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Very good Raw

Ambrose-Rollins was a great match. They have really good chemistry.

Hitman bringing out Sami was incredible. And he delivered a damn good match with Cena.

New Day and Cesaro/Kidd were great in their matches/segments. This could be a classic tag team rivalry.

King Barrett and Sheamus make a great team. And Neville got a few moments to shine.

That crowd wanted Reigns to get RKOd bad, and they got their wish.

 
Can someone PM me when this gets watchable again? For now I'm letting my wife watch Dancing with the Stars instead.
Last night would have been a good one. Terrific show. Maybe you can find a re-run.

I see a Shield reunion approaching.
that was my first thought as well. Shield reunites to destroy Orton becoming the new "Corporate Shield".
You gotta think something is up. 1 heel - 3 faces. Granted everyone wants the belt so it won't be 3 on 1, but I can't see Rollins getting over without something sneaky.

 
Very good Raw

Ambrose-Rollins was a great match. They have really good chemistry.

Hitman bringing out Sami was incredible. And he delivered a damn good match with Cena.

New Day and Cesaro/Kidd were great in their matches/segments. This could be a classic tag team rivalry.

King Barrett and Sheamus make a great team. And Neville got a few moments to shine.

That crowd wanted Reigns to get RKOd bad, and they got their wish.
Very good is an understatement, that was the best Raw of 2015, and by a wide margin.

I agree with all of your points, and would add:

In the span of like 3 weeks, New Day has gone from boring, too extremely interesting. I missed most of the Rollins/Kane promo, because I was still laughing about them yelling, "We did it Kane, we told you we would" as Kane walked by.

Zayn was awesome, he's gonna be the next Daniel Bryan, just a matter of when. Didn't look out of place with Cena at all, and there was a massive cheer in my household when he kicked out of the AA, probably the biggest reaction anything on Raw has gotten in months. I also greatly enjoy the years long tradition of Heath Slater being knocked out by whomever is around.

I'm as into the Barrett/Neville feud, as I am bored with the Ziggler/Sheamus feud. One seems fresh and one seems tired already.

 
Based on recent live events and this week's Smackdown tapings, it appears they've realized their mistake and putting Rowan/Harper back together.

Did they ever botch that. Shouldnt have even broken up -- didn't even have a feud against each other after breakup. At least it appears they're going to correct things. I don't think they have the slightest clue how to use Harper. Guy has huge potential as a single guy. The guy isn't a spring chicken & have no idea why they're just wasting away the prime of his career while shoving way past their prime stale acts like Kane/Show
 
Excellent RAW. Finally got around to seeing it on Hulu (still loving the 90 min RAW).

Hopefully Sami Zayn isn't hurt for too long. Horrible way to get hurt, hyping up the crowd. Still put on an amazing match. Loving Cena even more than usual. We are going to miss him when he is gone.

 
Very good Raw

Ambrose-Rollins was a great match. They have really good chemistry.

Hitman bringing out Sami was incredible. And he delivered a damn good match with Cena.

New Day and Cesaro/Kidd were great in their matches/segments. This could be a classic tag team rivalry.

King Barrett and Sheamus make a great team. And Neville got a few moments to shine.

That crowd wanted Reigns to get RKOd bad, and they got their wish.
Very good is an understatement, that was the best Raw of 2015, and by a wide margin.

I agree with all of your points, and would add:

In the span of like 3 weeks, New Day has gone from boring, too extremely interesting. I missed most of the Rollins/Kane promo, because I was still laughing about them yelling, "We did it Kane, we told you we would" as Kane walked by.

Zayn was awesome, he's gonna be the next Daniel Bryan, just a matter of when. Didn't look out of place with Cena at all, and there was a massive cheer in my household when he kicked out of the AA, probably the biggest reaction anything on Raw has gotten in months. I also greatly enjoy the years long tradition of Heath Slater being knocked out by whomever is around.

I'm as into the Barrett/Neville feud, as I am bored with the Ziggler/Sheamus feud. One seems fresh and one seems tired already.
I love that the New Day are getting to actually WIN as the tag team champions. It makes that division seem more important when they're not being used as fodders for the main eventers. And the IC and US champs aren't used that way anymore either. Refreshing change of philosophy.

 
The E:60 documentary on NXT was freaking outstanding. In about 20 minutes, they made me care more about the man playing Adam Rose than WWE has at any point of his employment.

 
The E:60 documentary on NXT was freaking outstanding. In about 20 minutes, they made me care more about the man playing Adam Rose than WWE has at any point of his employment.
That's the final nail in kayfabe, but also the biggest opportunity the WWE has with the network. I mentioned the Reigns documentary - spending an hour with these guys and seeing their family puts them into a new context and makes them much easier to support. I really wouldn't mind a 15 minute profile segment as part of RAW each week.

 
JB Breakfast Club said:
Brady Marino said:
The E:60 documentary on NXT was freaking outstanding. In about 20 minutes, they made me care more about the man playing Adam Rose than WWE has at any point of his employment.
That's the final nail in kayfabe, but also the biggest opportunity the WWE has with the network. I mentioned the Reigns documentary - spending an hour with these guys and seeing their family puts them into a new context and makes them much easier to support. I really wouldn't mind a 15 minute profile segment as part of RAW each week.
Its the format change they need and a way to write out of the hole of the authority figure gimmick. Olympic style wrestler profiles. Thats what smackdown should be as an experiement to differeitate the brands. You can't have a house show crowd sitting through those olympic style featurettes but in the context of a taped program, if Smackdown was an hour of action and an hour of background it might get a lot more over. Just don't let it be "crappy raw"

 
JB Breakfast Club said:
Brady Marino said:
The E:60 documentary on NXT was freaking outstanding. In about 20 minutes, they made me care more about the man playing Adam Rose than WWE has at any point of his employment.
That's the final nail in kayfabe, but also the biggest opportunity the WWE has with the network. I mentioned the Reigns documentary - spending an hour with these guys and seeing their family puts them into a new context and makes them much easier to support. I really wouldn't mind a 15 minute profile segment as part of RAW each week.
I think that type of segment can be good.But what I think E:60 proved is that reality-based storylines can and often work. If Rose came out on Raw next week, showed clips of the documentary, and said something like "That is me. From now on, I'm going to be me. Because that is what my son would want me to be", he would get over in a big way. That kind of storytelling is what moves fans.

 
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JB Breakfast Club said:
Brady Marino said:
The E:60 documentary on NXT was freaking outstanding. In about 20 minutes, they made me care more about the man playing Adam Rose than WWE has at any point of his employment.
That's the final nail in kayfabe, but also the biggest opportunity the WWE has with the network. I mentioned the Reigns documentary - spending an hour with these guys and seeing their family puts them into a new context and makes them much easier to support. I really wouldn't mind a 15 minute profile segment as part of RAW each week.
Even a kayfabe profile would work. I'm thinking of the Mankind segment with Jim Ross that pretty much sealed him as a superstar.

 
Goes to show really doesnt matter how good these shows are anymore, people have already tuned out. Everything I've read is this was a good show (by normal RAW standards). Even saw article saying best Raw of year. You can only get away with 3 consecutive hours of piss poor programming for so long. You can go weeks/months w/o watching and not miss anything.

I'll always be of the opinion to make it 5 1 hour shows during the week (if you need 5 hours/and do away with distinction between Raw/Smackdown entirely). I don't think it matters anymore whether live/taped. They can make 2 of the 5 hours live. Throw NXT as one of the 5 hours on Wednesdays. Even if people know spoilers, they'll tune in if it's good enough. A taped show (and results given away) was a catalyst for shifting WCW/WWE ratings war. Most people don't have the attention span to sit through 3 consecutive hours of this crap.

 
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Just saw the E60 documentary. Agree with comment above, in 5-10 minutes they made me care about 'Adam Rose' more than his year (?) on the main roster.

 
JB Breakfast Club said:
Brady Marino said:
The E:60 documentary on NXT was freaking outstanding. In about 20 minutes, they made me care more about the man playing Adam Rose than WWE has at any point of his employment.
That's the final nail in kayfabe, but also the biggest opportunity the WWE has with the network. I mentioned the Reigns documentary - spending an hour with these guys and seeing their family puts them into a new context and makes them much easier to support. I really wouldn't mind a 15 minute profile segment as part of RAW each week.
I think that type of segment can be good.But what I think E:60 proved is that reality-based storylines can and often work. If Rose came out on Raw next week, showed clips of the documentary, and said something like "That is me. From now on, I'm going to be me. Because that is what my son would want me to be", he would get over in a big way. That kind of storytelling is what moves fans.
Vince wants rosebuds damnit!

 
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The Roman Reigns documentary on the network is really good.
Thought it was outstanding. Wish they did more of these centered around WM. The Bryan one from last year was great too. I'm becoming a Reigns fan, I have to admit. Three straight ppvs with a really good match.

 
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JB Breakfast Club said:
Brady Marino said:
The E:60 documentary on NXT was freaking outstanding. In about 20 minutes, they made me care more about the man playing Adam Rose than WWE has at any point of his employment.
That's the final nail in kayfabe, but also the biggest opportunity the WWE has with the network. I mentioned the Reigns documentary - spending an hour with these guys and seeing their family puts them into a new context and makes them much easier to support. I really wouldn't mind a 15 minute profile segment as part of RAW each week.
Even a kayfabe profile would work. I'm thinking of the Mankind segment with Jim Ross that pretty much sealed him as a superstar.
The Xavier Woods PhD angle could also work if they decide to split him off into singles pairing.

 
JB Breakfast Club said:
Brady Marino said:
The E:60 documentary on NXT was freaking outstanding. In about 20 minutes, they made me care more about the man playing Adam Rose than WWE has at any point of his employment.
That's the final nail in kayfabe, but also the biggest opportunity the WWE has with the network. I mentioned the Reigns documentary - spending an hour with these guys and seeing their family puts them into a new context and makes them much easier to support. I really wouldn't mind a 15 minute profile segment as part of RAW each week.
Even a kayfabe profile would work. I'm thinking of the Mankind segment with Jim Ross that pretty much sealed him as a superstar.
The Xavier Woods PhD angle could also work if they decide to split him off into singles pairing.
:excited:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G2wTAJiyqY

 
The one thing that drives up the wall with Neville is his insistence on the flipping tumbling routine as he's being sent into the opposite turnbuckle. It serves absolutely no purpose in the match other than to pretend he's a female gymnast doing a floor routine. I can live with all of the other flips and jumps as long as they are actually part of a move or defense. This has nothing to do with either.

 
Shane Douglas talks about this character on Part 2 of his interview on Austin's podcast. He said he liked the premise of the character, but Vince's insistence on making sound like the grating science teacher made it clear to Douglas that he made a big mistake in ever leaving ECW. I can't say I blame him.
The difference is Woods is actually going for his PhD while wrestling in the WWE and not schtick like Douglas.That's impressive.

 
Could Neville work as a heel? They kind of tried in NXT, but it didn't really stick.

I just love the idea of a Heel Faction of King Barrett (mouthpiece), Sheamus (brute powerhouse), Neville (flier, worker) and Paige (Chyna role). Call them "The Royals", "The Blue Bloods". Give William Regal some TV time as their manager. Could be a lot of fun.

 
Could Neville work as a heel? They kind of tried in NXT, but it didn't really stick.

I just love the idea of a Heel Faction of King Barrett (mouthpiece), Sheamus (brute powerhouse), Neville (flier, worker) and Paige (Chyna role). Call them "The Royals", "The Blue Bloods". Give William Regal some TV time as their manager. Could be a lot of fun.
It's a damn shame Lord Alfred Hayes is below ground
 
Could Neville work as a heel? They kind of tried in NXT, but it didn't really stick.

I just love the idea of a Heel Faction of King Barrett (mouthpiece), Sheamus (brute powerhouse), Neville (flier, worker) and Paige (Chyna role). Call them "The Royals", "The Blue Bloods". Give William Regal some TV time as their manager. Could be a lot of fun.
I'm with ya, with the exception of Paige. She's pretty much the only face in the women's division, and is grossly overqualified for a Chyna-esq role, that would be a gigantic waste of her ability.

I liked heel Neville on NXT, but I've always liked heels who aren't the cowardly types, but will take shortcuts when the chances present themselves. Jericho was always great at that role.

 
Could Neville work as a heel? They kind of tried in NXT, but it didn't really stick.

I just love the idea of a Heel Faction of King Barrett (mouthpiece), Sheamus (brute powerhouse), Neville (flier, worker) and Paige (Chyna role). Call them "The Royals", "The Blue Bloods". Give William Regal some TV time as their manager. Could be a lot of fun.
I'm with ya, with the exception of Paige. She's pretty much the only face in the women's division, and is grossly overqualified for a Chyna-esq role, that would be a gigantic waste of her ability.

I liked heel Neville on NXT, but I've always liked heels who aren't the cowardly types, but will take shortcuts when the chances present themselves. Jericho was always great at that role.
Chyna role is a bad title, I just pictured the whole faction coming to the ring and felt that she would look like Chyna ala DX days. Her working the outside during tag matches would be epic.

But you are right about her being the only face Diva right now. And honestly, with Bryan out, they need all the face Neville (and Zayn) they can get.

 
I saw this picture and it made me think: If you could own any one piece of wrestling memorabilia, what would you own?

I'd probaly go Vader helmet.
That helmet and Mankind's mask must be the most rancid items of wrestling memorabilia you could find.

Aside from a championship belt, I'd probably go for one of Ric Flair's or Macho Man's robes.

 

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