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KO and Cena both killed it with their promos.
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Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Yeah, was wondering why he wasn't in the ring. There was a brief second in the background where you could see a couple of guys lifting what appeared to be a stretcher.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
I'll may have to flip between that and Lucha Underground this week.If you have the opportunity, watch ROH TV this week to see a few of the top stars from NJPW.
Shinsuke Nakamura vs Roderick Strong.
Michael Elgin vs Gedo
Kazuchika Okada and Roppongi Vice (Rocky Romero and Barreta) vs Bullet Club - AJ Styles and The Young Bucks.
RBM
Footballguy
Maybe I have a higher opinion of them than most, but I think The Shield is the best thing WWE has done in the last 10 years. They were already the best heel stable of the last decade.I am with YOU on most of this.
Also, Rollin's promo from the following night's RAW was the best heel promo (non-Heyman) of the last 5 years. He's really doing a nice job of solidifying his spot on top.
I think if the Shield reunites later this year, it could be the best heel stable since the original NWO.
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
The latest Flair podcast (Wooo! Nation) has Terry Funk as a guest. If you loved that era, you'll love this podcast. They had me laughing, but it could be the liquor. 
Keith R
The Don
Here are the ages of everyone on the WWE main roster, FYI.
Kane: 48
Mark Henry: 44
Big Show: 43
R-Truth: 43
John Cena: 38
Titus O'Neil: 38
Brock Lesnar: 37
Sheamus: 37
Adam Rose: 35
Curtis Axel: 35
Darren Young: 35
Konnor: 35
Luke Harper: 35
Randy Orton: 35
Cesaro: 34
Daniel Bryan: 34
Dolph Ziggler: 34
Miz: 34
Wade Barrett: 34
Tyson Kidd: 34
Viktor: 34
Erick Rowan: 33
Fandango: 33
Jack Swagger: 33
Kofi Kingston: 33
Ryback: 33
Damien Sandow: 32
Heath Slater: 31
Kevin Owens: 31
Roman Reigns: 30
Zack Ryder: 30
Big E: 29
Cody Rhodes: 29
Dean Ambrose: 29
Jimmy Uso: 29
Jay Uso: 29
Rusev: 29
Seth Rollins: 29
Bray Wyatt: 28
Neville: 28
Xavier Woods: 28
Bo Dallas: 25
The part-time guys:
Sting: 56
Undertaker: 50
Triple H: 45
Chris Jericho: 44
Rock: 43
And the ladies:
Layla: 38
Tamina: 37
Rosa Mendes: 35
Natayla: 33
Brie Bella: 31
Nikki Bella: 31
Summer Rae: 31
Eva Marie: 30
Lana: 30
Alicia Fox: 28
Cameron: 27
Naomi: 27
Emma: 26
Paige: 22
Kane: 48
Mark Henry: 44
Big Show: 43
R-Truth: 43
John Cena: 38
Titus O'Neil: 38
Brock Lesnar: 37
Sheamus: 37
Adam Rose: 35
Curtis Axel: 35
Darren Young: 35
Konnor: 35
Luke Harper: 35
Randy Orton: 35
Cesaro: 34
Daniel Bryan: 34
Dolph Ziggler: 34
Miz: 34
Wade Barrett: 34
Tyson Kidd: 34
Viktor: 34
Erick Rowan: 33
Fandango: 33
Jack Swagger: 33
Kofi Kingston: 33
Ryback: 33
Damien Sandow: 32
Heath Slater: 31
Kevin Owens: 31
Roman Reigns: 30
Zack Ryder: 30
Big E: 29
Cody Rhodes: 29
Dean Ambrose: 29
Jimmy Uso: 29
Jay Uso: 29
Rusev: 29
Seth Rollins: 29
Bray Wyatt: 28
Neville: 28
Xavier Woods: 28
Bo Dallas: 25
The part-time guys:
Sting: 56
Undertaker: 50
Triple H: 45
Chris Jericho: 44
Rock: 43
And the ladies:
Layla: 38
Tamina: 37
Rosa Mendes: 35
Natayla: 33
Brie Bella: 31
Nikki Bella: 31
Summer Rae: 31
Eva Marie: 30
Lana: 30
Alicia Fox: 28
Cameron: 27
Naomi: 27
Emma: 26
Paige: 22
Jeremy
Footballguy
Cena consistently has great matches, but many people will continue to credit only his opponents.
A lot of those wrestlers you listed are older than I thought. Seems like late 20s, early 30s is when most of them finally make it to the WWE.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
For as long as they've been around, surprised Cody Rhodes and Zack Ryder are 30 or under. Both have had to been on roster 8 or 9 years at this point.
Also surprised at the amount of WWE divas over 30. Usually they've left WWE or WWE has discarded them after 30. I'm sure that's bound to change here soon with NXT girls coming up.
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
I think Bo Dallas is pretty darned entertaining. Hopefully, they're just letting him "season" a little bit instead of burying him.
RBM
Footballguy
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Reminds me a lot of Angle/Jericho toned down Attitude Era comedic stuff. I think he's the best overall talent to come out of NXT. Saying a lot given who's come out of there.They were pushing him quite a bit and then stopped the push (and undefeated streak) by having him lose to 40-something R-Truth. I don't have high hopes WWE will re-push him. Even with Bray and family link,wouldn't be surprised if he were off the roster in a year or two. Sad
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Peak
Footballguy
One of them injured his shoulder and is sidelined for awhile. In the meantime, the creative team can't figure out what to do with the other one, so he will be joining commentary on Smackdown for the foreseeable future.
Keith R
The Don
One is hurt. Guess they would rather keep the other off TV than in singles' action in the interim.
Edit - what Peak said.
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JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
Current WWE injured list (working from memory)
One of the Usos (shoulder - out another six months or so)
Tyson Kidd (neck - out a year)
Erick Rowan (bicep - out six months)
Rusev (broken foot - still on TV)
Jamie Noble (broken ribs - still on TV)
Daniel Bryan - probably retired
ETA: Daniel Bryan since he is still part of the roster thanks to Tough Enough
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
Total package. Don't see how ya dislike Orton if you're a pro wrestling fan.
Jeremy
Footballguy
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
He works soooooo slooooooow. I feel like the WWE has passed him by. He's working a 90s/00s main event style while he is neither the 90s nor in the main event.
He's intolerable as a face...he can't cut a promo without swearing and he refuses to show any fire with his comebacks (it's all move...pose...move...pose). He's pretty much the only wrestler on RAW that makes me change the channel.
CBusAlex
Footballguy
It's probably not a good sign that they've basically given his shtick to New Day.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
The rare occasions he's been on TV this year, I've thought it's been his best work in years.I think he's been one of the most lifeless characters in the past 5 years.
Not sure how long he's been gone now, but haven't even noticed. If he retired tomorrow, oh well. He had a nice run in the early/mid/late 2000's. Since then,
IMOSmack Tripper
Footballguy
Doing a great job making Ziggler a heel and killing Lana right now. Ziggler is garbage IMO. Overselling nitwit. Horrible character. What is it exactly?
Jeremy
Footballguy
He's probably better as a heel, right? He doesn't get much crowd reaction at live shows. Good look and athleticism, but he's missing the "it" factor. He oversells like you said, and his acting is terrible. You can tell he's reading scripted lines. Not natural at all.
GoFishTN
Footballguy
He strikes me as someone that needs a Sheri Martel type to do the talking while fawning over him. Not sure if Lana's doing that, I haven't really watched since WM.
That was a very good match. Cena is like Orton for me, in that he tends to raise his game to his opponents level. The open challenge has featured Cesaro, Zayn and Neville and in my opinion those are 3 of the 5 best in-ring guys in the company. I'm more impressed when he drags a great match out of someone like Barrett who is more of a B- type.Cena consistently has great matches, but many people will continue to credit only his opponents.
I appreciate that Cena is busting out some new moves, although the springboard stunner and Canadian destroyer are garbage, at least he's trying new stuff, which is something I can't say about guys like Orton or Sheamus.
Ziggler is clearly just cashing a check at this point, its unfortunate, because there was a stretch from 2011-2013 where he was probably one of the 5 best all around guys in the company, but he seems really unmotivated right now.
Orton is possibly the biggest hit/miss wrestler I have ever seen. When he is motivated he is almost as good as anyone, when he isn't he's terrible, and he's seemingly terrible more often than good. He had a nice run in 2013 when he was the WWE champ, but really the second he stopped being part of the authority he got bad again.
Wow, best overall talent to come out of NXT? Ahead of Rollins even? That is a bold statement.
They were pushing him quite a bit and then stopped the push (and undefeated streak) by having him lose to 40-something R-Truth. I don't have high hopes WWE will re-push him. Even with Bray and family link,wouldn't be surprised if he were off the roster in a year or two. Sad
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Bo Dallas, I think he might be the funniest person on the roster, but his in-ring work is very mediocre and always has been. As that list above shows though, he's certainly young enough to vastly improve on that front.
RBM
Footballguy
Tight battle for the worst program right now. Ziggler/Lana or Ryback/Big Show. Both are as bad as it gets. With all the good workers it just amazes me that this is what they decided to do with the IC strap.
I just can't wait for Balor-Owens Saturday.
ETA: Prime Time Players are pretty awful too.
I just can't wait for Balor-Owens Saturday.
ETA: Prime Time Players are pretty awful too.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
I've always looked at talents from a money making standpoint. There's no debating wrestling wise that Rollins is better than Bo Dallas (and most, if not all, the WWE roster). I think Bo's a main event talent myself. A guy they could have made a lot of money on. I don't feel that way with Rollins. Rollins is champ but he's not making them the money right now. If WWE were in town, people aren't paying money to see Seth Rollins. They're paying their money to see John Cena or Brock Lesnar. The sad truth about the wrestling business/WWE right now. They have 2 guys that wrestling fans will pay to watch nowadays.travdogg said:Wow, best overall talent to come out of NXT? Ahead of Rollins even? That is a bold statement.
They were pushing him quite a bit and then stopped the push (and undefeated streak) by having him lose to 40-something R-Truth. I don't have high hopes WWE will re-push him. Even with Bray and family link,wouldn't be surprised if he were off the roster in a year or two. Sad
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Bo Dallas, I think he might be the funniest person on the roster, but his in-ring work is very mediocre and always has been. As that list above shows though, he's certainly young enough to vastly improve on that front.
And no I don't think they will get things straightened out with Bo Dallas. They're already ####ed him enough. I disagree on the ring work. Enjoyed his NXT stuff a lot. Attitude Era was built on comedy and character development. Not 5 star matches. Even his 3 minute squash match vs. Torito was funny. It's hard to have great 5 minute matches (and if you go down the list of his WWE matches.....not many of them have gone over 5 minutes win or lose). They've most/all been squashes.
Going from NXT to WWE (and their completely different philosophies) is why I'll never be high on the likes of Neville/Zayn. They simply aren't going to be given the platform to regularly put on 10-15+ minute matches on TV and they have no characters and/or can't talk. Bo Dallas is one of the very very few from NXT that came up to WWE with a character.
I personally would put Kevin Owens ahead of Rollins too in terms of making WWE money in the future (getting fans to go out and spend their money to go watch WWE programming). This Rollins title reign has been terrible. No matter how long they keep the belt on him, it's completely sucked & one of the worst in memory. I've skipped over most all of his TV and PPV title defenses. We've seen the J&J Security/Kane interferences ad nauseam already. Seriously it's been going on for what 6 months now? The last full Seth Rollins match I've watched in full (or didn't completely just skip) was his 3 way vs. Lesnar/Cena at the Rumble.
On a side note, WWE overall is just so damn bad right now. Worst I can remember since the middle 90s. Of their 3 hour RAW, I watch in full the Cena US title challenge match.......and skim (or skip) everything else. Nothing else is worth watching.
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Jeremy
Footballguy
I like the PTP, but I agree with your other points.RBM said:
I'm ok with the Ryback/Big Show feud. When they're on, I can just change the channel or get up and do something else for a few minutes. At least they're only taking up one TV segment. If only they could get Sheamus in there instead of Miz we could get most of the boring guys done in one shot.
Jeremy
Footballguy
I completely disagree on Rollins. I think he's outstanding and is mostly being booked correctly.I've always looked at talents from a money making standpoint. There's no debating wrestling wise that Rollins is better than Bo Dallas (and most, if not all, the WWE roster). I think Bo's a main event talent myself. A guy they could have made a lot of money on. I don't feel that way with Rollins. Rollins is champ but he's not making them the money right now. If WWE were in town, people aren't paying money to see Seth Rollins. They're paying their money to see John Cena or Brock Lesnar. The sad truth about the wrestling business/WWE right now. They have 2 guys that wrestling fans will pay to watch nowadays.travdogg said:Wow, best overall talent to come out of NXT? Ahead of Rollins even? That is a bold statement.
They were pushing him quite a bit and then stopped the push (and undefeated streak) by having him lose to 40-something R-Truth. I don't have high hopes WWE will re-push him. Even with Bray and family link,wouldn't be surprised if he were off the roster in a year or two. Sad
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Bo Dallas, I think he might be the funniest person on the roster, but his in-ring work is very mediocre and always has been. As that list above shows though, he's certainly young enough to vastly improve on that front.
And no I don't think they will get things straightened out with Bo Dallas. They're already ####ed him enough. I disagree on the ring work. Enjoyed his NXT stuff a lot. Attitude Era was built on comedy and character development. Not 5 star matches. Even his 3 minute squash match vs. Torito was funny. It's hard to have great 5 minute matches (and if you go down the list of his WWE matches.....not many of them have gone over 5 minutes win or lose). They've most/all been squashes.
Going from NXT to WWE (and their completely different philosophies) is why I'll never be high on the likes of Neville/Zayn. They simply aren't going to be given the platform to regularly put on 10-15+ minute matches on TV and they have no characters and/or can't talk. Bo Dallas is one of the very very few from NXT that came up to WWE with a character.
I personally would put Kevin Owens ahead of Rollins too in terms of making WWE money in the future (getting fans to go out and spend their money to go watch WWE programming). This Rollins title reign has been terrible. No matter how long they keep the belt on him, it's completely sucked & one of the worst in memory. I've skipped over most all of his TV and PPV title defenses. We've seen the J&J Security/Kane interferences ad nauseam already. Seriously it's been going on for what 6 months now? The last full Seth Rollins match I've watched in full (or didn't completely just skip) was his 3 way vs. Lesnar/Cena at the Rumble.
On a side note, WWE overall is just so damn bad right now. Worst I can remember since the middle 90s. Of their 3 hour RAW, I watch in full the Cena US title challenge match.......and skim (or skip) everything else. Nothing else is worth watching.
Bo Dallas is very entertaining and funny, but I don't think that necessarily means he has to be a main event star competing for championships. Some guys are just excellent in that role and are probably best served staying there (Axle, Sandow, Santino, etc). Yeah, Chris Jericho went though a phase like that and later became a big star, but I'm not sure I'm seeing that with Bo Dallas. I could be wrong. The mid card comedy act is probably a more important role than we realize. It certainly keeps my attention more than the Big Show and Ryback types.
I agree that the overall product has been a bit stale lately. They were on a roll for a few weeks after WrestleMania, but there hasn't been much to get excited about lately aside from a few bright spots here and there. Maybe they're saving their best ideas for SummerSlam.
Agree completely. This is how Jericho made himself in WCW.I completely disagree on Rollins. I think he's outstanding and is mostly being booked correctly.I've always looked at talents from a money making standpoint. There's no debating wrestling wise that Rollins is better than Bo Dallas (and most, if not all, the WWE roster). I think Bo's a main event talent myself. A guy they could have made a lot of money on. I don't feel that way with Rollins. Rollins is champ but he's not making them the money right now. If WWE were in town, people aren't paying money to see Seth Rollins. They're paying their money to see John Cena or Brock Lesnar. The sad truth about the wrestling business/WWE right now. They have 2 guys that wrestling fans will pay to watch nowadays.travdogg said:Wow, best overall talent to come out of NXT? Ahead of Rollins even? That is a bold statement.
They were pushing him quite a bit and then stopped the push (and undefeated streak) by having him lose to 40-something R-Truth. I don't have high hopes WWE will re-push him. Even with Bray and family link,wouldn't be surprised if he were off the roster in a year or two. Sad
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Bo Dallas, I think he might be the funniest person on the roster, but his in-ring work is very mediocre and always has been. As that list above shows though, he's certainly young enough to vastly improve on that front.
And no I don't think they will get things straightened out with Bo Dallas. They're already ####ed him enough. I disagree on the ring work. Enjoyed his NXT stuff a lot. Attitude Era was built on comedy and character development. Not 5 star matches. Even his 3 minute squash match vs. Torito was funny. It's hard to have great 5 minute matches (and if you go down the list of his WWE matches.....not many of them have gone over 5 minutes win or lose). They've most/all been squashes.
Going from NXT to WWE (and their completely different philosophies) is why I'll never be high on the likes of Neville/Zayn. They simply aren't going to be given the platform to regularly put on 10-15+ minute matches on TV and they have no characters and/or can't talk. Bo Dallas is one of the very very few from NXT that came up to WWE with a character.
I personally would put Kevin Owens ahead of Rollins too in terms of making WWE money in the future (getting fans to go out and spend their money to go watch WWE programming). This Rollins title reign has been terrible. No matter how long they keep the belt on him, it's completely sucked & one of the worst in memory. I've skipped over most all of his TV and PPV title defenses. We've seen the J&J Security/Kane interferences ad nauseam already. Seriously it's been going on for what 6 months now? The last full Seth Rollins match I've watched in full (or didn't completely just skip) was his 3 way vs. Lesnar/Cena at the Rumble.
On a side note, WWE overall is just so damn bad right now. Worst I can remember since the middle 90s. Of their 3 hour RAW, I watch in full the Cena US title challenge match.......and skim (or skip) everything else. Nothing else is worth watching.
Bo Dallas is very entertaining and funny, but I don't think that necessarily means he has to be a main event star competing for championships. Some guys are just excellent in that role and are probably best served staying there (Axle, Sandow, Santino, etc). Yeah, Chris Jericho went though a phase like that and later became a big star, but I'm not sure I'm seeing that with Bo Dallas. I could be wrong. The mid card comedy act is probably a more important role than we realize. It certainly keeps my attention more than the Big Show and Ryback types.
I agree that the overall product has been a bit stale lately. They were on a roll for a few weeks after WrestleMania, but there hasn't been much to get excited about lately aside from a few bright spots here and there. Maybe they're saving their best ideas for SummerSlam.
I thought there was something with Sandow, but apparently not.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
A couple of things that, IMO, would help them:
1) Keep Lesnar the way he is. The guy is like King Kong. Have him only appear on occasion. What would help them though is if they gave him one RAW match every six months or so. Sell the exclusivity of the Network (and by extension the exclusivity of Lesnar) to the people by showing them what they're missing every so often. Even if they go back to those days where wrestling TV was back heavy and they waited until the very end for the best match and then went off the air when something happened (or run a RAW Runover style situation where you have to immediately turn to the Network to see what happened).
2) Owens has to anti-establishment. Period. He also needs to be burr under the saddle of the HHH. You'll only make him more "must watch" if he's that type of character.
3) Bring back The Shield and the Wyatt Family. I'd almost run an angle where Rollins loses the belt, comes to the acknowledgment that he was made a joke and realizes that Ambrose and Reigns were the only people ever truly there for him. Maybe you bring back the Wyatt's first and just be abusing Reigns for a few weeks, then have Rollins lose the belt, then have him run in for a save one week.....then with the two of them in the ring together, they make a plea for Ambrose...the crowd would go nuts.
4) Keep pumping the tag division. I don't mind PTP.....but The New Day worked as the heels of the Tag Division. They need to get the belts back on them and just have them run their schtick.
5) When I got back into wrestling, Ryback was buried with Curtis Axel. That seems a more logical place for him than the IC champ. Get the IC belt on someone who wows the crowd. But to be fair to him....he does seem to be pretty well liked by the crowd.
1) Keep Lesnar the way he is. The guy is like King Kong. Have him only appear on occasion. What would help them though is if they gave him one RAW match every six months or so. Sell the exclusivity of the Network (and by extension the exclusivity of Lesnar) to the people by showing them what they're missing every so often. Even if they go back to those days where wrestling TV was back heavy and they waited until the very end for the best match and then went off the air when something happened (or run a RAW Runover style situation where you have to immediately turn to the Network to see what happened).
2) Owens has to anti-establishment. Period. He also needs to be burr under the saddle of the HHH. You'll only make him more "must watch" if he's that type of character.
3) Bring back The Shield and the Wyatt Family. I'd almost run an angle where Rollins loses the belt, comes to the acknowledgment that he was made a joke and realizes that Ambrose and Reigns were the only people ever truly there for him. Maybe you bring back the Wyatt's first and just be abusing Reigns for a few weeks, then have Rollins lose the belt, then have him run in for a save one week.....then with the two of them in the ring together, they make a plea for Ambrose...the crowd would go nuts.
4) Keep pumping the tag division. I don't mind PTP.....but The New Day worked as the heels of the Tag Division. They need to get the belts back on them and just have them run their schtick.
5) When I got back into wrestling, Ryback was buried with Curtis Axel. That seems a more logical place for him than the IC champ. Get the IC belt on someone who wows the crowd. But to be fair to him....he does seem to be pretty well liked by the crowd.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
The concept of guys you'd "pay to see" has changed, though. The age of $50 monthly events is gone...replaced by the incredible value of the WWE Network.
Also, it's a family product right now. You might not want to pay $40 for a house show ticket up close, but your kids will...and that is also a great value. My kids love Ryback and Lucha Dragons and Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose and Big Show and New Day and Neville and Cena and Finn Balor and Hideo Itami.
Also, it's a family product right now. You might not want to pay $40 for a house show ticket up close, but your kids will...and that is also a great value. My kids love Ryback and Lucha Dragons and Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose and Big Show and New Day and Neville and Cena and Finn Balor and Hideo Itami.
It is sad how awful the show is right now, especially since I don't believe it would be hard at all to improve it. I truly believe if I were in charge of booking and writing for one month, that month would be 100 times better and ratings would double, and I don't think I'm a genius by any means. I'll never understand how they can only tell 3-4 stories at a time when there are at least 5 hours of programming to fill each week. There should be 10-15 stories happening at once at all times. You shouldn't be having the same matches every week for a 2 months ever, especially those times where guys have a match of 3 straight Raws and then again at a PPV, how does that make any sense? This awful 50-50 booking and storytelling that they seemingly think makes everyone look equal, just makes everyone look equally bad.I've always looked at talents from a money making standpoint. There's no debating wrestling wise that Rollins is better than Bo Dallas (and most, if not all, the WWE roster). I think Bo's a main event talent myself. A guy they could have made a lot of money on. I don't feel that way with Rollins. Rollins is champ but he's not making them the money right now. If WWE were in town, people aren't paying money to see Seth Rollins. They're paying their money to see John Cena or Brock Lesnar. The sad truth about the wrestling business/WWE right now. They have 2 guys that wrestling fans will pay to watch nowadays.travdogg said:Wow, best overall talent to come out of NXT? Ahead of Rollins even? That is a bold statement.
They were pushing him quite a bit and then stopped the push (and undefeated streak) by having him lose to 40-something R-Truth. I don't have high hopes WWE will re-push him. Even with Bray and family link,wouldn't be surprised if he were off the roster in a year or two. Sad
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Bo Dallas, I think he might be the funniest person on the roster, but his in-ring work is very mediocre and always has been. As that list above shows though, he's certainly young enough to vastly improve on that front.
And no I don't think they will get things straightened out with Bo Dallas. They're already ####ed him enough. I disagree on the ring work. Enjoyed his NXT stuff a lot. Attitude Era was built on comedy and character development. Not 5 star matches. Even his 3 minute squash match vs. Torito was funny. It's hard to have great 5 minute matches (and if you go down the list of his WWE matches.....not many of them have gone over 5 minutes win or lose). They've most/all been squashes.
Going from NXT to WWE (and their completely different philosophies) is why I'll never be high on the likes of Neville/Zayn. They simply aren't going to be given the platform to regularly put on 10-15+ minute matches on TV and they have no characters and/or can't talk. Bo Dallas is one of the very very few from NXT that came up to WWE with a character.
I personally would put Kevin Owens ahead of Rollins too in terms of making WWE money in the future (getting fans to go out and spend their money to go watch WWE programming). This Rollins title reign has been terrible. No matter how long they keep the belt on him, it's completely sucked & one of the worst in memory. I've skipped over most all of his TV and PPV title defenses. We've seen the J&J Security/Kane interferences ad nauseam already. Seriously it's been going on for what 6 months now? The last full Seth Rollins match I've watched in full (or didn't completely just skip) was his 3 way vs. Lesnar/Cena at the Rumble.
On a side note, WWE overall is just so damn bad right now. Worst I can remember since the middle 90s. Of their 3 hour RAW, I watch in full the Cena US title challenge match.......and skim (or skip) everything else. Nothing else is worth watching.
I think Rollins could be a gigantic money maker, but they've basically made him the weakest world champ in years. Watch that Rumble match again, it wasn't Cena or Lesnar who was the standout from that match, it was Rollins. How they failed to run with that is a complete mystery. The real money with him may be as a face. Bo Dallas would have been a perfect IC champ, his NXT champion run was awesome, and his character work was excellent, but the matches were always mediocre, even against guys like Zayn and Neville.
Its sad that the wrestlers themselves take some heat because Cena and Lesnar are the only big money makers. That is 100% the fault of the bookers. Also the commentary team is a major problem, especially Cole. Raw was a great example, he spent an entire match arguing with Kevin Owens and just crapping all over anything Owens said, how does that do anything for Owens/Cena? Cole should be scared to say anything negative to Owens and if he does he should end up just like MGK did. A big problem is the announce team is sort of our voice in the show, and they constantly say that things are stupid and pointless and that we shouldn't care about them, so we don't and then people wonder why. Its one of a hundred things that NXT does better.
I disagree that Zayn can't talk, his promos in the Neville and Owens feuds have been good. He fits into that Daniel Bryan likable normal guy, who happens to be an amazing wrestler role perfectly. He doesn't need to be a flashy talker, because he projects honesty, which was what Bryan did too.
Lastly, I think the attitude era was kind of a fluke. It was crash TV, that just couldn't work in 2015. They also took the worst lessons from it. Trying to mold everybody into being like Austin or the Rock, but neutering them all the while, which has made the faces just be unlikable jerks and the heels be cool and interesting, but gigantic cowards.
I think the money would be in having 5-star matches and great storytelling with 10-15 stories per month(not all of them need a PPV match, some can be resolved on Raw) they have the talent to do that, and it wouldn't be that hard to do. Again, all of these problems are easily fixable, but they won't be because they aren't viewed as problems.
ETA: I also dislike the " PG family entertainment" thing being used as a crutch to explain away bad storytelling, plenty of PG rated things have had excellent storytelling. It almost comes off like saying "kids are dumb and can only follow 2-3 things at once" which is frankly pretty insulting to kids and parents, let alone everyone else.
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Bogart
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Halfway through The Big Show on Jericho's podcast. Great storytelling, and makes Show very likable.
He gets his role in the business. "I have won 2 matches in 2 years, don't think I am burying anyone." "I flip between heel and face so much I wake up dizzy trying to remember who I am that day." He pull no punches (pun intended) on talking about, in his opinion, how the NWO ruined WCW. He talks about taking craps in Vince's personal bathroom and Vince gets him back by putting him in a month long program with Giant Khali.
Lots of great stories, rapid fire and I still have 40 mins to go.
He gets his role in the business. "I have won 2 matches in 2 years, don't think I am burying anyone." "I flip between heel and face so much I wake up dizzy trying to remember who I am that day." He pull no punches (pun intended) on talking about, in his opinion, how the NWO ruined WCW. He talks about taking craps in Vince's personal bathroom and Vince gets him back by putting him in a month long program with Giant Khali.
Lots of great stories, rapid fire and I still have 40 mins to go.
Gary Coal Man
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I liked when Show talked about him doing a backflip off the top rope and landing on his feet. I've seen him do a flying dropkick off the top rope before.
SlaX
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I don't think anyone has talked about the new season of Tough Enough yet, but I just want to say that this is the worst season they've ever put on so far. I don't like the live American Idol (audience votes) style. They spend nearly 30 minutes of the show time live and only have the rest of the show to key on the competition stuff that actually gets voted on. They've done less in 2 shows than even the first 30 minutes of the first episode of Tough Enough, Season 1 (which were only 30 minute episodes).
Seriously. This week, the only in-ring activity was learning to bump. Except they showed everyone take literally ONE regular bump. And then they moved to letting everyone take a bump from the top rope to an obviously extra padded ring. So they did that and that's all the in-ring stuff we see. It's a joke.
Seriously. This week, the only in-ring activity was learning to bump. Except they showed everyone take literally ONE regular bump. And then they moved to letting everyone take a bump from the top rope to an obviously extra padded ring. So they did that and that's all the in-ring stuff we see. It's a joke.
SlaX
Footballguy
You should have had your "Jim Cornette Guy" shirt on.I saw Dr. Tom Prichard at Walmart tonight. He ignored me.
mr fancypants
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