Footballguy
When did he beat Kerry clean, except in Japan? The other two had extenuating circumstances.True, but Flair did win a lot of matches cleanly. Hell, his title wins as a heel over Kerry, Garvin and Steamboat were all clean pinfalls.No, I think Rollins is being handled pretty much perfectly. The best heels cheat to win and retreat when confronted. My memory is fuzzy, but I don't recall Ric Flair getting over clean very often in title matches when he was working as a heel. The Honky Tonk man never had a clean win against a quality opponent during his IC title reign that I can recall.
Flair pulled more tights and had his feet on the bottom rope more than anyone back in the day. And it pissed you off to no end when he beat your favorite that way.
Heels don't win clean. That's why they're heels.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
When Flair won the belt back from Kerry, it was a clean pinfall.When did he beat Kerry clean, except in Japan? The other two had extenuating circumstances.True, but Flair did win a lot of matches cleanly. Hell, his title wins as a heel over Kerry, Garvin and Steamboat were all clean pinfalls.No, I think Rollins is being handled pretty much perfectly. The best heels cheat to win and retreat when confronted. My memory is fuzzy, but I don't recall Ric Flair getting over clean very often in title matches when he was working as a heel. The Honky Tonk man never had a clean win against a quality opponent during his IC title reign that I can recall.
Flair pulled more tights and had his feet on the bottom rope more than anyone back in the day. And it pissed you off to no end when he beat your favorite that way.
Heels don't win clean. That's why they're heels.
Heels do often win by cheating, but I was merely pointing out that Flair did in fact win a number of his world titles with clean pinfalls as a heel.
RBM
Footballguy
Rollins character is very boring right now. Can only take the chicken #### heel stuff so much. Plus in that role he can't even pull off a good match anymore. He's capable of so much more, especially the aerial stuff.
And I wouldn't mind his wins so much if it was him cheating to win. What I can't stand is the only way he wins is with outside interference from the 4 other tools with him.
Man they can #### up a 1 man parade.
And I wouldn't mind his wins so much if it was him cheating to win. What I can't stand is the only way he wins is with outside interference from the 4 other tools with him.
Man they can #### up a 1 man parade.
I completely agree.
Even letting him win the in Main Event of Raw would be nice. Reigns has pinned him like twice completely clean since he won the belt. It's just predictable and that's the last thing you want with your champ.
The current problem is the lack of Main Event performers. Who are they?
Cena
Lesnar
Reigns
Rollins
Orton
They need some fresh blood in there.
RBM
Footballguy
Of course not. You saying I shouldn't complain when I see them ruining another unique talent with bad booking?
I was actually hoping they would book Rollins more like Edge. More like a ##### than a #####.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
What than what?RBM said:
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
RBM
Footballguy
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