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OC Zed
Footballguy
JB Breakfast Club said:
There has been plenty to be critical of in the WWE in the last 12 months, but I don't see how Rollins is one of them. The guy has absolutely killed it in the past year in every way - ring work, mic work, character development, etc.
Everyone (me included) was #####ing about Reigns getting the main event at WM because he hadn't earned it at all. And when Rollins walked out as champion it suddenly dawned on me (and probably everyone else) that Rollins was actually the most deserving guy in the company to hold that belt and the one with the most long-term potential. Fans should be ape#### seeing a run like he's been on - and appreciate the fact that the WWE is giving him that shot.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Giving someone the belt doesn't mean as much if he is booked to always look weak.
OC Zed
Footballguy
He's a heel. Heel's cheat to win. It's a timeless rule in all of storytelling - not just pro wrestling (sports entertainment).
Granted, there is one caveat to this rule - the monster heel who dominates everyone in his path. Brock Lesnar is/was a classic example of this. But, again, that's the exception to the rule and Rollins could never pull that off. He's being booked exactly as he should be.
Do I think he could be booked with some clean finishes every once in a while? I might be open to that (but again as an exception to the rule)... but I'd also not like to hear fans #####ing in that case as to how it knocks down his main event face competitors for taking that clean fall against him.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I am not talking how he wins; I am talking how he looks. He could still be booked to look strong, but have to cheat to win. It's not as simple as strong and win clean or weak and cheat to win; lots of gray area.
It doesn't help that he basically looks like HHH's little ##### in the authority. They did the same thing with Orton when he was the champ in late 2013/early 2014, to where HHH was the tyrannical boss who made the current champ look like his servant. But hey, as usual, it makes HHH look great.
It doesn't help that he basically looks like HHH's little ##### in the authority. They did the same thing with Orton when he was the champ in late 2013/early 2014, to where HHH was the tyrannical boss who made the current champ look like his servant. But hey, as usual, it makes HHH look great.
OC Zed
Footballguy
This week's Cheap Heat podcast is infinitely better with Andrew Goldstein subbing for Peter Rosenberg. Goldstein actually talks about wrestling and adds some insight instead of the normal drivel from Rosenberg talking about himself and all of the hip hop stars he has on his cell phone contacts.
John Bender
Footballguy
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4MYtK6Kt2oI
Jim Cornetteand Lance Storm kicking the can on WWE booking. They brought up a great point - why has WWE seen fit to portray itself 1) as heels and 2) leave themselves open to wanting the fans' opinions to the extent it does.
Jim Cornetteand Lance Storm kicking the can on WWE booking. They brought up a great point - why has WWE seen fit to portray itself 1) as heels and 2) leave themselves open to wanting the fans' opinions to the extent it does.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Well it was a good run anyway for Sandow....
Mega Powers dead after a week. Doesn't get much worse than jobbing to Ascension.
Mega Powers dead after a week. Doesn't get much worse than jobbing to Ascension.
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
Ok guys here's the plan... 1. Spend 3 mos building Mizdow 2. Get bigger crowd pop than 90% of the roster 3. Immediately return him to a gimmicky jobber on the pre-show
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Man...Ziggler looked like Ric Flair after a Coal Miners Glove Match on a 1980s summer night at the Omni in Atlanta, Georgia.Another crimson mask in a Sheamus match. Too stiff?
Looked to be Zigglers fault though.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Good gimmick and they work well with Kidd/Cesaro. If the Wyatts are getting back together....we might see a resurgence in quality tag teams.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
Miz was the guy that was super over, and Mizdow was siphoning off his heat, imo. As Miz said on Sam Roberts show, it's up to fans to keep Sandow propped up now, and it isn't clicking.
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
Yea thats definitely true, but they could have had something more than they do
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
I quit match was cool but you could have seen that ending coming a mile away
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
Shield reunion tonight?
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
3 'PPVs' in a 4 week span. Can only imagine 'the build' to these matches. 
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
Is Chamber going to be for sale as a PPV? I thought it was a special kind of like King of the Ring. Seems unplanned because of the IC title situation.3 'PPVs' in a 4 week span. Can only imagine 'the build' to these matches.
Dr Oadi
Footballguy
For about a minute.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Lesnar almost has to come out, save Rollins from a beating in order to get his revenge against him.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
That was pretty cool though.....and that would have been very cool to see them go foreward with it.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
If Reigns can't get over with the smarks after his past few PPV matches....I don't know what'll get him over.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Yay HHH out to steal the spotlight. 
Great match with way too much interference.
Great match with way too much interference.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
They've announced 2 matches for it already. (IC title & Tag titles) Believe they cancelled a previously scheduled house show to do the event so would imagine it'll be 2-3 hour show.Is Chamber going to be for sale as a PPV? I thought it was a special kind of like King of the Ring. Seems unplanned because of the IC title situation.3 'PPVs' in a 4 week span. Can only imagine 'the build' to these matches.
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Dr Oadi
Footballguy
I believe I heard it said it was a wwe network exclusive.Eta http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2015-05-11/elimination-chambers-coming-to-wwe-networkThey've announced 2 matches for it already. (IC title & Tag titles) Believe they've pulled Cena, etc... from a previously scheduled house show so I'd imagine so.Is Chamber going to be for sale as a PPV? I thought it was a special kind of like King of the Ring. Seems unplanned because of the IC title situation.3 'PPVs' in a 4 week span. Can only imagine 'the build' to these matches.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Maybe so. Not sure. I don't have any clue about if sold on Directv etc... Dunno why anyone would pay that kind of money for 1 event.I believe I heard it said it was a wwe network exclusive.They've announced 2 matches for it already. (IC title & Tag titles) Believe they've pulled Cena, etc... from a previously scheduled house show so I'd imagine so.Is Chamber going to be for sale as a PPV? I thought it was a special kind of like King of the Ring. Seems unplanned because of the IC title situation.3 'PPVs' in a 4 week span. Can only imagine 'the build' to these matches.
SlaX
Footballguy
I don't think they cancelled the house show. They just turned the house show into the special event.They've announced 2 matches for it already. (IC title & Tag titles) Believe they cancelled a previously scheduled house show to do the event so would imagine it'll be 2-3 hour show.Is Chamber going to be for sale as a PPV? I thought it was a special kind of like King of the Ring. Seems unplanned because of the IC title situation.3 'PPVs' in a 4 week span. Can only imagine 'the build' to these matches.
I think the idea of showing house shows as network exclusive events is a great idea. But I don't think they need to make them all gimmicky like an Elimination Chamber. Sure, I'd love to see them do something that normally wouldn't be put on PPV be in one of these (like a Crockett Cup Tag Team tournament), but just showing a house show on the network, even with limited production value, would be a fresh addition.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
They may have had 2 house shows scheduled for that Sunday. (one was cancelled & rescheduled later in year in SC) WWE website states Elimination will be exclusive on WWE Network. http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2015-05-11/elimination-chambers-coming-to-wwe-network But is being reported otherwise elsewhere (also on PPV)
http://www.inquisitr.com/2086711/wwe-news-wwe-elimination-chamber-special-to-be-carried-on-pay-per-view/
http://www.inquisitr.com/2086711/wwe-news-wwe-elimination-chamber-special-to-be-carried-on-pay-per-view/
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Interesting is them offering this last minute show on the final day of the month (May is free). Don't think it's any coincidence.
OC Zed
Footballguy
Tonight was the best PPV/"special event" that I can recall since the Network's launch... not a lame match on the entire card (at least if you're not including the goofball Mega Powers debacle on the pre-show). Great show all around tonight. The booking didn't give any surprises, but it didn't need to as all the performances were great and carried on the on-going storylines.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
But imitating a dead guy who was already much better imitated by black machismo.
It's on sandow to stand up for himself though. He shouid never have accepted this crap
I'm glad you liked it so much. I personally thought the tag title match was great and the world title match was great, and everything else was mediocre or worse. Not the worst PPV by any means, but well behind each of the last 2 Wrestlemanias, and at least 7-8 other shows too.
I think i may be in the minority, but i thought Cena/Rusev REALLY sucked. A boring match, with a dumb, highly predictable ending. I quit matches are always bad, i don't know why people like them, its basically like a normal no-DQ match, only it pauses every minute or two so a mic can be shoved in someone's face. The feud is still likely going on since it ended on a technicality. Just awful. Other than maybe the Kane match, every single one of Cena's open challenges was better than this match.
I was expecting a lot more from Barrett/Neville, thought that could have stole the show, but it was almost like they ran out of time or something, and just rushed through it.
Ziggler/Sheamus is an awful feud, made especially awful by the commentary not shutting up about butt kissing for 3 seconds. If there was a way to turn commentary off, but leave sound on, I'd have certainly used it during that match.
Wyatt/Ryback was ok for what it was, I'd like it if it mattered though. maybe have Ryback join Wyatt as a new follower to tear up midcarders or something, otherwise this feud kinda seems beneath Wyatt.
Loved the tag title match, New Day is on fire right now, and Cesaro and Kidd are perfect opponents. I wish that match had gone on twice as long. Best feud in the company(not counting Owens/Zayn) right now.
World title match was fun, the brief Shield reunion was easy to see coming, but still was awesome, especially Rollins reaction to it. If the curbstomp is retired(which sucks because it was the best finisher in the company) I'm totally on board with Rollins doing the pedigree from now on. Only complaint is how much Kane is involved in the whole thing.
As somebody whose opinions usually seem to run close to what the "smark" opinion seems to be, I think the issue comes down to the fact that they annointed him before he was truly over, and then shoved him down people's throats. Its not that he is bad, he's just not liked as much as the people he is facing/defeating. Like tonight, he was probably the least popular guy in the match. Wrestling purists love Rollins, casual fans like Orton, and the average crowd prefers Ambrose.
mr fancypants
Footballguy
Is it just me but Wyatt vs. Lesner could be the match of the year?
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
First thing I thought of when Sandow started this. It's already been done -- and much better by Lethal. I don't really find it disrespectful as I know Lanny Poffo is a big fan of Sandow (and I'm sure they ran it by him first -- even though he doesn't watch)
I really don't get why they put the "MegaPowers" thing together -- only to have them job to 2 of the biggest running jokes in the company in Ascension. Guess we get the "MegaPowers Explode" thing on Raw tomorrow. Maybe then it'll all be over with.
Sad Sandow is already back to what he was doing before the Miz. Miz may never be a main eventer again but there's no denying he knows how to get someone else over. The guys he's been aligned with (i.e Sandow/Riley) just havent been able to stay over.
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Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
Rosenberg doesn't even know that much about wrestling. He missed all of the Attitude Era in WWF and wasn't watching WCW during that boom period either. Before then he exclusively watched WWF and none of the other territories. He knows nothing about Japan, Mexico, or any international wresting. He doesn't have a wide array of maneuver or industry knowledge.
Really, he knows almost next to nothing about wrestling, but he acts like he's an authority.
Bogart
Footballguy
I fully expected Cheap Heat to be changed or done with the coming implosion of Grantland. Will try and follow Shoemaker where ever he ends up. Might end up being a spot where Straight Shoot could do their Week In Review podcast and do it better.
RBM
Footballguy
Jeremy
Footballguy
I thought it was a really good show last night. We have to remember that not all PPVs are created equal. Title changes, Shield reunions, and major plot twists are usually going to be saved for the big ones. This one didn't disturb the status quo much, but I think that's ok, especially when we have a run of several PPVs in a short period of time.
Really enjoyed the Cena/Rusev match. Maybe not a technical masterpiece, but was great storytelling. I haven't seen many "I quit" matches as they tend to be on PPVs which I couldn't afford until the WWE Network came along. So to me that was compelling. Both men did a great job of selling.
Love the New Day and I loved the ending. Thought the main event was a lot of fun. Barrett and Neville wasn't quite as good as I had hoped. I wonder if Neville hurt his knee for real and they cut it short. Just didn't care at all about Wyatt vs Ryback.
Overall a very good show for a "B" PPV.
Really enjoyed the Cena/Rusev match. Maybe not a technical masterpiece, but was great storytelling. I haven't seen many "I quit" matches as they tend to be on PPVs which I couldn't afford until the WWE Network came along. So to me that was compelling. Both men did a great job of selling.
Love the New Day and I loved the ending. Thought the main event was a lot of fun. Barrett and Neville wasn't quite as good as I had hoped. I wonder if Neville hurt his knee for real and they cut it short. Just didn't care at all about Wyatt vs Ryback.
Overall a very good show for a "B" PPV.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
What is his supposed base of knowledge? Was he part of the hulkamnaia era? I listen to a million podcasts but that one never caught my ear. But now I'm just mad reading what you wrote lol
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Sandow just needs mic time as Damien sandow.
But it is ironic that the first gimmick was basically a reheated "genius" gimmick and now he's doing the other brother.
A guy who impersonated obscure wrestlers would at least be fresh.
Let sandow do Freddie Joe Floyd or kama the supreme fighting machine
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